The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

Which PES 2012 version do you prefer?

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It's the nature of these things I suppose. If PES2012 was any good we'd all be playing it and not posting negatively on here. I might as well give up with the PES section of Evo-Web because I've got very little positive to say about the game.

The fact that there appears to be zero moderation recently is another factor in things getting a little out of hand in here.
 
Flaw3d Genuis said:
Yeah you miss out that i wanted any rioters shot...but thats what you do....A fight? Nah i have calmed down...coffee is suffice. Will get in touch through PM and we can catch up on a lunch break when your free.
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You also got banned as you watched a video of two centre backs making crazy runs after they passed the ball and said 'Hmm that seems to be a bug"

How dare you make such a false claim
 
ftgpete said:
You also got banned as you watched a video of two centre backs making crazy runs after they passed the ball and said 'Hmm that seems to be a bug"

How dare you make such a false claim
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Guilty as charged for that one.

I also got banned for wanting Konami to make better looking goals/nets. :CONF: Apparently all we need is jumpers for goal posts.
 
I cant believe this curdstar. Talking about other people swearing and inmature behaviour. Buy yourself a mirror. Or grow up. Everybody makes mistakes, learn from it. DOnt deny stuff what can be found all over the internet.

You and adam have a bad name in the world of pes, and you guys have only yourself to blame.

If only a few lads would have problems with you, then ok, maybe they are wrong. But when on litterly all forums but wenb, and i mean all forums: english, dutch , italian, german, american. Everywhere you read negative comments about you 2.

Now... maybe thats for a reason, maybe you 2 need to change your attitude. Dont you think so? When so many people tell the same story, it might be true?

Look, i dont care. But i would not feel right when so many people dislike me, and this only for a game. (which is rubbish at max anyway)
 
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Flaw3d Genuis said:
Guilty as charged for that one.

I also got banned for wanting Konami to make better looking goals/nets. :CONF: Apparently all we need is jumpers for goal posts.
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Who gives a damn about square nets, can't believe people want that yet we have players who need an option for their shirts to be either tucked or untucked! This of most importance!


People need to get their priorities straight :P
 
For me the priorities are: gameplay, proper physics (that does NOT mean I want Player Impact Engine clone mind you), player individuality and feeling, team proper styles, in winter/rainy conditions for ball/turf/players to get different feeling (mud slows you down, ball absorbs water and gets heavier, ball skips of wet surface so you need to be more precise with passes/less power).

This was pulled out great before. Now? Those things are missing.

It's probably due to split feedback people give to KONAMI. Some stuff got erased due to FIFA fanboys... Sending feedback and knowing what they want :lol:

Goal nets? Graphics? That can come later. Atm we want proper gameplay core.

Take a look at Project CARS (Community Assisted Racing Sim :P). That game will shake racing sim industry... Imo. We want similar level of detail from Pro Evo. Even if it will turn out community driven game ;)
 
Messiah Ban Victim said:
I cant believe this curdstar. Talking about other people swearing and inmature behaviour. Buy yourself a mirror. Or grow up. Everybody makes mistakes, learn from it. DOnt deny stuff what can be found all over the internet.

You and adam have a bad name in the world of pes, and you guys have only yourself to blame.

If only a few lads would have problems with you, then ok, maybe they are wrong. But when on litterly all forums but wenb, and i mean all forums: english, dutch , italian, german, american. Everywhere you read negative comments about you 2.

Now... maybe thats for a reason, maybe you 2 need to change your attitude. Dont you think so? When so many people tell the same story, it might be true?

Look, i dont care. But i would not feel right when so many people dislike me, and this only for a game. (which is rubbish at max anyway)
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OK, final long post before I go away. I've tried to stay away, but this post was at least coated in a more sensible way.

There's obviously going to be a lot of people who are upset with WENB. The number 1 reason? Being banned. And to be honest, the people who are upset are worthy of bans, you only need to see the way they articulate themselves on here. Rude, offensive etc. I mean look at your avatar Messiah Ban Victim, and your username. Sure it's a reaction to you feeling upset with Adam and WENB, but seriously, if thats the sort of person you are then we feel pretty good about you not being on our forums.

And that's the internet in a nutshell. It's full of rude people, immaturity and (in some cases towards Adam and Suff) racism. WENB forums are moderated heavily, but that's the idea. The common misconception however is that myself or Adam do the banning. It's simply not true, although we are of course the ones who pass on the orders. Not in who to ban, but what sort of behaviour we allow.

Problem is people come from the usual forum code, and that's say what you want, do what you want etc. WENB has tried to change that mentality, and make everything accountable. If someone came on WENB and abused him and told him you were rubbish, why shouldn't he ban you? If you guys called out the man who runs Evo-Web, I'm sure you'd be banned here too. Difference is that we try to communicate in a very personal way. It's dangerous as we are constantly held accountable, but it's what we do.

WENB isn't right. It's not wrong. We're just different. Sure many here and in other places disagree with how we work, but that's just the way it is. Asking us to change for people who haven't shone themselves in glory isn't going to happen. And should we change? Just look at the rapid rate the site has grown, and what it has now become. You can slate us all you want, but when you talk facts, we are where we are because of the way we have done things.

We can all agree on one thing, WENB has a purpose. Whether it's news or that communication with Konami, we have something that people want, along with the things some dislike.

And I'll leave it there. Mainly because I really think this ship has sailed many pages ago. I've wasted my time with people who I shouldn't really care what they think through no fault but my own.

The few of you need to realise Evo-web isn't about what you guys are saying, neither is it your input. Most of you who have been doing your best to rile me over the past few pages signed up after being banned from WENB, which is a sorry state. When Adam got a few members from here to go play the game at his, we all found it a bit odd, seeing as some of the key abuse WENB gets is from these boards. But like he said, Evo-web is a site that has key members who provide fantastic discussion. The ones who feel they represent Evo-web, the ones with a desire for inter-community rivalry, do nothing for the website. Their alliance with the website is simply not shared by the true people who make the site what it it.

So with that in mind, I'll keep checking the thread from Goalgerd and Chimps, and stay away from this section. I'm sure when PES 2013 is announced the discussion will turn good again.

Hope you all have a happy Xmas and new year, and apologies to the ones who want this discussion to end for being a contributor in derailing the thread.
 
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Curdstar your wrong stop being argumentative and sort your shit out. While you at it tell konami the fans are unhappy baring you little forum, and that we want a new game engine because its due.

And for godsake stop banning people for an opinion.
 
curdstar said:
I mean look at your avatar.
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Got a smile out of that one to be honest. I think having an avatar of one's self in a, "Hey everybody, look at me in my shades!" pose is ironic. It seems rather pretentious and full of one's self -- not dissimilar to the way that person often conducts his self on the PES community boards. Like I said before, I'll be looking for a change in the way you relate to people in the PES community forums come 2012. Cheers.
 
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So Evo-Web is basically consists of WENB members that have been banned?

No wonder this place is a better read. No arse licking goes on here and while this thread has now turned into a farce it did have an extremely good run with constructive feedback (with not a single person getting banned) As someone else has said it has pretty much ran it's course due to everything being said hence why it's like what it is now.
 
People are upset at WENB Curd because they hype the game up only for it to be terrible, wouldn't you be angry at people who hype something you use to love?


You speak out against rudeness and immaturity on the internet yet recently on WENB you abused a user because he thinks the pitches look terrible on PES. You sarcastically ask him ' they obviously don't watch football them Japenese, eh?'

Well a lot of Japanese watch and play football, hence why they are the best team in Asia, but judging by the recent PES games, it doesn't seem Konami does.


You criticise the user for worrying about petty things and Adam and you have done so in the past when people have asked to fix the nets. Yet I remember a time when Adam and all his yes men campaigned that untucked shirts be in the game. :FAIL:


That is why people have resentment against WENB, Adam etc. Because some people on there are very rude and condescending and have this massive ego which just turns people off.


But I do find it funny that people blame WENB for PES's recent down fall, Konami has never listened to WENB or any forum for that matter. WENB has asked for animations and goalkeepers to be improved since 2008 and it hasn't, it's still diabolical to say the least. THe fact that Adam says 'WENB are making the game' is the most embarrassing thing I've read, more embarrassing than Liverpool's statement about the Suarez case or all Liverpool players wearing Saurez shirts warming up for the Wigan match. Konami use WENB as a marketing toy just to hype up the game, Adam is already hyping PES 2013 up, I thought 2012 was a touch of genius? Shouldn't we still all be basking in it's glory?
 
dmxdex2020 said:
Back to normal now.

For me personally pes needs a new game engine. Its only them i will believe she will be back.
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Agreed. I'm not completely sure what a "new engine" is to be honest, although I have an idea, but I think the game really needs a complete overhaul at this point after 4+ years of unsatisfactory efforts. Hopefully Konami can do that whilst keeping some of the PES DNA in place that made us all fall in love with it a few years ago.
 
Ipswich69 said:
Agreed. I'm not completely sure what a "new engine" is to be honest, although I have an idea, but I think the game really needs a complete overhaul at this point after 4+ years of unsatisfactory efforts. Hopefully Konami can do that whilst keeping some of the PES DNA in place that made us all fall in love with it a few years ago.
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Thing is if they implement a new engine for pes 2013, I'm entirely totally sure, but won't it take time (years)to refine it? A new engie with the same old pes dna won't be enough? Everything needs to be re-worked.

I was plyaing pes 3 the other day,and I was astounded at how good it played. The ball physics were probably at their best. And it was the my favourite because I loved how the players felt and moved. Zidane was a dream to control. It really makes you wonder how the hell did they go backwards! I want that kind of proegression that we had from pes 2 to pes 3. But with today's tech. For me, it was the biggest jump they made with the game in terms of progression.

Sorry what I meant by same old dna was the same old recyled shit we see each year. I want something revolutionary!
 
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I don't want any DNA from old PES as it will keep the rails in game as we saw in PES2011-12.

PES needs to start their engine without looking at the past.If you want to not fall , don't look backward.That's what made PES this gen look bad .

Old PES with all its glorys ,it was a heavily scripted (good written script not cheating).Passing was assisted ,crossing too.
So it wont be a good idea looking back.Now , its not easy to have a good game without advanced tech.

Tech will help PES alot + varied animations + Goalkeeping redone from scratch using a real pro GK= a good start of the series again :))
 
Nobleknight said:
I don't want any DNA from old PES as it will keep the rails in game as we saw in PES2011-12.

PES needs to start their engine without looking at the past.If you want to not fall , don't look backward.That's what made PES this gen look bad .

Old PES with all its glorys ,it was a heavily scripted (good written script not cheating).Passing was assisted ,crossing too.
So it wont be a good idea looking back.Now , its not easy to have a good game without advanced tech.

Tech will help PES alot + varied animations + Goalkeeping redone from scratch using a real pro GK= a good start of the series again :))
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I just pray it happens. But I'm getting my hopes at all. Their is really no point. Lets just hope it finally makes that next gen step!
 
stephen said:
I just pray it happens. But I'm getting my hopes at all. Their is really no point. Lets just hope it finally makes that next gen step!
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to be honest I dont see that happen in the near future after the failure of PES2012 :FAIL: (comparing it to PES2011 which was better and just needed better tech and AI)
 
PES needs a brand new engine, I don't think there is any doubt about that. We've seen what happens when a dated engine is pushed to it's limits - PES2012 is the result.

I don't think Konami have anything to lose by making sweeping changes, and potentially everything to gain if they get it right. The game is in Fifa's shade both critically and in sales numbers. To be honest I would actually welcome a new PES that doesn't feel like at all like PES. A complete reboot that's fresh and has to be relearned.

All I ask is that Konami stick to the original ethos of the game, that is, an accessible simulation that's easy to learn but hard to master, a devotion to player individuality and character, deep tactical play and that little bit of randomness that is the PES magic in my eyes.

Probably easier said that done but I hope Konami do it this year.
 
Jamezinho said:
PES needs a brand new engine, I don't think there is any doubt about that. We've seen what happens when a dated engine is pushed to it's limits - PES2012 is the result.

I don't think Konami have anything to lose by making sweeping changes, and potentially everything to gain if they get it right. The game is in Fifa's shade both critically and in sales numbers. To be honest I would actually welcome a new PES that doesn't feel like at all like PES. A complete reboot that's fresh and has to be relearned.

All I ask is that Konami stick to the original ethos of the game, that is, an accessible simulation that's easy to learn but hard to master, a devotion to player individuality and character, deep tactical play and that little bit of randomness that is the PES magic in my eyes.

Probably easier said that done but I hope Konami do it this year.
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A new engine could be special. If they stuck to the say principles while giving us the updated animations and so on. This game will no doubt bring back the pes players and give you that sense of love again.

I know people will be worried about the game needed ahwhile to be tweaked. On the first release as long as they have full 360 degree movement and selection for manual passing crossing and shooting the rest can follow. For me celebrations are awfull and dated now.

Give us the fifa sliders also. That for me is proberly fifa's biggest and underated best thing they could of brought in.

Masterleague also needs a total overhaul. 3 or 4 divisions with the ablity for us to select the amount of teams in each league. Also we should be able to choose the starting and ending dates. Weather needs to be realistic for each country and season. Each league needs the fa cup and carling cups respectively.

Sackings and moving to a new job.
 
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Good discussion lads.

Jamezinho said:
All I ask is that Konami stick to the original ethos of the game, that is, an accessible simulation that's easy to learn but hard to master, a devotion to player individuality and character, deep tactical play and that little bit of randomness that is the PES magic in my eyes.
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Well said. This is basically what I was referring to a few post back when I said I hope Konami keeps some of the DNA that made PES great on the PS2. Like you lads though I hope Konami has begun the process already of rebooting this series with a new engine etc...
 
The new xbox is out in late 2013 early 2014 its now they need to new engine ready for the next gen and by the time the new consoles are here they would of got to grips with the engine alittle bit.

I have a sneaky feeling they are waiting for the next gen though.
 
Ipswich69 said:
Good discussion lads.



Well said. This is basically what I was referring to a few post back when I said I hope Konami keeps some of the DNA that made PES great on the PS2. Like you lads though I hope Konami has begun the process already of rebooting this series with a new engine etc...
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fully agree.

A new engine is the right step for konami, shame they should of done this when they first moved to the 360/ps3 era graphics. I think nows the time for Konami to ditch the old game and go for a completely brand new fresh start. But like Jamezinho said, keep the original ethos and use it along with a brand new fresh engine which will have much less limits that the current engine has. Hopefully an engine with more freedom, better physics and more capabilities that could make the new games just as good as the past Pes classics.

Sadly at the end of the day depends on what Konami feel is necessary. Aslong as fans let them know, im sure they will go through with making a new engine. Even if it meant waiting until next gen, I wouldn't mind. aslong as its much better of course :P
 
Ektor70 said:
it can always be renamed " evowenb"...u just need to ban anyone who has an opinion..
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Well you certainly can't call it Evo-Web - that site consisted of people whose opinions were worth reading. I really do miss those days and resent those who have taken it away from us.
 
@ curdstar

i am not upset at all towards wenb. Its my favorit comedy page now. And i think you can handle a ''funny'' avater. At least i think a man who calls names to other people, is capable of withstanding a bad joke.

But forget about it, its like speaking to a wall: i tell you on a decend way: hey many people dislike you.

ANd all you can say: not true, its because of them, we dont want those kind of guys, they are racists, if your like this, they dont know what there talking about bla bla bla.

Mate, do you ever blame yourself for anything?
 
curdstar said:
@the putz - So you think the actions of Flaw3d Genius are thoroughly commendable then? Aye, best you take a back seat now in case you get another case of foot in mouth.

@Jamezinho - I am sure you will appreciate my desire to not go into details here in front of the peanut gallery.
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So now Curds is deflecting all issues to accuse someone online of being a racist rather than actually ANSWER any of the questions put to him.

You dont want to go into details here? WTF are you doing here then? Are you only here to make baseless claims of your own importance and to throw around casual accusations of racism?

You make me laugh, you really do.

You try so hard to come across as intelligent with your overly wordy but essentially empty posts but you cant answer the most simple questions or allegations put to you.

You're a fraud mate. All you've achieved by coming on here to have a go at us is prove it beyond doubt.
 
Sorry to mention Curds again there guys, that's my last post about him.

The tone of this thread has lowered somewhat recently which is a shame but hopefully now it can get back on track.

I'd love a new engine for PES but I would be worried Konami would be going back to square one and we'd end up with an abomination like PES 2008 again. There is no real alternative though I suppose as the current engine is simply not fit for purpose.

Unfortunately a new engine could mean we have to wait a couple of years to get a decent PES again as surely PES 2013 would be little more than a test run?

Unless of course Konami want to put some serious cash and resources towards it to ensure they do a good job. They're going to have to if they want to get back to the glory days.

The question is are they willing to do that? How much are they willing to invest in the PES brand? Judging by recent efforts it would appear "not much" is the answer.
 
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