The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

Which PES 2012 version do you prefer?

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If you guys could play a remasterd PEs3/5 would you?

I mean some modders take them game and only edit grpahics/stadiums/kits etc.. and edit current squads.

Would you play this game now?

SOmetimes I feel like starting a master league on PEs3 or pes5 but its so old now.

I now there are pacth for pes6 and perhaps pes5 anyway but for me I think PES6 is a bit crappy also.
 
ToonArmy said:
^^^ Same here. Never liked FIFA and not really too fussed on this years game but PES is just dead for me. I still play it every night but find myself turning it off even before half time.

Every match turns into me dominating possession with the cpu camped in their own box, only for a wild clearance to fall perfectly to the feet of the 1 attacker they have who manages to hold it up despite being under pressure from a few of my players. He will then pass it perfectly to a teammate and turn it into a lightening fast counter, with my defender to idiotic to cut out even the simplest of passes right by the side of them. Same thing every god damn match :(
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Yeah same here too. I noticed a while ago how almost all shots blocked/rebounds etc will all fall to the AI. Particularly if you clear the ball from a corner. On the other hand, when I have a corner and the AI gets a clearing head to the ball, it without fail falls to an AI player ready for a counter. The ball is on rails when you don't have it.

I wish I'd have taken Jamezinho's lead and traded it in for Battlefield 3 for £4.99, because I've had this listed online for the best part of a week for a cheap price and it just won't sell. Never had that when posting a new game to sell before.
 
Had a mate come over who hadn't played PES since PES 5 and has been playing FIFA since because that's what his brother buys on the Xbox. He was blown away by how much better he felt PES was to FIFA. I own both and for everything that FIFA claims to do better I still prefer PES.

Played 3 games against my mate from 3 different leagues. Every game played out differently and looked like it would if those real teams were playing. Played some FIFA after and every game basically plays out the same.

Sure - FIFA can be a lot of fun and it's easy to pick up and play and where you shoot the ball goes all the time (generally) but it still has ridiculous turning circles and not many of the goals or goalscoring opportunities are as realistic as PES.

Watched a few games on the weekend and the way players are setup across the pitch to defend was pure PES. So many games I watch in fact remind me of PES whereas I never get that feeling with FIFA. As I said, you may enjoy playing it as a video game but animations aside, it's miles off realism compared to PES.
 
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Had a mate come over who hadn't played PES since PES 5 and has been playing FIFA since because that's what his brother buys on the Xbox. He was blown away by how much better he felt PES was to FIFA. I own both and for everything that FIFA claims to do better I still prefer PES.

Played 3 games against my mate from 3 different leagues. Every game played out differently and looked like it would if those real teams were playing. Played some FIFA after and every game basically plays out the same.

Sure - FIFA can be a lot of fun and it's easy to pick up and play and where you shoot the ball goes all the time (generally) but it still has ridiculous turning circles and not many of the goals or goalscoring opportunities are as realistic as PES.

Watched a few games on the weekend and the way players are setup across the pitch to defend was pure PES. So many games I watch in fact remind me of PES whereas I never get that feeling with FIFA. As I said, you may enjoy playing it as a video game but animations aside, it's miles off realism compared to PES.
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Thats the issue i have with FIFA>

I will firstly say that it is one hell of a fun game

BUT every game with any team most often plays out the same and goals are scored in similar ways.

In PES well old Pes at least every game and goal was unique
 
pes4lyfe said:
Thats the issue i have with FIFA>

I will firstly say that it is one hell of a fun game

BUT every game with any team most often plays out the same and goals are scored in similar ways.

In PES well old Pes at least every game and goal was unique
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I don't find that at all. In FIFA I rarely see the same goal twice, from me or the AI. I also see the games being played in different ways depending on where you play. British teams will see the game quite frantic, Spanish teams keep the ball a lot more and it's much slower. There's a real difference.

In PES EVERY team plays the same. No matter who they are. Where anyone gets any notions that PES plays like real life I don't know, can't remember the last time I saw a team with 10 players in their own penalty area when you have the ball just past the halfway line. Every team in PES, from Wolves to Barcelona, from Hungary to Argentina, play on the counter attack. I'd go as far as to say the opposition AI in PES is appalling. It's scripted, and shows the age of the game engine by the very fact that the AI has to play such ridiculous tactics to succeed and give the game more challenge for the user. PES2011 had the huge problem of the AI using ridiculous formations, from six across the back to no midfield and four up front, and while 2012 doesn't quite do this, it achieves the same outcome by ignoring formation when you have the ball and making them all just bunch into the area, speed boosting when there's a loose ball. The game for me, is so turgid, so old, it 'feels' like I'm playing a slightly modded version of PES5 or 6, with a tiny bit extra individuality thrown in, and that's because it's basically the same engine with a tiny bit of dressing round the edges.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the likes of Jimmy and Calcio when they speak about player individuality, foot planting etc, that's all good and fine, but I think the CPU AI when you play in single player offline modes is shocking, one dimensional, scripted, and ancient. And for me it ruins the game.
 
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LTFC said:
I don't find that at all. In FIFA I rarely see the same goal twice, from me or the AI. I also see the games being played in different ways depending on where you play. British teams will see the game quite frantic, Spanish teams keep the ball a lot more and it's much slower. There's a real difference.

In PES EVERY team plays the same. No matter who they are. Where anyone gets any notions that PES plays like real life I don't know, can't remember the last time I saw a team with 10 players in their own penalty area when you have the ball just past the halfway line. Every team in PES, from Wolves to Barcelona, from Hungary to Argentina, play on the counter attack. I'd go as far as to say the opposition AI in PES is appalling. It's scripted, and shows the age of the game engine by the very fact that the AI has to play such ridiculous tactics to succeed and give the game more challenge for the user. PES2011 had the huge problem of the AI using ridiculous formations, from six across the back to no midfield and four up front, and while 2012 doesn't quite do this, it achieves the same outcome by ignoring formation when you have the ball and making them all just bunch into the area, speed boosting when there's a loose ball. The game for me, is so turgid, so old, it 'feels' like I'm playing a slightly modded version of PES5 or 6, with a tiny bit extra individuality thrown in, and that's because it's basically the same engine with a tiny bit of dressing round the edges.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the likes of Jimmy and Calcio when they speak about player individuality, foot planting etc, that's all good and fine, but I think the CPU AI when you play in single player offline modes is shocking, one dimensional, scripted, and ancient. And for me it ruins the game.
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mmm well tbf I have only really been playing my career mode which is in England so not had much chance to compare other countires style etc. BUt I just played Benfica in Europe and never noticed much different.

but as for my team I play 4-4-2 and every game is very similar in that I play 1-2s up the wing pass in to middle, look for openieng for long shot or look for through ball, other cahnces are with striker or wide player on edge of box and try to driblle past 1 or 2 defenders and score goal. But then again how much variety is there in a real game of football?

I think though that I need to move up to world class also maybe as Im starting to Dominate nearly all games on PRof therefore cant really evaulate the CPU opponent AI as they dont get much off the ball. I think maybe on world class it will be diff?

As for dissign PES are you talking abut next gen PES. Maybe this is so but on old PES, ps2 days etc it was very real. When I played Juventus away from home theyd be hard to break down. If I play norwich at home I score 5 maybe? etc....

In fifa 12 I do see big individuality in oppenont AI in CPU individuals though. For example, if an average striker gets the ball and scorign chance chances are hell miss but if the striker is Aguero chances are any shot he takes not only will it go towards top corner, hell score. Thats why I cant give any chacnes away to teams like man city because IMO though a bit OTT top players and stirkers have 100% strike rate with CPU. ANy chance they get they score in box.

So the CPu does work well in that respect.

Though funnily as for me ir doesnt seem to matter if I have Joe Bloggs or Emile HEskey or Sergio Aguero I can score or miss just as easy.

What I mean is indivdiaulty of players controlled by CPU is good but as for me its not so extreme.

CPU opponent AI does use the players indiduality well.Eg Ronaldo and messi always try triskcs and dribbles as does david silva, Kompany wins all challenges and headers etc....

But still something about the games often feel same same. However im addicted to it so Im not slating it.
 
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ALSO MUST NOTE!!! I CAN FIND GAMES ON FIFA AGAINST REAL HUMANS VERY VARIED!!!

It just I mean my career mode in premiership.

But I guess thats kinda real becuase every team pretty much playes the same way week in week out. You wouldnt expect Man u to play long ball game. Or Newcastle counter attacking football.

So, mayeb many off my attacks and goals are simialr in career mode because thats the way my team plays with those players and formations?

Just a theory? BUt I have not really played any other teams enough games offline so dont know?
 
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trading this in next week, i cannot see myself buying another pes game unless there is a huge improvement in the series. the 360 version with the way the run bug problem has been handled is a disgrace, a glaring issue that has been ignored and players will have to wait now it seems mid november for it to be sorted - that's not good enough for me. even something miniscule as the achievements/trophies with the online ones using the copa competition logo reeks of half hearted failure.

whilst i really respect this forum especially the moderator who got me a mlo beta code last year (apologies i forget your name) and those who enjoy the game, i feel conned that i bought it and it's hype from various sites i fell for. never again and that's not meant as a disrespect to those who genuinely enjoy 2012.
 
PES might be more realistic than FIFA, but saying it's realistic compared to real football is bull. Some people are really delusional.
 
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leandropuc86 said:
PES might be more realistic than FIFA, but saying it's realistic compared to real football is bull. Some people are really delusional.
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Well it's realistic if the Japanese set up a game of football 11 v 11 with these guys

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The animations in PES would be so realistic. Robot Evolution Soccer 2012
 
Wait til next year we get PES 3d....you can actually run about your room with your 3d specs on and kick the ball and shit...thats gonna be some realistic shit , well only if you can play at pro level that is. If you suck I doubt your teammates will pass the ball and youll get subbed
 
leandropuc86 said:
PES might be more realistic than FIFA, but saying it's realistic compared to real football is bull. Some people are really delusional.
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Really? Did you watch Real Madrid vs Osasuna? There were at least 8 players parked behind the ball and at the edge of the penalty box. This was throughout the entire match, regardless of the score. This is what people complain about in PES. I can find more examples too.

Osasuna equalised with a quick free kick with their only shot of the half from a nothing free kick on the edge of the box. On PES you guys would be screaming about scripting and what crap it was.

It's not that some things in PES are unrealistic, it's that people don't want to see some things in a computer game. Fair enough, but don't pretend it's something else.
 
ah well i just retruned my copy.

I never even gave it a chance tbh. Played maybe 10 games?

I only retuning as I have no time to play 2 football games and I know I enjoy FIFA and based on peoples thoughts here this game sucks or is more hassle than its worth?

I figure at worst fifa can keep me happy 2-3months and if pes improves with pathces etc I will buy chepa later.

Stupid I retun wihtout really giving a chance but so be it.
 
pes4lyfe said:
ah well i just retruned my copy.

I never even gave it a chance tbh. Played maybe 10 games?

I only retuning as I have no time to play 2 football games and I know I enjoy FIFA and based on peoples thoughts here this game sucks or is more hassle than its worth?

I figure at worst fifa can keep me happy 2-3months and if pes improves with pathces etc I will buy chepa later.

Stupid I retun wihtout really giving a chance but so be it.
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No offence mate but you signed up with a username called PES 4 lyfe and have had that many posts here trying to justify to yourself why you should or shouldn't play it when you already were happy with FIFA.

If you didn't give it a chance now, are you really going to trust the opinions of others if they tell you some patches have made the game better? You've already been persuaded not to like the game based on other people's opinions.

Don't mean to sound rude but you should really give something a chance and if you truly don't like it, forget about it for the year and check it out next year. I did the same with FIFA 11 and never looked back. This year I have kept both games.

I thought I was overly analytical about making a new purchase but you're making me look like a really decisive guy haha :P
 
Some guys here are really borring me. All the time they wrote how PES is bad and how FIFA is good. Go play FIFA and stop writting the same things for all pages. WTF If you have problem with PES go play FIFA and enjoy. What a problem? For me FIFA technically looks awesome but game play are big shit. Please stop writting here all the time how FIFA is good because game play of this game are borring, the same feeling etc. It's not truge that FIFA 12 is superb game. This game only look nice but deep game play are very borring. Another funny thing is that some guys want prove that demos were better than full. Look for polling and what people have chosen. 48 % like more full than demos. Please stop prove people yours taste ok?
 
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pes4lyfe said:
If you guys could play a remasterd PEs3/5 would you?

I mean some modders take them game and only edit grpahics/stadiums/kits etc.. and edit current squads.

Would you play this game now?

SOmetimes I feel like starting a master league on PEs3 or pes5 but its so old now.

I now there are pacth for pes6 and perhaps pes5 anyway but for me I think PES6 is a bit crappy also.
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I actually dusted off the PS2 and started a PES5 ML last night. Its a bit of a shock to start with but once I got over how restrictive the movement and passing was it became very enjoyable. I played 6 15min games on 6 stars and enjoyed everyone despite only scoring 1 goal and conceding 4. Chances are hard to create with the default ML players and even harder to put away. Unlike the new game, most matches ended with about 50 - 50 possession but sometimes the CPU would edge it. I was going into match details at the end and seeing that there are times when I had very little of the ball, about 20 - 30% which is very to different to 2012 where I can constantly end matches with around 70% possession.
The AI plays much better than it does now, a far better opponent. Its passing game was soo good at one point it was astonishing, It would run into a dead end and create little triangles with 1, 2's to escape with possession and when all its forward options were closed down it passed it back to defense and started to build up again from the back. This didnt happen very often but it was amazing to see after playing 2012's AI where if it has no options to go forward it just pulls your CB away from the striker and plays a Xavi-esque pass with a terrible player over the top.
The goal keepers are too good, Lothar the default ML keeper was pulling off some incredible saves and hes has keeper skills in the 60's I think.
Individuality is not as good as todays games, its there and noticable but 2012 has more of it.
The dribbling was great, the ball feels really free in PES5. If you run onto it with a player that has poor technique(all of the ML guys!) they boot it miles ahead and its going to get taken. The good dribblers and ones with higher agility really stood out. Again the ball is great, seems totally seperate from the players and it flys all over the place from poor touches and bobbles around when passed along the ground, they went totally backwards ball wise after this game. I was having to always trap it first unless running into acres of space. Some of the players have awful first touches allowing the opposition to close in before I could get the ball under control and do something with it.

PES 5 was soo far ahead of its time, I knew it was a brilliant game then but its even more apparent now. And it was nice to play a game where it seemed as if it was a finished product. Not once did a player get suck in an animation and wander off without the ball. The player switching worked perfectly, I use the manual setting and could always get the player I want and it never got confused as to which player the ball was mean for. The switching in 2011 & 2012 is totally broken compared to this, I understand that the added freedom makes it harder for the game to read what you want but its still not good enough.

If PES5 had 360 movement and passing I would play it until PES2013 and probably after when it inevitably dissapoints. As it is I will probably get a few weeks out of it then be without a football game until the next releases, a few weeks is 1 or 2 more than I got out of 2012 I might add!
 
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CalcioCalabrese said:
Stats taking over and not having full control of where the ball goes all the time. Doesn't sound like some of you are simulation fans...
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It has nothing to do with not being fans of simulation and everything to do with the poor way it is simulated.
I have got free in the box with Ettori and aimed at the far corner tapped the button and held R2 and instead he L1 lobbed it straight over the outcoming keeper! It was a nice finish and I would of been proud of it IF that was what I had intended. Instead I felt cheated and took no satisfaction in the goal.
I would imagine everyone in here has no problems with the stats effecting our actions and not being able to place the ball exactly where we want 100% of the time. People play PES for this, its the reason we love it. The problem and is with the poorly scripted fashion in which it can happen, I would guess that they dont have enough potential outcomes for a given situation and it will eventually give you something totally random.
 
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FlawlessCowboy said:
See, now I don't understand this at all. Why wouldn't you even consider FIFA?
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I actually bit the bullet and went out and bought FIFA last year because I thought I simply couldn't ignore it anymore. I had read so many enthusiastic reviews and heard so many people bang on about how utterly amazing it was that I caved in and bought it.

I wanted to love it, I really did. I kept it for 3 months and played it almost every day trying to convince myself the hype was right and I was wrong but at the end of the third month I took it back to the shop and traded it.

It was awful. I just could not get into it at all, I dont think I enjoyed a single match I played or goal I scored. I went back to PES. I might try the experiment again this year and buy FIFA 12 but I know exactly what it'll be like and i'll end up trading it again. Sure FIFA is a slick package but it's lacking.......that footballing magic.......something.......I dont know what but I just dont like the game. It's dull.

I actually played PES 2011 over the weekend there at a mate's because he hasn't bought 2012 yet and I'm telling you all now that game is A LOT better than 2012. The graphics are much better and the gameplay is responsive, slick and above all actually FUN to play. I started enjoying scoring goals and playing smooth passing football again.

Konami have flushed 12 months of development right down the toilet. They're going to have to start all over again now. At least I hope they do.
 
No matter how good Fifa12 is its never going to be as good as PES4&5.
Those games were way ahead of their time. We were spoilt.
The masses still bought Fifa but us PES fans knew better.
Which is why its so hard to phathom out what went wrong from PES08 onwards.
Agree with the person who said a name change could be worth doing and starting again.
They did when it went from ISS to PES so they can do it again.
They need to spend 24 months if need be to get the next game spot on (although no game is perfect).
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
Really? Did you watch Real Madrid vs Osasuna? There were at least 8 players parked behind the ball and at the edge of the penalty box. This was throughout the entire match, regardless of the score. This is what people complain about in PES. I can find more examples too.

Osasuna equalised with a quick free kick with their only shot of the half from a nothing free kick on the edge of the box. On PES you guys would be screaming about scripting and what crap it was.

It's not that some things in PES are unrealistic, it's that people don't want to see some things in a computer game. Fair enough, but don't pretend it's something else.
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I did, and if that was PES it would have ended 7-6.

Also, that was just one match. Basically one of the best club sides in the world at home to a fairly average side. Of course Osasuna were hanging on for dear life and defending deep, but how often do you see this type of game? Not every match that's for sure.
 
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So are we all agreed that playing against the AI is just completely not enjoyable?

I assume that this game is fun to play with friends. It's a shame they botched the online aspect, by that i mean don't allow for zero passing assistance games at -2 speed, because i have no local friends at current who are even willing to play PES.
 
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Northzzz said:
So are we all agreed that playing against the AI is just completely not enjoyable?

I assume that this game is fun to play with friends. It's a shame they botched the online aspect, by that i mean don't allow for zero passing assistance games at -2 speed, because i have no local friends at current who are even willing to play PES.
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If my friends still lived locally so that I could have PES nights then no doubt I would have kept PES2012. I'd imagine it's a lot of fun 1v1 or 2v2.
 
lons_pl said:
New patch 1.02 is available to download. Game is much better!!! Slow pace and passing on 0 assits feel like manual. Check it because feeling of the game is relly good right now!!
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No placebo?
 
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pj_puttz said:
I actually bit the bullet and went out and bought FIFA last year because I thought I simply couldn't ignore it anymore. I had read so many enthusiastic reviews and heard so many people bang on about how utterly amazing it was that I caved in and bought it.

I wanted to love it, I really did. I kept it for 3 months and played it almost every day trying to convince myself the hype was right and I was wrong but at the end of the third month I took it back to the shop and traded it.

It was awful. I just could not get into it at all, I dont think I enjoyed a single match I played or goal I scored. I went back to PES. I might try the experiment again this year and buy FIFA 12 but I know exactly what it'll be like and i'll end up trading it again. Sure FIFA is a slick package but it's lacking.......that footballing magic.......something.......I dont know what but I just dont like the game. It's dull.

I actually played PES 2011 over the weekend there at a mate's because he hasn't bought 2012 yet and I'm telling you all now that game is A LOT better than 2012. The graphics are much better and the gameplay is responsive, slick and above all actually FUN to play. I started enjoying scoring goals and playing smooth passing football again.

Konami have flushed 12 months of development right down the toilet. They're going to have to start all over again now. At least I hope they do.
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IMO Fifa is still just like it always have been. If you don't like the specific kind of game that Fifa opts for, and you should know by now, then you probably won't like it. I think that Fifa having more options has given the illusion that it's a more deep and realistic game than previous iterations. Personally i don't think it is, not to any great extent anyway. The game at its core still plays like any other Fifa game in my experience and atleast to me that's the most important thing. It's still so favoured in attacking. Everything about being on the ball is simple, easy and effortless. Personally i just don't like that it still feels like your players have such few limitations. Turning circles are actually quite ridiculous.

In credit to Fifa 12, it does have more ways to score but again i don't particularly feel that they lend to being more satisfying.
 
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