The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

Which PES 2012 version do you prefer?

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Shikashi said:
Just filled out the PES 2012 survey. Do we have any clues about who manages these surveys? I'm pretty sure I gave some very good ideas and feedback, but it feels worthless because it's bound to end up in some feedback pile that Konami won't read.

I did mention a lot of the issues we have discussed in this thread, like the passing and shooting system not working properly, with either too much support or none, since there's no happy medium between the two.
Or the AI cheating in high difficulties with the scripting madness.
I also mentioned an idea about licensing classic clubs and national squads and have a mode similar do NBA 2k12's "Greatest Mode", but I doubt Konami gives a shit. Would be cool to relive some classic Champions League moments though and they even have the license to boot.

Also adding animation variety between highly skilled and lower skilled players and having much more variety in mo-cap actors. Everybody moves the same way in PES 2012, it's a bit ridiculous. FIFA is kind of venturing in this idea with their player-specific animation for Ronaldo sprinting.

Also mentioned how the feints/skill moves don't work properly, it's impossible to attack defenses like Messi does in real life. The game doesn't let you go past 3/4 players in succession. If you do happen to do it it's either luck or exploiting the animation system. It doesn't look realistic by any stretch.

Oh, well. Good feedback down the gutter. It's obvious they're more focused on WENB for feedback.
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Pretty terrible feedback system. Everything is a yes or no, on a scale of 1-5 answer pretty much.

I'm at the bit where it asks

Q. Do you play online?
No

Then it won't let me continue without answering some questions about which modes i use online and how i feel about the experience of online :CONFUSE:

EDIT: I ended by telling them if they're really interested in getting decent feedback based on experience of users then they should check out this thread rather than using the pointless questions they provided in the survey.
 
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Northzzz said:
Pretty terrible feedback system. Everything is a yes or no, on a scale of 1-5 answer pretty much.

I'm at the bit where it asks

Q. Do you play online?
No

Then it won't let me continue without answering some questions about which modes i use online and how i feel about the experience of online :CONFUSE:

EDIT: I ended by telling them if they're really interested in getting decent feedback based on experience of users then they should check out this thread rather than using the pointless questions they provided in the survey.
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Which I probably should have done myself, in hindsight.
 
ftgpete said:
Never had a problem finding PES in a store (here in Australia) but no where to rent it like Blockbuster, hence why usually why I buy it straight when it comes out. Not anymore after PES 12 so I'll just have to hope next years is so good they have to store it to rent :D
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Don't get used to renting if you plan on getting the next Xbox, I just read that there are rumours going around that the Xbox 720 will have some kind of preventative measure inside that 'locks' out second hand games. One copy of a game for one console. Use it once and you'll never be able to use it again on anything other than that machine. Not sure what would happen if your Xbox breaks down but there you go. Looks like we might not be able to rent PES, or buy it second hand or sell it if the game is different from the demo etc.

If that happens than it might tip me over to PC gaming. I don't fancy buying PES in the future for an extortionate price, finding it to be different to the demo and having patches screw with gameplay every month with no oPtion to ever sell it on and recoup my money.
 
The same rumours were being spread about the PS3 before it came out, I remember. I wouldn't give such things much thought just yet.
 
Shikashi said:
Which I probably should have done myself, in hindsight.
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I told them to stop using feedback from fanboy forums and focus more on surveys like this one.

It is nice that whoever is responsible for this survey is finally attempting to fix the problem. I am still unconvinced because Konami thus far has proved to be a company who does not provide adequate support for its product.

It's always "we have alot of contents coming through DLC!"
What we really get is the obligated winter transfers which isn't even updated completely, some boots/uniform which should have been in the game in the first place, and a patch or two that barely address real issues.

They really should look at what many PC devs do to support the products. Patches and hot fixes are put out regularly based on user feedback, and many of them dramatically changes the game. Many games still get gameplay updates even after newer version of the game has been released. It was excusable back when there was no online infrastructure in place for such a thing, but they have everything they need to do this now in 2012.

PES2012 is clearly in dire need of gameplay fixes, and Konami is lucky to have a comparatively thriving community providing a mountain full of feedback to draw upon. Not many game franchises enjoy the number of dedicated sites and fans devoted to the game like PES. To not give their customers monthly patches or transparency about the game is a big big mistake with the game at the state it is. Many will be burned and many will not be back again for next year.
 
I thought I'd indulge in a little self torture last night and put on demo one for the first time since September just to see how it's different to my memories of the final product. Blimey. What a difference. It was so enjoyable. I played five or six straight matches as Santos and the pace, player movement, and AI seemed so much better. Players felt more individual and while the CPU was still really tough to play against they seemed more 'human', more error prone and were set out all over the pitch in a realistic way - which meant that they were not camped in their half and making for some great midfield play. The superhuman strength and relentless pressing was way toned down too but not to the detriment of difficulty. Demo one was amazing.

It half tempted me to find a copy again on the cheap but I must resist and remember that the final game was nothing like demo one. Such a shame.
 
LTFC said:
Don't get used to renting if you plan on getting the next Xbox, I just read that there are rumours going around that the Xbox 720 will have some kind of preventative measure inside that 'locks' out second hand games. One copy of a game for one console. Use it once and you'll never be able to use it again on anything other than that machine. Not sure what would happen if your Xbox breaks down but there you go. Looks like we might not be able to rent PES, or buy it second hand or sell it if the game is different from the demo etc.

If that happens than it might tip me over to PC gaming. I don't fancy buying PES in the future for an extortionate price, finding it to be different to the demo and having patches screw with gameplay every month with no oPtion to ever sell it on and recoup my money.
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Do you really believe this? I mean realistically, this won't ever happen, at least not in this half of the century. We already have first time use online axcess codes to give people incentive to buy brand new games and thats more than enough.
 
there was no whatsoever goalkeeping in demo 1 though...

it is a pain to stay without a footie game for a few months, i tried to fill the gap with some nba 2k but i think basketball videogames are almost as boring as tennis ones. I might try some NHL actually.

i'd say proper footie and rugby games are the best for videogaming...if we only had a half decent title...
 
proJ3CHT said:
Do you really believe this? I mean realistically, this won't ever happen, at least not in this half of the century. We already have first time use online axcess codes to give people incentive to buy brand new games and thats more than enough.
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It may not be pushed through in time for the Xbox 720 but there is a concerted industry push gathering momentum now to eliminate the pre owned market. I don't understand how it could feasibly work regarding using games on a new console if the old one broke down etc, but those are the rumours going round. The industry has identified the pre owned market as a source of lost income do yeah I think they'll do everything they can to regain control of every title sold. Like you say, EA have already started this with the activation codes for online gaming: I think that's gonna be the tip of the iceberg, though whether it gets pushed through is another matter entirely. Either way, this is where the industry would like things to head towards for sure.
 
Ektor70 said:
there was no whatsoever goalkeeping in demo 1 though...

it is a pain to stay without a footie game for a few months, i tried to fill the gap with some nba 2k but i think basketball videogames are almost as boring as tennis ones. I might try some NHL actually.

i'd say proper footie and rugby games are the best for videogaming...if we only had a half decent title...
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Yeah football's the only sport game I play. I agree that keepers were dodgy in demo one but the rest of the game to me felt superior to the finished version. I really don't know how they took a product and messed with it for the worse. It's even more odd going back to the demo having played the finished version for a couple of months before selling it in disappointment. How they sucked the fun out of it just to make the game harder is beyond me because it's not as if demo one was too easy anyways.
 
I'm a playsation man myself, can never get use to the Xbox controllers and I'm cheap skate and ain't paying five bucks a month for online service, even if it is better. And doing something like that could hurt their industry as if I didn't rent Fifa 12 then I wouldn't have bought it, I wouldn't of taken the risk of 60-80 bucks on a game which I didn't have high confidence of. But with DLC you can now see that the industry is all about the money now.


And I agree with you on the first demo, they mainly had to improve the goal keepers and maybe the invidual speed, plus more weight when it came to shooting and passing but apart from that it was good. Same with the PES 2011 demo, everybody raved about it and it was amazing and then for some weird reason they butchered it. For the pass two seasons, Konami have been the biggest trolls and for some weird reason, love giving us good demos and then f*cking them up
 
I dont recall seeing the wonky 'central' shooting in demo 1 either.
every year Konami pride theirselves in delivering a good demo then a day before release, someone twiddles the 'fuck it all up' knob and what we get is a dumbed down, inferior version.
PES11 - last minute stumble, catch up bug...
PES12 - wonky shooting, dumbed down AI .....
PES13 - ???
 
players individuality was pretty much close to nothing in demo 1. i remeber gattuso scoring a hat crick, he could dribble like messi, cross like backham and shoot like ronaldo.

I think pes 2011 was fantastic, then they really killed the gameplay with easy sliding tackles and some horrible central defending.
 
Well, I've just filled out the PES2012 survey and to be fair it's a decent questionnaire (apart from not being able to skip online mode questions which don't apply to me).

As well as the obligatory rating-down of animations, keepers and AI, I made a point that I think the game is still lacking content and options compared to PES5. The game lacks famous stadia that were in PES5, and it also lacks other options like snow matches and variable crowd attendance settings. Just little touches that help make the game. Adding new teams and stadia via DLC would be much better than boots and ball packs.

Also I said that the old-style master league (pre-PES3) was much better (more fun) than what we have now. I'd love a classic master league option.
 
Another frustrating session with this game tonight the CPU just seems to make up it's own rules as it goes along for it's own benefit.

For example the opposition CPU sent one of those long looping balls into my half so I positioned my DM to trap the ball and then pass it out of trouble. This is a move I've performed loads of times without any problems but for some reason instead of trapping the ball he headed it straight to the opposition forward who then went on to score. Result I lost the game and I'm out of the Coppa Italia.

It's maddening the way the CPU can seemingly change the controls to suit itself and cheat you out of a victory. Roll on PES 2013 so we can hopefully forget this nightmare of a game.
 
anyone else think the feedback is far too late? it takes a couple of years at least to make high quality HD video game.
 
After playing both demo's tonight i have came to the conclusion that both games are really shite and niether are worth buying back. Roll on Euro 2012.
 
I think the main problem is now the degree of scripting in any one/all of the games you play, in both titles.

When I used to play PES, in the 5/6 era I played knowing that there was scripting in there in given situations. I knew for example, that if you play an Inter Milan in a semi final of a cup for example than the game would be hard. ANY errors in defence for example would almost certainly be jumped upon by the CPU and they would score with relenting accuracy from this. BUT, I always had the feeling that the end result would be based, by and large, down to the skill factor. I remember playing a Euro semi v Chelsea and it was rip roarer, I won 2-1 after going a goal behind early on, and I vividly remember it being one of the tensest games of my PES life. The last fifteen minutes was on onslaught from hell BUT I just about had the technical know-how to shut out the game and win...what a game!

Roll on 2012 - and it's been like this for a few years, but when I play both FIFA and PES right at this moment I honestly don't know if the game was pre-determined, made up, scripted, not-scripted, whether my inputs have been reflected accurately on screen or whether the CPU is making a very, very good movie in which I am just the passenger?!?

Honestly, some game seem as though I could just put the controller down and win one-nil, whilst others I'm playing some of my best PES/FIFA football and I lose royally. Take the other night, and this is indicative of a lot of the problems here.

On the PS3 I play with Chimps stuff and he's very good at what he does. BUT he CANNOT change the game dynamics eg scripting, only the stats and try and alter how the team plays etc. I played four wonderful games back to back, and I thought this is what it's all about, perhaps this blend of tactics/gamespeeds etc etc has made the game work...alas, I played a fifth game v FULHAM who were like a steroided Barce. Now I'm not saying they aren't a bad team, but they beat me 6-2!?! LOL

This was after games that were 0-0, 1-0, 1-1, 2-1, etc.

They were simply unstoppable.

Four...YES FOUR, of Fulham's goals were those lobbed balls down the flank which your FB just cannot read, a whipped ball in where you're CB's move AWAY from the striker to leave an easy header. Each of their early goals was right after I had scored or equalised.

I even tried altering the defensive line, and then one of the balls just made me almost snap the disc, because I had put the defensive line so far back, it made the CPU play an impossible side through air ball, which stopped literally right in the corner kick circle lol, so that the ball could be whipped in and headed. There was one period of play, where the scripts went into overdrive and literally they played like a mesh of Barce/Brazil/Ajax.

It is SO frustrating when the game does play well for so long, and then the CPU just takes over. Then another game last night, where they scored another lobbed wing ball to head home in the third minute, and then I just could NOT break them down. I had lots of chances, their keeper played well, I hit the post, Gerrard missed improbable efforts etc etc.

So then I step back after winning another game easily 3-1 v Man City and wonder just what the fk am I doing with my time, and wondering whether or not the WHOLE thing is just one train that I'm a passenger on?!?

It's like that with FIFA also. Played three games against top teams, won quite easily. Then played some random, and the game goes skitz, lost 4-3 to Carlisle in the Cup where my defenders were pulled everywhere, every attack they looked like they were going to score, their forward was like Messi, only a better version, there were goals in the 45th minute, and the 90th etc etc.

Oh man, sometimes it's just all too much.

Seriously considering going back to PES6 peeps.

I don't know about you guys too, but I really couldn't give a shit about transfers anymore. I know years ago I would spent literally hours cherry picking the best buy for like 2 million quid, factoring in all the stats etc. I remember Wallner and then I signed this other guy who was atrocious but a monster in the air for aerial bombardment in the last ten minutes should I need it, but right now I really couldn't give a toss about the transfers.

Oh I don't know, perhaps I'm getting cynical. I have tried my best this year, I have spent hours and hours hours doing this and that to both games. I have a modded PC version which plays very well, but I love the comforts of my PS3. Chimps has done his best in slowing the game down but adding responsiveness, and I have spent hours fiddling with the sliders with FIFA to get a passable game.

BUT, I return to my original question?!?

I just get the feeling that I'm a passenger on a train with a pre-determined destination, and all I'm doing essentially is pressing a few buttons.

Why is it for example I almost always get knocked out of the Europa league in about ten started master league seasons?!? Why do WOLFSBURG always seem like Barce, and yet Man Utd get beaten easily??! These losing streaks/winning streaks are just suspicious too, it's as if they put the words in the game - you are on a losing streak just to emphasise the point that this is a period in the game where you're going to get f'ked over for a while regardless of your inputs.

What we have essentially on the PS3 is this -

FIFA - a more stable game in it's core fundamentals, but which ultimately is lifeless due to the terrible AI. Be prepared for 45/90 minutes goals, your defenders being pulled out of position, and lower league teams to play like Barce in cup games, and the dreaded momentum shifts.

PES - more random, more life, but more skitz. Some days the game plays like a dream, and then WHAM, the leveller, a game which renders you into a a frenzied serial killer state.

Time for a lay down....
 
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