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From the new Konami Blog-entry:
Not long to go now until we release a demo for everyone to test. You'll get a chance to see the new PES for yourselves and make up your minds about how we've reflected what the what fans want.

Cheers,
Jon
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I wonder how long "not long to go" means ;)
 
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lons_pl said:
- running animations are a bit like PES2009 but more fluid !
Fuck You KONAMI!:R1
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That's not good, I agree, but on the video made by Riot I did not see this.
That does not mean it isn't there, but I have the feeling that we should not rely too much on what (P)reviewers say. Are all of them capable?
Looking the Riot-video with my own eyes I would say there is a huge difference between the animations in PES 2009 and PES 2010.

In short: judge it yourself! :)
 
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ieyan said:
look like the running animation is more important to you rather having a good gameplay..:COAT:
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Animations are very,very important thing in this kind of game!Animations is a big part of gameplay!If KONAMI can't make decent running animations in next-gen era it means they stopped in PSX times.Shame KONAMI huge Shame!
 
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but it's not like konami can't change it..if pes 10 gameplay is good as it should be maybe konami will focus more on animation in pes 11..
 
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Most people dropped pes2009 and went back to pes6/5 because of poor animations....same thing might be happening if pes2010 animations are a piece of junk.
 
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well then just have to wait the demo to see if the animation is bad or not..
 
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The demo is gonna be the usual old code. Then we'll have to wait for final release, then first official patch...and so on...
 
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Lami said:
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Passing response time issues.. hoping that has to do with players used to ultra fast passing from PES 2009 which means they need to chill a bit and start thinking before passing the ball blindly.
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dont think that is true, bullshiting the guy who wrote this but the fact i have never heard of a code been sent out at 90% unless its gone to a game convention, game companies would not send people 90% codes, wtf would be the point in that,have you ever heard a game magazine say we have the 90% code and by the way that pes 2 running animation of that guy is brilliant, looks realy relistic, wtf happend to that i wonder:COOL:
 
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charlievolano said:
Most people dropped pes2009 and went back to pes6/5 because of poor animations.....
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Then I'm afraid those people are playing PES for the wrong reasons. Animations dont make the game, gameplay makes the game, well at least it does for me anyway. I dont, and never will understand how 'animations' provide you with a better simulation. Of course the eye candy factor is nice, but as long as the animation reflects the situation in a correct physical manner, is responsive, and falls inline with the instinctive nature of the game, then thats good enough for me.

Then again I dont play PES for state of the art animations, I play it because it simulates real football. Thats it. If I all that bothered me was beautiful animations I'd have moved to Fifa 08/09.

But, each to their own.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Then I'm afraid those people are playing PES for the wrong reasons. Animations dont make the game, gameplay makes the game, well at least it does for me anyway...
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Fifa 09 was better than pes2010, but i had more exciting human vs human matches on PES2009, we played around the frustating flaws but for some reason it was just more exciting than fifa.
 
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I think animation does help a lot. One example of how animation would actually 'make the game' would be shooting animations.

If they only had 1 shot animation, so say a shot done with the very front tip of the boot (a toe bunger), the goals and shots would feel very samey despite the ball doing different things. You'd kick the ball with the toe end of the boot and you get a chip, driven shot or slow shot and have curl with them depending on your power etc. But with the single shot animation being the same for every player, it would without a doubt impact on the gameplay.

Throw in some varied side foot animations and lean back shots like how Beckham takes free kicks and with the ball curling now you'd get a much greater feeling that 'you make that ball curl' than with the single toe shots. If you all remmeber that Henry goal where Messi kicked the ball with his toe and the ball flew for miles and everyone complained that kind of kick couldn't make the ball do that. Throw in a new animation where he gets his foot behind the ball and with the exact same gameplay the cross wouldn't feel unreal and arcadey.
 
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Radiation said:
I think animation does help a lot. One example of how animation would actually 'make the game' would be shooting animations.

If they only had 1 shot animation, so say a shot done with the very front tip of the boot (a toe bunger), the goals and shots would feel very samey despite the ball doing different things. You'd kick the ball with the toe end of the boot and you get a chip, driven shot or slow shot and have curl with them depending on your power etc. But with the single shot animation being the same for every player, it would without a doubt impact on the gameplay.

Throw in some varied side foot animations and lean back shots like how Beckham takes free kicks and with the ball curling now you'd get a much greater feeling that 'you make that ball curl' than with the single toe shots. If you all remmeber that Henry goal where Messi kicked the ball with his toe and the ball flew for miles and everyone complained that kind of kick couldn't make the ball do that. Throw in a new animation where he gets his foot behind the ball and with the exact same gameplay the cross wouldn't feel unreal and arcadey.
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Yes exactly. But your missing the whole point. For me, every animation in PES 2009 replicates its real life technique. There are hundreds of varying animations that appear when the situation arises. The lack of animations is not an issue for me.

I can remember only a couple of occasions in over 1000 hours of play on PES 2009 when I thought, thats animation is physically not right. It stood out like a sore thumb. Other than that, players angle their bodys to attack/address the ball in the same way I would on the football pitch.

I have no problem at all with the animations. They do, what the physics demand for the most part. And even if there is the odd 'silly' animation, the theory behind the physics is correct, just the implementation of the animation is slightly lacking. Typical example is that Messi pass you spoke of. The animation let it down, but the theory behind the pass was correct. A left footed player, with world class technique, using the outside of his boot to cross the ball with accuracy.

Only players like Messi can do that in PES and complete the pass. The physics theory therefore is correct, but the animation lets it down.

Is this a massive issue ? For me, not really, that fact the individual nature of Messi being able to pull off that cross off is more important to me than the animation.

All this running animation talk does make my laugh a little to be honest. I very rarely sprint in the PES, I prefer to stay controlled with the ball, keep possession and let the ball do the work. The running animations dont bother me at all.

If the game lacked animations for every scenario then it would be an issue. But they dont. They are just no where near as nice and polished as FIFA. But I can handle that, because response times are more important, and the simulated gameplay even more so.

Edit - Just to add I went back to PES 5/6 for the gameplay that PES 2008 couldnt give me. PES 2009 gave me everything PES 5/6 did and SO much more, regardless of the flaws.
 
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Imo the main problem with running animations is the speed of player legs in relation to the amount of distance he makes. I hope that fluid + slower pace means legs have been slowed down on that too.
 
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Have a funny feeling the #PES2010 demo will go live the day before #FIFA10 launches...

From Suffwan's Twitter

So it will be October 1st, which makes sense,great!
 
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From what i have seen from the videos the pace has been slowed down alot, the animations are improved and the seabss video showed a good game of footy.

I am satisfied with how it looks at the moment, I would like slightly different running animations but as Jimmy said, it is not the be all and end all.

The other game will be a better all round package and maybe play a better game of footy but that does not mean that PES will not.

For me it's win, win this year.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Yes exactly. But your missing the whole point. For me, every animation in PES 2009 replicates its real life technique. There are hundreds of varying animations that appear when the situation arises. The lack of animations is not an issue for me.

I can remember only a couple of occasions in over 1000 hours of play on PES 2009 when I thought, thats animation is physically not right. It stood out like a sore thumb. Other than that, players angle their bodys to attack the ball in the same way I would on the football field.

I have no problem at all with the animations. They do, what the physics demand for the most part. And even if there is the odd 'silly' animation, the theory behind the physics is correct, just the implementation of the animation is slightly lacking. Typical example is that Messi pass you spoke of. The animation let it down, but the theory behind the pass was correct. A left footed player, with world class technique, using the outside of his boot to cross the ball with accuracy.

Only players like Messi can do that in PES and complete the pass. The physics theory therefore is correct, but the animation lets it down.

Is this a massive issue ? For me, not really, that fact the individual nature of Messi being able to pull off that cross off is more important to me than the animation.

All this running animation talk does make my laugh a little to be honest. I very rarely sprint in the PES, I prefer to stay controlled with the ball, keep possession and let the ball do the work. The running animations dont bother me at all.

If the game lacked animations for every scenario then it would be an issue. But they dont. They are just no where near as nice and polished as FIFA. But I can handle that, because response times are more important, and the simulated gameplay even more so.

Edit - Just to add I went back to PES 5/6 for the gameplay that PES 2008 couldnt give me. PES 2009 gave me everything PES 5/6 did and SO much more, regardless of the flaws.
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I can see the point Jimmy is making.

PES-Gameplay is for example:

- The unpredictacle type of goals you can make. No goal is the same.
- PES is also the way the stats make your player behave. At least that was best visual in the better versions of PES.
- PES is also that the CPU changes it's tactics when he is down one goal with 10 minutes to play.
- PES gameplay can be much influenced by the extensive tactics the game provide.

All of this have nothing to do with animations but everything with gameplay.
Still there are some things where animations help gameplay. Think about the right timing when shooting, heading, dribbling or tackling. Without proper animations you will have problems when timing your shot/header or tackle.
I have no problems if running animations are a bit limited, as they do not contribute too much to the gameplay ( see above ).
Animations should be good when ( for instance) dribbling. Especially dribbling without the speed-button is improved and probably helped by the new 360 control.
Many previews also mention the better defending and the higher degree of difficulty when trying to dribble past your marker.

In short:
As you can see from the movie from Riot the functional animations ( which help gameplay ) are much better and those are the most important type of animations.
 
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Dr Force said:
From what i have seen from the videos the pace has been slowed down alot, the animations are improved and the seabss video showed a good game of footy.

I am satisfied with how it looks at the moment, I would like slightly different running animations but as Jimmy said, it is not the be all and end all.

The other game will be a better all round package and maybe play a better game of footy but that does not mean that PES will not.

For me it's win, win this year.
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Of course, if compared with last year is a sure win
 
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Ameppe said:
Of course, if compared with last year is a sure win
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No

in comparison to all the PES before it. Seriously, the graphics are stunning, even better than FIFA's IMO and then the gameplay looks at least on a par with PES5 (the greatest). bring those two factors together and you may just have the best PES yet.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Then I'm afraid those people are playing PES for the wrong reasons. Animations dont make the game, gameplay makes the game, well at least it does for me anyway. I dont, and never will understand how 'animations' provide you with a better simulation. Of course the eye candy factor is nice, but as long as the animation reflects the situation in a correct physical manner, is responsive, and falls inline with the instinctive nature of the game, then thats good enough for me.

Then again I dont play PES for state of the art animations, I play it because it simulates real football. Thats it. If I all that bothered me was beautiful animations I'd have moved to Fifa 08/09.

But, each to their own.
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Jimmy the diplomat :WORSHIP: - I would just call those people graphic wh0res.

Animation only comes into play shooting, turning, passing with respect to a players decision making ingame; even heading and GK animations are really eye candy but the main complaint is a running animation that is just there for filler.

Yes we would love it to look great but if that is why you stopped playing a game then why do you play the other game with its many graphical shortcomings ie faces, player models, kits, ball flight, grass. - you guys cant have it both ways.

Running animation is poor - check

Lets move on

Edit: Han beat me to it - animation with regards to gameplay (good explanations)
 
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I think if you enjoyed the old PES games like 5 and 6 for example then you'll enjoy 10. I really couldn't stand the last 2 as so much was wrong but I do think 10 brings the game back to playability for me and at minimum a different option when I've had enough of the other game.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Yes exactly. But your missing the whole point. For me, every animation in PES 2009 replicates its real life technique. There are hundreds of varying animations that appear when the situation arises. The lack of animations is not an issue for me.

I can remember only a couple of occasions in over 1000 hours of play on PES 2009 when I thought, thats animation is physically not right. It stood out like a sore thumb. Other than that, players angle their bodys to attack the ball in the same way I would on the football field.

I have no problem at all with the animations. They do, what the physics demand for the most part. And even if there is the odd 'silly' animation, the theory behind the physics is correct, just the implementation of the animation is slightly lacking. Typical example is that Messi pass you spoke of. The animation let it down, but the theory behind the pass was correct. A left footed player, with world class technique, using the outside of his boot to cross the ball with accuracy.

Only players like Messi can do that in PES and complete the pass. The physics theory therefore is correct, but the animation lets it down.

Is this a massive issue ? For me, not really, that fact the individual nature of Messi being able to pull off that cross off is more important to me than the animation.

All this running animation talk does make my laugh a little to be honest. I very rarely sprint in the PES, I prefer to stay controlled with the ball, keep possession and let the ball do the work. The running animations dont bother me at all.

If the game lacked animations for every scenario then it would be an issue. But they dont. They are just no where near as nice and polished as FIFA. But I can handle that, because response times are more important, and the simulated gameplay even more so.

Edit - Just to add I went back to PES 5/6 for the gameplay that PES 2008 couldnt give me. PES 2009 gave me everything PES 5/6 did and SO much more, regardless of the flaws.
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completely agree.
 
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Dr Force said:
No

in comparison to all the PES before it. Seriously, the graphics are stunning, even better than FIFA's IMO and then the gameplay looks at least on a par with PES5 (the greatest). bring those two factors together and you may just have the best PES yet.
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Are the graphics better than Fifa. Up close yes but from a distance are they better?
 
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lons_pl said:
- running animations are a bit like PES2009 but more fluid !
Fuck You KONAMI!:R1
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Common man, it's too much. Most of the pes fans think that as if Konami deliberately didn't fix the animations, but no body thinks the possibility taht they actually try but can't do it. There is obviously an overconfidence about the capabilities of Konami and its staff...

I am saying this to defend Konami, not to humiliate it, don't get me wrong.
 
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a good game play comes from a good animation. you got a shit animation, the game play gonna be at least shit, not shittier.
 
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wan_d7 said:
a good game play comes from a good animation. you got a shit animation, the game play gonna be at least shit, not shittier.
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LOL, you're a philosopher... Really, running animations are the only odd ones. Fifa have their quota of odd animations, especially on shots (mostly volleys) and crosses. Don't worry about PES fans, we'll be fine, thanks for caring ;)
 
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maybe you guys already talk about this but in that Barcelona vs France vid i can see that the throw in walls are not there anymore. did you guys notice it? now you can move your cunt player to be in front of the opponent, not like before this where you stuck behind the opponent.
 
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