The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

Which PES 2012 version do you prefer?

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The main thing that they should do to improve sales is to release a game that isn't full of glitches, first and foremost. I just played FIFA12 and it was great, everything happened as and when you told it to - tell a player to shoot, he'll shoot. Forgetting gameplay preferences, whether one person likes the other and vice versa, the one thing all gamers have in agreement is they expect a button command to actually register and do what it's supposed to. Like I said in PES I kept getting these weird animation 'lock ups' where the player gets stuck in a certain animation while the game's trying to figure out that you've just pressed shoot while using a shoulder button at the same time. It's so glitchy.

But yeah, I do agree with everything you say. Konami really are mental though. Since the days of PES6 I've been saying they need to simply KEEP stuff in there that people like, from little authentic touches to game modes. But as we all know for every one good thing they add to a game, it'll be gone the next year in favour of something else. The marketing in Europe is appalling too, showing a lack of identification with Western markets. It might not be gameplay related, but also how do they expect to compete in this day and age by making the game's graphics worse than previous games, especially when compared like you say to AAA titles coming out at the same time. Add to that, the lazy Japanese-English commentary translation and I really think Europe is a bit of an afterthought these days for Konami. Now it's showing in sales.

Actually I tried an experiment, switching my Xbox settings down to 50htz and straight away noticed the run bug, you player stops running after a few strides sometimes, and even twists and turns in directions you don't tell them to. The fact that many people can't play the game in 60htz and are stuck with this, it's ludicrous that Konami shipped the game with the bug already known, and then will be fixing it well into November, a fair while after release. That alone says all you need to know about Konami these days. That bug is enough to make a lot of people sell it, or take it back and buy FIFA instead. I tried it out, and it renders the game unusable, and not fit for purpose.
 
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Right, that's it. I can't play this game anymore.
Just completed season 1 BAL and did fine... but I never really enjoyed playing it.
It's no where near the fun, excitement or just 'football like' of PES06!
Just so many things that feel and play wrong that detract from what should be a football game.
 
pj_puttz said:
I live in hope that Konami respond to our feed back one day but so far they haven't bothered and I dont expect a letter will change that. They seem more concerned with adding cameramen and refs and other such incidental shit.

Personally I preferred the shooting in the previous game as I thought it was more responsive and more accurate but each to their own mate.

I will never bin the game, I simply NEED a football game to play for the next 12 months and PES is that game despite it's flaws. I dont think I've ever been without a football game to play throughout my roughly 30 years of gaming and I'm not about to start now.

I dont think it's about having a "eureka moment" as you suggest because I know I have the shooting system sussed. I know the flaw is not something I'm doing wrong because I CAN score all kinds of goals pretty easily in this game.

It's just that sometimes the game does not do what you want it to do and it's not just the shooting which is affected by this either.

That to me is either a bug or something deliberate Konami have programmed in to make the game harder. Either way it's annoying.

I'll continue to play PES, I'll no doubt buy it every year from now until my dying day.......and therein lies the problem. Konami are sloppy because they GET AWAY WITH IT. Mugs like me who dont like FIFA can either buy PES with all it's flaws or go without a football game altogether.

As going without a football game is simply not an option for guys like me, PES is all I've got and so Seabass gets my 40 hard earned once a year no matter what he puts out on the shelves.

Is it any wonder I come here to vent? :P
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See, now I don't understand this at all. Why wouldn't you even consider FIFA?
 
FlawlessCowboy said:
See, now I don't understand this at all. Why wouldn't you even consider FIFA?
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Maybe he never took the chance. Biased history.

People were raving on about fifa from about 08. But to me FIFA was always total POS since PS1/2 days.

It took me until FIFA 11 to give it a chance. I bought fifa 10 tbf after playing demo but sent it back to shop 1 week later. Only in FIFA 11 did I really sit down and play it well. Well tbh thats becuse I was bored and bought FIFA world cup south africa and I actually enjoyed it seemed miles better than FIFA 10. But when i got FIFA 11 it seemed rubbish again compared to FIFA WC strangely lol. BUt I persevered.
 
With the game regressing this much from pes2011, anyone thinks konami shld just give up?

It's clear by now they will never get back to pes5/6 glory days. No way I'm gna be monitoring the 2013 thread closely the entire year after wasting time this year reading 10/10 back to glory days playtests reviews and then the game coming out that bad.
 
Rooney10 said:
With the game regressing this much from pes2011, anyone thinks konami shld just give up?
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No, of course not. That's ridiculous. At a base level Konami understands football better than EA Sports. Even though FIFA12 is a very good all-round football game it still lacks some of the fundamentals of PES as well as that eye for the little details that gives the game its 'soul'.

Also, I don't agree that the game has regressed, but in typical Konami fashion it's taken two steps forward and two steps back. Essentially it's no further forward than last year.

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It's clear by now they will never get back to pes5/6 glory days. No way I'm gna be monitoring the 2013 thread closely the entire year after wasting time this year reading 10/10 back to glory days playtests reviews and then the game coming out that bad.
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Never say never. I don't believe this at all, although it's looking less likely we'll see a return to glory on this generation of consoles anyway. There's no reason why Konami can't make the stand-out number one football game again, but they *must* make a huge investment in the technical side of the game. It *needs* a new engine, extensive motion-captured animations, truly free and realistic ball physics, a proper collisions engine and a whole new audio team. They need to sub-contract work if it's something they can't do in-house (I'm looking at commentary and crowd noise here).

PES needs - and deserves - a new engine as it's clear the current one has hit the buffers. PES2010 was graphically fantastic but over the last two years the game looks steadily worse. I'm pretty sure graphics has been compromised to make way for gameplay improvements since then, which is evidence to me that Seabass has no room to work with.

Basically PES needs a huge investment and if that means running at a loss for a year or two then Konami should consider it. The PES (and ISS) name has treated Konami very well down the years and it's time they game something back i.e. invest in it's future. Otherwise the series may not have one.

Reading Adam on the WENB forums talking about the focus for 2013 being firmly on tech is heartening, but time will tell with this one as, being cynical, we've heard this all before.
 
how much do you expect tech department to improve in just one year?
it seems like Konami is talking about a new engine just because they have to hype the next game, and not really because they have a vision for the series development

Anyway, we will clearly see a new engine (if there will be one) with first videos, no need to wait for demos
 
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Ameppe said:
how much do you expect tech department to improve in just one year?
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I really have no idea Ameppe. I suppose it depends on the investment from Konami and whether there has been work going on behind the scenes on a new engine.

Wasn't there talk of a new guy at the top of Konami who used to be involved with PES?
 
Jamezinho said:
I really have no idea Ameppe. I suppose it depends on the investment from Konami and whether there has been work going on behind the scenes on a new engine.

Wasn't there talk of a new guy at the top of Konami who used to be involved with PES?
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yes, PES Director Shinji Enomoto has been promoted to Vice President of Konami

i can only hope this means more investment to Seabass team
 
I honestly think Konami need to cut their losses with the PS3/360, do a 'PS2' and release slight yearly updates with minimal changes, then concentrate virtually all their energy on getting a new engine, physics, animation, collision, AI, graphics, lighting, and a total sound overhaul for the next gen consoles, which will be out within 2-3 years. They could do it, I know people who are working on games that will eventually come out on the next gen consoles. I'm not sure they have actual dev kits yet, but they have a good idea of what they'll be able to do and are already working hard to produce for the next generation of consoles.

In essence, Konami should take the time now to develop for imminent better hardware and re-launch PES with a new identity, a fresh start. Better to cut their losses now then go all out to wow people in a few years' time. If they burst onto the scene with a true next gen game that plays, looks and sounds stunning, they'll make a LOT of people sit up and take notice, and win back most of their old customers and even attract new ones.

I'm actually a little worried that Konami might try to create a new engine that fits current consoles, then only to see new hardware come out and yet again they have an engine that has to work within the constraints of older hardware, which is basically what we're seeing with the current series of games.

I don't think the game will ever get a total atmosphere and authenticity overhaul though, their target market is Japan and I don't think people over there are that bothered about things like that, whereas for the more football obsessed in Western Europe, audio, atmosphere, little authentic touches are far more important. It's something that EA really tries to nail down, and is part of it's success.

That said, no-one in any part of the world would surely think the audio is acceptable, it's a combination of crude sound placeholder loops ringing over and over. The crowds sound robotic, echoey, and totally lacking in atmosphere.
 
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Really disappointing to see so many dislike this year's game. I don't know how many more years the PS3 has left before the 4 comes out. Why would anyone think Konami would be willing to upgrade their game this late in the life cycle of current generation machines PS3 and Box? I sure don't.
 
LTFC said:
I honestly think Konami need to cut their losses with the PS3/360, do a 'PS2' and release slight yearly updates with minimal changes, then concentrate virtually all their energy on getting a new engine, physics, animation, collision, AI, graphics, lighting, and a total sound overhaul for the next gen consoles, which will be out within 2-3 years. They could do it, I know people who are working on games that will eventually come out on the next gen consoles. I'm not sure they have actual dev kits yet, but they have a good idea of what they'll be able to do and are already working hard to produce for the next generation of consoles.

In essence, Konami should take the time now to develop for imminent better hardware and re-launch PES with a new identity, a fresh start.

I'm actually a little worried that Konami might try to create a new engine that fits current consoles, then only to see new hardware come out and yet again they have an engine that has to work within the constraints of older hardware, which is basically what we're seeing with the current series of games.

I don't think the game will ever get a total atmosphere and authenticity overhaul though, their target market is Japan and I don't think people over there are that bothered about things like that, whereas for the more football obsessed in Western Europe, audio, atmosphere, little authentic touches are far more important. It's something that EA really tries to nail down, and is part of it's success.

That said, no-one in any part of the world would surely think the audio is acceptable, it's a combination of crude sound placeholder loops ringing over and over. The crowds sound robotic, echoey, and totally lacking in atmosphere.
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Yeah I see you posted your thoughts just as I was posting mine. I agree it's kinda late for this generation. While I love WE9 and think it is still a great game once you play this gen 12 EA I cannot go back to playing a game totally on rails.
 
I have read the shooting debate just now. Little late I admit...

I agree with the way Jimmy does it.
I think most people do the shooting wrong. Like Jimmy I also have no problems with shooting. I have my own way but it looks like the way Jimmy does it with a little difference. I placed this before at WENB, so it might look familiar to some people.
This is what I do:

- make sure you are not shooting while in the middle of a turn.

- Aiming: First move your man in the direction of the shot and only than press shoot. Not shooting and then turning!

- When aiming, use the same directions as with penalties:

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In this view above, you are in front of the goal and it is simple to see that you aim left to get in direction 1 and right for direction 2

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Here you might think to aim UP to shoot in direction 1 and UP+right for direction 2, but IMHO that is not the case.
You should still aim LEFT to shoot in direction 1, just like penalties! For direction 2 you still shoot RIGHT.

Shooting higher or lower depends on how long you hold shoot.

At least for me it works :)
Maybe this is a good addition to Jimmy's post and hopefully it helps people with shooting.
 
I am pretty sure everyone knows what direction to hold to guide shots, the problem is that every now and then the stats will take over and give you something very different from what you have done. It doesnt happen as much as people make out, no where near actually, but I think you get people in here feeding off the negativity and getting carried away.

I was going to go and reinstall the game and re start my ML tonight but LTFCs posts have put me right off, I had all the same problems and more. One thing that REALLY annoys me is when the CPU get hold of the ball and everyone of your players retreat deep into your half even if the they are miles away from the ball carrier. I have tried changing all the tactics and nothing stops it, defensive line on 20, pressing on 20, Compactness on 20, all things that should make your players stay high up the pitch but they dont! This was a big problem for me in 2011 also. I can see why they done it, it forces end to end games to keep people entertained, I would rather have a midfield though.
 
I think if you're in ML then starting with poorer players means they won't make forward runs as well as better ones, but the game isn't enjoyable when you have that, coupled with the boosting AI you get when you play competitive game modes.

It does feel on rails when you don't have the ball and I can't ignore that any more. It feels so dated to me.

As for future games, I like I said I really hope Konami just cut their losses and start the game from scratch, and I mean totally from scratch, with the next gen consoles. There is still a decent market for Konami, but it needs to come up to standards and be considered a technical marvel for people to take notice. They could do this with a new engine on PS4/720 (if that's what they'll be called), but making a new engine now, that'll be very much in the early stages and probably glitchy, then having a last-gen engine on new consoles two or three years down the line will again see PES as being dated.
 
Jamezinho said:
Basically PES needs a huge investment and if that means running at a loss for a year or two then Konami should consider it. The PES (and ISS) name has treated Konami very well down the years and it's time they game something back i.e. invest in it's future. Otherwise the series may not have one.

Reading Adam on the WENB forums talking about the focus for 2013 being firmly on tech is heartening, but time will tell with this one as, being cynical, we've heard this all before.
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I wonder if they are already running at a loss and have been for a while. Why else would there be what appears to be such a massive lack of investment in the game?
Also with regard to WENB, I already did not trust a word they said but after the way they hyped this game up I will never read or listen to anything they say again.
 
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Ok, so here's my judgement of 2012 so far:

- It's at least better than 2011, but that's not saying much, really...

- Opposition AI is god, your players AI sucks BIG TIME, this is probably the biggest issue for me.

- Impossible to dribble past AI defenders.

- Impossible to counter AI dribbles.

- I've read spme people talking about how "rewarding" the defence system is. Shut the fuck up, please, it sucks and that's it.

- Game feels buggy, real glitchy, no consistence in controls.

- Against computer AI feints are irrelevant, really, there's no use to them.

- In ML mode, wich has always been my game of choice, it's amazing how scripted the matches feel, I mean, you just KNOW you're going to lose that semi-final or final before you play it (that is, if you manage to get there, of course).

- Fouls are ridiculous.

- PVP feels good, got no beef with that.

ML is ruined, in my opinion. I'm now in my third season through and I've won NOTHING, while my team already has an A in all departments. First season with Sporting CP was plain horrible, lost half the games, the other half were draws. Then came season two, wich went great, I really thought I was getting the hang of it, winning every game until the last five league games. Also reached national cup final. Then AI becomes godlike and i eventually lose every game and finish third on league and runner-up in cup - most goal were either a) impossible to counter, b) stupid ridiculous goals originated from rebounds or keeper's failure to hold the ball in easy situations or c) opposition's free kick, obvioulsy (50% of the time it's a goal, at best). Now In my third season and got my ass kicked in CL and UEFA Cup, It's just not possible to win against big teams, not for me at least. Also lost in national cup semi-finals, in wich we went to PK shootout and the AI GK saved ALL of my shots. I really feel that the game makes it nearly impossible for you to win crucial matches, it's just no natural. I've always felt that in ML to a certain point, but never to this extent. I'm gonna try one more season, if I don't win anything I'm giving up on ML.

But, to me, and I would like to receive some feedback on this to make sure I'm not the only one, the real issue with PES is your fucking teammates AI. They're SO FUCKING DUMB, they never do what they should be doing, they never search for open space, they're always glued to a opposition defender and sometimes (most of the time) they just stay still and look at you while you run up the field. It feels so frustrating operating an attack in ML, there's no space to shoot at goal from range, no way you're gonna dribble against AI and even if you get to shoot at goal, it goes straight to the keeper most of the time and if it doesn't it either gets saved brilliantly (i mean, AI GK's are outrageous, really) if it's shot from range or it hits someone in the way (most of the time your own teammates). I've been following the discussion on the shooting technique, I guarantee I use it and I guarantee that a lot of the time it doesn' work. Also, with passing, you either set it to manual and you can forget about doing it or you set it to auto and you can forget about passing to the player you want. I've been really really trying to like this game, and I do like some things about it, but I swear it's so frustrating, especially ML mode. It feels like it works against you, most of the time it's no fun and you end up losing a match because AI scores the one chance they get to shoot for the entire game and you don't score a single goal after 20 shots on goal. This translates into a really frustrating experience, in my opinion. Like I said, I'm gonnatry one more season, if it doesn't go my way this time, I'm trying out FIFA for the first time, I just can't have it anymore with Konami. Plus, the assisted AI sucks, at least in assisted mode, all they do is run forward, most of the times to an offside position, in a straight line and ignoring your position or the AI's CB's position. Manual I'll try to get a hold on soon but it's difficult to master.

Btw, been playing since Pes 6 (the last REALLY GOOD PES, in my opinion), lowered the difficulty to Pro and experimented with a multitude of tactics. Have patch 1.01 installed and play with 75% of pass assistance. Get about 15 shots on goal every game and probably score an average of 1 (if that many) per game.


Sorry about the rant, but Im really disappointed in this game, and this is becoming the norm in PES saga.
 
In fairness I think Konami know that Japan is not their target market any more. It's just one country, and while it is a big market it's dwarfed by their key markets in Europe and the Americas. I'm sure their focus has been on outside markets for a long time, ever since the PES brand first appeared and Konami started acquiring licenses to compete with Fifa.

I think the trouble is Konami has failed to identify trends in gaming and games development over the last five or six years and fallen badly out of touch. This is symptomatic of Japanese games developers as a whole. Their stereotypically quirky style of game is no longer seen as relevant or cutting edge, and hasn't been en vogue since the PS2.

What they really need is some kind of outside influence, whether it be recruiting a multinational teams of developers (like EA sports Fifa team) to bring in some fresh and modern perspectives, or set up a studio in Europe, or just sub-contracting work to companies outside Japan to help with the areas they struggle with.

Regarding engines, I think it's quite possible Konami will need to rebuild sooner rather than later, i.e. this generation. I guess it comes down to whether Konami think they can cruise along with the current engine and not completely destroy their brand before the PS4 hits, which let's face it, PES's stock is falling year on year. We all seem to think that building a new engine takes years but that may not be the case. They could surprise us next year. I think they would be wise to rebuild before the PS4 as even if the new engine is a little rough around the edges, it could still act as a vital stepping stone to the next consoles.

Also, this may be controversial but I think a complete reboot of the PES brand is required. A new engine and a new name. I don't think Konami has anything to lose and a lot to gain by doing so. PES is considered a bit of a joke these days, and the name is a bit dated and nonsensical (I've always thought of the name Pro Evolution Soccer as something you'd get from one of those random Japanese game name generators). I was listening to a couple of guys on a gaming podcast talking about this recently and I think a complete reboot could spark some interest and act as a clean slate.
 
Jamezinho said:
In fairness I think Konami know that Japan is not their target market any more. It's just one country, and while it is a big market it's dwarfed by their key markets in Europe and the Americas. I'm sure their focus has been on outside markets for a long time, ever since the PES brand first appeared and Konami started acquiring licenses to compete with Fifa.

I think the trouble is Konami has failed to identify trends in gaming and games development over the last five or six years and fallen badly out of touch. This is symptomatic of Japanese games developers as a whole. Their stereotypically quirky style of game is no longer seen as relevant or cutting edge, and hasn't been en vogue since the PS2.
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I think you're both right and wrong about your generalisation of Japanese developers and this generation. There's no doubt that the big Japanese games like Final Fantasy, GT and PES have been badly received this generation compared to previous iterations on, say, the PS2.

You're right too about what you imply about PES. Look at all the 'quirky' stuff they put into PES 2011 and 2012 that simply nobody cares about (the extra unlockable stuff). Even the quirky cut scenes in ML go into that category IMO. I appreciate them in a way but they add nothing to the game and all in all i find them really basic and as such find it hard to admire them. I mean it's no big deal but the inclusion generally shows that they're a bit out of touch with their own market. I've no doubt that such stuff is probably better received in Japan.

On the other hand a hell of a lot of Japanese games are still received well over in the West but just like the PS2 era they remain niche and their success is based on that. Games like Nier, Catherine, Tales of Vesperia, Resonance of Fate, No More Heroes, Trauma Center, Pheonix Wright etc still show that the quirky Japanese style still has appeal.

The only issue it is seems remains with the big Japanese games and their inability to, as you say, identify the changing trends in gaming over the past 5 or 6 years.
 
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On the other hand a hell of a lot of Japanese games are still received well over in the West but just like the PS2 era they remain niche and their success is based on that. Games like Nier, Catherine, Tales of Vesperia, Resonance of Fate, No More Heroes, Trauma Center, Pheonix Wright etc still show that the quirky Japanese style still has appeal.
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That's the thing though mate, they are all niche titles. People buy those games specifically because of their overt Japanese craziness/quirkiness/uniqueness. PES on the other hand is far from a niche title, even if that's where it's origins lie. We're talking about one of only two football games on the market that represent the most popular sport on Earth.

It has to have global, mainstream appeal to survive and to be taken seriously as a football sim. That means modern, cutting-edge tech, graphics, animations, sound, online modes and most importantly, gameplay. PES has to be developed the Western way if it's to have a future.

By the way, I wasn't being anti-Japanese games. While they are not to my tastes in the main, they very much have their place in modern gaming. It's just not a crowd PES belongs to any more.
 
Funny how i change my mind... i couldn't play more than 3 matchs tonight. The game simply is not fun.

Playing with teams like Lyon feels horrible, and it's horrible how the Ai is playing even on professional (without patch).

The Ai, how teammates moves to recieve the pass, it simply does not make sense at all, and how the cpu ai defends is fucking frustrating. My attacking play are nothing more and less the crossing to the area. CPU AI is terrible, nothing like football, so are my teammates. The game simply doesn't flow good as it does when i played with Barça or Bayer.
 
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pj_puttz said:
Agreed mate. The AI completely ignores the stats, especially stamina, and it has done in PES for as long as I can remember.

I think this is the only thing they can come up with that counteracts the speed and agression of a human player. That and not allowing you to select the player you want half of the time.

The fact is the AI cheats in PES, it always has and it probably always will. I complain about it but I can just about live with it to be honest because programming a game to beat a football fan at football, a sport the player has most likely watched and played for most of their life, is always going to be damn difficult.

It's the feeling of not being in full control I cant stand. The need to use super cancel just to get control of your player, the inconsistent shooting and passing, the dodgy power bar, the scripting and the "on rails" feel of the game at times makes me feel like I might as well put the controller down and just watch.

When I'm playing a football game I want to feel in control of the action, that's why I'm not that into football management sims.

There are too many occassions while playing PES 2012 where I feel pretty disconnected from the action and that's the reason I'm disappointed with it.
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Indeed. I think this is the big issue of pes 2012.

I can accept playing versus 11 Messis no matter how poor the cpu team is and trying to find a space in the box when you have 10 defenders inside it, but feels like the CPU is always trying to sabotate your game in various ways. Most of the time you can't do nothing but just watch because you don't have control of your own team.

I really would like to know if this is the so called Seabass philosofy or if its just "accidental" (couldn't find a better word)
 
Thinking of trading PES in this week for Fifa, i dont think Fifa is very good either but it seems to be the slightly better of the two. Just so many things wrong with PES 2012 and not being able to play online is a huge disappointment.
 
Jamezinho said:
In fairness I think Konami know that Japan is not their target market any more. It's just one country, and while it is a big market it's dwarfed by their key markets in Europe and the Americas. I'm sure their focus has been on outside markets for a long time, ever since the PES brand first appeared and Konami started acquiring licenses to compete with Fifa.

I think the trouble is Konami has failed to identify trends in gaming and games development over the last five or six years and fallen badly out of touch. This is symptomatic of Japanese games developers as a whole. Their stereotypically quirky style of game is no longer seen as relevant or cutting edge, and hasn't been en vogue since the PS2.

What they really need is some kind of outside influence, whether it be recruiting a multinational teams of developers (like EA sports Fifa team) to bring in some fresh and modern perspectives, or set up a studio in Europe, or just sub-contracting work to companies outside Japan to help with the areas they struggle with.

Regarding engines, I think it's quite possible Konami will need to rebuild sooner rather than later, i.e. this generation. I guess it comes down to whether Konami think they can cruise along with the current engine and not completely destroy their brand before the PS4 hits, which let's face it, PES's stock is falling year on year. We all seem to think that building a new engine takes years but that may not be the case. They could surprise us next year. I think they would be wise to rebuild before the PS4 as even if the new engine is a little rough around the edges, it could still act as a vital stepping stone to the next consoles.

Also, this may be controversial but I think a complete reboot of the PES brand is required. A new engine and a new name. I don't think Konami has anything to lose and a lot to gain by doing so. PES is considered a bit of a joke these days, and the name is a bit dated and nonsensical (I've always thought of the name Pro Evolution Soccer as something you'd get from one of those random Japanese game name generators). I was listening to a couple of guys on a gaming podcast talking about this recently and I think a complete reboot could spark some interest and act as a clean slate.
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Completely agree, I think PES could use a total re-branding under a different name. If they get the game up to next gen standards on new consoles, can immediately burst onto the scene with this brand new game that knocks people's socks off, under fresh, modern marketing and a new name, then doing this at the beginning of the next gen consoles would ensure its success. This is why I'm amazed that the makers of NBA2K don't give it a go. Bring something out that's quality, it'll sell well. People aren't that brand loyal, if a game comes out that surpasses FIFA and the old PES games by far in terms of gameplay and tech, people will soon flock to it. It's not like the market is over saturated with football games as it stands.
 
LTFC said:
Completely agree, I think PES could use a total re-branding under a different name. If they get the game up to next gen standards on new consoles, can immediately burst onto the scene with this brand new game that knocks people's socks off, under fresh, modern marketing and a new name, then doing this at the beginning of the next gen consoles would ensure its success. This is why I'm amazed that the makers of NBA2K don't give it a go. Bring something out that's quality, it'll sell well. People aren't that brand loyal, if a game comes out that surpasses FIFA and the old PES games by far in terms of gameplay and tech, people will soon flock to it. It's not like the market is over saturated with football games as it stands.
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The reason why no one else is giving football games a go is that Konami and EA have licenses on lock down.
 
lancers said:
Give it a try you might be pleasantly surprised.
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Played it at a friends, everything wrong with Fifa 11 is still there mostly the dredful defensive AI i have issue with as it's so easy to get 1 v 1 situations but it has improved in other area's and is still very playable.
 
^^^ Same here. Never liked FIFA and not really too fussed on this years game but PES is just dead for me. I still play it every night but find myself turning it off even before half time.

Every match turns into me dominating possession with the cpu camped in their own box, only for a wild clearance to fall perfectly to the feet of the 1 attacker they have who manages to hold it up despite being under pressure from a few of my players. He will then pass it perfectly to a teammate and turn it into a lightening fast counter, with my defender to idiotic to cut out even the simplest of passes right by the side of them. Same thing every god damn match :(
 
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