The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

[CalcioCalabrese]

Calcio we get it, you are willing to accept this game's many faults and somehow still gain some sort of enjoyment from it.

That's fine. Great. Really.

However, this thread is entitled "Not happy with PES 2012" so please stop seeming so shocked when you come to a thread with a title like that to find people complaining about what they cant stand in PES 2012.

This is the venting thread, we're not here to discuss the positives! There are plenty of other threads where people wax lyrical about the wonder that is PES 2012 but that's not what THIS thread is for.

If you dont like reading comments from people slagging off this game why do you keep coming back here? You're not going to change our minds and we're obviously not going to change yours.

A lot of us, myself included, have given up with this game. It has let us down badly this year and we're here to talk about that. We want PES to be better than it is and we hope that maybe, just maybe, someone somewhere with some clout at Konami will read what we have to say and do something about it.

If we all just "roll with the punches" and accept whatever crap Konami throws our way every October we'll still be dealing with the same old bugs and glitches during PES 2020. We dont want that.

If you're happy to accept it good for you but a lot of people are not and THAT is why they are on this thread complaining about the game.

I dont see why that's so hard for you to understand.

I was responding to some posts directed at me the other day. I haven't been in a couple of days so I was writing back.

I come back here because some of the discussion could easily be in the PES 12 discussion thread and some of it is worth discussing. I also think some (not all) of the complaints are either misunderstood aspects of the game or blown out of proportion - so don't get upset if I'm calling people out on some issues.

Yes, there are lots of things that aren't perfect or can be improved a LOT, but pointless venting with the same blaze throwaway lines every week does NOTHING to improve the game, even if someone with clout at Konami was reading this.

Everyone's a victim aren't they. Generally in life, people love to take the blame away and say its totally out of their hands. So excuse me for keeping people honest, but I'm entitled to counter discuss points in here, just like you're entitled to dislike the game but still come here and vent about it.

Comments in here that don't use logic or valid examples should be taken as venting, I "get it" but I'd really hate for someone to take on board comments based on venting - as opposed to well thought out critiques that are valid areas of improvement and can help the game be all people want it to be.

So if you really want to get that game you're after, how about doing some hard work and detailing with articulation, what you want improved. or maybe you do just like to come here and blow steam and don't care if Konami fix things they THINK people are complaining about...

 

[P34SEMM]

I think what's so frustrating is that there are parts of the game that when they click they do so brilliantly and rival footie games can't match that pes magic.

Trouble is, for every bit of magic and fun created there are several flaws, glitches, bugs and annoyances that make you forget about the magic and fun in an instant.

Take 2 goals I conceded above. The first one happened after 2 mins. Straight away I then hate the game again.
Second half starts and I start enjoying it again as I'm putting some good moves together and everything seems fine. Then I concede the 2nd goal from my above post and it ruins my game. I lose 0-2 but the 2 goals weren't my fault. The game got taken out of my hands.

Last night was the first time I ever turned pes after just 1 game.

 

[pj_puttz]

I was responding to some posts directed at me the other day. I haven't been in a couple of days so I was writing back.

I come back here because some of the discussion could easily be in the PES 12 discussion thread and some of it is worth discussing. I also think some (not all) of the complaints are either misunderstood aspects of the game or blown out of proportion - so don't get upset if I'm calling people out on some issues.

Yes, there are lots of things that aren't perfect or can be improved a LOT, but pointless venting with the same blaze throwaway lines every week does NOTHING to improve the game, even if someone with clout at Konami was reading this.

Everyone's a victim aren't they. Generally in life, people love to take the blame away and say its totally out of their hands. So excuse me for keeping people honest, but I'm entitled to counter discuss points in here, just like you're entitled to dislike the game but still come here and vent about it.

Comments in here that don't use logic or valid examples should be taken as venting, I "get it" but I'd really hate for someone to take on board comments based on venting - as opposed to well thought out critiques that are valid areas of improvement and can help the game be all people want it to be.

So if you really want to get that game you're after, how about doing some hard work and detailing with articulation, what you want improved. or maybe you do just like to come here and blow steam and don't care if Konami fix things they THINK people are complaining about...

You make it sound like it's your mission on these forums to defend PES 2012. WHY?

Why do you care if people moan and bitch about PES 2012 on a thread specifically created for people to vent about why they dislike the game? That's what I dont understand.

Your comments about people being victims, keeping people honest and people misunderstanding the game are as bizarre as your "roll with the punches" comment in an earlier post. I fail to see how self-help bullshit buzzwords like that help people get past the multitude of bugs and flaws in this game.

Most of your posts are dedicated to explaining away the bugs many people have noticed or denying the existence of certain bugs altogether. I find this baffling when there are so many pages of people complaining about the same bugs and glitches over and over again. Why are you constantly trying to defend the indefensible? Do you love PES THAT much? If so your love is blind my friend.

There are plenty of concrete, verified examples of what people want fixed in these pages. Most posts are straight to the point and very articulate but if people just want to "blow steam" then why is that a problem for you? That's part of what this thread is for!

You'd hate for someone to take on board a simple venting comment but myself and I'm guessing mostly everyong else on this thread would REALLY HATE someone to take on board YOUR comments about the game being pretty much fantastic because then we'll all be stuck with another crap game next year! Comments like yours are far more damaging to PES than simple venting in my opinion because you imply there's very little wrong with the game when nothing could be further from the truth.

Of course you're entitled to come onto this thread and have your say, I have no problem with that. What I simply cannot understand is why you are so hell bent on defending this broken mess of a game you torture yourself by visiting the "not happy with PES 2012" thread again and again to do so.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

He comes to try to educate those less informed with regards to issues that wont exist once fully understood. Nothing new, its the same every year here to be honest.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

He comes to try to educate those less informed with regards to issues that wont exist once fully understood. Nothing new, its the same every year here to be honest.

Not just here, This year i have seen more people annoyed at PES on EVERY forum compared to usual, Those guys at WENB are the biggest fanboys on the planet and the majority of them aint happy with alot of them traded the game already. That to me speaks volumes.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

He comes to try to educate those less informed with regards to issues that wont exist once fully understood. Nothing new, its the same every year here to be honest.

This.

Thanks Jimmy.

As I said, it's great to read some people's complaints because sometimes - yes sometimes, they complain about an issue which someone else can explain to them is not really an issue but something they can address. Because after all, you want a better gameplay experience don't you? You're not just venting for the sake of it.

I have openly admitted that I'm aware of plenty of issues in the game. Again, I openly admit the game is far from perfect.

But as you said yourself - the same issues get bandied around for about 20 pages. Do you think someone at Konami would get past the 3rd or 4th page that starts to sound exactly the same. Especially with some people swaying their opinions after every match, day, week. And with some people not even having played the game or played very little of the game.

And as I said - I come to this thread because I feel some of the posts here blend in with the general discussion thread. I'm not just trolling to defend PES mate.

But I do stand by my comments or as you call them my catch phrases or whatever you said lol. How many times have I seen people post video's proving an issue exists, only to get shut down by a few people saying that it's partly their fault or that the particular keeping mistake was not a glitch but passable as a real life error.

So yes, I want PES to be much improved - but I don't want Konami focussing on issues that aren't as bad as people say or when people write off issues as wrong when maybe they just need some adjusting.

And AGAIN, I've admitted it's not perfect but I still enjoy the game overall, even if I see something come up in a game or games that doesn't seem right. That won't make Konami change anything but this is the game I have for this year so I'm going to make the most that I can and when the opportunities arise for more feedback, I'd like to think we can gather enough logical points here to filter back to Konami.

Unless I'm being too esoteric for your liking?

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

You make it sound like it's your mission on these forums to defend PES 2012. WHY?

...Of course you're entitled to come onto this thread and have your say, I have no problem with that. What I simply cannot understand is why you are so hell bent on defending this broken mess of a game you torture yourself by visiting the "not happy with PES 2012" thread again and again to do so.

This is why I write on this thread. Is the entire game broken and a mess? NO.

YES - it has many areas that need to come up to scratch.

But as some of us are finding, there are moments of pure joy (and moments of utter frustration). According to your comment/s though, the game is ALWAYS bad and ENTIRELY broken.

Im not defending the game blindly but do you honestly think there is not 1 good aspect to the game or gameplay? Honestly?

 

[P34SEMM]

Not just here, This year i have seen more people annoyed at PES on EVERY forum compared to usual, Those guys at WENB are the biggest fanboys on the planet and the majority of them aint happy with alot of them traded the game already. That to me speaks volumes.

They gave it 9/10.
Guy on there called Adam I think is a HUGE fanboy.
Loves it. Says its the best PES etc.
Never beleive a word that site says. Its so biased. They all get free copies and named in the booklet so they always give it a high score.

They do a podcast on there thats well worth a listen. One guy knows PES12 is a mess but cant really say. He said he didnt agree with the 9 and thought 8 was better but didnt really feel comfortable giving it 8 either.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

They gave it 9/10.
Guy on there called Adam I think is a HUGE fanboy.
Loves it. Says its the best PES etc.
Never beleive a word that site says. Its so biased. They all get free copies and named in the booklet so they always give it a high score.

They do a podcast on there thats well worth a listen. One guy knows PES12 is a mess but cant really say. He said he didnt agree with the 9 and thought 8 was better but didnt really feel comfortable giving it 8 either.

Yeah i was more talking about the people on the forums rather than Adam n Co. Although Adam n co lead those guys on a merry dance for a full year getting them over hyped which never helps. Who felt uncomfortable giving it an 8? And if that's the case then why not give it a 7 lol.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

That site does say the same thing every single year, I'll grant that.

Regarding Calcio's comments about giving constructive criticism, well, he has a point. On that thought, here are a few issues that for me are long, and by that, I mean loooooooooooong over due;

- keeper control. When your keeper has the ball, you only have a certain degree of control over him. You can instruct him to throw or kick, in a certain direction, but it's nowhere near the levels of control you have over the keeper in FIFA. In this area PES needs to borrow from EA. Countless times I'll try to make the keeper do a throw but he ignores it and boots it up the field. Similarly, if there's nothing on, you just want to keep hold of the ball and let the players take up position up the field before kicking. The game automatically makes your keeper kick the ball very quickly after taking hold of the ball, often giving it straight back to the CPU and before your players have even run back up to the halfway line, putting pressure back on your team again. Which, after about 10 years of this, still pisses me off.

- Refereeing/collision detection. I'm still occasionally dribbling with the ball at my feet, a CPU player clips me with his hand or something, suddenly the ref penalises ME for a free kick. It's happened when I'm through on goal, the AI defender makes marginal contact with the back of me, and somehow I'm penalised. When it stops a goalscoring chance, it's pretty rage inducing.

- Ball physics. Still not right, it's too slick and doesn't feel right.

- Keepers. 'Nuff said about that already really.

- AI formations. Ditto. I don't want to play every team who sit with a 9 man defence then score from slick four-pass breakaways. Not every time, no matter who I play.

- Animations. Again, been said already.

- Other problems linked to animations include button lag and 'lock up'. Pressing a button to do one thing occasionally results in a breakdown of communication from button to action somewhere along the line. They player locks into a certain direction and type of movement, you can't control him again until the game registers what you've done, which sometimes, is never. Other instances of that have included using the R2 button while dribbling, where your player randomly forgets the ball and overtakes it, or when you do the sideaways dribble and the player again occasionally locks into it and can't get out until he's tackled.

I think elminating this problem would reduce, for me, a huge number of instances when I concede a goal and it feels like the game's error has cost me a goal. If I choose not to clear the ball and lose a goal, fair enough, but repeatedly doing something only for the AI to ignore it isn't good enough.

- As ever, audio ruins a huge part of the experience. Commentary is wooden, and dialogue is lazily ported over from a direct Japanese translation meaning some sentences don't even make sense. Generic crowd sounds are fine, but team specific ones are TERRIBLE. They consist of placeholder loops of short sound samples, repeated over and over. Sound is too echoey, making it feel really dull compared to the roar of a hyped up crowd.

Answer? Get some proper sound design in. Get someone in the Europe office to specifically write relevant, up to date script and make it sound like John Champion is actually at the stadium, not reading the script in a broom cupboard.

- Graphics. Massive point for me, aside from animations, textures and resolution have taken massive steps backwards. Player models are smaller, less detailed, in fact everything now looks old and dated so a huge overhaul in resolution, lighting effects, detail etc is needed.

- FL. Great concept, entirely see where they are headed, and love the idea. They just need to make the mode more logical and less random, and please add some more user input into things like training, not just dealing on an almost daily basis with player moaning.

- Cursor switching. Still not fixed, I've conceded several goals already where the cursor randomly switches away from a player on the ball or from a defender about to make a challenge. I play on semi assisted cursor, and it still does it.

- Cameras need more customising options in terms of zoom, height, and angle.

- Replays need altering, or at least offer a wider variety of angles, eg. one with a free roaming camera you can manually move around. Similarly, little movie editing additions as, again, in FIFA, would be a lovely touch.

- Headers. I'm not seeing too much veriation in headers, seems a bit random. If they can make it more obvious that pressing the shoot bar at certain times, coupled with body position, will result in you ATTEMPTING either a glancing, downward or power header, then great. If you attempt a downward header but your player is not in the right body stance, say he's leaning back due to a cross not being in front of him, then that's your fault. I'd like to see that.

- Player movement. A compromise between PES2011 and 2012 is needed IMO. Players feel to light now, and reduces some of the differences between them. Others disagree on this though.

- Last but not least, this bizarre phenomenon in PES2012 where the CPU makes your player duck under the ball when it's approaching head/chest height. Why?? Again, I've let in numerous goals from the AI allowing my player to let the ball run past him. Sometimes, during a 'lock up' where I'd already told that player to head the ball away, power bar is charged, but he doesn't respond.

There. My issues with the game in a nutshell, hopefully it won't be read as moaning for the sake of it, but are improvements that I think would vastly improve next year's experience, or maybe on the next gen consoles.

 

[Deluxe]

He comes to try to educate those less informed with regards to issues that wont exist once fully understood. Nothing new, its the same every year here to be honest.

Sure, since the cursed year when PES 2008 was released. I'm pretty sure that on the PS1 and PS2 PES versions, this huge quantity of people posting "not happy" things never existed. And much of them play PES since it was born.

I haven't played PES 6 so I can't compare how good the keepers were back then unfortunately.

It's funny you're defending this crap of a game and you never played PES 6, and maybe any other great versions of PES games before 2008. So what are you doing here defending the game and discussing with people that i'm pretty sure, they have played PES all they life and have a pretty much bigger picture of the game than yours.

 

[pj_puttz]

This is why I write on this thread. Is the entire game broken and a mess? NO.

YES - it has many areas that need to come up to scratch.

But as some of us are finding, there are moments of pure joy (and moments of utter frustration). According to your comment/s though, the game is ALWAYS bad and ENTIRELY broken.

Im not defending the game blindly but do you honestly think there is not 1 good aspect to the game or gameplay? Honestly?

Let me tell you how bad I think the game is in the most simple terms possible. For the first time EVER I have stopped playing the most recent release of PES just a few weeks after it's release date. The game hasn't been in my machine for about a week now. Does that explain to you how I feel about this game?

In my and many others opinion the game is simply unplayable, it is not enjoyable to play because it is broken. How many posts have you seen here saying "I'm done with this game"? It's not just me and people on this forum who think the game is broken, Konami themselves have released TWO major patches already which speaks volumes regarding what they themselves think of the original code they asked us to pay £40 for.

A lot of people have already traded this game in which is fairly unheard of for PES players. Even the hardcore element are turning against it now, apart from you and Jimmy of course.

I dont look at a crap game and think "OK it's crap but what are it's GOOD points?" Why would I do that? The game is so crap I dont want to play it so why would I come online to praise it? Yeah sometimes when I score a goal it's a good feeling but I get that feeling from ANY football game because I love football! I got that feeling from Match Day on the Spectrum but that doesn't mean I want to play it today! This game has done nothing to deserve my praise, it IS a mess in my opinion! I honestly cannot think of one single thing PES 2012 has improved upon since PES 2011. Where is the evolution? Even some intelligent design would be nice!

You and Jimmy are clearly willing to write off certain things that a lot of us refuse to accept. You dont have a problem with wonky keepers or unresponsive players and are happy to put this down to "realism", though god only knows what sort of football you watch if you find the things PES players do sometimes realistic.

I think your use of the word "esoteric" and Jimmy's comment about "educating" us speaks volumes about how you guys think. You genuinely believe that only you can understand this game and the rest of us are too stupid to grasp it's brilliance. You think we are ignorant button bashers who cant possibly understand how to play this complicated football game the way it's meant to be played. That is the basis on which you dismiss so many people's valid complaints about this game is it not?

Maybe it's harsh or unfair of me to accuse you of thinking that way but I honestly dont know what else to think about you guys who constantly defend such a poor game and have the gall to blame the players themsleves for Konami's poor coding.

 

[Expander]

Let me tell you how bad I think the game is in the most simple terms possible. For the first time EVER I have stopped playing the most recent release of PES just a few weeks after it's release date. The game hasn't been in my machine for about a week now. Does that explain to you how I feel about this game?

In my and many others opinion the game is simply unplayable, it is not enjoyable to play because it is broken. How many posts have you seen here saying "I'm done with this game"? It's not just me and people on this forum who think the game is broken, Konami themselves have released TWO major patches already which speaks volumes regarding what they themselves think of the original code they asked us to pay £40 for.

A lot of people have already traded this game in which is fairly unheard of for PES players. Even the hardcore element are turning against it now, apart from you and Jimmy of course.

I dont look at a crap game and think "OK it's crap but what are it's GOOD points?" Why would I do that? The game is so crap I dont want to play it so why would I come online to praise it? Yeah sometimes when I score a goal it's a good feeling but I get that feeling from ANY football game because I love football! I got that feeling from Match Day on the Spectrum but that doesn't mean I want to play it today! This game has done nothing to deserve my praise, it IS a mess in my opinion! I honestly cannot think of one single thing PES 2012 has improved upon since PES 2011. Where is the evolution? Even some intelligent design would be nice!

You and Jimmy are clearly willing to write off certain things that a lot of us refuse to accept. You dont have a problem with wonky keepers or unresponsive players and are happy to put this down to "realism", though god only knows what sort of football you watch if you find the things PES players do sometimes realistic.

I think your use of the word "esoteric" and Jimmy's comment about "educating" us speaks volumes about how you guys think. You genuinely believe that only you can understand this game and the rest of us are too stupid to grasp it's brilliance. You think we are ignorant button bashers who cant possibly understand how to play this complicated football game the way it's meant to be played. That is the basis on which you dismiss so many people's valid complaints about this game is it not?

Maybe it's harsh or unfair of me to accuse you of thinking that way but I honestly dont know what else to think about you guys who constantly defend such a poor game and have the gall to blame the players themsleves for Konami's poor coding.

Brilliant post,i could write pages upon pages of things that could improve pes but why bother when ive done this for the last five years.It falls on deaf ears(excuse the pun).

Even some of my posts yesterday outlined the problems from a technical prospective with pes,ie recycling old tech and trying to get it to perform in away its not designed to.

I try to avoid getting overly technical because its difficult to understand for the average person.

The funny thing is if the game was so good,why are people even looking at this thread,i know i wouldnt or would i even be here,i would be having fun enjoying the game.

I used to think jimmy-g really knew his stuff and understood football,now i think differently.He likes the simplicity of pes and looks at it like SEABASS,someone who actually isnt good at games.Seabass has admitted himself he plays PES on amateur,which speaks volumes.

Pes has become simpler with each passing year,the hardest pes was pes3.

Seabass has lost his passion,hes dryed up and exhausted of ideas,anyone who thinks differently isnt reading the writing on the wall,when the last four years has clearly demonstrated a reluctance to move forward with pes.WENB and others will make there excuses,build the hype again next year and there will be more resentment and dissapointment.Everyone i work with are all PES fans and they have all traded it in.WEPS are lying cheats and thats a fact.They are what ea used to be,before they started to care about there name and produce a better standard of game.

The reality is the real talent at konami left that company over five years ago,because of rubbish pay.Weps was tasked back in the days of the ps1 to produce a football game that would appeal more to the mainstream market that started to form with the inception of the playstation.MajorA always had a bigger budget and more creative freedom and produced football games like what EA have been producing over the last five years,that appeals more to gamers who want intuitive control.Its obviously a winning formula because not every fifa player has zilch knowledge of football and the sales figures have doubled over recent years.When pes was on top there was no alternative if you knew football,fifas not perfect but it is a more realistic simulation of football now.

This is the problem with some pes diehards,they have this arrogance that everyone wants a stat driven game with limited control mechanics,and that this is the embodiment of football because generally pes is all they know.Football is all about control.

Im not beating the fifa drum because i dont even have fifa12 now,but im not blind or am i not objective.You obviously know your stuff.

 

[Deluxe]

Let me tell you how bad I think the game is in the most simple terms possible. For the first time EVER I have stopped playing the most recent release of PES just a few weeks after it's release date. The game hasn't been in my machine for about a week now. Does that explain to you how I feel about this game?

In my and many others opinion the game is simply unplayable, it is not enjoyable to play because it is broken. How many posts have you seen here saying "I'm done with this game"? It's not just me and people on this forum who think the game is broken, Konami themselves have released TWO major patches already which speaks volumes regarding what they themselves think of the original code they asked us to pay £40 for.

A lot of people have already traded this game in which is fairly unheard of for PES players. Even the hardcore element are turning against it now, apart from you and Jimmy of course.

I dont look at a crap game and think "OK it's crap but what are it's GOOD points?" Why would I do that? The game is so crap I dont want to play it so why would I come online to praise it? Yeah sometimes when I score a goal it's a good feeling but I get that feeling from ANY football game because I love football! I got that feeling from Match Day on the Spectrum but that doesn't mean I want to play it today! This game has done nothing to deserve my praise, it IS a mess in my opinion! I honestly cannot think of one single thing PES 2012 has improved upon since PES 2011. Where is the evolution? Even some intelligent design would be nice!

You and Jimmy are clearly willing to write off certain things that a lot of us refuse to accept. You dont have a problem with wonky keepers or unresponsive players and are happy to put this down to "realism", though god only knows what sort of football you watch if you find the things PES players do sometimes realistic.

I think your use of the word "esoteric" and Jimmy's comment about "educating" us speaks volumes about how you guys think. You genuinely believe that only you can understand this game and the rest of us are too stupid to grasp it's brilliance. You think we are ignorant button bashers who cant possibly understand how to play this complicated football game the way it's meant to be played. That is the basis on which you dismiss so many people's valid complaints about this game is it not?

Maybe it's harsh or unfair of me to accuse you of thinking that way but I honestly dont know what else to think about you guys who constantly defend such a poor game and have the gall to blame the players themsleves for Konami's poor coding.

+1 Amen to that

 

[Robbery]

The funny thing is if the game was so good,why are people even looking at this thread,i know i wouldnt or would i even be here,i would be having fun enjoying the game.

You know, i really respect your point of view but this is just lame. Do you really think i play the game the hole day? I have to work all day, i have a family, i'm lucky if i can find 1 hour playtime a day.

But i'm lucky to work "online" most of the time. I'm here every day reading the good and the bad things about PES and FIFA. Why not talk about it? It is really, really lame to think i'm here because the game is so bad and i don't have better things do to. I love PES 2012, it is some kind of passion and it is still fun to talk about it and to think about all the different opinions.

People here play Uncharted, FIFA, PES, Skyrim, NBA 2k12 and so on. It would be an empty place if posting depends on how good or bad a game is. It has nothing to do with it at all.

 

[Expander]

You know, i really respect your point of view but this is just lame. Do you really think i play the game the hole day? I have to work all day, i have a family, i'm lucky if i can find 1 hour playtime a day.

But i'm lucky to work "online" most of the time. I'm here every day reading the good and the bad things about PES and FIFA. Why not talk about it? It is really, really lame to think i'm here because the game is so bad and i don't have better things do to. I love PES 2012, it is some kind of passion and it is still fun to talk about it and to think about all the different opinions.

People here play Uncharted, FIFA, PES, Skyrim, NBA 2k12 and so on. It would be an empty place if posting depends on how good or bad a game is. It has nothing to do with it at all.

It would be lame if i didnt back it up with anyhting else,think about it.

My opinion is my opinion,i dont search the web wanting others to clarify whether a games good or not,i can judge that for myself.

Dont insult my intelligence with such a daft post.Your another one teaching people to suck eggs,and trying to explain to people that you have to play it like real football.Get real.I dont need to be educated on something ive been watching from the terraces for over twenty years,playing and designing as a programmer.

Seabass is like a mad dictator with his own ideology of football,or the emperors of rome,he doesnt realise his empire is crumbling and wont listen.Hes still clinging blindly to his scripting(the thing that once made pes what it was)and the one descent idea he had over 10 years ago.Everything else is just borrowed or was created by someone else.

 

[Robbery]

It would be lame if i didnt back it up with anyhting else,think about it.

No, not at all. It is still lame, no matter how you try to back it up.

I don't care about your harsh reaction. I respect every opinion and every opinion is as good as mine. But saying "if the game would be a good game they wouldn't post here" is ridiculous. And its sad you can't admit it.

BTW i don't teach anyone. It was a nice and respectful conversation with LTFC and we both shared our experience / opinions about one aspect of the game. That's why we are here.

Oh, and i would love to play the game right now on my PS3 but my wife is watching TV. Am i allowed to post in the meantime? Just as a little hint, you may think about your theory.

 

[Expander]

No, not at all. It is still lame, no matter how you try to back it up.

I don't care about your harsh reaction. I respect every opinion and every opinion is as good as mine. But saying "if the game would be a good game they wouldn't post here" is ridiculous. And its sad you can't admit it.

BTW i don't teach anyone. It was a nice and respectful conversation with LTFC and we both shared our experience / opinions about one aspect of the game. That's why we are here.

Theres truth in it my friend,dont be so niave.How could you possibly speak for everyone,there not you.

This is not the sharing thread its the unhappy thread,let me bellyache.

 

[Robbery]

I really think you are wrong here. It is a message board and people love to talk about their games. It has nothing to do with "good" or "bad". People post here for years mate. No matter how good or bad a game is they share opinions- That's why we all are here.

But it is not worth the fight and as i said before i respect your opinion about PES. I don't share all of it but of course i respect it. Why not?

 

[shank118]

Expander you never fail to amaze me. Your posts last year and this year, going on about the game, and then doing an about-turn, and then another U-turn again. So when the game was good according to you, and you posted here, aren't you contradicting your own theory? Weren't you supposed to have been playing the game rather than posting here?

Saying that people post in forums just because they don't play the game is like what Robbery said. Lame.

 

[Expander]

I really think you are wrong here. It is a message board and people love to talk about their games. It has nothing to do with "good" or "bad". People post here for years mate. No matter how good or bad a game is they share opinions- That's why we all are here.

But it is not worth the fight and as i said before i respect your opinion about PES. I don't share all of it but of course i respect it. Why not?

This is evo web,not some peace rally or hippy march,if i wanted to be nicey nice i would sign up at WENB.Nature of the beast im afriad.I you cant stand the heat and all that....PES IS A EMOTIVE SUBJECT.

I know 90% of the people that post on here know there stuff and are hardcore gamers,who also have extensive knowledge of football.

 

[Robbery]

You don't have to be nice because i don't care at all about any personal thing you say about me. You don't know me and i don't know you. It just doesn't matter at all.

But i'm not going to spend time talking about any kind of stupid offense, that's just childish. So say whatever you want about me, it doesn't matter at all.

But if you are interested in some serious talking with me about PES you should really act like an adult. It is wasting time otherwise.

Let's move on.

 

[Expander]

Expander you never fail to amaze me. Your posts last year and this year, going on about the game, and then doing an about-turn, and then another U-turn again. So when the game was good according to you, and you posted here, aren't you contradicting your own theory? Weren't you supposed to have been playing the game rather than posting here?

Saying that people post in forums just because they don't play the game is like what Robbery said. Lame.

If all else fails lets attack expander,lets bring up his posts and lets try and expose his credibilty.

Nice try,when this year have i said anything apart from demo1 and 2 were sublime and version 1.00 was relatively playable and closer to the demo gameplay then patch 1.01.

Internet cretins like you are all the same,you have nothing interesting to say but your damm good at waiting in the wings ready to pounce with your ?????????????posts......nice story bro.

I know you love my posts,and i bet your going through them now so you can find some dirt on me.

 

[shank118]

If all else fails lets attack expander,lets bring up his posts and lets try and expose his credibilty.

Nice try,when this year have i said anything apart from demo1 and 2 were sublime and patch 1.00 made the final game relatively playable.

Internet cretins like you are all the same,you have nothing interesting to say but your damm good at waiting in the wings reading to pounce with your ?????????????posts......nice story bro

 

[Expander]

You don't have to be nice because i don't care at all about any personal thing you say about me. You don't know me and i don't know you. It just doesn't matter at all.

But i'm not going to spend time talking about any kind of stupid offense, that's just childish. So say whatever you want about me, it doesn't matter at all.

But if you are interested in some serious talking with me about PES you should really act like an adult. It is wasting time otherwise.

Let's move on.

Never said anything personal,i draw the line at that(unless your seabass or jon murphy).This thread is about pes,so why i you wasting your time disecting everything ive said to you and taking the moral high ground,its pathetic.Im to long in the tooth and know your never win a internet argument,you started it with the LAME post.Pot calling the kettle black and all that.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

Sure, since the cursed year when PES 2008 was released. I'm pretty sure that on the PS1 and PS2 PES versions, this huge quantity of people posting "not happy" things never existed. And much of them play PES since it was born.



It's funny you're defending this crap of a game and you never played PES 6, and maybe any other great versions of PES games before 2008. So what are you doing here defending the game and discussing with people that i'm pretty sure, they have played PES all they life and have a pretty much bigger picture of the game than yours.

No offence mate but having played PES all your life doesn't entitle you to ownership over opinions on the CURRENT Game does it? That's what we're discussing here - PES 2012 and the FUTURE direction of the game.

Having great gameplay in past editions of PES won't make the current game improve just by thinking nostalgically. I didn't have a console when I was younger and only got exposed to FIFA because of a friend who had the original Xbox then 360. Is that ok with you? Or do I have to bow down because I'm only new to the series?

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

No, not at all. It is still lame, no matter how you try to back it up.

I don't care about your harsh reaction. I respect every opinion and every opinion is as good as mine. But saying "if the game would be a good game they wouldn't post here" is ridiculous. And its sad you can't admit it.

BTW i don't teach anyone. It was a nice and respectful conversation with LTFC and we both shared our experience / opinions about one aspect of the game. That's why we are here.

Oh, and i would love to play the game right now on my PS3 but my wife is watching TV. Am i allowed to post in the meantime? Just as a little hint, you may think about your theory.

Well said mate. I don't come here to proclaim arrogance or teach people. But I like to provide an alternative view because SOMETIMES there are people (myself included) who don't know everything about the game so discussing the game provides tips and insights we wouldn't know if we just sat in front of the TV. I work at a desk all day so it's easy for me to see what other people are experiencing and writing about.

For example, there was a person who finally started shooting the way Jimmy and I had mentioned before (and probably other people) and the shooting worked a lot better for him. I think he in fact worked it out for himself, but his discovery affirmed what some other people had been saying about shooting being a bit different to master. I admit there are times when shooting is not perfect (I think it has more to do with the ball being too close to your foot when dribbling than the actual shooting mechanics itself).

LTFC made some very good points about what needs to improve with the game but there's also some things he or others have said, which occasionally have proved to be fixable by either their method or some in game fixes. If you read my last few posts I don't make blanket assumptions, even though you are implying that a little. I've very carefully said that "sometimes" or "ocassionally" but I haven't seen you acknowledge it. Only to say that I'm a blind devotee, when according to Roman, I shouldn't even be posting here because I haven't earnt my dues. give me a friggen break lol

 

[beachryan]

I've gotta say - the best advice I can give anyone with PES 2012 (and this from someone that had it day of release in the states, and been around here for 8 years) is go play one of the truly marquee games that are out right now.

Given the limited time I have these days to play games, I just can't understand how anyone would choose what PES has become over Uncharted 3, Skyrim, MW3 etc. Even NHL 2012, NBA 2K12 etc are light years ahead.

I know for some people they need a football like fat kids need cake - and I felt like I was in that camp - but gaming life is so much better without PES. I'm not saying go FIFA at all, I'm saying spend your £40 on something that is worth it.

For me the simple fact is the only thing that keeps me even considering the PES series is a fond memory of something that is almost 10 years old.

 

[priskinsprick]

Obviously there are hundreds of ways pes can be improved, I've never been into that way of thinking myself and from the sounds of it they don't listen anyway.

What has narked me about pes for the last 2 years is that I've played a really enjoyable demo before shelling out on an awful, compromised mess of a final product.

It seems to me that PES is Konami's cash cow, and they are afraid to make the leap that it needs and that has been showcased in demo and just really unleashed a crap product compromised by those who fear change! in my opinion (I've played games since Frogger!).

Just give me the game I enjoyed in the demo! What is so hard about this? Bin the cutscenes, BAL, funny haircuts - just give me the demo!! The best football game I've ever played and it's exhibition only with only 6 selectable teams!
I didn't hear much complaining about the demo, in fact I heard mainly praise and I was enthralled by it. The same can't be said for the final game.
It'll continue to be a cash cow whilst we all stump up year on year.
I'm letting my wallet doing the talking from now on!

Active AI, watched the video preceeding the demo many many times! And it's gone!
Decent throughballs! Such a satisfying play getting behind the defence! And now it's gone!
Shots by grown men! Again, lovely to crack one goalwards when you've created the opening, now it's gone! Replaced by foaming dribblers!

Watch the ball moving in the demo, then watch it on full game - what an absolute balloon on the moon! The players can outrun it! The ref doesnt give free kicks anymore?

Your teammates are so docile all a 2 player game becomes is a close off the passes to static teammates swampfest, usually decided by a cross or set piece as mentioned earlier!

To score the most goals in the full game, use the handy automatic cross option and hope that the stats fall in your favour! Score from a set piece with the same logic!
This is what you do to win. It's not enjoyable, it's like a bloody fruit machine.

And can all those who love it leave this thread for those who aren't happy? I haven't seen a Happy with PES2012 thread and if I had I wouldnt go near it! Cause I'm not!

2011 and no decent football game. Unbelievable Jeff!

On a lighter note - Skyrim is superb!

 

[Expander]

Obviously there are hundreds of ways pes can be improved, I've never been into that way of thinking myself and from the sounds of it they don't listen anyway.

What has narked me about pes for the last 2 years is that I've played a really enjoyable demo before shelling out on an awful, compromised mess of a final product.

It seems to me that PES is Konami's cash cow, and they are afraid to make the leap that it needs and that has been showcased in demo and just really unleashed a crap product compromised by those who fear change! in my opinion (I've played games since Frogger!).

Just give me the game I enjoyed in the demo! What is so hard about this? Bin the cutscenes, BAL, funny haircuts - just give me the demo!! The best football game I've ever played and it's exhibition only with only 6 selectable teams!
I didn't hear much complaining about the demo, in fact I heard mainly praise and I was enthralled by it. The same can't be said for the final game.
It'll continue to be a cash cow whilst we all stump up year on year.
I'm letting my wallet doing the talking from now on!

Active AI, watched the video preceeding the demo many many times! And it's gone!
Decent throughballs! Such a satisfying play getting behind the defence! And now it's gone!
Shots by grown men! Again, lovely to crack one goalwards when you've created the opening, now it's gone! Replaced by foaming dribblers!

Watch the ball moving in the demo, then watch it on full game - what an absolute balloon on the moon! The players can outrun it! The ref doesnt give free kicks anymore?

Your teammates are so docile all a 2 player game becomes is a close off the passes to static teammates swampfest, usually decided by a cross or set piece as mentioned earlier!

To score the most goals in the full game, use the handy automatic cross option and hope that the stats fall in your favour! Score from a set piece with the same logic!
This is what you do to win. It's not enjoyable, it's like a bloody fruit machine.

And can all those who love it leave this thread for those who aren't happy? I haven't seen a Happy with PES2012 thread and if I had I wouldnt go near it! Cause I'm not!

2011 and no decent football game. Unbelievable Jeff!

On a lighter note - Skyrim is superb!

At last,i wondered where all the realists went,its like someone opened a window.

Loving skyrim too,great minds and all that............bravo,demo1 was the one.