The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

[Jamezinho]

I wonder how much longer the series will run for in its current state. Every year it seems more people leave PES for FIFA and you dont really see anyone that goes the other way. Maybe next gen will be a reversal, much like EA saw they needed a massive change when coming into this generation. The problem with that is PES has already lost soo much of its fan base and FIFA is now good enough that even if PES did come good next gen I cant see it being enough to take away FIFAs fans, not when they have a perfectly good game that requires no patching for authenticity.

In fairness, PES2011 did a lot to bring people back to PES, or at least revived interest in the series from former fans. It had its fair share of issues but was a statement of intent, and an attempted change of direction. I think 2012 will win a few more back as, in the main, most seem to be enjoying it. The problems manifested themselves very early for me this year and perhaps they will push a few more over the edge with time. I do feel as though some of the good work last year has been undone.

The early UK sales figures are appalling though. Wake-up calls don't get much louder.

 

[Srider]

After 2 weeks I have uninstalled this game. Yesterday I played 3 ML games and spent the entire time shaking my head and spotting things that need fixing. Apart from PES2011 I dont think I have ever played a game with as many problems as this, there are soo many things wrong with the games core mechanics. Its unplayable for me and I dont understand how anyone could be satisfied with it.

A few times in a match it will produce some of that old PES magic but it is swiftly countered with some new PES magic. Like dribbling past 3 players on the edge of the box with Ettori only to run into 7 more inside of it. Or scrambling around inside the box frantically trying to clear the ball, getting it out to your play maker who spots your CF is about to run off the CB, fully powering up a L2 pass to hit it in behind for him to run onto and it travels about 30 yards straight to him. Or passing it out from the back and playing it around in the midfield, builing up a brilliant passing move, hitting a long ball from wing to wing and the game selects a player in the middle of the pitch who has the ball about 20 foot above his head and even when you deselect him he still chases the ball all the way out to the wing and stands next to the intended recipient which limits his options and ruins the move.

Also the game suffers from the old PES problems as well as the new ones. Things like what Northzzz described where players have difficulty tracking a ball that has deviated from its intended destination. And one of the most annoying is where a player will casually jog onto a through ball allowing a defender to close in instead of running onto it and getting a 1 on 1. How stuff like this has yet to be ironed out I dont know.

It all adds up to a game which gives a bit of joy and excitement but is overwhelmingly annoying and frustrating. Unless Seabass decides that building PS3 games with PS2 engines is no longer acceptable I think this will be my last PES purchase. Unfortunately I downloaded it from Gamesplanet and cant trade it in otherwise I would of tried FIFA.

The days of spending all day playing PES are long gone. I can remember getting a few mates round and playing till 1, 2 in the morning and having to reluctantly swtich off when realising how late(or early) it is. Or taking my dog out for a walk and spending the whole time thinking about my ML team and how to tweak the formation or what players I need to buy. Now all I can manage is about an hour before I am totally bored and frustrated.

I'm done with this game as well. How can a game like this pass Q&A is beyond me. So many times your intended pass receiver will just stand there and let the ball go between his legs so he can chase it for no reason at all. There is no way of knowing if the AI will do this or not so you can't anticipate it and attempt to force the game to play a normal game.

The pass initiated off the ball movement is also mind boggling. You watch your foward AI teammate, power up the meter to 75% passing from mid field to outside the box, trying to move the ball up field, only for the game to decide that your 75% power should be 10% power, and your forward starts running back trying to chase a severely under-hit ball. Off the ball movement should not be initiated automatically like this. The game should let you control your teammate after the pass is in mid flight.

For all the things this game does right, each of them introduces new elements of broken mechanics. This time it is so bad that basic passing doesn't work. If no patch comes along, what a waste of money this year. So sad...as a PES fan...

 

[Ern Dog]

Being outsold in Britain by 25-1 is staggering,

Wow, do you know if thats the worst its ever been? Or what sort of ratio there was with PES5/6.

In fairness, PES2011 did a lot to bring people back to PES, or at least revived interest in the series from former fans. It had its fair share of issues but was a statement of intent, and an attempted change of direction.

The thing is Jamez, it seems to me that the current engine does not want to be taken in that direction and that hurts them even further because the end product is shoddy.

Check out this video.
YouTube - pes 3 vs pes 2010

The gameplay looks more or less identical. The 3rd PS3 game looks like a HD version of the 1st PS2 one, thats shocking when you think of the gigantic leap taken by the competition in that time.

 

[Lons]

Please guys stop write bullshit about FIFA fans because they never like Pes. All the time they love FIFA specialy for 08. At that time they hate Pes. I can say the same. I bougt FIFA 3 days ago to check it. For me is still FIFA, the same feeling,scripting when score a goal, boring game etc. Impact Engine is a joke. Stop writting how FIFA is super because it's not. First tought of course is brillant but when you look deep to game play is shit for me.

- scripting goal

- momentum

- game on assist is a joke online

- all games looks very similar

- pseudo individuality

- 90% peopele play on full assist online

- impact engine is ridiculous in game

Please stop writting how this game is good. If you don't like Pes ok but FIFA is still shit for many of us too.

 

[pes4lyfe]

PEs has a double whammy problem they always had a lack of fanbase off the casual gamer due to lack of licenses.

SO even old crappy fifa got big sales due to the licenses and advertising.

PES had to sell itself on its gameplay and did that well.


Now, it still lacks licenses, lacks animations +gfx coampred to FIFA we could say, and lakcs gameplay.

Even when FIFA was worse than the worst PES prob PES 2008 it still prob outsold PES due to the brand name ''fifa'' plus licenses

 

[Lons]

"Being outsold in Britain by 25-1 is staggering,
Wow, do you know if thats the worst its ever been? Or what sort of ratio there was with PES5/6."

FIFA is one game in the world who have licenses for Premiership!

What do you think casual not buy this game? Of course the will buy. 90% are casual. This is the answer. Six years ago PS3 and Xbox did't exist. Ask about situation 6 years ago about selling is silly. In that time was totally different situation on the market.

 

[leandropuc86]

Please guys stop write bullshit about FIFA fans because they never like Pes. All the time they love FIFA specialy for 08. At that time they hate Pes. I can say the same. I bougt FIFA 3 days ago to check it. For me is still FIFA, the same feeling,scripting when score a goal, boring game etc. Impact Engine is a joke. Stop writting how FIFA is super because it's not. First tought of course is brillant but when you look deep to game play is shit for me.

- scripting goal

- momentum

- game on assist is a joke online

- all games looks very similar

- pseudo individuality

- 90% peopele play on full assist online

- impact engine is ridiculous in game

Please stop writting how this game is good. If you don't like Pes ok but FIFA is still shit for many of us too.

PES on assisted is also a joke online and you can't say it lacks momentum issues. Try losing two games on a roll on Master League and you will see what i'm talking about. At the same time, win two on a roll and your team will look unbeatable.

There's also momentum inside games - when you just concede you're more prone to conceding another one just after. You've also got to be joking about the scripting goal - scripting is the name of the game on PES, even more so than in FIFA.

At least in FIFA it doesnt look so blatant, while on PES it makes you feel cheated. Btw, I didnt buy FIFA this year, I'm playing PES almost exclusively for the last 4-5 months, 2011 and 2012.

 

[Jamezinho]

"Being outsold in Britain by 25-1 is staggering,
Wow, do you know if thats the worst its ever been? Or what sort of ratio there was with PES5/6."

FIFA is one game in the world who have licenses for Premiership!

What do you think casual not buy this game? Of course the will buy. 90% are casual. This is the answer. Six years ago PS3 and Xbox did't exist. Ask about situation 6 years ago about selling is silly. In that time was totally different situation on the market.

So why is it PES has never been out-sold by such an embarrassingly huge ratio in the past? Its never had the premier league licence before and sold strongly.

Because on the PS2 everything about PES was cutting edge - the gameplay, the animations, the graphics.....even the audio was decent. It did nearly everything better than Fifa and the strength of the product attracted the hardcore and casuals alike.

With each passing year the list of things PES does better than Fifa is getting smaller and smaller. The sales figures reflect this.

It's a simple as that really.

 

[pj_puttz]

It's a sad day indeed when we don't have a football game worth playing on any current platform. There are only two choices and they're both poor representations of the beautiful game in my opinion.

Probably the most popular sport on the planet and no one can produce a decent simulation of it. What is that about?

It feels like neither Konami nor EA fully understand the game of football. It's like someone who watched a football game once has flown to their planet to describe the game to them and they have built the game around that description.

 

[Northzzz]

It's a sad day indeed when we don't have a football game worth playing on any current platform. There are only two choices and they're both poor representations of the beautiful game in my opinion.

Probably the most popular sport on the planet and no one can produce a decent simulation of it. What is that about?

It feels like neither Konami nor EA fully understand the game of football. It's like someone who watched a football game once has flown to their planet to describe the game to them and they have built the game around that description.

I agree. I generally think there's too much stock put in to the way both developers think football is played, i.e how it looks like it is being played on TV, and the the way it is in fact being played. There's no way such fundamental things would be overlooked if the developers put more interest in the latter rather than the former.

The thing is though i think Fifa does what it sets out to do well. Fifa sets out to make every game look like a thrilling match. The kind of game people always want to see on TV. It lets them play out this fantasy and looks good whilst doing so. I don't buy when people say Fifa 2012 is good replication of football. It doesn't play like one at all. There's no need to get into why but as i said there's far too many fundamental limitations that are still overlooked to keep the gameplay a constantly enjoyable experience. As a video game it's absolutely fantastic but as a football game i'm not convinced. Fifa is to gaming what Sky Sports is to television coverage. I personally like watching Sky Sports, it's enjoyable, but at the same time it doesn't exactly put tactical analysis about football over gloss and entertainment.

Konami on the other hand seems to have no basis for what they want PES 2012 to be like. I honestly cannot tell where this iteration of the game sits. I don't know what kind of game they were going for this year but it's neither an enjoyable yet unrealistic experience like Fifa and neither is it a replication of the nitty gritty side of football. It's frustrating for the most part because of all the problems with the game. It's not awful, in fact it's half decent, but it 100% doesn't feel like a finished game from this generation or one that concerned itself with ironing out any problems way before release and that's the problem for me. Why the hell would anybody think that a game that feels unfinished is acceptable? It's dragging its own name through the mud in my opinion. I don't see any reason for anybody to convert from Fifa to PES anymore. If anything i'd expect them just to stop playing football games for this year at least.

I would be really surprised if Konami aren't working on their game for the ps4, xbox 720, current gen pcs at the moment. They need to get ahead because this generation they have been so far behind and judging by their frailties when they do go behind they probably won't want to go through it all again.

 

[Ameppe]

I wonder how much longer the series will run for in its current state. Every year it seems more people leave PES for FIFA and you dont really see anyone that goes the other way. Maybe next gen will be a reversal, much like EA saw they needed a massive change when coming into this generation. The problem with that is PES has already lost soo much of its fan base and FIFA is now good enough that even if PES did come good next gen I cant see it being enough to take away FIFAs fans, not when they have a perfectly good game that requires no patching for authenticity.

who cares if it will not be able to take away fifa fans the first next gen title. Fifa fans are for the most part ex Pes fans, and they will be happy to jump on pes bandwagon again if the game will be great.
Konami must worry first and foremost to create a completely new start for Pes series. If the game will be good the sames will start growing in two-three years.

My only question is: did they understand they have to scratch everything about the current gen Pes? Or they will do the same mistake using an old engine on new consoles?

 

[goalgerd]

This is from chimps for UK PS3,i urge you who can to try it,its only 1 file and i think it will make a difference for you


Here it is my first game play file for 2012

http://www.filesonic.com/file/2832683775

I managed to get A LOT more teams edited than I expected to today, this is largely due to some teams having most of their stats upgraded and then just needing their new players done and a very patient girlfriend

All of players at the top clubs in England have been done
All of the players at most big european teams in france, germany, italy, portugal and spain have been done
At least the starting lineups from clubs from turkey, greece, russia, nortern europe have been done as well as some subs
The two south american teams have been done

All of the top european teams have been tested and where as some where ridiculous like Barcelona and Real and others were rubbish like Valencia (in fact most of the rest of the spanish league) all have been made more realistic and balanced.

I have also checked the big national sides to make sure there lineups have all been edited

All teams should give you a challanging game on top player
You should find the game play smoother, much better paced and competitive

Attackers from most clubs should be able to do the job a decent footballer should instead of being shocking at smaller clubs.

Defences should seem tighter and keepers should be much better.

THIS WAS WRITTEN ON KONAMI PATCH 1.01, I have no idea how it will play on 1.0, but it should definitely be tried on 1.01 before making a decision on what you want to use, as I think 1.0 may play too fast and floaty with my stat changed to make it smoother for 1.01

No championship teams have been edited yet, this will happen at a later date as well as a comprehensive update of any teams and subs I have not yet done as well as any changes after feedback.

 

[Lons]

So why is it PES has never been out-sold by such an embarrassingly huge ratio in the past? Its never had the premier league licence before and sold strongly.

Because on the PS2 everything about PES was cutting edge - the gameplay, the animations, the graphics.....even the audio was decent. It did nearly everything better than Fifa and the strength of the product attracted the hardcore and casuals alike.

With each passing year the list of things PES does better than Fifa is getting smaller and smaller. The sales figures reflect this.

It's a simple as that really.

I tell you why Pes in the past never out sold so huge FIFA. Becasue next gen consoles didn't exist at that time. Ps2 and Pc were on the market. Pes on Pc start whe Pes 3 was release. It was something new for pc gamers. They played only FIFA O N L Y! for 10 years. KONAMI did't have to much time to advertise Pes on Pc. You should understand that most of gamers are casual. They love licenses. Seabass 6 years ago when PES was the strongest in the world said: If we want compete with EA we have to have more licenses" Ca you believe it? FIFA was big shit at that time and sold 6-7 milions coppy. Who bought it? Who? CASUALS! FIFA is only one football game in the globe who have the best league in the world. It's name Premiership! Why they put milions Euro to have it exclusive? Why? Because they know how profit they have to casuals gamers! I have no doubt if Pes have better animations + all leagues what FIFA has selling would be very similar. Do you know that Pes have similar or a little bit better selling in Spain and Italy? How do you know why? Maybe leauges? Yes Pes have La Liga and Italian leagues ( all licensed teams). Do you know that FIFA has much, much better selling in Germany and Englad? How do you know why? Yes FIFA has exclisive these two leagues. I give you another example in my country POLAND. Most of people play FIFA. Why?......Do you kno whow EA advertise FIFA on TV, markets, stadiums etc Before release the game all what I see is word F I F A! In all places! In this situation 80 % play FIFA it's mean FIFA is better game because selling is much better.Noooo! It's to easye to say it.

 

[Dryzer]

So why is it PES has never been out-sold by such an embarrassingly huge ratio in the past? Its never had the premier league licence before and sold strongly.

Because on the PS2 everything about PES was cutting edge - the gameplay, the animations, the graphics.....even the audio was decent. It did nearly everything better than Fifa and the strength of the product attracted the hardcore and casuals alike.

With each passing year the list of things PES does better than Fifa is getting smaller and smaller. The sales figures reflect this.

It's a simple as that really.

Amen to that. A terrible loss to gaming this series.

 

[Dryzer]

I tell you why Pes in the past never out sold so huge FIFA. Becasue next gen consoles didn't exist at that time. Ps2 and Pc were on the market. Pes on Pc start whe Pes 3 was release. It was something new for pc gamers. They played only FIFA O N L Y! for 10 years. KONAMI did't have to much time to advertise Pes on Pc. You should understand that most of gamers are casual. They love licenses. Seabass 6 years ago when PES was the strongest in the world said: If we want compete with EA we have to have more licenses" Ca you believe it? FIFA was big shit at that time and sold 6-7 milions coppy. Who bought it? Who? CASUALS! FIFA is only one football game in the globe who have the best league in the world. It's name Premiership! Why they put milions Euro to have it exclusive? Why? Because they know how profit they have to casuals gamers! I have no doubt if Pes have better animations + all leagues what FIFA has selling would be very similar.

I think you are clutching at some very short straws mate.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

I tell you why Pes in the past never out sold so huge FIFA.

PES has outsold Fifa twice before, and when it didnt outsell Fifa it was very close sales wise.

 

[Jamezinho]

I tell you why Pes in the past never out sold so huge FIFA. Becasue next gen consoles didn't exist at that time. Ps2 and Pc were on the market. Pes on Pc start whe Pes 3 was release. It was something new for pc gamers. They played only FIFA O N L Y! for 10 years. KONAMI did't have to much time to advertise Pes on Pc. You should understand that most of gamers are casual. They love licenses. Seabass 6 years ago when PES was the strongest in the world said: If we want compete with EA we have to have more licenses" Ca you believe it? FIFA was big shit at that time and sold 6-7 milions coppy. Who bought it? Who? CASUALS! FIFA is only one football game in the globe who have the best league in the world. It's name Premiership! Why they put milions Euro to have it exclusive? Why? Because they know how profit they have to casuals gamers! I have no doubt if Pes have better animations + all leagues what FIFA has selling would be very similar. Do you know that Pes have similar or a little bit better selling in Spain and Italy? How do you know why? Maybe leauges? Yes Pes have La Liga and Italian leagues ( all licensed teams). Do you know that FIFA has much, much better selling in Germany and Englad? How do you know why? Yes FIFA has exclisive these two leagues. I give you another example in my country POLAND. Most of people play FIFA. Why?......Do you kno whow EA advertise FIFA on TV, markets, stadiums etc Before release the game all what I see is word F I F A! In all places! In this situation 80 % play FIFA it's mean FIFA is better game because selling is much better.Noooo! It's to easye to say it.

Sorry Lons, I think you've completely missed the point. Regarding UK sales you need to consider two constants here:

1. PES has never had the official English Premier League licence, ever. Nothing has changed.

2. FIFA has always been advertised strongly in the UK, even during the PS2 days. Nothing has changed.

With the above in mind, what could be the possible reasons for PES2012 being outsold 25-1 by FIFA12? UK gamers haven't all of a sudden become license whores over the last few years. Certainly not 25-1 in FIFA's favour anyway.

There's more to it than that. I think it was PES5 or PES6 that outsold FIFA at the time, of which both games can be considered the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay.

There's your answer.

Quite simply, PES2008 damaged the credibility of PES beyond repair in this country. The PES series was made to look incredibly archaic when FIFA 08 arrived on the scene, a game which, to this day, Konami has no answer for from a technical standpoint at least.

 

[Lons]

Sorry Lons, I think you've completely missed the point. Regarding UK sales you need to consider two constants here:

1. PES has never had the official English Premier League licence, ever. Nothing has changed.

2. FIFA has always been advertised strongly in the UK, even during the PS2 days. Nothing has changed.

With the above in mind, what could be the possible reasons for PES2012 being outsold 25-1 by FIFA12? UK gamers haven't all of a sudden become license whores over the last few years. Certainly not 25-1 in FIFA's favour anyway.

There's more to it than that. I think it was PES5 or PES6 that outsold FIFA at the time, of which both games can be considered the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay. For You everything is simple but it's not. Compare past gen with PS2 with current gen with Xbox 360 and PS3 is silly becasue production, marketing, advertise are totally different than in past gen. EA are the best company in public relations (marketing) They invest more money for marketing than to production a game. Do you believe it? Yes. This days are sick. In one hand 90% are stupid casuals i another stupid marketing.

There's your answer.

Quite simply, PES2008 damaged the credibility of PES beyond repair in this country. The PES series was made to look incredibly archaic when FIFA 08 arrived on the scene, a game which, to this day, Konami has no answer for from a technical standpoint at least.

Sorry James but you should read my post again. I didn't write Pes had English League licenses I wrote Pes did't have and EA are one company who have it. aa

 

[Jamezinho]

Sorry James but you should read my post again. I didn't write Pes had English League licenses I wrote Pes did't have and EA are one company who have it.

Which is my point mate! PES has outsold FIFA in the past without having the Premier League license, so it can't be used as an excuse for PES2012's lack of sales.

 

[Lons]

Which is my point mate! PES has outsold FIFA in the past without having the Premier League license, so it can't be used as an excuse for PES2012's lack of sales.

Ok but compare past gen with PS2 to current gen with Xbox 360 and PS3 is silly because today is different world. Marketing, public relations, markets, advertise are several level higher than past gen. Do you know what i mean? You can't compare selling without existing Xbox 360 and PS3. In past gen was only PS2 and multiplatforms gaming was poorly. When next gen came multiplatforms gaming is no 1 in productions games. FIFA invest more money for advertisments than production. Do you believe it?

 

[Jamezinho]

Ok but compare past gen with PS2 to current gen with Xbox 360 and PS3 is silly because today is different world. Marketing, public relations, markets, advertise are several level higher than past gen. Do you know what i mean? You can't compare selling without existing Xbox 360 and PS3.

I think you can compare the current gen to the last gen, but I think it's best if we respectfully disagree.

Fifa's advertising budget has always been vastly bigger than that available to the PES team, but I don't think advertising today compared to six or seven years ago is much different. Costs are probably similar and, if anything, it's easier to advertise these days due to the explosion in internet usage and new options available such as Facebook and Twitter. Also, PES has had a big advertising presence on pitch-side adboards at big stadia around Europe in recent years.

Konami could do better with their advertising but it's not as if PES is an unknown product.

Edit - PES2012 should have it's own dedicated website for instance, something I find very unprofessional of Konami.

 

[Lons]

I think you can compare the current gen to the last gen, but I think it's best if we respectfully disagree.

Fifa's advertising budget has always been vastly bigger than that available to the PES team, but I don't think advertising today compared to six or seven years ago is much different. Costs are probably similar and, if anything, it's easier to advertise these days due to the explosion in internet usage and new options available such as Facebook and Twitter. Also, PES has had a big advertising presence on pitch-side adboards at big stadia around Europe in recent years.

Konami could do better with their advertising but it's not as if PES is an unknown product.

Edit - PES2012 should have it's own dedicated website for instance, something I find very unprofessional of Konami.

In these days compete with FIFA without licenses, advertise like FIFA = lose. Of course gaming today is different than gaming 7 - 6 years ago. Inernet changed a lot....

 

[Chimps-with-quiffs]

Same here pretty much. Two of my friends who were massive PES5 fans have long since moved over to Fifa. PES just isn't a serious proposition for them any more and I totally understand why. I've stuck it out this long but I've lost all faith in (and a lot of respect for) Konami truth be told.

I've got so many great memories of the addictive ISS titles from my school and sixth form days, and PES when I was at uni and on into my mid twenties. Some of the best times of my life playing these games for hours with a group of friends. It's so sad to see the state the game is in now compared to then.

@ Chimps - I appreciate all the hard work you put into your option files so massive credit to you for that, but the very fact you have to do what you do is a big indictment of the game for me.

I would be doing it even if the game was good. The engine behind the game is fine, they just messed up their tweaking trying to please everyone after demo feedback

I would be surprised if someone at konami has looked at their player database like I have. My game play file doesn't make a bad game decent, I think it makes it the best PES I played and urge anyone that can to try it

 

[Northzzz]

Sorry Lons, I think you've completely missed the point. Regarding UK sales you need to consider two constants here:

1. PES has never had the official English Premier League licence, ever. Nothing has changed.

2. FIFA has always been advertised strongly in the UK, even during the PS2 days. Nothing has changed.

With the above in mind, what could be the possible reasons for PES2012 being outsold 25-1 by FIFA12? UK gamers haven't all of a sudden become license whores over the last few years. Certainly not 25-1 in FIFA's favour anyway.

There's more to it than that. I think it was PES5 or PES6 that outsold FIFA at the time, of which both games can be considered the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay.

There's your answer.

Quite simply, PES2008 damaged the credibility of PES beyond repair in this country. The PES series was made to look incredibly archaic when FIFA 08 arrived on the scene, a game which, to this day, Konami has no answer for from a technical standpoint at least.

You are right. If PES was getting perfect scores from gaming journalists then it'd sell by the bucket loads again. No two ways about it. I have no complaints about the scores which PES gets as for the most part accurate (i don't entirely ever agree with how the journalist goes about rating the game but the end result seems justiable). The only thing i find messed up in the current gaming circles is how FIFA gets perfect scores and incredibly high praise when it clearly isn't worthy of things like 'perfect footballing simulation'. That ends up brainwashing people to think that Fifa is almost absolute perfection and suggesting otherwise isn't an option. In other words normal people who don't care as much an any of us evo-web lot are vindicated in their decision to buy into the brand. Piece of mind yadayadayada. The again it was the EXACT same scenario with PES 6, a game i thought was so arcadey and generally worse compared to its predecessor. Even PES 2008 was that way for a while until it was so obvious how wrong gaming journalists got it. That was a special case though.

With PES and Fifa being the kinds of games that they are there we are always going to see a polarised opinion when concerning the two. The rivalry sells and it is enforced by journalists alike that you have to choose a faction and run with it. There has to be a winner because that's just the way it works. Personally i hate that. In fact i find rivalry in games absolutely backwards but i understand the reason for it is that people can have piece of mind when concerning potential money/time spent on a product. If i was a gaming journalist with the ability to make completely autonomous criticism then i'd judge both Fifa and PES on their own individual merits. Then again if i did that then i wouldn't be a very successful gaming journalist.

TL;DR - Critical reception is important.

 

[beachryan]

Have now spent 2 weeks with each game, and can say that I totally understand why critics rate FIFA higher. Both games have pretty decent sized on-the-pitch issues, but FIFA has far, far more going for it off the pitch. From the soundtrack to the presentation to UT and even the Arena mode – it’s a far more polished product. As games aren’t just ranked on their gameplay (even if it’s obviously the most important bit), it makes sense that FIFA is going to be rated higher.

But on the gameplay front – I just don’t enjoy PES 2012. There are moments of magic intermixed in a very, very frustrating experience. Like, mind-blowingly cheap, jokingly obvious CPU cheating in almost every match. It got to the point where, for me, I was getting less enjoyment from the game than it was giving me – and in the end it’s a video game, that should be what it’s there for.

When I think about other games I’ve played recently (the Uncharted series, Batman series, Witcher 2, Mass Effect, Fallout, GTA) the amount of pure fun I’ve had with them dwarves anything that PES can give me these days. And it’s kind of sad, because without a doubt PES used to be my rather geeky obsession. And the fun it gave back made it worth it.

At some point Konami stopped being able to make a challenging single player football game that is also fun to play. Imo they should have stopped trying to develop anything else until they got that right.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

I think the AI cheating and scripting in PES is a symptom of a terribly old engine that need putting out of commission. This year Konami really tried to up the anti with regards to AI, but with it comes the necessity for the game to make scripted things happen because the engine just isn't up to the required level these days. The AI can't beat you with a bit of contextual skill, it turns robot like, knocking instant ping pong passes and follows it up with spamming exploits at you. Last year it was the through pass/your defender letting the ball run past him exploit, this year it's the attacking forward speed bursting past multiple tackles AND the lofted through pass.

The AI does these things and gives itself a lucky boost over you to simulate the game being difficult, because it's not up to the task to do it in any other way.

This scripting in years gone by was part of the PES magic, it worked for and against you, now it seems heavily weighted in the AI's favour and is far too obvious to be believable. I think that's because Konami are now trying to stretch the game AI beyond what their tech will allow them to do. Either that or they no longer have a clue.

 

[pes4lyfe]

after playing fifa and pes for a bit I feel like this.

During PES games I literally am falling asleep? Why? You tell me? Then I have moments and am like yes wow!! then im alsmot falling asleep again as I play!! I play 2-3 games and Im like ok i cba to play anymore and put off.

During FIFA its like Im glued to the screen constatnly and getting mad and getting excited but constantly fixiated the whole 90mins. Then I keep playing. No, I should put off, ok just 1 more game, ok 1 more. Then before I put off my career mode, ok I try a head to head, ok just 1 more..then Ill put of now. Well Il play a couple of UT games 1stt...


NOt judging the gameplay just this is what happens when I fire up these 2 games.

 

[leandropuc86]

Gameplay wise both games have their flaws, but FIFA is more believable. I want Messi to trip and fall to the ground when I run him over with Ferdinand. That would happen in FIFA.

Now, in PES, you throw all sorts of wide tackles at him and he can run past your whole team, which is something inhuman. Slide tackles, body tackles, two-on-one, all sort of thugery. He'll slip past your defense like some demigod. That's not realistic.

Even IRL, he may be capable of doing it in certain games, but where's the stamina? Can he do it the WHOLE game? But to PES's credit, PES 2012 is the best from the series I've played in a while. PES 2011 is ok, but it feels robotic on -2. 2012 is more fluid, even though gameplay is seriously rigged at some matches.

To be fair I dont think anyone can put up a real simulation of football these days. It's impossible. PES 5 and PES 6 were good games, but in no way a full representation of football. Football can be represented only to some extent in videogames. There's only as many variables a game can adhere to.

Imagine coding an infinite number of possibilities. Well, that's what football is.

 

[bagrat]

im raging at pes because it's a fucking ps2 game on my 360 i'm sure i've read xbox 360 cannot play ps2 games so how come mine can

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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Now, in PES, you throw all sorts of wide tackles at him and he can run past your whole team, which is something inhuman. Slide tackles, body tackles, two-on-one, all sort of thugery. He'll slip past your defense like some demigod. That's not realistic.

You ever seen Messi play? lol