The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread
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DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
Demos were not perfect, but they werevery, very good, except for the keepers. The game was really promising. But as always, konami give us a different game, and the fun aspect is gone.
Now I realize how on rails this game is in it's final version. It annoys me how much locked are teamates Ai movement to go onto the ball in so many circunstances after a pass. What's even worse is how often the cursor picks up the wrong player that's far from the ball, and even when you switch back to the right target (the player you meant to pass to), the wrong player keep coming to get the ball and it bothers the other. These faults are just ridiculous.
I'm not even going to mention the how shocking CPU Ai is, it plays almost the same way for all teams, all team behind the ball and always following shoulder by shoulder your teamates or closing gaps so quickly, you no longer have different opportunities of creating different attackin plays. And it seems that fatigue means nothing for cpu.
Now I realize how on rails this game is in it's final version. It annoys me how much locked are teamates Ai movement to go onto the ball in so many circunstances after a pass. What's even worse is how often the cursor picks up the wrong player that's far from the ball, and even when you switch back to the right target (the player you meant to pass to), the wrong player keep coming to get the ball and it bothers the other. These faults are just ridiculous.
I'm not even going to mention the how shocking CPU Ai is, it plays almost the same way for all teams, all team behind the ball and always following shoulder by shoulder your teamates or closing gaps so quickly, you no longer have different opportunities of creating different attackin plays. And it seems that fatigue means nothing for cpu.
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It's been like this since PES3...
The backline settings is what effects how deep the player play. The position on the field influences other variables not possible with options/sliders. It's never been explained well but I don't see anything wrong with it. Infact, I find it gave us more freedom with tactics. Something Konami now insist on taking away.
What is the point of us being given the option of moving individual players to specific positions on the pitch, if the sliders and CPU just disregard this anyway.
Again, Konami like to give us the illusion of freedom but actually give us much less freedom than we had on the PS2 versions...
Just when I thought this game couldn't get any worse I made the mistake of starting a league campaign and selecting accumulated fatigue.
Now I find that despite resting players for 4 games in a row which equates to 4 weeks in the PES world, they still barely recover any stamina and if I pick them they're completely exhausted by half time.
I just can't take this game any more. I buy games to relax and have fun, PES this year is having me tear my hair out in frustration at how shoddy it is.
I honestly don't know what to do now. I'm in two minds to uninstall this game trade it in and give FIFA a chance, despite never playing any of the FIFA games.
Part of me will feel bad for selling out to the "man" but if Konami keep serving up any more of this rubbish I won't have much of a choice.
Now I find that despite resting players for 4 games in a row which equates to 4 weeks in the PES world, they still barely recover any stamina and if I pick them they're completely exhausted by half time.
I just can't take this game any more. I buy games to relax and have fun, PES this year is having me tear my hair out in frustration at how shoddy it is.
I honestly don't know what to do now. I'm in two minds to uninstall this game trade it in and give FIFA a chance, despite never playing any of the FIFA games.
Part of me will feel bad for selling out to the "man" but if Konami keep serving up any more of this rubbish I won't have much of a choice.
This is exactly how I feel - its just too awful to even pretend that it isnt that bad and try to have fun anyway.
The vast majority of goals scored are down to the terrible coding and/or retarded AI.
FIFA wont solve the problem for you tho, it has good presentation but the game itself is still shit.
Alas, true. I desperately want a football game to play but all we have is two turds.
The worst part is that neither Konami nor EA care so this trend is set to continue for the forseeable future.
Konami actually seem to ENJOY fucking up their classic titles and trying to be as quirky as possible. They dont care what observations we make in this forum because they'll always have their fawning fanboys who are happy to swallow whatever crap Seabass serves them and beg for more. Not to mention the lazy game journos or the biased "inside men" who run certain forums giving the game ridiculously over inflated review scores every year while completely ignoring the many obvious flaws.
As for EA, they're absolutely RAKING in the cash from their FIFA games every single year so they'll happily laugh all the way to the bank and carry on churning out their boring, vanilla versions of football. Their fans wont care so long as they have the licences.
What we could really do with is a new developer taking a couple of years to devote their energy to a brand new football game. This is also unlikely though because one look at those stupid review scores and the market share EA and Konami have held for so long and it just doesn't make sense for any developer to try to take them on. It's too much of a risk and there have been too many other companies who have failed miserably over the years.
FIFA aint gonna change much because they have a winning formula as far as making money is concerned so all we can hope for is that Konami somehow fluke their way back to the top of this two team league by producing a brilliant PES game. Considering they dont seem to have a clue how to do this anymore, or seem to even give a shit, I dont hold out much hope for that.
We dont want to believe this because we are football fans and we NEED a decent game to play but can anyone honestly see this shitty status quo changing anytime soon?
dragosnita
Non-League
- 8 April 2011
U all are talking about scripting and scripting. Did u guys watched last night BVB vs Marseille? Did not felt cheated? scripted? Borusia had 2-0 and a one man advantage. OM no possesion, no nothing..scored 1 goal and then 2 goals in the last five minutes to win the game.
I started typing a response to explain how stupid this comparison is but, really, what's the point?
You think PES 2012 is realistic and/or doesn't contain scripting?
Good for you.
dragosnita
Non-League
- 8 April 2011
I started typing a response to explain how stupid this comparison is but, really, what's the point?
You think PES 2012 is realistic and/or doesn't contain scripting?
Good for you.
No mate i was being ironical regarding Marseille comeback when 5 minutes from the end the Greeks were qualified.
Shikashi
League 1
- 6 November 2009
That happens once in a while, not every game.
Radiodead
Conference
- 29 September 2011
FIFA 12, slow gameplay, full manual controls + tactical defending.
Hardly call it a turd...in fact the best football game to date.
2vs2 is also great mode to play.
DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
I can't believe it! What i'm going to say here may sound weird, but surprisingly it is simply the truth: the oportunity of releasing demos for everyone to test on this gen in order to improve the game is actually making the game far worse, and this is what amazes me. The reason for this i just don't know!
Some people say that Konami need to change their philosophy. Well, i don't think this is The problem, i still think that their biggest problem is their technical issues and some limitations, and not their philosophy.
Their ORIGINAL philosophy while they are building the game is great! The demos prove that! PES demos are FAR more enjoyable than the final release. This is what makes it even more depressing to play.
I'm done with football games this gen. Konami should start building up a new engine NOW for the upcoming new consoles and keep their original philosophy, their goal and ideas from the first builds MUST keep intact, and they should stop messing up the game for the final release. They simply don't know how to take advantage of demos feedback, that's the truth! They just need to fix obvious flaws from the demos (like the keepers this year) without changing their basics concepts and original ideas.
Some people say that Konami need to change their philosophy. Well, i don't think this is The problem, i still think that their biggest problem is their technical issues and some limitations, and not their philosophy.
Their ORIGINAL philosophy while they are building the game is great! The demos prove that! PES demos are FAR more enjoyable than the final release. This is what makes it even more depressing to play.
I'm done with football games this gen. Konami should start building up a new engine NOW for the upcoming new consoles and keep their original philosophy, their goal and ideas from the first builds MUST keep intact, and they should stop messing up the game for the final release. They simply don't know how to take advantage of demos feedback, that's the truth! They just need to fix obvious flaws from the demos (like the keepers this year) without changing their basics concepts and original ideas.
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Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
What's frustrating is that Konami are rumoured to be using a new engine for next year's game (I think I read these rumours based on Seabass stating how 'different' PES2013 will be, but a. that could mean anything, and b. he says that every year), which is not great because it'll mean that the game will again be a generation behind when the new consoles come out. And it's not gonna be that long before the new consoles appear. We could end up having this same discussion on next gen too.
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MFW he tests the new engine out on the PC version and still uses the old engine on consoles because they aren't ready for it until the new generation of consoles are released.
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I'm joking obviously but it's not even that bad an idea. At least it'll mean that when the engine is used for the next-gen of consoles then bugs will have been ironed out. Very much unlike what happened this generation.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
I'll believe it when I see it. Konami haven't got a fucking clue what they are doing any more. No plan, no direction from what I can see, just constantly tweaking an old and creaking engine, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as the saying goes.
Those bell ends at the Pravda (wenb) have led us on a merry dance for years with their hyperbole. I can't even wait for the demo to judge PES2013 as that can be a radical misrepresentation of the final product. I have no faith in Konami or their PR any more.
Flaw3d Genius
Banned
WENB now saying the Wii version is amazing and the best football game this year, So if they gave PES 2012 on nxt-gen a 9/10 then the Wii version must be near perfection.
Deluxe
Championship
- 2 September 2005
Then the PS2 version too
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
What a joke they are.
Shikashi
League 1
- 6 November 2009
Where do people pick this silly stuff up from? Why do they still buy it? Seriously.
I have absolutely no faith in Konami as a publisher. We can all hope that PES Productions has good intentions but nothing about Konami gives me any real faith that they couldn't well be defunct in a couple of years. Their games are constant rehashes and what's worse is that absolutely none of the games they keep making sequels to (MGS, Silent Hill, Yu-gi-oh, dance dance revo, castlevania) are better than a previous game in the series from previous generations ago (aside from MGS4 and SH:Shattered Memories there's been nothing good this gen). Look at their output on wikipedia. The last original titles they had were Elebits in 2007 and Saw in 2009. I am only aware of one upcoming game called NeverDead that they're releasing.
What i'm getting at is whether or not they'll actually give PES Productions any real money to build a new engine.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Completely agree.
Professor Nutmeg
ML Fanatic
- 3 July 2002
Make no mistake, PES 2013 will be very much the same. Same engine, same graphics, same animations, same scripting, a new bug, a feature or two removed. Some teams replaced by others. You get the idea. A mere 'tweaked' update.
And some people wonder why i still play older PES, like PES5. It's essentially the same game, but better gameplay.
And some people wonder why i still play older PES, like PES5. It's essentially the same game, but better gameplay.
Ern Dog
Championship
- 23 October 2009
I have downloaded PES6 and the ShollyM 2011/2012 patch, if I can pull myself away from Skyrim I'm gonna start a ML in that.
Seriously?
If they're pinning their hopes on the Wii version you know they're desperate.
They're nothing more than Konami PR officers that lot, they should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
Enzo
International
On PC PES2012 with yair modified .exe is something that FIFA wont be even in FIFA13, gameplay is absolutely amazing 
If console PES2012 ever gets gameplay update patch from community you will close this thread as there is nothing to be unhappy about.
If console PES2012 ever gets gameplay update patch from community you will close this thread as there is nothing to be unhappy about.On PC PES2012 with yair modified .exe is something that FIFA wont be even in FIFA13, gameplay is absolutely amazing
I very much doubt that but why do some people think it's OK to have members of the public "fix" the game to make it half decent because Konami cant be bothered?
Do you think this is acceptable? Your £40 went to Konami, not some poor bastard who sat in his room trying to fix the game for days on end!
Konami had 1 whole year to sort out PES 2012 and they fucked it up. The people who do these home made patches seem to be able to deliver a game closer to what the public actually want in just a few days! WTF is going on at Konami?
I made a tongue in cheek post a couple of pages ago about PES being a DIY game on PC but some people seem to be happy with that. I find that incredible.
What if these hard working patch guys decide "Fuck it" and stop trying to fix Konami's broken code? Is that the only time you'll start to get pissed off?
You're happy with the DIY patched version of the game, I get that, but that shouldn't stop you having a go at Konami for not giving you a decent game to play in the first place.