flofloflo said:
Caniggia said:
Jack Bauer said:Okay, this is the last time I'll try to make my point, I swear. Maybe.
I've played the PS2 version and I've read that the gameplay on the 360 is no different (which has been since confirmed by several sources). As someone in another thread pointed out, the people who were saying "they've reached their limits on the PS2, wait for the 360 version and it'll be amazing" have no excuses left now. "It's their first next-gen game" isn't a valid excuse, the game is a port and nothing more. They've not done any kind of work on it, apart from 3D crowds (wowee), and I'm absolutely disgusted. I'm even tempted (seriously) to start a website with the aim of making people boycott all forms of PES6, because all it is is WE10, but slower, and with even WORSE reaction times. And PES7 will be the same game with a few more random tweaks. It feels like he's just sat down and gone "right, okay, what should we do this time? Randomise the game speed, delete that league... That'll do. God I'm getting too old for this job. Night Mavis!"
I'm amazed by FIFA 07 on the 360. And I'm no fanboy either - I wouldn't have joined Evo-Web if I ever thought I'd like FIFA for more than five minutes, but I'm playing the 360 demo every day. The freedom of movement, the freedom of ball placement, the humanisation of the players... There's no magnets, no robots, no numbers games (i.e. he's not hit enough shots yet so I'm saving this shot, even though it was going in the bottom corner and if this was real life I couldn't physically get that). It takes me back to the days of Sensible World of Soccer, and I didn't think I could feel like that again, I thought I was "too old".
I couldn't go back to PES. I tried, with PES6, and it was just like having a remote control for a bunch of scalextric footballers. It's not the same any more. They're drawn to the ball like idiots, the shots can only go to one of three places, and the reactions in PES6 are WORSE. The game has gone BACKWARDS.
Saying that, if FIFA 07 falls to pieces when it comes out, if the online mode is terrible or anything like that, then I guess I'll have no choice. I'll be getting a pre-owned version though. I sat down a few weeks ago and figured it out, I've spent £1,000 in the last ten years on Pro Evolution games. ISSE2 on the PSone was amazing. The first PES on PS2 was pretty poor. The next one was alright. Then I started getting into the two Jap releases per year. Add them all up to WE10, and it's £1,000. What's been added? About 20 gameplay tweaks, a master league that is WORSE than the original three-tier one, licenses that I could care less about, and better graphics that I could care less about. More leagues? No. Lower leagues? No. The ability to change jobs in the master league? No. Less magnetic players? No. Dog heads? YES, oh thank you Konami, I never thought I'd see such an advancement in my lifetime!!
It sickens me to think how I've just gone out and spent that much money on the same game over and over. Earlier this year I sat down with all of the Pro Evo games I had, and they all played pretty much exactly the same. A more intelligent run here and a "Stanley Matthews feint" there isn't worth £1,000. It isn't worth £50. IT ISN'T EVEN WORTH £10.
If I could have my £1,000 back and go back to ISS
If you buy PES6 brand-new then you are guaranteeing for everybody in this forum that PES7 will be the same game with a random Premiership license and even more gameplay problems.
PES6 would be a good sequel to PES3 maybe, and PES3 may have been a good sequel to ISS
The game hasn't been a revolution, it hasn't been an evolution, it's been a tweak. And if you keep giving Konami your hard-earned money for a tweak then the game will never be a truly next-gen game. PES6 is a PSone game with a few neat touches. This is what Seabass does and he is going to continue to do, making millions upon millions three times a year.
fatlip180 said:
johnthekingsingh said:
Which of those is the more typical? An alternative viewpoint or a fanboy viewpoint? Or, more to the point, would you ever believe anyone who says a game will "always" be shit as if he can see into the future?johnthekingsingh said:
You couldn't "calculate" 1+1 without using a calculator and even then you'd need your care worker to type it in for you. It's obvious to everybody who reads your posts, so what in God's name would you know?johnthekingsingh said:
Oh, a wrestling fan. That about says everything, doesn't it? I'm surprised mum and dad let you on the computer so late at night. Aren't you afraid of the ghoulies and the paedophiles?johnthekingsingh said:WINNING ELEVEN 11 IS GOING TO KICK ARSE AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE COZ EVEN STONE COLD SAID SO
Jack Bauer said:
Jack Bauer said:
Because with current-gen they're limited. They have to make the game compatible with the majority of machines, i.e. processors that are years old. They can't program in the ball physics that they've programmed into the 360 version. The current-gen version is good, but it has to use old examples of programming code, meaning you'll see the ball attached to players' feet sometimes, and you'll see the ball take weird bounces or turns occasionally. My personal favourite of the current-coding generation (which is present in PES as well, on current-gen and 360) is where the player moves his foot to hit the ball, doesn't TOUCH the ball, and yet the ball flies off like it's sitting on a rocket! You won't see that in the 360 version of FIFA (or at least if you do it'll be at most once a month as opposed to several times a game).BumperMan said:
Don't think the above rant was aimed at you (or wrestling fans either, STG). You come along and say "I've played the demo, I don't like X thing or Y thing or Z thing, so I prefer PES". You therefore have an educated opinion. "FIFA IS SHIT AND ALWAYS WILL BE" is the exact opposite, an unintelligent, desperate attempt to make everybody go "what was I thinking even considering playing another game, Seabass is Jesus, if I ever touch FIFA my hands will turn into dust". The guy hasn't played FIFA for God knows how long.BumperMan said:
So it looks like I'll be playing the Nintendo DS's Winning Eleven on the go this year, which looks like a conversion of ISSE2 from the PSone - one of the best games in the series in my opinion, only behind WE6FE. Can't wait!)
nickgarratt said:
The net is better on the PS2 version toojflores said:
