The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

[CalcioCalabrese]

At last,i wandered where all the realists went,its like someone opened a window.

Loving skyrim too,great minds and all that............bravo,demo1 was the one.

That's not what 47% of the visitors to this site say. Read the poll figures at the top of the screen.

Not saying you're necessarily wrong but again it's opinion as to what people's preference is.

 

[Expander]

That's not what 47% of the visitors to this site say. Read the poll figures at the top of the screen.

Not saying you're necessarily wrong but again it's opinion as to what people's preference is.

Demo1 was konamis real vision for pes2012,dont doubt it and dont kid yourself with polls,they mean shit,or does it mean people are right.Plus the euro demo 1 wasnt as good as the asian version.Better ai,better passing,better gameplay,shit keepers though.

But all the cry babys moaned,the same knee jerk reactions and now theres more pre-owned versions of pes2012 in the shops then fallout new vegas on the ps3(i loved it mind,well on the xbox360).

Thats why its so broken now.Ive explained why so wont repeat myself,but if you want to take a look just search through these threads.Give me a break,im not anti pes.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

Well even Demo 2 had more votes above than Demo 1. Given that xbox users didn't get a chance to play Demo 1 on the console, it's hard to say whether you're right or wrong. But according to you Konami's real vision was Demo 1 - which by Konami's own admission was a work in progress which they told us would be changing and in fact had already changed BEFORE anyone had even played (i.e. it was an early build).

So when you played Demo 1, the working build was already being revised - without the privilidge of anyone's knee jerk reactions.

 

[priskinsprick]

Have you played demo 1 recently?

OK the keepers were trash but the outfield play was such an improvement over every pes ever!

Back in the day, there weren't demos, just Seabass and co doing what they thought was right. And those WERE the days.

Demo 2 was good too, the scripting was a bit higher but at least you could get round the back and you didn't have to supercancel every single run - oh yeah and the manual passing actually worked!

I honestly think that the demo's formula was scrapped, and pes2011 was just given a massive patch!

"I can confirm that demo 2 will be final code" - what a tosser.


Everyone who's hating would rather be enjoying! I get my pesfix from a demo these days! The final game is terrible! The ball and the ref - why?

Skyrim on the other hand, 70 hours in and so much to do!

Oh and Expander - we know the score! I hope this year hits Konami hard, but theres too many who bend over backwards for the game - looking forward to next year's demo at least!

 

[Ern Dog]

I played demo 1 last night before my Skyrim session, team mate AI aside its just as crap as all the other versions of 2012. But I think Expander is right saying this was Seabass' vision for 2012, the movement seems alot better and this PES was supposedly all about 'Active AI'. Every other part of the game is clearly a work in progress though, the full game is a little more polished but its still not at a stage I would of been happy to release it at.

 

[pj_puttz]

At last,i wondered where all the realists went,its like someone opened a window.

Loving skyrim too,great minds and all that............bravo,demo1 was the one.

Totally agree. Priskin and his "fruit machine" description of the game is the best I have read so far. He sums up the mechanics of PES 2012 beautifully.

PES looks like an old Commodore 64 game next to the likes of Skyrim. When you think how much detail and how many hours of gameplay they have squeezed into a MASSIVE game like Skyrim then look at PES which cant even get a goalkeeper to pick up a ball that's dribbling towards him or allow you to control your own player all of the time you see just how far behind Seabass and his team are.

It's nothing short of a disgrace.

PS You know Calcio is struggling when he starts pointing towards poll results to back up his argument.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Are you still here Puttz ? Sorry, I thought you may have better things to do, like practice your shooting ?

 

[h3li0]

Are you still here Puttz ? Sorry, I thought you may have better things to do, like practice your shooting ?

Even with loads of practice it´s still very very very inconsistent.

It´s ridiculous the amount of times i choose right and the shoot goes left, and i have scorred some goals like that, just to have the feeling "meeehh great goal, but my choice is the other angle".

Sometimes i question myself, its me playing the game or its CPU doing it for me???.

And online is a keeper go around fest. I like the game but some aspects of it take out all the joy i have when playing.

Shootinh is the worst of any PES series by far. I think i even prefer the 2011 shooting system with theyr balloning shoots under pressure

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

See, I genuinely, hand on heart, have absolutely no idea where this comes from. For me, the shooting is waaaay better than PES 2011. The only problem I'm having now is putting too much mustard on my shots, and over-cooking them. I'm finding I'm putting them wide of the posts by adding too much direction.

I'm gobsmacked that people are still having a problem. I truly am. The only thing pissing me off right now is the stutter and freeze-lock you get sometimes when performing a feint. That bugs me. Totally unacceptable in this day and age.

Edit - My only suggestion, as videos weren't good enough for some people, is to request an online match with any doubters. Send me a PM and we can hook up. Then I'll let my opponent decide which part of the goal they wish me to attempt to hit for the full duration of the match. Say, bottom-right corner. I will then aim there for every shot, long distance or short. Apart from that, I dont know what else to suggest. But the offer is on the table.

 

[pj_puttz]

Are you still here Puttz ? Sorry, I thought you may have better things to do, like practice your shooting ?

Nice one James!

I thought I was maybe being a bit hard on you earlier when I said you thought you were better than everyone else and that we were all too stupid to understand the game the way you do but it looks like I was spot on doesn't it?

The shooting system is not complicated, it's inconsistent. I know your belief that it's complicated and requires true gaming genius to master boosts your ego but it's simply not true Jimmy.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Nice one James!

I thought I was maybe being a bit hard on you earlier when I said you thought you were better than everyone else and that we were all too stupid to understand the game the way you do but it looks like I was spot on doesn't it?

The shooting system is not complicated, it's inconsistent. I know your belief that it's complicated and requires true gaming genius to master boosts your ego but it's simply not true Jimmy.

I thought you'd like that.

Again, Puttz, genuinely, I have no problems at all. Shooting is actually the strongest part of my game. I'm just finding the keepers are so much better in 1.02 that alot of the screamers I was scoring (And the videos are in here) the keepers are now getting to.

I have no ego, I know I'm a good PES player, I know the game inside-out, as I should, I hammer it. I'm a member of a PES league with alot of great, fair players. I prove my worth game in, game out. I dont require any kudos from sites like this, I'm 37 years old FFS.

Puttz, look at it from my side, because I can appreciate it may come across as arrogant. But, when I'm genuinely not having the issues some people are, how on earth am I supposed to sit back and take the 'it's broken' line. I cant, because it's not for me. I have no idea what people are doing wrong. I genuinely dont. Put yourself in my boots for a moment. Then ask yourself how you would deal with it ?

Edit - I still cant work out how to take you. For someone who claims to be a PES diehard, well, to be honest, I've no idea who you are or where you have come from. Your obviously intelligent and articulate, but you comes across as a bit of a troll. The only reason I say this is because in the 5 years you have been a member, until very recently, I've never seen you post in a PES thread. And I've been here forever.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Lets do this another way. I'm keen to know how many are having issues with shooting. If there is this huge problem, it should be across the board. If alot of people are having no issues, and some are, then that tells me some people are doing it wrong.

Just post how you feel.

I'll start, for me, no problems.

 

[h3li0]

See, I genuinely, hand on heart, have absolutely no idea where this comes from. For me, the shooting is waaaay better than PES 2011. The only problem I'm having now is putting too much mustard on my shots, and over-cooking them. I'm finding I'm putting them wide of the posts by adding too much direction.


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You completly don´t understand me or don´t read well. I said the shooting is inconsistent, in direction. what does pressing one direction and the shoot going another, has to have with putting mustard on shoots? I can place my shoots when they go were i press the button, and if its wide or near the keeper, that ok, its my fault.

But shooting outside the area and specifically press up ( atacking from left to right) and the ball goes down, that is what? Maybe i have my controll with reversed configurations no?

That is what i´m referring when i say its inconsistent. And I genuinely, hand on heart experience 3 or 4 out of 10 shoots like that, for me its inconsistency, if it never happened to you , great for you.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I do understand you, and no, I really cant recall thinking, I didnt aim there. Or at least, not in the opposite direction completely. Not at all. Of course there are instances when my player is under pressure and his balance is compromised when striking the ball, then it can fly anywhere. But I have no problem with that, it's real-life.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

Lets do this another way. I'm keen to know how many are having issues with shooting. If there is this huge problem, it should be across the board. If alot of people are having no issues, and some are, then that tells me some people are doing it wrong.

Just post how you feel.

I'll start, for me, no problems.

Pre Patch i'd say 90% of shots went in the general direction i was aiming.

1st patch my shots started heading straight down the middle even though i was doing the same and so it felt totally different from pre patch. Around 60% of shots went in the general direction i was aiming.

2nd Patch it seems right inbetween the two, shots still go down the middle and i was scoring in places of the goal where i just was not aiming however as i say it was better than 1st Patch and prob around 75% of shots went in the general direction i was aiming.


What i'd like to see is 100% shots going in the general direction, if im aiming for the top right corner and dont want to see me scoring bottom left it has to go in the direction i want be it on target or off target.

 

[Robbery]

I don't have a problem with shooting.

Yes, sometimes it happen to me too that the ball goes to the wrong direction but very rarely. I can't say numbers, maybe 1 shot out of 20. I don't know, never count it because it happen so rarely that it never annoys me.

But i would still say i'm not mastered the shooting. Shooting from long range is no problem at all for me and i can place the shoots the way i want them to go. Shooting inside the box is what gives me trouble sometimes. I tend to shot in the middle of the goal to much. But i'm sure it's my fault because a friend of mine, we both play each other a lot, is a specialist in aiming the corner of a goal.

I'm pretty much sure it is a combination of aiming with the left stick the right way (depending on the body-position of your player) and stats/form of the player you shoot with.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

I don't have a problem with shooting.

Yes, sometimes it happen to me too that the ball goes to the wrong direction but very rarely. I can't say numbers, maybe 1 shot out of 20. I don't know, never count it because it happen so rarely that it never annoys me.

But i would still say i'm not mastered the shooting. Shooting from long range is no problem at all for me and i can place the shoots the way i want them to go. Shooting inside the box is what gives me trouble sometimes. I tend to shot in the middle of the goal to much. But i'm sure it's my fault because a friend of mine, we both play each other a lot, is a specialist in aiming the corner of a goal.

I'm pretty much sure it is a combination of aiming with the left stick the right way (depending on the body-position of your player) and stats/form of the player you shoot with.

Basically you have the same issue as the rest of us but the CPU taking over and aiming down the middle or aiming different directions doesnt bother you.

 

[Robbery]

Basically you have the same issue as the rest of us but the CPU taking over and aiming down the middle or aiming different directions doesnt bother you.

It would bother me if it would happen very often but that is just not the case, especially for long range shoots. As i said i can place shoots were i want them to go and one out of twenty is nothing that bothered me. Why should it?

For me it is a problem if it happen way to often and annoys you. You know, sometimes i score a owngoal. It happen all 7-8 games, i don't know, don't count it. But is it a problem? No. Why should it? If i would score owngoals every game then you could talk about a problem.

And there is another thing. I'm not blaming the game for what is probably my fault. The first days i thought you can't defend against the CPU. They will score against you every game. Thats not very fair i thought. But i improved my game and now it is not a problem anymore.

I'm pretty much sure it will be the same with shooting inside the box. Outside it is not a problem for me at all.

And on a side note. If my mate can aim the corners inside the box at will it must be me doing something wrong.

I think you don't want to hear other then "i got a problem with it". If i say it happen so rarely that it doesn't matter at all you only qoute "it happen". That is funny.

 

[pj_puttz]

I thought you'd like that.

Again, Puttz, genuinely, I have no problems at all. Shooting is actually the strongest part of my game. I'm just finding the keepers are so much better in 1.02 that alot of the screamers I was scoring (And the videos are in here) the keepers are now getting to.

I have no ego, I know I'm a good PES player, I know the game inside-out, as I should, I hammer it. I'm a member of a PES league with alot of great, fair players. I prove my worth game in, game out. I dont require any kudos from sites like this, I'm 37 years old FFS.

Puttz, look at it from my side, because I can appreciate it may come across as arrogant. But, when I'm genuinely not having the issues some people are, how on earth am I supposed to sit back and take the 'it's broken' line. I cant, because it's not for me. I have no idea what people are doing wrong. I genuinely dont. Put yourself in my boots for a moment. Then ask yourself how you would deal with it ?

Edit - I still cant work out how to take you. For someone who claims to be a PES diehard, well, to be honest, I've no idea who you are or where you have come from. Your obviously intelligent and articulate, but you comes across as a bit of a troll. The only reason I say this is because in the 5 years you have been a member, until very recently, I've never seen you post in a PES thread. And I've been here forever.

As I've said before Jimmy, I'm glad you dont have a problem with the shooting, I really am. What I have an issue with is how you and others are far too quick to blame player error for what I and many others see as an obvious coding bug. That's where you come across as arrogant. You say you dont have a problem but you allude to the fact that sometimes your shots dont go where you want them to and put this down to your player being under pressure. That to my mind is you making excuses for the game. You are filling in the blanks to make the dodgy code seem acceptable to you. In short, you are fooling yourself and therefore are blind to the flaw in the shooting system. Professional players in real life can still place the ball when under pressure otherwise they would never progress past school level football, so your "realism" argument is nonsense.

That aside, this is a GAME. Most games put the player into high pressure situations but they dont randomly reverse the controls to simulate that situation do they? They do what you tell them to do. Of course I want simulation in a football game but causing a shot to go left when I have selected for it to go right even 20% or 30% of the time is just stupid. All it would take is a little more effort from Konami to show those shots going in the direction you pressed but wide or high or both. That would fix it. But no, even goals I score dont feel like MY goals because they're going in a direction I simply did not select.

I'm a decent PES player too Jimmy, that's why someone like you trying to tell me I cant understand a simple shooting mechanic or that I'm somehow "not doing it right" is so ridiculous to me. The flaw is so obvious to me, and others who have backed it up both on this forum and in real life, that what I have said about you in this post and in the past is the only logical conclusion I can reach. You simply dont see it.

As for your edit, It's true I haven't posted on here much since I joined but to be honest I've never been so annoyed with a version of PES before. I felt compelled to come back here and have my say. You suspect me of being a "troll" but would a "troll" join in 2006 then say next to nothing for YEARS before finally coming online just to disagree with YOU Jimmy? Is that your ego again? Oh wait, you dont have an ego do you? Even though you took the time to tell me all about how you play in a good league and how you "hammer it" and "prove your worth game in game out".

You ask me to put yourself in your shoes, I have tried that and the only conclusion I can reach is that you simply dont notice the flaw or are making excuses for it. Obviously when you put yourself in my shoes you think I'm a crap player who just doesn't understand the shooting mechanic the same way you do.

If you consider I'm pretty much the same age as you and have been playing computer games most of my life, what do YOU think is the more likely scenario?

 

[priskinsprick]

I have a problem with shooting in that I can kick the ball much harder in real life than the professionals in this simulation!

Bring the demo gameplay back! The active AI, the manual passing that is consistent with the power you apply, the refs that give fouls and the ball that weighs more than 10 grams and I'm back in!

2011 and no good football games - unbelievable Jeff!

Jimmy *must* be employed by Konami - or he's mad.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

As I've said before Jimmy, I'm glad you dont have a problem with the shooting, I really am. What I have an issue with is how you and others are far too quick to blame player error for what I and many others see as an obvious coding bug. That's where you come across as arrogant. You say you dont have a problem but you allude to the fact that sometimes your shots dont go where you want them to and put this down to your player being under pressure. That to my mind is you making excuses for the game. You are filling in the blanks to make the dodgy code seem acceptable to you. In short, you are fooling yourself and therefore are blind to the flaw in the shooting system. Professional players in real life can still place the ball when under pressure otherwise they would never progress past school level football, so your "realism" argument is nonsense.

That aside, this is a GAME. Most games put the player into high pressure situations but they dont randomly reverse the controls to simulate that situation do they? They do what you tell them to do. Of course I want simulation in a football game but causing a shot to go left when I have selected for it to go right even 20% or 30% of the time is just stupid. All it would take is a little more effort from Konami to show those shots going in the direction you pressed but wide or high or both. That would fix it. But no, even goals I score dont feel like MY goals because they're going in a direction I simply did not select.

I'm a decent PES player too Jimmy, that's why someone like you trying to tell me I cant understand a simple shooting mechanic or that I'm somehow "not doing it right" is so ridiculous to me. The flaw is so obvious to me, and others who have backed it up both on this forum and in real life, that what I have said about you in this post and in the past is the only logical conclusion I can reach. You simply dont see it.

As for your edit, It's true I haven't posted on here much since I joined but to be honest I've never been so annoyed with a version of PES before. I felt compelled to come back here and have my say. You suspect me of being a "troll" but would a "troll" join in 2006 then say next to nothing for YEARS before finally coming online just to disagree with YOU Jimmy? Is that your ego again? Oh wait, you dont have an ego do you? Even though you took the time to tell me all about how you play in a good league and how you "hammer it" and "prove your worth game in game out".

You ask me to put yourself in your shoes, I have tried that and the only conclusion I can reach is that you simply dont notice the flaw or are making excuses for it. Obviously when you put yourself in my shoes you think I'm a crap player who just doesn't understand the shooting mechanic the same way you do.

If you consider I'm pretty much the same age as you and have been playing computer games most of my life, what do YOU think is the more likely scenario?

That's not making excuses, that's commending the game for being accurate in it's technical representation. Come on, how is that not perfectly accurate to real-life ? Please explain to me, why, in real-life players can hit them high,wide and handsome under pressure. Were they aiming for Row Z ?

And when I think back, I have seen your name in the Fifa threa, I'm sure you had a Streets of Rage avatar, but I may be mistaking you for someone else.

 

[pj_puttz]

That's not making excuses, that's commending the game for being accurate in it's technical representation. Come on, how is that not perfectly accurate to real-life ? Please explain to me, why, in real-life players can hit them high,wide and handsome under pressure. Were they aiming for Row Z ?

And when I think back, I have seen your name in the Fifa threa, I'm sure you had a Streets of Rage avatar, but I may be mistaking you for someone else.

You ARE mistaking me for someone else I'm afraid, I've never been bothered to join a FIFA forum nor have an avatar and if I did Streets of Rage certainly wouldn't be my choice. Your attempts to dismiss me as a troll are becoming desperate James.

As I said, which much like the many bugs in PES you conveniently ignored, professional players can place the ball and score under pressure. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be pro players would they? No top striker gets all the time and space in the world to finish all of their chances, most chances they get they are under serious pressure from defenders yet they STILL stick those chances away. That's what sets them apart from you or I. The ability to perform under pressure and NOT sky the ball into row Z.

I'm not going to repeat myself again for you Jimmy, read my post again, it clearly explains the difference between a game and real life. Games generally do not change the rules to suit themselves to simulate panic or pressure as this would be regarded as AI cheating within the gaming community. Rightly so. If games simulated panic and pressure the way you describe every COD game would have totally unresponsive controls as your player sat in the corner pissing his pants while the bullets whizzed over his head. Games tend not to bother simulating debillitating panic, for obvious reasons.

You are willing to dismiss pretty much anything as "realistic" and your only defence is that "it could happen in real life". Yeah Jimmy, pretty much anything can happen in real life but if a fox ran onto the pitch or my players were struck by lightning during a game of PES I for one would think it was pretty fucking stupid wouldn't you?

If a player in real life aims a shot to the left it 99 times out of 100 goes to the left. It might not be on target all the time but it will go in the general direction they aimed for. Shooting in PES is not like this, it is far more random and that is not realistic.

 

[Expander]

That's not making excuses, that's commending the game for being accurate in it's technical representation. Come on, how is that not perfectly accurate to real-life ? Please explain to me, why, in real-life players can hit them high,wide and handsome under pressure. Were they aiming for Row Z ?

And when I think back, I have seen your name in the Fifa threa, I'm sure you had a Streets of Rage avatar, but I may be mistaking you for someone else.

Jimmy stop all this,your taking things to far and making yourself look and sound like a child.If you like it,then fairplay,just go and fucking play it.Dont spend 24 hours of the day writing the same flawed argument over and over again.

First you take snippets of my posts on the other thread,cleverly laid out(and edited)to make me look stupid,then your on some kind of crusade to dis-credit everyone else.

Its a fucking video game not life or death and get a sense of humour and a sense of fun.Failing that go and see your local dealer and get a ten bag.

Your making yourself look like a right tosser,and demonstrating what a nasty piece of work you really are.

Starting just to get a little personal jim boy,do you want me to start cutting and pasting,anyone can do that and take things out of context.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

I have a million and one issues with the game but funnily enough shooting isn't one of them. If I aim left, it goes left. Aiming needs to be done using the stick in a more pronounced way this year.

Now if I can just get my player into a position to actually have a shot at goal, I may start to score some goals!

 

[ToonArmy]

I have no issues with the shooting in this game. The main issue for me is with the inconsistent passing. Sometimes you can fill up the power bar and the ball will just trickle in front of you. Other times you can tap the button and the ball flies off up the pitch.

For example, I just played a game with Chelsea vs Liverpool. Sturridge in loads of space out on the right so I tap the through ball button thinking it would place it perfectly for him to run onto. But no, it goes flying right up the pitch and out for a goal kick. This is from near the halfway line using Lampard, one of the best passers in the game.

Then I've got the ball out on the left with Ashley Cole. Full sprint up the left wing and who do I see running behind me? Only Andy Carroll! He caught up with Cole so easily and then continued to pull my player back time after time until I lost the ball. Had I done this to the cpu a foul would have been given if I only breathed near him.

Then, as usual, every clearance from one of my crosses or corners fell perfectly to Carroll despite him being surrounded by 4 or more of my defenders. He has super quick reactions. Even when he is facing away from the ball he manages to turn full speed and get there before my players who were facing in the correct direction to start with.

The player switching is awful. I've lost count of the number of times it has switched to a player far away from a loose ball when I've had a player right by it, leaving the cpu unchallenged to just pick it up and launch one of the famous counter attacks, with perfect passing and control no matter how skilled the players are.

This is happening with pretty much every game. I can appreciate some of the good things the game does, dont get me wrong, but this year is severely testing my patience.

 

[Ern Dog]

Is the shooting really that random for you guys? I have had a few occasions where its will be radically different from what I have input but it is few and far between. I would of thought that the passing and player switching would recieve alot more critisism than it does, these are far worse than the shooting.

 

[ftgpete]

Just been on the WNEB forums for the first time in a while and can't believe how negative that place has gone, there are so many people criticizing the game that I don't think Adam can ban them all like he usually does when people criticize the game as he'll have no forum left. Looks like even the most positive fans have had enough and I can't blame them, blind faith can only get you so far.

While I think PES 2011 was a flawed game, I still enjoyed it immensely, ML off and online was fun and I played a whole career in Be a Legend and loved it. The only things that really annoyed me were the catch up bug which did my head in when my BAL player had 90 acceleration and sprint speed yet got caught up by Titus Bramble. The shooting under pressure was ridiculous, a player leans on your shoulder and your player loses all power and kicks it to row Z. All players turned as slow as Heskey, way too heavy. Keepers were average, not terrible but they parried it away far too much.


But they have really outdone themselves now, ML is a joke, players moaning over not being played even though they have no energy left and young kids demanding playing time. It's became a whinge fest. Speed merchant has ruined online, dribbling was crap in 2011 so online people had to pass to create chances but it produced great matches. Not the case anymore, everyone has speed merchants in their team and if they have Ronaldo and Messi you are practically screwed. It's now became Fifa online where the player with the best skills wins. At least their keepers don't get rounded around easily like the retarded keepers in this game. I'm truly baffled people think goal keepers have gotten better, I like the 2 demos but the keepers were diabolical, only think I hated. I never had goal keepers in 2011 dive over back passes or jump on soft crosses and the ball deflects off their bum into the back of the net.

Passing and shooting feels so light, everyone complains about the inconsistent directions of their shots and passes which I understand but I hate the weight of the ball. Feels like I'm kicking a balloon and I can't power a shot into the bottom corner anymore. I don't get that satisfying feeling as I use to with PES games.

The bugs are worse in this game then 2012 somehow, the catch up bug still is there despite Konami saying it was gone. The lock on glitch is still there, players ducking when it comes to crosses, cursor switching all the time, defenders moving out of the way for the AI striker to have a free shot on goal. Actually the last one is probably scripting, which is also terrible in this game, 9 men defending and you having 80% possession but one misplaced pass equals a boot up the field where no matter how much you super cancel, your 6'5 defender will get beaten in the air by a 5'4 striker who will head it to the winger and will skin your whole defence and then round your keeper off for an easy goal. Defending in the demo needed improvement but I felt I could have control in the tackles, in the retail version I've had perfect tackles performed only to see in the reply the ball went through my defenders foot!


I've never been frustrated by a PES game in my life, I just find no redeemable features in this game while in the other EPS games I found something I could love. I've played this game over a month but traded it for Battlefield 3 which has been amazing, maybe I should have given PES 2012 more time but with all these great games coming out which they actually worked hard on, I can't see why I should do the same with PES 2012.



I've played PES since PES 3 and this is definitely the last time I will buy this game on release, the only reason why I bought it this time on release was because PES 2011 was a decent game and no video stores have it for me to rent. I unfortuently believed all the hype and the demo's impressed me and sold me. I became a victim of their PR work once again but not anymore. If they want my hard earned money they will have to earn it but I highly doubt it, it will be the same smoke and mirros from Konami for PES 13. PES 13 will still have terrible commentary, cheating AI, terrible sound, same editing modes, terrible music, terrible gameplay, terrible animations.

But hey, it will have some more zany cutscenes and haircuts you can see which will make you LMAO

 

[Expander]

The amount of used copys of pes2012 that now frequent the shelfs of any games shop speaks volumes.

Add to that the in-fighting and civil wars that are starting to take place on almost every forum is staggering.Its all getting a little bit bitty,and even the most mild mannered of people are starting to resort to personel attacks and insults to justify there points(im just as guilty).

On one hand you have the people that claim the games flaws are deliberate and some kind of intentional design to create the realism of a football match,and on the over theres people like myself that think the flaws lie with the tech and the core of the game,its makeup,and arent design choices.

Weve gone from interesting discussions and debates,that are healthy and a good read,to the dam right ugly.Dirty trick tactics that the media use,ie taking people out of context,twisting there words and comments,and taking the moral high ground.

I dont very often agree with adam on wenb,but hes right the community now is fractured and split into two completely different polls that are starting to conflict.The negative side far aways those who are positive,so somethings definetly wrong.

 

[Pere Ubu]

On one hand you have the people that claim the games flaws are deliberate and some kind of intentional design to create the realism of a football match,and on the over theres people like myself that think the flaws lie with the tech and the core of the game,its makeup,and arent design choices.

Not everything's black and white, for God's sake. Some of the "flaws" as you see them are indeed design choices (e.g. wayward shots when heavily pressured, these were in 2011 as well and they're clearly supposed to be there, even if the idea is not particularly well executed). Others are obviously the result of tech limitations or sloppy coding, and I think we all know that - it's just that some of us can put up with them because we enjoy the game overall, others can't because they don't.

Weve gone from interesting discussions and debates,that are healthy and a good read,to the dam right ugly.Dirty trick tactics that the media use,ie taking people out of context,twisting there words and comments,and taking the moral high ground.

Yeah, how on earth did that happen, eh?

 

[Polter2k_2k8]

I have a million and one issues with the game but funnily enough shooting isn't one of them. If I aim left, it goes left. Aiming needs to be done using the stick in a more pronounced way this year.

Now if I can just get my player into a position to actually have a shot at goal, I may start to score some goals!

+10000000

No problem with shooting...