The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

[Ern Dog]

To be fair I dont think anyone can put up a real simulation of football these days. It's impossible. PES 5 and PES 6 were good games, but in no way a full representation of football. Football can be represented only to some extent in videogames. There's only as many variables a game can adhere to.

Imagine coding an infinite number of possibilities. Well, that's what football is.

I dont agree with this and think its probably where konami are going wrong. I remember reading a interview with some PES guy and he said that they code the game so you get a variety of outcomes from the same circumstances. In theory this is great but in practice, due I would imagine to a rusty old engine, it doesnt work that well and you can tell that they are rigging the outcome because things appear soo forced. I dont really see why things cant be done more organic but it would require a proper physics engine, which from what I have seen in other games is very achievable. If you had this then you would not have to hard code outcomes, just use some sort of randomizer for things like where they will strike the ball then let the physics decide the rest. Its similar to how the game works at the moment i guess but the physics engine is soo bad that they have to make things happen instead of letting it happen naturally, so to speak. For example how the shots are forced with the ball often going very close to the keeper, its like there are a set number of places in the goal where the ball can go. This forcing of events, even when they totally betray the user input is the games biggest problem in my opinion.

 

[Rooney10]

Seriously, the way pes has gone downhill compared to the amazing FIFA this year, the fans have got to wake up and in the process get konami to wake up as well.

Seriously, not a fanboy or anything, but FIFA is better than both pes 5/6 for me. Games that I played ALL the way for 3/4 years till pes2011.

 

[leandropuc86]

I dont agree with this and think its probably where konami are going wrong. I remember reading a interview with some PES guy and he said that they code the game so you get a variety of outcomes from the same circumstances. In theory this is great but in practice, due I would imagine to a rusty old engine, it doesnt work that well and you can tell that they are rigging the outcome because things appear soo forced. I dont really see why things cant be done more organic but it would require a proper physics engine, which from what I have seen in other games is very achievable. If you had this then you would not have to hard code outcomes, just use some sort of randomizer for things like where they will strike the ball then let the physics decide the rest. Its similar to how the game works at the moment i guess but the physics engine is soo bad that they have to make things happen instead of letting it happen naturally, so to speak. For example how the shots are forced with the ball often going very close to the keeper, its like there are a set number of places in the goal where the ball can go. This forcing of events, even when they totally betray the user input is the games biggest problem in my opinion.

Even the physics cant be that infinity of possibilities, but you're making a valid point and one that I totally agree. Konami are doing things the hard and robotic way. The scripted way.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Seriously, the way pes has gone downhill compared to the amazing FIFA this year, the fans have got to wake up and in the process get konami to wake up as well.

Seriously, not a fanboy or anything, but FIFA is better than both pes 5/6 for me. Games that I played ALL the way for 3/4 years till pes2011.

For alot of PES fans that's not only a subjective statement, but also highly insulting one.

 

[ono5985]

Seriously, the way pes has gone downhill compared to the amazing FIFA this year, the fans have got to wake up and in the process get konami to wake up as well.

Seriously, not a fanboy or anything, but FIFA is better than both pes 5/6 for me. Games that I played ALL the way for 3/4 years till pes2011.

A highly amusing statement if i've ever seen one.

I'm really enjoying Fifa 12 online and multiplayer, but single player has got to be the most boring representation of a football game i've possibly seen since.....erm.....Fifa 11.

 

[pes4lyfe]

ya know I played pes/fifa back to back 2 games each and I plauyed PEs 1st and was on pro level and I really enjoyed the games. I scored some very well worked goals and a nice free kick and was like this is a good game. I must keep!!!

Then I fired up FIFA and was lieke man this is so much more fun..


Therefroe IMO PES 2012 is a good game the problem is FIFA 12 is just sublime.


EA have really raised the bar since PS2 days and FIFA 12 is the pinnacle.

With a crapy FIFA I think wed be loving PES 2012 but as FIFA is now a top game PES is judged more harshly.


1 major thing I hate about PEs is the lack off feel and exictement often when you score. whats going on? on old pes and in new fifa when you score the atmoshphere the feeling off the ball in back of net its geat. I notice in PEs 2010-2012 the gmaes just lack some atmosphere, fans, cometary, animations? I dont know?

 

[muffinmak]

One of my major gripes is that you could hardly finish off 1-on-1's by slotting the ball to the bottom corners. I think I've only managed it one or two times. Even the slightest tap of the shoot button, the ball would not stay on the ground, resulting in it hitting the keeper's body/arm. Frustrating as hell!! In real life, players could tuck the ball into the net 8/10 times, in pes2012, its 1/10 if you're lucky!!

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

One of my major gripes is that you could hardly finish off 1-on-1's by slotting the ball to the bottom corners. I think I've only managed it one or two times. Even the slightest tap of the shoot button, the ball would not stay on the ground, resulting in it hitting the keeper's body/arm. Frustrating as hell!! In real life, players could tuck the ball into the net 8/10 times, in pes2012, its 1/10 if you're lucky!!

Not if you press R2 after you add the power and ensure you have your body-posture and angles correct.

 

[Northzzz]

ya know I played pes/fifa back to back 2 games each and I plauyed PEs 1st and was on pro level and I really enjoyed the games. I scored some very well worked goals and a nice free kick and was like this is a good game. I must keep!!!

Then I fired up FIFA and was lieke man this is so much more fun..


Therefroe IMO PES 2012 is a good game the problem is FIFA 12 is just sublime.


EA have really raised the bar since PS2 days and FIFA 12 is the pinnacle.

With a crapy FIFA I think wed be loving PES 2012 but as FIFA is now a top game PES is judged more harshly.

Not everybody here judges the games in comparison to each other. Personally i think it's a really immature way to judge things whether it be video games, film, art whatever. It's like saying well i can't like two things based on their own individual merits, no no, i have to compare and contrast them both because there has to be a winner. The problem is that it is the norm to do it, and therefore 'accepted', with video games so i can understand why you, or anybody would do it. That's a personal opinion i have with rivalry in video games though.

I think you're off the mark anyway as if there was a 'crappy fifa' i don't exactly think the inherent issues that many here have with PES would suddenly dissolve. There's no causal relation between the two after all. Sure some people would perhaps overlook them based on a point of view like 'well this game does it better so it's fine' or something but i'd like to think that not all would. I've played Fifa 12 less than 10 times, it doesn't mean that it has any relation to how i feel about PES.

 

[pes4lyfe]

Not everybody here judges the games in comparison to each other. Personally i think it's a really immature way to judge things whether it be video games, film, art whatever. It's like saying well i can't like two things based on their own individual merits, no no, i have to compare and contrast them both because there has to be a winner. The problem is that it is the norm to do it, and therefore 'accepted', with video games.

Well I arent comparing the 2 in an immature way.

What I am saying for me is:

When I play PES 2012 I think this is a good enjoyable game but then I put on FIFA 12 I think wow this game is much more fun.

Therefore as a result I desire play FIFA 12 and not play PES 2012.

When it was ps1 and ps2 days PES was a great game and there was no other choices anyway.


Is PES 2012 on its own as good a game as KONAMI used to consistently produce from 10-20 years ago up until 2007-2008?

Well Im not sure? It certainly is a good game not a bad unplayable rubbish game like 2008 and 2009 were for me. So judging alone based on KONAMI series of PES games it is a playable enjoyabel game for me. Though I think not as enjoyable as the older versions in their heyday.

Now on a wider comparison off choice of football games to play my mind gets excited to put on FIFA 12 rather than PES.


Its natural to make comparison when there are 2 good thigns to compare.

PReviously FIFA could not even be mentioned in the same sentence as PES.

Its like MAn city and MAn utd. 5-10 years ago youd only ever talk about Man utd as a good Manchester team. Now if you are an alien and land in mAnchester and want to support the best team you have a choice. And for many maybe that better team is now CIty? Whereas before there was no choice to be made.

Sure PEs on its onw right has good and bad parts irraltive to FIFA. But for me PES always had good and bad aprts but i didnt care to evalaute them I just enjoyed the game and got on with it becuase FIFA was total crap and PES was only game Id play. NOw I actually am evaulting FIFA and PES because I cant play 2 games and trying to chose one means I ammore harshly critical of the pros and cons off each game as I decide which one I want to play.

If I gave you a Ferrari or a Daewoo would you care about some off the small faults of the FErrari no youd just take it and use it.

Now if you have choice of FErrari or Porcshe off course you are going to think more critically about pros and cons off which and which one you want to drive.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

Don't you dare mention Porsche in the same sentence as Ferrari

 

[pes4lyfe]

Don't you dare mention Porsche in the same sentence as Ferrari

tbh i went a bit off there lol.

Anyway PES 2012 is a good game IMO. Without comparing to PES5 or FIFA 12. Pes 2012 as a stand alone game is good.

All I need now is a patch for full strips/teams that doesnt crash in master league and about20-30 new stadiums that also dont crash the game. (as was my exp with PEs 2011)

 

[pes4lyfe]

Hvaing played a lot more Pes tonight and fifa. PES feels more real and dynamic. So many moves and games and goals in FIFA are same thing over and over. In PES anythign can happen though it also has scripted moments.

THing is though usually this would make me say FIFA is crap. But for some reason FIFA is still fun but when I play FIFA many goals and matches are repetitive. Its weird thats why i used to hate FIFA. but for some reason I like it though its nowhere near as free, open and dynamic as PES I guess it aint as bad as it used to be?

 

[Lons]

@Pes4lyfe

I have different feeling than you.

When i play PES 2012 i feel it's good game with fun.

When i play FIFA 12 i feel wow this game technically looks superb but without fun. I mean the game technically is brillant but game play is so much boring for me.

In my opinion FIFA feel exactly like in PS2 days but smart move from EA was created SUPERB animations engine which totally change looking into the game. Look for FIFA 12 in particular on assist passing and imagine animations from PS2. Game play will be looking exactly the same shit like in PS2. Smart EA, smart, smart...

 

[pj_puttz]

Not if you press R2 after you add the power and ensure you have your body-posture and angles correct.

Couldn't disagree more.

Nearly everyone agrees the shooting is broken in this game, which is strange because they had it almost perfect in PES 2011 in my opinion. Especially the slotted finishes into the corners, which were great.

Now I find the R2 finishes rarely work the way I want them to and the game pretty much ignores which direction you press 50-75% of the time.

So in one fell swoop Konami have taken away most of the enjoyment of scoring a goal because it doesn't really feel like YOU did it. That has got to be one of THE most stupid programming errors ever made in a game. Shooting and passing should be first on the list of things to get as close to perfect as you possibly can in a football game yet they are the two things Konami have made a rip roaring arse of.

Also, footballers can find the corners with a finish from all sorts of body postures and angles so that argument isn't valid. Hitting the ball almost straight at the keeper 99% of the time when I'm bearing straight down on goal and have pressed R2 and aimed at one of the corners is not acceptable.

The days of having to run in at an angle to score a goal into the corner are long gone. Well, they should be anyway.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Couldn't disagree more.

Nearly everyone agrees the shooting is broken in this game, which is strange because they had it almost perfect in PES 2011 in my opinion. Especially the slotted finishes into the corners, which were great.

Now I find the R2 finishes rarely work the way I want them to and the game pretty much ignores which direction you press 50-75% of the time.

So in one fell swoop Konami have taken away most of the enjoyment of scoring a goal because it doesn't really feel like YOU did it. That has got to be one of THE most stupid programming errors ever made in a game. Shooting and passing should be first on the list of things to get as close to perfect as you possibly can in a football game yet they are the two things Konami have made a rip roaring arse of.

Also, footballers can find the corners with a finish from all sorts of body postures and angles so that argument isn't valid. Hitting the ball almost straight at the keeper 99% of the time when I'm bearing straight down on goal and have pressed R2 and aimed at one of the corners is not acceptable.

The days of having to run in at an angle to score a goal into the corner are long gone. Well, they should be anyway.

I'm sorry but I have no problem whatsoever, your simply doing it wrong. It certainly is more stat specific this year, but give yourself the right angle, and hold the direction more, and you'll have no problem. I'm playing on 1.01. That shouldnt make any difference though, as I could pull it off quite naturally on the Demo's as well. If I had a problem with it, I would state it, but I dont. It's certainly not a forgone conclusion like PES 2011, but in my opinion, that was too easy and detrimental to realism.

Check my video in the PES 2012 Discussion Thread, the 3-3 Thriller. Riquelme's goal is a perfect example of what I have just mentioned. Everything about it is correct.

 

[pj_puttz]

I'm sorry but I have no problem whatsoever, your simply doing it wrong. It certainly is more stat specific this year, but give yourself the right angle, and hold the direction more, and you'll have no problem. I'm playing on 1.01. That shouldnt make any difference though, as I could pull it off quite naturally on the Demo's as well. If I had a problem with it, I would state it, but I dont. It's certainly not a forgone conclusion like PES 2011, but in my opinion, that was too easy and detrimental to realism.

Check my video in the PES 2012 Discussion Thread, the 3-3 Thriller. Riquelme's goal is a perfect example of what I have just mentioned. Everything about it is correct.

Yeah so me and countless others on this forum are simply "doing it wrong". Come on mate!

It's hardly a complicated shooting system is it? Hold R2 and press the direction you want the shot to go with the required power aint rocket science so how exactly do you think I'm "doing it wrong"? Obviously it's "stat specific" (well for human players it is, stats dont seem to bother the AI) so that's stating the bleeding obvious. I am aware of the fact that PES games have stats. I dont expect EVERY shot with EVERY player to bury itself in the corner but I certainly dont expect the AI to decide where my shots go regardless of which direction I press. As I'm not the only one experiencing this I very much doubt we're all "simply doing it wrong".

I get the feeling that you are willing to accept it as some sort of realism that a lot of shots dont go where you want them to and that's fine. Surely though you cant accept shots going in completely the opposite direction to the one you pressed? Or the power of your shots being pretty random no matter how long you hold the shoot button? Are you telling us you have never experienced these things? EVER?

I would find that very difficult to believe considering these seem to be recognised flaws by most people. Maybe you simply dont notice it?

Or maybe you're simply not paying enough attention when you play PES? I'm sure you find that accusation just as ridiculous as I found your "simply doing it wrong" explanation of what I mentioned.

 

[muffinmak]

@Jimmy

Honestly how many times could you pull that riquelme low shot? Plus, it doesnt hug the ground although it went in. Using that move, and getting all the angles, posture and button combos, you'd be lucky if you could tuck it in HALF the time.

The problem is it's programmed to be forever slightly off the ground, conveniently hitting the keeper in their sliding dive animation. Mind you, I could put my shots into the corners most of the time with regular shots. I just feel it's stupid they made the 1-on-1 finishing less successful than shooting from half-chances and from range.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I genuinely don't know what to say. I just dont seem to be having an issue. I didn't score the Riquelme goal, but I did score the first one off the video and that was an R2 shot placed in the far corner. Ok, maybe people aren't doing it wrong, I'm certainly doing something right though.

 

[muffinmak]

Respect.

Good for you that you're not bothered by it. I could just bear it, I doubt I could convince my buddies to take the effort to master it though. Hopefully the new patch could fix it to a certain extent.

It's getting extremely difficult to convince ex-pes fans to pick it up again.

 

[P34SEMM]

Hi
I’m a long term fan of the PES series and have been since ISS on SNes.
I have bought every version from ISS right up to PES12.
I bought the very first Fifa on Mega drive and instantly disliked it.
I’ve played a few Fifas over the years but never liked it. Always felt soulless.
Pes gave you real jump of the bed moments when you scored.
So on to this year and………..
Pes12 is a truly awful (untested and unfinished) gaming experience.
Keepers, Run bug, shooting, passing, constant free kicks etc.

So I took the plunge and traded PES12 for Fifa12. I was amazed.
Fifa12 has improved amazingly and is a really good game. It’s not perfect. But you put the disc in and it’s all there.
No constant mucking around trying to convince yourself it’s a good game when you know something’s not right.

I never want to get into a Fifa v PES debate but always ending up doing so. I think its because it’s they are the only 2 football games out there so comparisons will always be made.

PES5 and PES6 were the best games Konami or anyone made but they have been on the decline ever since.
Such a shame. Hopefully PES13 will be the game we want but I think that maybe Konami have lost their gaming magic.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Ok, so just to be certain that I genuinely 'was paying attention' when playing, Ive just gone to Free Training, and I 100% stand by what I have stated. I'm finding any corners I wish, using Kevin Davies of Bolton. There isn't a replay option in training now so I'm going to set up a two-player game on Beginner and record some footage. In Training Ive just over-cooked 3 R2 control shots in a row, and hit the outside of the post on every occasion.

 

[pj_puttz]

Ok, so just to be certain that I genuinely 'was paying attention' when playing, Ive just gone to Free Training, and I 100% stand by what I have stated. I'm finding any corners I wish, using Kevin Davies of Bolton. There isn't a replay option in training now so I'm going to set up a two-player game on Beginner and record some footage. In Training Ive just over-cooked 3 R2 control shots in a row, and hit the outside of the post on every occasion.

Try it while playing the Master League mate. Or any other competition against the AI for that matter.

It mostly during competition with the AI that the shooting bugs appear, no one gives a monkeys what happens in training mode!

Do you play against the AI much? If not that could explain why you have failed to notice the wonky shooting.

 

[P34SEMM]

The days of spending all day playing PES are long gone. I can remember getting a few mates round and playing till 1, 2 in the morning and having to reluctantly swtich off when realising how late(or early) it is. Or taking my dog out for a walk and spending the whole time thinking about my ML team and how to tweak the formation or what players I need to buy. Now all I can manage is about an hour before I am totally bored and frustrated.

This sums up where PES is for me and my mates now.
Yes we have all grown up in our mid-30s with kids and dont have even half the time to spend on Pro but this is 2011 which equals...online gaming.
Years ago we dreamed of playing PES from our own living rooms instead of all cramming round a mates house and pissing off their parents as we were hogging the TV.......For hours.
Now we have online gaming how many of my mates do you reckon own PES12? One.
Thats one out of about 8 who loved PES and wouldnt dare even mention Fifa or even look at a Fifa box. They have all moved over to Fifa.
It started with Fifa08. I was loyal. Up until this year. Such a shame.

 

[P34SEMM]

Wow, do you know if thats the worst its ever been? Or what sort of ratio there was with PES5/6.

Since the games have been released as a head to head release, PES has won it once. pes6 beat Fifa that year.
Then PES released the awful PES08 and EA released FIFA08 which is when people say it got amazingly good.
Since then its been FIFA all the way for most people.

Another stat is that FIFA12 is selling more on the PS2 than PES12 does on the 360!

Amazing.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Try it while playing the Master League mate. Or any other competition against the AI for that matter.

It mostly during competition with the AI that the shooting bugs appear, no one gives a monkeys what happens in training mode!

Do you play against the AI much? If not that could explain why you have failed to notice the wonky shooting.

Hey look, I'm sick to death of people whinging that the shooting is broken just because they cant seem to pull off what they want. PES is technical and you will get the most success if you adhere to the fundamentals of the real-life techniques. PES also does tinker with the shooting from year to year, it keeps things fresh and sometimes you do have the re-learn, but that's what keeps it interesting. At all times though, fundamentals are paramout. The classic yearly PES change-up is the shooting with regards to how much power is required from your de-press. Konami alternate this from year to year, as I've mentioned quite a few times. PES 2008 more power was needed to get the same result, PES 2009 was the opposite just a slight de-press. PES 2010 more power, PES 2011 less, PES 2012 more. That's why, every year the complaints alternate. This year it's 'Shooting is shit, you cant hit it hard enough'. Last year was 'I keep skying my shots over the bar, shooting is shit'. It happens every year without fail. Then people catch on.

I play against the A.I, and the footage I've just captured was against the A.I., albeit 2-player. I'm not buying some bullshit excuse it only happens in ML, thats rubbish. I play CL and have no problems.

A few tips that may help you. When coming square one-on-one, (Attacking to the right-end of the stadium) tap the shoot then hold down up for the keepers right-hand side, or down for the keeper's left-hand side), then tap R2. Just like in real-life, your consistency will increase if you slow down before attempting the placed shot. It's possible at the end of a sprint, as shown in the video I'm going to show, but it's better to get the ball closer to your body for the more precise placement.

Also, always be aware of the players preferred foot and technique, I'm sure this is already obvious though. Make sure the angles are correct and relevant, although PES gives the better rated finishers alot more lee-way in this regard and compensates. I feel many people maybe pushing the pad or stick in the corners, rather than up and down, and also not holding long enough.

The video footage I've just taken highlights all the R2 control shots from differing angles. I tried to cover as many as possible in the short time I've just had, and it's also not easy to create 1-on-1's due to the other players CPU A.i. I caught all the footage you will need though. I used Bolton, an average team with average strikers. Davies scored a few, better strikers will find the corners alot more consistently, but Kev had no real issues. I even scored one with a 68 rated DMF with shooting accuracy below 70. He obviously didnt place it right in the corner, but it was close enough. I also captured a R2 control shot whilst running at pace, those are obviously less consistent due to the lesser percentage rate of that particular technique. I've included some keeper saves as well, only because I had little time, but the point of the matter was that the ball is still directed and aiming for the far corners, even though the keeper saved it. Also, I've included a Tucay R2 placed shot that I actually over-cooked, I held the direction down for too long.

After all the one-on-one's I decided to add some goals I have scored recently. All completely quashing many peoples complaints about different types of shooting. There is a 30 yard + low driven strike with bend from Petrov, right into the bottom corner. People say that isnt possible. Well, it is. That comes off the back of an R2 'Nutmeg' as well, a superb goal. There are some other long-rangers and free-kicks, then to top it off, a two-player Co-op game highlights of England. Three amazing strikes, two from Gerrard and one from Carroll.

I figured I'd make a little compilation of all the goals and shooting techniques that people suggest are broken. I've called it Myth-Buster, I'll upload it as soon as it's converted, it's on the I-Phone so the app aint the quickest.

 

[leandropuc86]

Hey look, I'm sick to death of people whinging that the shooting is broken just because they cant seem to pull off what they want. PES is technical and you will get the most success if you adhere to the fundamentals of the real-life techniques. PES also does tinker with the shooting from year to year, it keeps things fresh and sometimes you do have the re-learn, but that's what keeps it interesting. At all times though, fundamentals are paramout. The classic yearly PES change-up is the shooting with regards to how much power is required from your de-press. Konami alternate this from year to year, as I've mentioned quite a few times. PES 2008 more power was needed to get the same result, PES 2009 was the opposite just a slight de-press. PES 2010 more power, PES 2011 less, PES 2012 more. That's why, every year the complaints alternate. This year it's 'Shooting is shit, you cant hit it hard enough'. Last year was 'I keep skying my shots over the bar, shooting is shit'. It happens every year without fail. Then people catch on.

I play against the A.I, and the footage I've just captured was against the A.I., albeit 2-player. I'm not buying some bullshit excuse it only happens in ML, thats rubbish. I play CL and have no problems.

A few tips that may help you. When coming square one-on-one, (Attacking to the right-end of the stadium) tap the shoot then hold down up for the keepers right-hand side, or down for the keeper's left-hand side), then tap R2. Just like in real-life, your consistency will increase if you slow down before attempting the placed shot. It's possible at the end of a sprint, as shown in the video I'm going to show, but it's better to get the ball closer to your body for the more precise placement.

Also, always be aware of the players preferred foot and technique, I'm sure this is already obvious though. Make sure the angles are correct and relevant, although PES gives the better rated finishers alot more lee-way in this regard and compensates. I feel many people maybe pushing the pad or stick in the corners, rather than up and down, and also not holding long enough.

The video footage I've just taken highlights all the R2 control shots from differing angles. I tried to cover as many as possible in the short time I've just had, and it's also not easy to create 1-on-1's due to the other players CPU A.i. I caught all the footage you will need though. I used Bolton, an average team with average strikers. Davies scored a few, better strikers will find the corners alot more consistently, but Kev had no real issues. I even scored on with a 68 rated DMF with shooting accuracy below 70. He obviously didnt place it right in the corner, but it was close enough. I also captured a R2 control shot whilst running at pace, those are obviously less consistent due to the lesser percentage rate of that particular technique. I've included some keeper save as well, only because I had little time, but the point of the matter was that the ball is still directed and aiming for the far corners, even though the keeper saved it. Also, I included a Tucay R2 placed shot that I actually over-cooked, I held direction down for too long.

After all the one-on-one's I decided to add some goals I have scored recently. All completely quashing many peoples complaints about different types of shooting. There is a 30 yard + low driven strike with bend from Petrov, right into the bottom corner. People say that isnt possible. Well, it is. That comes off the back of an R2 'Nutmeg' as well, a superb goal. There are some other long-rangers and free-kicks, then to top it off, a two-player Co-op game highlights of England. Three amazing strikes, two from Gerrard and one from Carroll.

I figured I'd make a little compilation of all the goals and shooting techniques that people suggest are broken. I've called it Myth-Buster, I'll upload it as soon as it's converted, it's on the I-Phone so the app aint the quickest.

This is enlightening. I usually hold down diagonal, not down or up. Will try this later. Diagonal is kind of working for me tho, so let's see.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

That's the problem, holding down diagonal can easily be registered as right. Which would mean they would hit it straight down the keepers throat. If you consider how the penalties were last year from the side-on view, and that's the exact same technique you need to use.

 

[leandropuc86]

That's the problem, holding down diagonal can easily be registered as right. Which would mean they would hit it straight down the keepers throat. If you consider how the penalties were last year from the side-on view, and that's the exact same technique you need to use.

Yes, I remember. Thanks for the advice, will try a couple in free training when I get home from work.

 

[Jamezinho]

Pes gave you real jump of the bed moments when you scored.

I've not truly felt this for a while with PES. That satisfying feeling when you put together a move a score.

Fifa 12 has actually given me many of these moments already and I seriously never ever thought I would say that about a Fifa game. While Fifa 12 is far from perfect it does at least give a true feeling of the ball and players being free and separate entities. This freedom allows for many different types of goals to be scored and for all kinds of randomness that used to be associated with PES.