The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

Which PES 2012 version do you prefer?

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Northzzz said:
They are of course an upgrade but really just a cosmetic one. The engine still feels the same wouldn't you agree?
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I think there is less on the rails feeling on 11 and 12. I played a few games of 2008 last night the game felt quite a bit on the rails and too assisted on all manual to me. To start Konami has to go more manual like EA feels. Even on 0 assist it feels a bit too assisted to me. I know it is no solution but since the current gen machines can't program enough info to really play sim like at least make the game fun to play. EA achieves this PES at least for me does not.
 
pes 2010 was a bit pes5ish, pes 2012 to me feels very pes6ish (the game i liked the least), pes 2011 felt like something different from the usual konami stuff, the demo was brilliant actually. Then they spoiled the final release with the supereasy and ultraeffective sliding tackle.

if pes 2011 had pes 2012 sliding tackle (which by the way is the old pes3 sliding tackle) if would be a much better game.

Basically konami has 3-4 different takes on things like passing, crossing, shooting, penalties and they mix them together differently every year. BUt u can trace back those tweaks in the ps1-ps2 era.

Even the card system is basically a visual upgrade to the old special abilities setting.
 
Ektor70 said:
pes 2010 was a bit pes5ish, pes 2012 to me feels very pes6ish (the game i liked the least), pes 2011 felt like something different from the usual konami stuff, the demo was brilliant actually. Then they spoiled the final release with the supereasy and ultraeffective sliding tackle.

if pes 2011 had pes 2012 sliding tackle (which by the way is the old pes3 sliding tackle) if would be a much better game.

Basically konami has 3-4 different takes on things like passing, crossing, shooting, penalties and they mix them together differently every year. BUt u can trace back those tweaks in the ps1-ps2 era.

Even the card system is basically a visual upgrade to the old special abilities setting.
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Agreed

I also like PES 2012's defending a lot more too. It was the one area of 2011 which i felt spoiled the whole game. I'm including switching too in that. It was just so random half the time. I never felt in control or confident in defending. PES 2012's is just more responsive without being overly easy.
 
Jamezinho said:
To be honest Alan, I've been playing the NBA2K games since 2K7, the same year the first next-gen PES was released (PES6 on the 360), and it's a major factor towards why I've been so disappointed with PES since then. Even 2K7 was light years ahead of what PES (and Fifa) were doing at the time. Graphics, animations, individuality, audio, commentary, presentation, modes.....the game has always had the lot and it just gets better and more refined each year.

The NBA2K series has helped me through a tough generation of football games, providing that old-school PES feeling but in a basketball game, something you alluded to in your recent article. I know others feel the same way due to neither football game offering what they are looking for.

I don't know if NBA2K12 is your first serious foray into the franchise (and I guess it is due to how much you've talked about it of late) but better late than never. It's a real eye-opener, and has made me less readily accept what Konami and EA serve up each year.
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I played the 1st nba2k game on dreamcast 1999 i think. Even then it was miles above any other sports game out there. SO far ahead of its time.

In fact the original is not much different from the present IMO in gameplay just graphics etc...though even back in 1999 the gfx, animations and presentaion and commentators were miles ahead of the rest.
 
lancers said:
There is just so much more to do in a footie game. Basketball is end to end to end all the time. Quite boring for me. Aside from that the players are in such a confined space. All done to personal taste in the end but I much prefer the pitcher batter confrontation in a baseball video game to anything but AF. But even baseball gets boring fairly quickly for me.

As far as PES and all this new engine talk goes after popping in 2008 and playing 2011 after that I have come to the realization that 2011 IS the new engine for this gen. Not holding my breath that Konami even comes out of this thing alive. I hope 2K brings out a footie game.

FWIW I can't even watch an American Football game anymore. I love baseball on TV. Golf too but so far as video games go nothing can compare to a game of soccer/footie.
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whats your thoughts on sports video games

For me in order of most playable/fun

Football
Golf
American Football
Baseball
NHL
Tennis
NBA

I say golf games can be dull but also so can golf, however the courses, atmosphere and stuff especially multiplayer is fun.

Madden I always liked. Cant really fault it maybe only reason it doesnt get much play is Im not a NFL fan really.
 
pes4lyfe said:
whats your thoughts on sports video games

For me in order of most playable/fun

Football
Golf
American Football
Baseball
NHL
Tennis
NBA

I say golf games can be dull but also so can golf, however the courses, atmosphere and stuff especially multiplayer is fun.

Madden I always liked. Cant really fault it maybe only reason it doesnt get much play is Im not a NFL fan really.
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I find Tennis games online are extreme fun (topspin 4 aside) up there with PES back in the day when it was good!
 
lancers said:
They can get the game to look as purty as EA with the current engine? Cause as far as I am concerned in 2012 the game needs to look nice. This isn't 1985 and I didn't pay for an Atari.
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The really odd thing is graphics wise PES 2010 looked great and was up there with Fifa 2012.
 
Flaw3d Genuis said:
The really odd thing is graphics wise PES 2010 looked great and was up there with Fifa 2012.
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I think that's stretching it to say the least, given how many different areas usually fall in the graphics category. The lighting and depth of colour was richer than the newer titles, sure. But the actual colours, of the pitch or of the filters used for different lighting conditions, weren't particularly authentic.

The pitch textures were quite nice. But I don't remember any other aspect of the graphics being that special.
 
romagnoli said:
I think that's stretching it to say the least, given how many different areas usually fall in the graphics category. The lighting and depth of colour was richer than the newer titles, sure. But the actual colours, of the pitch or of the filters used for different lighting conditions, weren't particularly authentic.

The pitch textures were quite nice. But I don't remember any other aspect of the graphics being that special.
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The night lighting was brilliant compared to PES 2012, the stadiums were not bathed in darkness during the day and the dusk matches did not look like fallout 3.

It is easily the best looking PES title to date.
 
I remember the dusk matches looking like Fallout 3, actually. With that silly brown-grey filter that made the corners of the screen darker. When I look at videos of 2010 now, other than the appallingly rigid nature of the gameplay itself, the thing I'm most keenly aware of is how hyper-real the grass looks. It looks very nice; just not real.

I don't disagree that it's the best looking PES in still shots. But who wants to be the tallest dwarf?
 
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romagnoli said:
I remember the dusk matches looking like Fallout 3, actually. With that silly brown-grey filter that made the corners of the screen darker. When I look at videos of 2010 now, other than the appallingly rigid nature of the gameplay itself, the thing I'm most keenly aware of is how hyper-real the grass looks. It looks very nice; just not real.

I don't disagree that it's the best looking PES in still shots. But who wants to be the tallest dwarf?
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Im not talking about still shots, it looks better than PES 2012 period (360 version of course, PS3 again was lacking in the graphics department much like every PES this gen)

No idea about your dwarf question.
 
Flaw3d Genuis said:
Im not talking about still shots, it looks better than PES 2012 period (360 version of course, PS3 again was lacking in the graphics department much like every PES this gen)

No idea about your dwarf question.
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So you mean, in motion, PES 2010 stands up visually to FIFA 12?

Thanks, that's made my day.
 
The 4 diagonal shadows during night matches are pretty silly too. In reality they are not so dark. because light filters through from the whole stadium, not just the corners.

Rather small point i confess.
 
romagnoli said:
So you mean, in motion, PES 2010 stands up visually to FIFA 12?

Thanks, that's made my day.
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Bit of a smart arse eh? Considering we had moved on to comparing PES 2010 with PES 2012.

So back we go, Graphics wise PES 2012 v Fifa 12 PES stands up, no one mentioned animations which of course are as shit as ever and only a couple of people on the net i know of would argue otherwise.

Hope that makes your day too.
 
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Flaw3d Genuis said:
Graphics wise, no one mentioned animations which of course are as shit as ever.

Bit of a smart arse eh? Considering we had moved on to comparing PES 2010 with PES 2012.
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You'd moved on to comparing PES 2010 to 2012. I hadn't. If you'd understood the dwarf question you'd have been able to keep up.

If you don't consider animations part of the umbrella term 'graphics' (and people usually do) then PES 2010 might have a case to answer. The colours themselves are still wrong, of course.

Besides which, PES 2010 looks godawful in motion. I'd far sooner watch a game of PES 2011 than 2010, visually as much as for the content of the match itself.
 
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romagnoli said:
You'd moved on to comparing PES 2010 to 2012. I hadn't. If you'd understood the dwarf question you'd have been able to keep up.
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In all my years of living and using the internet you are the very first person to say "But who wants to be the tallest dwarf" having a quick google you are indeed the only person to write ever on the net....so maybe if you spoke properly instead of some pretentious bullshit you have made up yourself we'd get somewhere. ;)

As for watching a match of PES 2011 over PES 2010 i'd agree although lets face it they are both shite.
 
The problem with Fifa is, it looks good in widecam but up close it's atrocious. Kits are inaccurate, player models still look a little strange, players have this weird, fuzzy, candy floss hair, player faces continue to look dead behind the eyes.

I would say PES2010 looks better than FIFA12 all things considered. FIFA dominates when it comes to animations but being completely honest here, PES2010 is the football game I've found to be most pleasing on the eye this generation.

All my opinion of course. Graphics are very subjective.
 
Flaw3d Genuis said:
In all my years of living and using the internet you are the very first person to say "But who wants to be the tallest dwarf" having a quick google you are indeed the only person to write ever on the net....so maybe if you spoke properly instead of some pretentious bullshit you have made up yourself we'd get somewhere. ;)
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If you need me to dumb down or you struggle when faced with something new to you (or google, from the looks of it) then just ask and I'll see what I can do for you.

Personally I don't think it's particularly hard to understand why PES 2010 being the best looking PES (in still shots) is like being the world's tallest dwarf. But if you're still struggling with what that analogy means, here's a clue:

Being the tallest dwarf is like being the best looking PES title.

See? You can work backwards with analogies too.


Jamez - I agree that PES is the better series up close, but I do find the graphics in gameplay cam, and in motion, to be far more important because that's what you spend 90% of the time looking at, even if you watch most replays. I do see animations as part of the graphics package as much as the gameplay, personally, and in that respect I don't see PES 2010 as the best looking PES title in motion by a long way. Watching PES 2010 videos back earlier today was harrowing.

I agree with your point about kits. EA hired that Orlando guy that ran/runs FIFA Informer to work on that particular problem, in fact. I can understand why it'd be a logistical nightmare, but surely FIFA should be able to overcome such obstacles.
 
Why not just talk like a normal person? Instead of trying to speak like Noel Fielding lol, There is a reason why you are the only person to use that analogy and that's because it's shit.
 
It's pretty succinct actually. The tallest dwarf/midget in the circus. I didn't invent it - picked it up from a Guardian article IIRC and I've heard it used in conversation - but it does the job nicely, so I use it. Not very PC I'll grant you.

A self-proclaimed 'genuis' who promotes anti-intellectualism. You couldn't make it up. Flawed indeed.
 
romagnoli said:
It's pretty succinct actually. The tallest dwarf/midget in the circus. I didn't invent it - picked it up from a Guardian article IIRC and I've heard it used in conversation - but it does the job nicely, so I use it. Not very PC I'll grant you.

A self-proclaimed 'genuis' who promotes anti-intellectualism. You couldn't make it up. Flawed indeed.
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:YAWN:

Good for you for quoting the Guardian on a gaming website, well done.

Jamezinho said:
I would say PES2010 looks better than FIFA12 all things considered. FIFA dominates when it comes to animations but being completely honest here, PES2010 is the football game I've found to be most pleasing on the eye this generation.
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Yeah it's the only PES game you could say looks "nxt-gen"
 
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Jamezinho said:
I would say PES2010 looks better than FIFA12 all things considered.
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it's all about personal taste
for me i hate pes 2010 as much as i hate fifa as i remember that the only pes bug that i could never live with and could never tolerate and made the game completely unplayable for me was the slow responsiveness and input lag bug where u press the shot button then few hours later ur player may actually shot lol "apart from the worst running and turning animation found in a pes game that was in pes 2010"
 
Blimey curiosity got the better of me after reading some of the threads on PES and so I downloaded demo 2 of PES2012 despite already owning then selling the game and wow, just wow.

Had about 70% of the play, was winning 1-0, have a glorious chance to score late on, I push down on the stick to finish in the bottom corner, the shot flies wide of the other side of the goal. I look at my thumb as it's not yet moved after the shot and the stick in pointing directly downwards, yet the shot went up.

Then, and you couldnt make this up, in the 90th minute a Rangers player hits a deep cross in towards goal. Two defenders and two attackers all stretch out their legs and miss the ball by some distance, by this point in time the ball is pretty much dribbling along the ground and straight at my keeper. All he has to do is not move and he could trap the ball with his foot it's travelling so slowly. Instead he flaps his arms like a bird before diving out of the way of a ball trickling at him, and having taken no deflections. It dribbles into the goal
and doesn't even hit the net it was so weak. 1-1. I take the kick off, the final whistle blows.

I dominated the game, had a glorious chance to seal the win before being foiled by the game's shooting completely screwing up, then the AI conveniently freaks out and causes my keeper to drop a massive blunder with the very last kick of the game. I love how the CPU in this can even manage those inevitable 90th minute goals even when you dont allow it to shoot.

Demo 2 is promptly exited, then deleted.
 
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demo 2 was a pathetic marketing non sense with the autotriggered player run activated to give the feeling of fantastic AI. i'd say 1.3 final game is the best we get. 1.00 is spoiled by poor keepers.

so either 1.3 or nothing. i guess another year without a proper footie game won't kill anyone. i still hit pes 2011 on line now and then. off line pes 2011 is crap though.
 
Well I never got as far as patch 1.03, I tried the others but man the game is ugly and frustrating. There are moments of brilliance but it's marred by a lot of unrealistic bullshit too. I seem to recall my keeper's hand developing the ability for the ball to pass through it when it was the vital moment, or me making Ribery slide the ball into an empty net from a low cross - or at least that's what would have happened if the ball hadn't passed right through his foot and rolling out to safety.

What a buggy, glitchy mess.
 
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