The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

Which PES 2012 version do you prefer?

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pj_puttz said:
I understand what you're saying Northzzz but the shooting in Pro Evo has been the same for as long as I can remember. You always have to press directly up or down to find the corners.

Not that it matters in PES 2012 because that's exactly what I do and my shots still dont go where I tell them to.
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Was going to say up n down makes no difference the ball still goes to where ever the keeper is standing 95% of the time, i've even held up only for it to fly into the top corner of the other side of goal lol...lets face it shooting in PES is random.
 
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First of all I never said shooting has no wonkiness. But I do find the shots going in opposite or wrong directions happen sometimes, not EVERY time as a couple of people are suggesting.

Yep - the straight up and straight down on the stick is what works for me. I've learned it through trial and error and it's what worked last year for me.

Which I guess makes sense in a way given the way Konami set up their set piece shooting. I.e. power determines height and stick determines which post you aim for. You do not determine power and height with the left stick alone - which is what some people try with the diagonal aiming into bottom and top corners.

I might be wrong here but try it out in free training. Push the stick towards one post, then hit a weaker shot or controlled shot and it should go along the ground/bottom corner. The same direction on the stick with more power should go top corner. Anywhere in between with the power should go halfway up the post roughly.

The other thing I always do when my shots go where I want is to hold direction on the shot after the power bar is up on screen and until contact is made with the ball.

If they improve the shooting mechanics in PES 2013 then hopefully we'll have more control over shooting but who knows.
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
If they improve the shooting mechanics in PES 2013 then hopefully we'll have more control over shooting but who knows.
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That's what really annoys me about Konami mate, they HAD a working shooting system and they changed it for no good reason!

So to "evolve" the shooting in PES 2013 they are actually going to have to go backwards! Which I dont think they will do.

What they'll most likely do is start on a brand new shooting mechanic from scratch and hope that it works. If it doesn't it'll be too late to change it as they only have 12 months to work with so they'll have to just bung it in anyway and hope we dont notice. Which some people dont to be fair and I'm sure those people make Konami very happy indeed.
 
pj_puttz said:
That's what really annoys me about Konami mate, they HAD a working shooting system and they changed it for no good reason!

So to "evolve" the shooting in PES 2013 they are actually going to have to go backwards! Which I dont think they will do.

What they'll most likely do is start on a brand new shooting mechanic from scratch and hope that it works. If it doesn't it'll be too late to change it as they only have 12 months to work with so they'll have to just bung it in anyway and hope we dont notice. Which some people dont to be fair and I'm sure those people make Konami very happy indeed.
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It's a a sad state of affairs when we need to even bring up the subject of Konami needing to improve shooting mechanics just so that a shot will go in the right general direction. The shooting issue is something that I've never seen in a football game before so I'm still gobsmacked that it's present today. Even ISS on Super Nintendo didn't have that issue!

Oddly the Nintendo console and handheld versions of PES2012 don't have this issue so that makes it even stranger. Maybe it's a bug deriving from poor coding on better hardware?
 
LTFC said:
It's a a sad state of affairs when we need to even bring up the subject of Konami needing to improve shooting mechanics just so that a shot will go in the right general direction. The shooting issue is something that I've never seen in a football game before so I'm still gobsmacked that it's present today. Even ISS on Super Nintendo didn't have that issue!

Oddly the Nintendo console and handheld versions of PES2012 don't have this issue so that makes it even stranger. Maybe it's a bug deriving from poor coding on better hardware?
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Good point LTFC, I cant think of a single football game I've ever played where a shot goes left when I have pressed for it to go right! I know this doesn't happen ALL the time in PES 2012 but it shouldn't EVER happen and it definitely does. It's not just the direction thing with the shooting though, there are issues with the power of the shot being pretty random at times and the crappy animations which make you slide to toe poke a shot for no reason or do a diving header when a volley would be a much better option. Scoring a satisfying goal which you felt was all your own work feels almost impossible at times.

It's pretty strange that other versions of the game dont have the same problem but it's even stranger that Konami seemed to have it pretty much sussed in the last two versions of the game then changed it all for no reason when all it needed was a few tweaks really.
 
even in pes2010 the cpu still decided where your shot was going to go like? i agree with a lot of what has been said and pes 2012 still feels really automated and cpu decides 'you cant do this im controlling you this way' and it frustrates me. ive been playin these games since iss deluxe on super nintendo and the past few have been the worst of the bunch.

i am not going to listen to pr hype no more. jon murphy is full of shit and of course he will be. he is trying to help sell a product. adam and the wenb gang will be trying to do the same. with no pes or winning eleven there is no wenb and its followers.

ill wait till i have the full game in my hands, no more demos or bullshit about this build and that build and why is this shit its not in my special adam wenb'd build......
 
tbh, passing pissed me off way more than shooting, i tried all setting, from 0 to 4 in tons of games, it is just inconsistent. sometimes i pulled off some amusing 50 metres passing even if i was just aiming at the guy next to me and did not press too much. sometimes i press all the way and it gives a non sense 5 meters ball. Sometime i press very lighly and there is a 0.00005 cm ball that goes wasted. non sense.

I honestly feel that in pes 2011 and pes 2012 there is enought stuff that if put together wisely we could have a hell of a game. But right now we have a beta for 2013 that has not been refined or fixed in any way.

And somebody pliz tell me what happens to golies: i never had a complaint about golies in 2011, why would they changed that...dunno.

dear Seabass
take tactical, keepers, animations and visual from 2011. take cpu and off the ball moves from pes 2012 (without cheap cheats). take penalties and cameras from pes 2010. Put in the mix a decent ML (offers from other clubs and national teams tournaments) and better ball physics and you have the greast football game of all time.
 
Ektor70 said:
dear Seabass
take tactical, keepers, animations and visual from 2011. take cpu and off the ball moves from pes 2012 (without cheap cheats). take penalties and cameras from pes 2010. Put in the mix a decent ML (offers from other clubs and national teams tournaments) and better ball physics and you have the greast football game of all time.
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visual from pes 2010 are way better than pes 2011 imo
by the way i don't think that mixing those elements would give us the best football game, at best will be a good game
 
lighting and colour palette is a million times better in pes 2011. no doubt about it. only someone who does not have any knoledge of that could claim the opposite.

you might like it more in pes 2010, but pes 2011 is a technically more advanced game on visuals in every aspect. Of course you have to use the same close cameras in both game to be able to judge it.
 
Ektor70 said:
lighting and colour palette is a million times better in pes 2011. no doubt about it. only someone who does not have any knoledge of that could claim the opposite.

you might like it more in pes 2010, but pes 2011 is a technically more advanced game on visuals in every aspect. Of course you have to use the same close cameras in both game to be able to judge it.
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i'm talking about 360 version, maybe on pc pes 2011 graphics are better?
 
pes 2012 visual and presenation values are an embarassment to the industry.

you see better gaming stuff on your blackberry.
 
The visuals are indeed shockingly poor. They look okay enough in certain stadiums and conditions like the Allianz Arena in sunshine, but the night matches in particular look dreadful. I remember me complaining about the graphics when the demos came out and a lot of people claimed it'd be fine, resolution etc would be ramped up at the last minute, but this never happens with any game. I can't think of a single demo ever where the graphics were sub-par to the finished product, bar Battlefield 3 which was an online beta running on lower textures to stress test servers.

I still don't understand how the graphics got so fuzzy and how the lighting so poor compared to 2011. Really bizarre. No art director is going to look at that game and tick off the visuals as okay, surely, so it must come down to hardware programming problems again.

Maybe there is some mileage in the claims for a new graphics engine in 2013. We can but hope.
 
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LTFC said:
The visuals are indeed shockingly poor. They look okay enough in certain stadiums and conditions like the Allianz Arena in sunshine, but the night matches in particular look dreadful. I remember me complaining about the graphics when the demos came out and a lot of people claimed it'd be fine, resolution etc would be ramped up at the last minute, but this never happens with any game. I can't think of a single demo ever where the graphics were sub-par to the finished product, bar Battlefield 3 which was an online beta running on lower textures to stress test servers.

I still don't understand how the graphics got so fuzzy and how the lighting so poor compared to 2011. Really bizarre. No art director is going to look at that game and tick off the visuals as okay, surely, so it must come down to hardware programming problems again.

Maybe there is some mileage in the claims for a new graphics engine in 2013. We can but hope.
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PES 2010 was stunning looking then PES 2011 got downgraded then again Pes 2012 got worse again, my money is the PS2 engine couldnt cope with the AI so other parts of the game had to get downgraded.

PES 2010's graphics with PES 2012's AI (pre patches) would of been a game they could of been proud of, as things are right now i'd be amazed if Konami are proud of any nxt-gen PES.
 
play on 16X antistropic and 16X antialising watch what happens as i have an xbox 360 i don't play pes 2012, it's ok for 2011 and the others, not pes 2012, because the game has alot of graphical power and you really need a good gpu that will outcast xbox 360, for me the console is a toy
 
Primepeace said:
for me the console is a toy
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Any form of gaming is really just "a toy".

You play video games to waste time, you never achieve anything worthwhile in your life by playing games on a console or a PC.

I still enjoy gaming, but I get fed up of PC gamers getting on their high horse and acting superior when we're all really just as sad as each other.

And no matter what your PC hardware is, it won't fix the gameplay issues in the code of the game - it's a placebo effect or you just seeing things where they are not to be seen (like your repeated rant about blocked shots which is non-existant).
 
Primepeace said:
play on 16X antistropic and 16X antialising watch what happens as i have an xbox 360 i don't play pes 2012, it's ok for 2011 and the others, not pes 2012, because the game has alot of graphical power and you really need a good gpu that will outcast xbox 360, for me the console is a toy
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Not everybody will want to or be able to afford to spend upward of £1000 on a powerful gaming PC just so they can enjoy slightly better gfx on PES.
Look at games like Uncharted 3, Battlefield 3, Batman Arkham City etc .... all graphically sublime, yet Konami cant even make non-jagged goalposts or pitch edges in PES ... something has got to be up there.

I make custom adboards for my custom stadium in PES, one of them is an Audi adboard, with the silver Audi rings on, in certain stadiums those silver rings show up beautifully, against the white background of the adboard, in other stadiums you can barely see those rings. Same camera angles, and I produce the adboard gfx in hi-res 320dpi png's, the max the game will allow.
Again... inconsistencies.

Year in Year out we get a new version of PES that ALWAYS guaranteed has some kind of moderate to major issue with it, you have to wonder if the programming team that work on Konami are up to the job.
 
Primepeace said:
play on 16X antistropic and 16X antialising watch what happens as i have an xbox 360 i don't play pes 2012, it's ok for 2011 and the others, not pes 2012, because the game has alot of graphical power and you really need a good gpu that will outcast xbox 360, for me the console is a toy
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It must be nice to be able to afford to upgrade your PC every few months to keep up with the tech required to play the latest games! Unfortunately many people cannot afford to do so and I very much doubt if having enhanced visuals fixes the problems with the shooting, passing, animations etc. etc. etc. anyway.

The visuals on 2011 and 2010 were fine on PS3 so the question of why they are so bad on 2012 remains.

I'm willing to bet the console games market massively outsells the PC games market so Konami building games specifically for high end PCs doesnt make any sense.
 
ok then, overall i got the message from the three posts, what if i said to you that football games on ipad 2 are nearing consoles how would that feel?

i have played 4 football games on ipad 2 and i couldn't believe my eyes and the enjoyment.

look iv got nothing against ps3 or xbox 360 infact i can guarantee you that i still enjoy them both but upto a certain point, i actually tested all the pes series games on my xbox 360 and always went back to my pc to really see the extra ingredient on pc. No no you don't have to spend a fortune on pc's anymore, go and ask for s standard pc and they will still give you a better gpu and cpu then the consoles, i respect console gamers but trust me guys iv'e been through this, trust me the game is downgraded to fit into the specs of console come along and try the 16X antialiasing and antistropic, the game floats on air making the gameplay a much more realistic enjoyment, i know the stress you guys go through on the consoles iv been through it since pes 6

I NEVER PLAY WITH A PATCH!!! JUST ORIGINAL!
 
A few things here....

Shooting - I think this is symbolic of how much PES has been messed about with by Konami. All areas of the game have been tweaked and re-tweaked seemingly without conforming to a cohesive plan or direction. It seems that Konami's attempts to change gameplay elements normally results in something being broken, or something else being dumbed down or altered to hide the fact that it's broken.

I really think the time has come for Konami to start from scratch. Throw away everything and start with a clean slate. Perhaps then they can build a balanced game from the ground up, rather than trying to get what they can out of an old, creaking and obsolete engine. The last five years of PES have been akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Visuals - PES2010 is undoubtedly the best looking PES on consoles to date. Let's take the PC out of the equation as that's a highly scalable platform and hence an unfair comparison. I would have to question anyone who thinks 2011 or 2012 looks better. PES2010 had clean, crisp graphics with vivid colours. It had many more animations too. Most importantly, no blur!

Playing PES on the PC - PES has always been a console game for me and that's where I prefer to play it. The fact that other sports games like NBA2K12 and FIFA12 can look stunning on consoles means that I would rather play those games than spend £1000 or so on a gaming PC. As others have said, playing on the PC doesn't change the fundamental gameplay flaws with PES, it just 'polishes the turd', so to speak.
 
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Jamezinho said:
I really think the time has come for Konami to start from scratch. Throw away everything and start with a clean slate. Perhaps then they can build a balanced game from the ground up, rather than trying to get what they can out of an old, creaking and obsolete engine. The last five years of PES have been akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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You mean like they did with 2011? that was a fresh start by all apparent means, and what did we get with that, although a great game, we got the dreaded stumble animation, elephant touch, catch up bug, player selection bug ... so konami 'Fix' those points for 2012 and instead give us a f*cked shooting mechanic.

year after year its the same thing.... a decent game with lots of faults. confidence levels are running low to be honest.
Maybe a new Dev team need to be brought in with Seabass overseeing technical production, but the actual coding done by new programmers, as the last lot have had 4 years and bodge something every year.
 
PES has never had a fresh start in its history. People say PES3 and PES2008 were new engines but they weren't at all. Both games were subject to more than the usual subtle evolution, but the fact remains - the underlying architecture of PES has been the same for a decade.
 
xPJRx said:
You mean like they did with 2011? that was a fresh start by all apparent means, and what did we get with that, although a great game, we got the dreaded stumble animation, elephant touch, catch up bug, player selection bug ... so konami 'Fix' those points for 2012 and instead give us a f*cked shooting mechanic.

year after year its the same thing.... a decent game with lots of faults. confidence levels are running low to be honest.
Maybe a new Dev team need to be brought in with Seabass overseeing technical production, but the actual coding done by new programmers, as the last lot have had 4 years and bodge something every year.
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Surely the playtesters at Konami noticed all the problems with inconsistent shooting and passing?

Surely the programmers were aware of all the glitches and bugs in the code?

Surely the art guys noticed the substantial slide in the quality of the graphics and crappy presentation?

Surely Seabass himself noticed ALL of these things if he played the game for any length of time?

I feel I am being treated with utter contempt by a company I have been loyal to for years. They MUST know that PES 2012 is a sub-standard product, even if they will never admit it, so SURELY heads have rolled at Konami and they will be going back to the drawing board this year.

If not, why not?
 
Primepeace said:
trust me the game is downgraded to fit into the specs of console come along and try the 16X antialiasing and antistropic, the game floats on air making the gameplay a much more realistic enjoyment, i know the stress you guys go through on the consoles iv been through it since pes 6

I NEVER PLAY WITH A PATCH!!! JUST ORIGINAL!
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Erm I really don't know what to say to that other than you're imagining it. The PC and console versions are the exact same game. All PC allows you to do is fiddle with graphic settings or apply gameplay patches like Yair's patch.

Under the hood the console and PC versions are the exact same game mate.
 
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