The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

[Expander]

I was a bit hard on lami for creating this thread,however,he was right.Its a one stop shop for all the moaners including myself and also one of the best reads your find on any pes forum.

Dont go anywhere else konami this will give you all the bad feedback your need.OH,and apologies lami your a clever stick.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Argh another 90th minute goal conceded, and again it's due to that frickin' animation lock up problem. The CPU tries to chip a little lofted through ball over Palmieri's head but it actually goes straight towards his head, so I charge the power bar, the power bar just stays there, Palmieri doesn't do anything, his animation 'locks' into him running almost on auto pilot and I can't control his direction, he just meanders back ignoring the ball and player, but the best part is, while the power bar has somehow lagged and isn't registering that I told him to head the ball away, he then actively DUCKS underneath the ball (which was chipped right onto his head) and it lands in the path of the CPU striker, who lashes an unstoppable shot into the corner. 90th minute, game lost.

What am I doing wrong? I contained this team easily for 90 minutes, then right with the last kick this weird power bar bug happens for the umpteenth time and loses me yet another game. I don't know what I'm doing wrong to make the game do this, can't think of anyone else ever mentioning it

But with these last minute goals, they can't be a coincidence. I rarely concede in any other time than the final five minutes of a game.

 

[Expander]

Argh another 90th minute goal conceded, and again it's due to that frickin' animation lock up problem. The CPU tries to chip a little lofted through ball over Palmieri's head but it actually goes straight towards his head, so I charge the power bar, the power bar just stays there, Palmieri doesn't do anything, his animation 'locks' into him running almost on auto pilot and I can't control his direction, he just meanders back ignoring the ball and player, but the best part is, while the power bar has somehow lagged and isn't registering that I told him to head the ball away, he then actively DUCKS underneath the ball (which was chipped right onto his head) and it lands in the path of the CPU striker, who lashes an unstoppable shot into the corner. 90th minute, game lost.

What am I doing wrong? I contained this team easily for 90 minutes, then right with the last kick this weird power bar bug happens for the umpteenth time and loses me yet another game. I don't know what I'm doing wrong to make the game do this, can't think of anyone else ever mentioning it

But with these last minute goals, they can't be a coincidence. I rarely concede in any other time than the final five minutes of a game.

Stop torturing yourself bro,you aint doing anything wrong,this games broken full stop.

 

[Deluxe]

Stop torturing yourself bro,you aint doing anything wrong,this games broken full stop.

+1 The game is programmed to do this kind of last minutes goal. It's inevitable.

The magic random situations were every match was to die for are gone my friends.

 

[P34SEMM]

Master league.

What f*** have konami done here?
I've had Diego ask to change his number three times in a month.
I've had players asking for a rest after one game.
Konami have turned the Master League into a whinge fest.
Also the player exhange on transfers needs to come back.
It worked brilliantly before so why change it?

Also re keepers someone said that they make to many saves from standing positions and I agree with that. In FIFA the keeper looks like he is watching the game. Not a redundant robot that springs into life.
Sometimes the dives are way over the top when a simple sidestep and bringing the ball into the chest will do.
Keepers really do need a lot of work for pes13.
I scored a belter last night but upon the replay the keepers dive was uterly crazy. It can only be described as that he jumped up in the air and did a "?" shape in mid air. Mad.

 

[Robbery]

@LTFC

Just a question. If you know that the CPU scores a lot of goals in the last 2-3 minutes (and between 40-45 minutes of a game), how come you give them the ball then?

If 85 minutes are played. Take the draw, hold the ball and nothing can happen. I don't give the ball away anymore in the last 3-4 minutes, shortly before halftime or before the end of a game. They used to score a lot of goals between 40-45 m. against me but after i realized it happens to often i just denied them the ball. It is that easy.

You have more then enough time to score, you don't need to attack the last 2-3 minutes (if it is not necessary because you are losing or desperately need a goal). In real football teams are taking care of the ball at the end of a game, not taking any risk at all, if it is not necessary.

Give it a try and you will see, this problem will disappear. 100 left for you but this one not.

 

[P34SEMM]

Konami fail again and treat 360 users like dogsh*t

Patch 1.02 Unavailable in Latin America

The latest patch for PES 2012 is currently unavailable for Xbox 360 users in some parts of Latin America. Players from countries including Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay are all reporting the problem.

Apparently, the issue has been caused by the new 1.02 update.

Not for the first time, the problem seems to be only affecting those on Xbox 360. There appears to be no issues on the PC and PS3.

Konami have stated that they are working with Microsoft, trying to find a solution, but have also admitted that they do not know when the situation will be fixed.

Source.

 

[Robbery]

The game is programmed to do this kind of last minutes goal. It's inevitable.

Really that is crazy. It is so easy to take care of the ball in this game, because the CPU don't pressure you a lot. If they don't have the ball they can't score. So just take care of the ball in the last minutes of a game, keep in mind that every counterattack could kill you and that there is no time left at all for a comeback.

If you still trying to score in the last 2-3 minutes you have to keep that in mind and think twice about every pass you make. If you still trying to score, change your tactic and make sure that only a few players of your team going to attack. Don't take any risk at all if it's not necessary.

Really,inevitable. Come on. They don' score late goals against me at all, since i take even more care of the ball at the end of a game. All you have to do is not giving the ball away in the last minutes. That is all.

 

[Ern Dog]

I have had the thing where your CB ducks under the ball, mine ducked under a shot that ended up going in. This also happened in 2011 along with a load of other issues I had that made their way into 2012.

I agree with Expander, its not worth playing the game if things like this wind you up, they arent going to go away. I havnt touched the game for 2 weeks and I come here every morning and lunch time to remind myself why. Its an unfinished game, just like last year.

 

[pj_puttz]

Master league.

What f*** have konami done here?
I've had Diego ask to change his number three times in a month.
I've had players asking for a rest after one game.
Konami have turned the Master League into a whinge fest.

I have to admit I laughed out loud at that post mate, but only because I totally feel your pain!

Once again Konami have implemented incidental, meaningless shit to the detriment of the actual gameplay. In trying to make the game more realistic with those annoying cut scenes they have only succeeded in making it a lot less realistic. Now the players are idiots off the park as well as on it.

FFS ditch the background crap and concentrate on the glaring problems ON the pitch! No one will give a toss if there are absolutely ZERO cut scenes or refs or linesmen or cameramen or groundsmen or any of that SHIT so long as THE ACTUAL GAMEPLAY IS SOUND.

Their current strategy is the equivalent of a relegation threatened football manager whistling as he puts up his office Xmas decorations in October while the fans and entire first team squad burn effigies of him outside the ground chanting "OUT! OUT! OUT!"

WAKE UP KONAMI!

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

I haven't played PES 6 so I can't compare how good the keepers were back then unfortunately. And I never said the keepers on PES 12 are great. Yes FIFA 12 and previous PES editions may have great keepers, but just because PES 12 isn't up to that standard it doesn't make the whole game unplayable, which is what a lot of people imply!!

The same with animations - not being up the standard of FIFA doesn't mean they're gamebreaking.

It's about what you focus I'm finding. FIFA looks great but there's something about it which bores me really quickly. PES has things which can be frustrating but the overall gameplay is enjoyable. If it truly was not enjoyable you guys wouldn't be here, nor would you have bought the game. You must find SOMETHING positive on that disc?

I've played and owned all the FIFA's and only played/owned PES 11 and PES 12 so I'm no fanboy. But having something pop up in a game of PES doesn't have to get your veins bulging at the neck. You live with it and roll with the punches. If it's really that bad trade in the game like some of you have done. There's things in FIFA which annoy me - I don't sit there breaking my controller though. I swear and move onto the next game lol.

 

[pj_puttz]

Calcio we get it, you are willing to accept this game's many faults and somehow still gain some sort of enjoyment from it.

That's fine. Great. Really.

However, this thread is entitled "Not happy with PES 2012" so please stop seeming so shocked when you come to a thread with a title like that to find people complaining about what they cant stand in PES 2012.

This is the venting thread, we're not here to discuss the positives! There are plenty of other threads where people wax lyrical about the wonder that is PES 2012 but that's not what THIS thread is for.

If you dont like reading comments from people slagging off this game why do you keep coming back here? You're not going to change our minds and we're obviously not going to change yours.

A lot of us, myself included, have given up with this game. It has let us down badly this year and we're here to talk about that. We want PES to be better than it is and we hope that maybe, just maybe, someone somewhere with some clout at Konami will read what we have to say and do something about it.

If we all just "roll with the punches" and accept whatever crap Konami throws our way every October we'll still be dealing with the same old bugs and glitches during PES 2020. We dont want that.

If you're happy to accept it good for you but a lot of people are not and THAT is why they are on this thread complaining about the game.

I dont see why that's so hard for you to understand.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Yeah we can all just move on to the next game, and I let in my fair share of late goals, or dodgy goals, in PES2011. I didn't mind that much because I also got my fair share. I'm not finding that in PES2012. The amount of last gasp goals the CPU manages to score is astonishing, and beyond credibility.

@Robbo, so you're suggesting just playing keep ball for the last 5 minutes of every game, running down the clock to prevent it? Even if you're drawing? Fair enough if that's what gets you through the game, but if I'm drawing and at home then I want to go for it and try to get a winning goal. I don't want to 'manage' the game's AI deficiencies by knocking the ball around at the back and wasting time just to see out the last 5 minutes. Not every occasion calls for you to see out a draw. But that's not even to say I go all out attack, I don't, I mostly keep things as they are when seeking a winner, mindful that I need to keep my team shape and balanced or else I WILL get punished on the counter. Not that it matters, all the CPU had with the instance I mentioned was to regain the ball just once, then hit a long through ball over the top. I can't stop the AI punting a long ball down field, but then I couldn't make my player kick the ball even when the command had taken place to do so. And the finish was also ridiculous to be honest. Their one strike on target all match, in the 90th minute, and it reminded me of that famous Van Basten wonder goal from the 1980's. All with a D2 standard player. Granted, even the worst player can pull something crazy out of the bag on occasion, but the AI doesn't seem that bothered by it's players' own lack of decent stats when attacking. Most of them finish like a world beater.

Lots of bugs have worked their way through from 2011, and some actually feel worse, which is baffling. How did the people at Konami objectively sit down and look at every little thing that annoys, then not resolve to fix them?

From button lag, animation lock ups, cursor switching issues, goalkeepers, players auto 'ducking' under the ball when they really, really shouldn't, and the total irrelevance stamina has on the CPU, to collision detection with fouls (which I still see as awful - I still frequently concede fouls when I'M the one carrying the ball, and the AI clips ME with a trailing leg!). They've all wormed their way back into the game again, and somehow it's even more noticeable this time around.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Master league.

What f*** have konami done here?
I've had Diego ask to change his number three times in a month.
I've had players asking for a rest after one game.
Konami have turned the Master League into a whinge fest.
Also the player exhange on transfers needs to come back.
It worked brilliantly before so why change it?

Yeah I had massive hopes for FL, and there are some fantastic ideas in there. But it's simply not been done properly.

I've had;

- players also insist their number changes more than once
- Burchet came to my office complaining he wasn't playing when I'd dropped him for one game, to rest him. I then picked him for the next match, then he comes to my office again complaining that I'm running him ragged and he's knackered and consequently low on morale. Eh?
- The training system is basic and completely flawed. You can't specify cards to train for, cater for individuals, or even do one type of training at any one time. Why? Do Barcelona just do one type of fitness training for an entire week and then half their players actively get worse in other areas, in just one week?
- Form is bonkers. My player gets upset, his form arrow is yellow. I resolve it, he states how happy he is, then for three consecutive weeks his arrow is on purple. So I drop him and he comes back moaning that he's been dropped.
- The chairman sets a challenge to play Schwarz. I got to select him, and he's also on purple. Great. Piss off the chairman or play a dud. So I mediate between the two, give him a bit of game time in which he was naturally terrible (58 rated player on a purple arrow = not very good!) and the chairman praises how 'special' the player is......
- a player comes to my office to state how pleasantly surprised he was to get the full 90 minutes, and his name in the squad list has a beaming smile next to him, so the next match he's either blue or purple......
- games seem to swing from most players being on green/yellow/red arrows at once, to then following up a good win with 90% of the team and squad ALL being on blue/purple. In PES2011 you could fix this with a coach who'd 'coach' form into them, but now it barely seems to work because they're all so busy getting upset that it renders it useless.

The list is endless.

 

[Jamezinho]

Back in the day we didn't need this soap opera of cut-scenes and player requests when playing master league. I used my imagination to fill in the blanks and create my own stories.

 

[pj_puttz]

Back in the day we didn't need this soap opera of cut-scenes and player requests when playing master league. I used my imagination to fill in the blanks and create my own stories.

Exactly mate.

They should fix the major game play issues before they even think about adding crap like cut-scenes etc. into this game.

If it turns out there isn't enough time left to add things like that then who gives a damn? I dont know anyone who would refuse to buy a top notch football sim simply because it lacked cut-scenes or because there was no ref on the pitch or because they didn't have the option of swapping the ball for a penguin's head or some other such bizarre shit.

 

[Expander]

I could live with pes2012s dated animation system,presentation,sound,physics if the gameplay was spot on but it isnt and this is the sole reason i traded in the game.

I doubt there isnt a person on this thread that feels any differently.We are not graphic,animation and presentation whores.This is the irony of pes2012,it might not be up to fifas standard of presentaion but what was always its trump card is so broken,so messed up and like pulling teeth to play.Do some people just not get this.

Yes i want to see a quantum shift in the technology that WEPs uses in the future but i would of settled for demo1s gameplay or a polished version of pes2011 that wasnt like wrestling a artic truck or playing in treacle like pes2011 was at times.

Konami screwed up big time this year and they have lied to and cheated there fanbase for to long.Even next year who is going to have any faith that the final game isnt screwed up from the beta and demo stages to final release.

Pes2013 is going to have to be MEGATRON.Weps havent got a good reputation anymore its in tatters.You cant live off past glorys for ever,theyve become a laughing stock within the industry and amongst many of there fans.Pes2012 is bad joke.

This continued attack of fifa by people defending pes2012 is a totally anally retentive argument,theres not a pes fan on here that cant see the gameplay of eas game doesnt hold a torch to WEPS at its best.However there lies the problem,there best came over 5 years ago.In this industry your only as good as your last game,its that fickle.This year had to be the year they got it right,because i dont even have one ounce of faith in them anymore.Like i have said previously this is the first time in twenty years i wont be playing a football game,thats shocking.

At my time of life i should be playing the football game i dreamed about over 10 years ago,something that represents the technology and vision of todays programmers,instead over the last 5 years ive been playing something thats inferior to konamis games 15 years ago.

If you cant get inspired to push the boundaries of gaming with the technology we have today,just stop making games and retire.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

Yeah I had massive hopes for FL, and there are some fantastic ideas in there. But it's simply not been done properly.

I've had;

- Burchet came to my office complaining he wasn't playing when I'd dropped him for one game, to rest him. I then picked him for the next match, then he comes to my office again complaining that I'm running him ragged and he's knackered and consequently low on morale. Eh?

LOL!

Pes2013 is going to have to be MEGATRON.Weps havent got a good reputation anymore its in tatters.You cant live off past glorys for ever,theyve become a laughing stock within the industry and amongst many of there fans.Pes2012 is bad joke.

The thing is tons and tons of people LOVE the game, it gets 9 scores from the likes of WENB and PESfan and hundreds of people on their forums love the game so really this years game is a MEGATRON game that Konami had hoped for. We old school PES guys that loved the gameplay are still living in the past and dont want/like this new style PES.

I think it's time we realized we are never going to have PES the way we like it again and the newer gamers and gamers new to PES this is an amazing game for them the same way PES was amazing for us on Snes, PS1 & PS2.

Unless we change then i dont think PES is right for us anymore.

 

[Expander]

LOL!




The thing is tons and tons of people LOVE the game, it gets 9 scores from the likes of WENB and PESfan and hundreds of people on their forums love the game so really this years game is a MEGATRON game that Konami had hoped for. We old school PES guys that loved the gameplay are still living in the past and dont want/like this new style PES.

I think it's time we realized we are never going to have PES the way we like it again and the newer gamers and gamers new to PES this is an amazing game for them the same way PES was amazing for us on Snes, PS1 & PS2.

Unless we change then i dont think PES is right for us anymore.

I dont want pes on the ps2 again,because thats what we have now just more broken and splintered.I want a football game that better represents the technology of today,something that opens my eyes again to the possibilities of the future.Failing that something that just works like it should.

If anything im bored with playing the same game,because thats what it is just remixed.I can piss all over the cpu on top player and superstar because i know how to cheat the cpu at its own game.Its just not balanced nor is it really that smart a game.People make out pes2012 is deep and tactical,its not,its basic and primitive.Maths sub rountine.Anyone can play it well theres no real learning curve,its as pick up and play as fifa,and people stating any different are kidding themselves.

How is pes2008,09,10,11,12 really any different then pes on the ps2,they might not be as polished or as fluid but fundamentally its still the same 8-axis passing and shooting game with d-pad mechanics.Dont be fooled by all this 360 movement and freedom of passing and shooting bull konamis marketing dept has been churning out for two years now.The cpu is still calling the shots and dictating the outcomes.

Its clever coding tricks and illusion which people are starting to see through now but its been this way for ten years.Games arent built like there were 10 years ago.But WEPS still do.

Jon murphy said pes2012 was a new era for pes,what a load of bull.They just tacked on ISS on the n64s ai system but it doesnt work within the confines and rails of PES.It was a easy fix to pes2011s problems but it backfired,just like adding more freedom of movement resulted in the mess that was pes2011.There not really re-building each year there just trying to get old tech to do something it was never meant to do,thus we the consumer have to endure the same broken mess each year that has small glimpses of magic,with scripting to balance the weaknessess of the code.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

I dont want pes on the ps2 again,because thats what we have now just more broken and splintered.I want a football game that better represents the technology of today,something that opens my eyes again to the possibilities of the future.Failing that something that just works like it should.

If anything im bored with playing the same game,because thats what it is just remixed.I can piss all over the cpu on top player and superstar because i know how to cheat the cpu at its own game.Its just not balanced nor is it really that smart a game.People make out pes2012 is deep and tactical,its not,its basic and primitive.Maths sub rountine.Anyone can play it well there no real learning curve its as pick up and play as fifa,and people stating any different are kidding themselves.

Yeah dont get me wrong i dont want PES PS2 i want a nxt-gen game with great graphics and animations with FLAWLESS FUN gameplay that we can play for a FULL year like it was on PS2.

I agree it's pick up and play like Fifa infact to me it's more aimed at the casual market than Fifa now as anyone can pick it up and play amazing football while Fifa's defending system is really separating the men from the boys.

 

[Expander]

Yeah dont get me wrong i dont want PES PS2 i want a nxt-gen game with great graphics and animations with FLAWLESS FUN gameplay that we can play for a FULL year like it was on PS2.

I agree it's pick up and play like Fifa infact to me it's more aimed at the casual market than Fifa now as anyone can pick it up and play amazing football while Fifa's defending system is really separating the men from the boys.

fifa12s defending system is a real plus,holding the line and marking space,i even liked the shooting and long passing and crossing on manual.

What i dont like about fifa12 though is the ugly player models in replays and close ups,the skatie nature of the players and i just tire of the gameplay really quickly especially against the cpu,its to A to B.Its more enjoyable against mates but for me i prefered fifa world cup 2010.Ea struck gold with that game,it might of been a tad on the fast side and a little more geared towards fun,but it still had depth and complexity,and is very underated imo.

However,the control you have in fifa is sublime,it might cause the pes crowd groomed on automation and simple control mechanics to spit feathers but pes needs this with a nice balance of animation individuality and ai rather then stats dictating outcomes.Its a old system thats seen its day and theres viable alternatives.

If a developer could bring out a game that has the right balance of what fifa does well with that old PES and ISS feeling then PES would be dead in the water.People only remain loyal becuase they have there reservations with fifa.

Fifa is actually more like ISS on the n64,it has the depth of control but still lacks the alchemy that,that great series had.

Iss/perfect striker on the n64 is very underated and considered more arcade like then pes,a common misconception when those games were the deepest and most simulated football games ever made.I remember controlling both players on one-twos and releasing the ball at will,striking the ball at different points on the bounce to get different results.Really clever and very technical control mechanics,a real gamers and football players game that understood real footballing technique,you could even place and spot your crosses and shots.Pes is a different ideology,its micro a management game,your just a passenger to its stats and mechanics.

Konami had a real gem there and gold,if they could re-invent it with todays tech and animation and figure out a less exaggerated aftertouch system with better physics they would be on to a real winner.

 

[Robbery]

@LTFC

No Question the AI is really sharp this time. They are almost to perfect in scoring and imo much to efficient. They don't need a lot lot of chances and they punish every mistake you make. It can be very frustrating no doubt about that. But with this in mind you have to adapt and find solutions.

How many teams in the real game are going to attack in the last 2-4 minutes of the game? A very few only. Maybe the big ones. Bayern is famous for the last minutes goals, they almost try to score until the ref close the game.

I'm not saying you should stop trying to score in every game in the last 5 minutes. It depends on the situation. But if you are still attacking in the last minutes you should do it without taking any risk. Giving away the ball in the last minute of the game and get countered is unforgivable. Every Coach in real life would kill you. Don't blew it away if it's not necessary.

You know, we always want more of a sim gameplay, we are almost never satisfied. But on the other hand we want a simulation and play it like a videogame. All that matters is to score an win, even if the game is almost over.

Did you ever think about changing your tactic, if you are going to attack in the last minutes? Why not making a special taktic for closing out games? Why not putting up the pressure to 20 and let your CBs closely cover/mark the attacker (chose man-marking for your CBs and DMFs in your formation menu) in the last 5 minutes? Just to make sure your CBs are close enough to the attacker if you give the ball away.

The AI always counterattack the same way. The only striker is always waiting near the midfield line. Always. So why not cover/mark him closely and with high pressure with one CB and one DMF in the last 5 minutes? Let him get quard by two players, if you are still trying to attack. Use the tactical options and adapt your game. You know what is coming if they get a chance to counter you in the last minute.

All i can say is that i don't have this problem at all, after i adapt to it. Some times i take the draw, some times i still try to score but i don't take any risk. If i see a chance i take it, if not i simply hold the ball. I do have a special tactic with high pressure and close guarding (tactic 4) and play it in the last few minutes. All i can say is; don't play it like a videogame and you will not get punished by a lot of late goals.

That doesn't change some of the things you mention (they will still score 2 out of 4 chances) but the late goals are gone. You can stop it.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

@LTFC

No Question the AI is really sharp this time. They are almost to perfect in scoring and imo much to efficient. They don't need a lot lot of chances and they punish every mistake you make. It can be very frustrating no doubt about that. But with this in mind you have to adapt and find solutions.

How many teams in the real game are going to attack in the last 2-4 minutes of the game? A very few only. Maybe the big ones. Bayern is famous for the last minutes goals, they almost try to score until the ref close the game.

I'm not saying you should stop trying to score in every game in the last 5 minutes. It depends on the situation. But if you are still attacking in the last minutes you should do it without taking any risk. Giving away the ball in the last minute of the game and get countered is unforgivable. Every Coach in real life would kill you. Don't blew it away if it's not necessary.

You know, we always want more of a sim gameplay, we are almost never satisfied. But on the other hand we want a simulation and play it like a videogame. All that matters is to score an win, even if the game is almost over.

Did you ever think about changing your tactic, if you are going to attack in the last minutes? Why not making a special taktic for closing out games? Why not putting up the pressure to 20 and let your CBs closely cover/mark the attacker (chose man-marking for your CBs and DMFs in your formation menu) in the last 5 minutes? Just to make sure your CBs are close enough to the attacker if you give the ball away.

The AI always counterattack the same way. The only striker is always waiting near the midfield line. Always. So why not cover/mark him closely and with high pressure with one CB and one DMF in the last 5 minutes? Let him get quard by two players, if you are still trying to attack. Use the tactical options and adapt your game. You know what is coming if they get a chance to counter you in the last minute.

All i can say is that i don't have this problem at all, after i adapt to it. Some times i take the draw, some times i still try to score but i don't take any risk. If i see a chance i take it, if not i simply hold the ball. I do have a special tactic with high pressure and close guarding (tactic 4) and play it in the last few minutes. All i can say is; don't play it like a videogame and you will not get punished by a lot of late goals.

That doesn't change some of the things you mention (they will still score 2 out of 4 chances) but the late goals are gone. You can stop it.

That's some useful advice Any chance of finding out what those settings are when you close out the game?

 

[leandropuc86]

Really that is crazy. It is so easy to take care of the ball in this game, because the CPU don't pressure you a lot. If they don't have the ball they can't score. So just take care of the ball in the last minutes of a game, keep in mind that every counterattack could kill you and that there is no time left at all for a comeback.

If you still trying to score in the last 2-3 minutes you have to keep that in mind and think twice about every pass you make. If you still trying to score, change your tactic and make sure that only a few players of your team going to attack. Don't take any risk at all if it's not necessary.

Really,inevitable. Come on. They don' score late goals against me at all, since i take even more care of the ball at the end of a game. All you have to do is not giving the ball away in the last minutes. That is all.

That's what I do aswell and I conceded two goals in four games. They weren't at stoppage time so yeah, that makes sense. Doesnt take away from the problem that the CPU is programmed to do that AS LONG as they have the ball, which is utterly ridiculous.

Some people just want to play the game freely and they have a right to do that. Not everyone want to pass the hell out of the ball from 80 minutes on just so they can win a game. One alternative is scoring more than one goal, of course.

Even so, it's undeniable that the game cheats on people on Top Player. Scripting all over the place.

 

[Robbery]

That's some useful advice Any chance of finding out what those settings are when you close out the game?

Yes of course. I will post a screenshot a little bit later.

 

[Robbery]

@LTFC

Just some quick screenshots from my game against Schalke.

This is my standard formation. I use this formation right at the start of a game.



This is my formation for the last minutes of the game.



Here you can see the man-marking i chose for this game.



As you can see my first CB Boateng is man-marking the only striker Marica.

My second CB is man-marking Holtby (he is playing as AMF) and my DMF Gustavo is man-marking Holtby too.

For the man-marking tactic i adjust the pressing slider at 20 (it is 12 normally), because i want my players marking/covering as close as possible.

Late in the game (Minute 80) i switch between my tactic 1 and tactic 4. I chose tactic 4 every time i come close to the opponent goal. If i give away the ball my CBs and DMFs are close to both schalke players. I chose a double man-marking at holtby because he will likely get the ball at first if schalke start a counterattack (they love to counterattack through the middle). I put pressure on him even before he receive the ball.

You have to keep in mind that you need to adjust this kind of tactic game by game. If a team play with 2 strikers you need to adjust. If they come with 2 AMF you need to adjust.

Of course there is no need to play with 2 DMF. It is up to you to find a working tactic for the last minutes of the game. Imo the formation is not the key, smart man-marking and high pressure is what stops quick counter attacks. But you still need to react fast and see what is coming and the best way to defend is not giving the ball away. That works 100% every time.

I'm honest here. I would not tell you "i don't have this problem" if it wouldn't be true. AI don't score a lot of late goals against me anymore. I have adapt and it is not a problem at all anymore.

 

[P34SEMM]

Stick a fork in me I think I'm done with this game......again.

First group game in the Europa and my keeper falls over a back pass and for some reason tries to slide to clear it. Misses it. Gets up and collides with a post and a forward has a tap in.

2nd half AI gets down byline and drills ball along the six yard box. Keeper misses it but no fear as my defender is on the line to save me. Just as I go to control him the cursor disappears and I have lost all control. The same forward that was gifted a first goal in comical circumstances then helps himself to another in the same way.

I lose 2-0 - both goals not my fault.

Joke of a game.

 

[Deluxe]

Stick a fork in me I think I'm done with this game......again.

First group game in the Europa and my keeper falls over a back pass and for some reason tries to slide to clear it. Misses it. Gets up and collides with a post and a forward has a tap in.

2nd half AI gets down byline and drills ball along the six yard box. Keeper misses it but no fear as my defender is on the line to save me. Just as I go to control him the cursor disappears and I have lost all control. The same forward that was gifted a first goal in comical circumstances then helps himself to another in the same way.

I lose 2-0 - both goals not my fault.

Joke of a game.

Don't be so hard on you, the game is broken.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

Stick a fork in me I think I'm done with this game......again.

First group game in the Europa and my keeper falls over a back pass and for some reason tries to slide to clear it. Misses it. Gets up and collides with a post and a forward has a tap in.

2nd half AI gets down byline and drills ball along the six yard box. Keeper misses it but no fear as my defender is on the line to save me. Just as I go to control him the cursor disappears and I have lost all control. The same forward that was gifted a first goal in comical circumstances then helps himself to another in the same way.

I lose 2-0 - both goals not my fault.

Joke of a game.

It's odd that some of us are having issues with the keepers yet others think they are brilliant and are true to real life.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

@LTFC

Just some quick screenshots from my game against Schalke.

This is my standard formation. I use this formation right at the start of a game.



This is my formation for the last minutes of the game.



Here you can see the man-marking i chose for this game.



As you can see my first CB Boateng is man-marking the only striker Marica.

My second CB is man-marking Holtby (he is playing as AMF) and my DMF Gustavo is man-marking Holtby too.

For the man-marking tactic i adjust the pressing slider at 20 (it is 12 normally), because i want my players marking/covering as close as possible.

Late in the game (Minute 80) i switch between my tactic 1 and tactic 4. I chose tactic 4 every time i come close to the opponent goal. If i give away the ball my CBs and DMFs are close to both schalke players. I chose a double man-marking at holtby because he will likely get the ball at first if schalke start a counterattack (they love to counterattack through the middle). I put pressure on him even before he receive the ball.

You have to keep in mind that you need to adjust this kind of tactic game by game. If a team play with 2 strikers you need to adjust. If they come with 2 AMF you need to adjust.

Of course there is no need to play with 2 DMF. It is up to you to find a working tactic for the last minutes of the game. Imo the formation is not the key, smart man-marking and high pressure is what stops quick counter attacks. But you still need to react fast and see what is coming and the best way to defend is not giving the ball away. That works 100% every time.

I'm honest here. I would not tell you "i don't have this problem" if it wouldn't be true. AI don't score a lot of late goals against me anymore. I have adapt and it is not a problem at all anymore.

Thanks so much for taking the time to post these! It's really useful. I'll give them a try at some point over the next few days and let you know how they turn out