PES2010 discussion thread

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7.5 Graphics
When it's standing still it looks remarkable, but when it starts moving its PS2 heritage is all too obvious.

Don't move! We'll stay looking at the screenshots! LOL!
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
I will have my own 'personal' review copy a week today. I cant fucking wait.

My excitement for this game will not diminish no matter what ANYONE says.

The fact I have been 'immersed' by a 5 minute demo since the day it was launched is my own personal yardstick. The fact I'm spending nearly all my spare time playing the demo over the full version of the brilliant Fight Night Round 4, is testament to PES 2010's ridiculously addictive offering.

This is going to be one long fucking week.


Edit - As for the Eurogamer review. :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:
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Uh of course not, then don't bother posting and "lmao" at other reviews because they don't suit your agenda. :LMAO:
 
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Brooklyn said:
7.5 Graphics
When it's standing still it looks remarkable, but when it starts moving its PS2 heritage is all too obvious.

Don't move! We'll stay looking at the screenshots! LOL!
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Yes, this is why it has such rigidity. High time for some real animations!
 
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IGN

Hopelessly dated and creaking in so many respects, playing PES 2010 can initially be a disheartening experience when coming off the back of EA's astounding FIFA 10. In comparison it's clunky, its feature set paltry and its presentation amateurish – as players who have been enthralled by PES since its trailblazing entries at the turn of the decade, seeing PES lose its grip on the football throne has become a melancholy experience for fans that gets sadder each year.

But after a dedicated weekend in its presence we're left as hoarse as fevered fans walking away from a thrilling derby, our vocal chords scratched by the screams and yelps that accompany an 89th minute goal-mouth scramble and our knees chafed from dropping dramatically to the floor after scooping a potential winner up into the rafters.

EA and FIFA might be the new champions elect, but that doesn't stop Konami from staging a party of its own with PES 2010, a game that's easily the best series entry on the current generation of hardware. While it can't boast of being the most realistic take on the beautiful game anymore, it's got a good claim to being the most fun.

Given PES's tradition of being the most authentic game on the pitch, it feels strange applauding its more outlandish nature - but with EA Canada dedicating its craft to creating the most life-like game possible it's what we find ourselves doing now. Games zip from end to end with restless glee, ambitious shots from 30 yards out stinging the cross bar and quick-fire crosses met with violently weighted headers.

This is football concentrated, the game's greatest moments boiled down into something that's instantly gratifying and almost without fail produces encounters that are thrilling and intense. Which, of course, is a formula that PES has always peddled - and it's only in the light of FIFA's depth of realism that it comes across as arcade-like.

But in certain regards this is the most polished iteration to date, with the graphical overhaul that everyone's been begging for finally here, in a fashion. In a certain light it's a more attractive game than its chief rival – more specifically in the hazy late afternoon light of a dusk match, with patches of sun glowing convincingly on the pitch and casting convincing shadows across the player's newly restructured faces. In stasis it's remarkable, the player likenesses uncanny and the natural lighting imbuing everything with an appealing glow. In motion it's a little less impressive and while a select suite of new animations join the fray it's a world away from the organic flow of FIFA's matches.

PES 2010's biggest addition – the 360 degree control of dribbling – doesn't make quite the same impact as it's had in this year's FIFA, though it certainly lends the game an added layer of fluidity. Indeed, most of PES 2010's on-pitch additions amount to little more than a nip here and a tuck there, with it all combining to make the most assured take on PES's formula since its PlayStation 2 heyday. There are some not-so-successful amendments too – Graham Poll seems to have been consulted on the new refereeing system, with eccentric decisions frequently causing outrage and the advantage rule not as prevalent as it has been before.

Another supposed amendment also falls flat – the keeper's bolstered intelligence fails to shine, and if anything they all seem to have been given an extra dose of stupid. Too often they stand rooted on the spot and stare dumbly at balls floating past them, and on one occasion a half-hearted shot simply floated through the keeper's body, rolling into the goal off of a defender who had taken a shine to the newly modelled netting and was transfixed with his back to the action. A comedy moment, but it's hard to laugh when the goal was the decisive effort in an otherwise excellent encounter.

But slapstick keeping is almost a PES tradition – and another PES tradition is its befuddling presentation, something that's been addressed with a much greater level of success. On a superficial level it offers only slight improvements – whereas we once had surreal rap rock with bespoke and 'inspirational' lyrics, we've now got slick and licensed tunes from the likes of DJ Shadow and The Klaxons.

It's the options that feed into the game that have been given the biggest overhaul, and by and large they work well. Gone are the abstract hexagonal representations of player's abilities, replaced by numbers that quite brilliantly reflect how a player is being used – stick a defender up front and their overall rating will change accordingly, a feature that means finding the perfect balance in the team is now a much less painful task.

Extending this philosophy is a Team Style feature that offers up a wealth of strategic options through a simple set of sliders – a mechanic that'll be familiar to anyone who's dabbled in FIFA the past couple of years but one that is none the less welcome. The accompanying Player Cards, unique to players and used to shape their attitude and performance on the pitch, is another simplification of existing options within PES games, and it makes shaping a team to your own desires a much less painful experience. They work well together to create a game that's accessible and do much to reduce the pre-game menu trawl that slows down encounters between more anal players.

Other aspects lack the same attention to detail. Lawrenson and Champion return for the most apathetic partnership in football since Boumsong and Bramble, though like Newcastle's terrible two they're not without their comedy moments – put in a good performance in the first half and Lawrenson will say you deserve a Wagon Wheel for your efforts, surely the highest praise possible. These small moments of comic relief aside, the commentary is often jarringly dated, especially in light of the naturalistic accompaniment provided by Andy Gray and Martin Tyler in FIFA 10.

Worryingly for anyone who has lost themselves to PES's single-player campaign in the past, the Master League has been given a significant overhaul, sucking us in good and proper for the first time in many a year as we resurrected our beloved Deptford Wednesday. Youth teams play a part, as does more involved scouting and management of finances, to create an experience that's more compelling than before and more than the measure of FIFA's offerings for the solitary player.

The official Champions League licence is woven in well with the Master League – and is available to play as a standalone run-through, complete with the obligatory rinsing of Handel's 'Zadock the Priest', the tournament's anthem. While this year's Master League is easily the most engaging edition of the mode, it's frequently in danger of drowning under a sea of impenetrable menus – but ultimately it stays afloat.

Which leaves only the networked multiplayer up for discussion, an aspect that's all too frequently been a stumbling block for Konami and the series. Unfortunately servers are yet to go live, leaving us none the wiser on to how it plays out online (and once they're up and running we'll give you a full report). The first signs are, however, promising – Konami has wisely replaced the ID codes that have previously made the task of getting its games online so tiresome, and custom leagues for friends show that the team is getting with the times.
Closing Comments
Improved graphics, streamlined tactical options and a relatively robust take on the series' winning formula ensure that this is the best PES yet, though it's not quite enough to topple FIFA from its well-earned perch. On the pitch it’s the same joyous game that’s won so many plaudits in the past, its fast-paced approach encouraging the sort of outlandish play that means nearly every match is a classic, and while this is some way off being the all-round package offered by EA, it’s probably the most fun way to play football with a controller available.
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Well yesterday they all loved eurogamer...because it had a promising article about pes. Now they all hate it...what a funny coincidence.

And nobody mentions IGN pathetic scoring of pes 2008....9.2. Once you give a pathetic review for commercial reason (having ur ad in game) then you'll have to stick to it for a few years to make it look like they really enjoy the game and there was no conflict of interest.

Ergo IGN reviews of pes are just a pile of ..it.

But if u merge the two....namely eurogamer saying things on the pitch aren't very different and IGN saying the visual aren't that good...well then you have a very very disappointing game.

I still think it could be fun, it is a good pick up and play with friends.
 
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IGN and Eurogamer both shouldn't be trusted.

I'll probably wait for peoples opinions before deciding to buy it although right now after watching many videos I'm swaying towards keeping hold of my money
 
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charlievolano said:
And nobody mentions IGN pathetic scoring of pes 2008....9.2.
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That is the reason, this is the first review I've read on IGN since that score for PES 2008. I hated that game with a passion. And the only PES/ISS/WE game I can honestly say I disliked.

They still talk a loads of bollocks in my opinion. But I'll just leave it at that.
 
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Punzz said:
IGN and Eurogamer both shouldn't be trusted.

I'll probably wait for peoples opinions before deciding to buy it although right now after watching many videos I'm swaying towards keeping hold of my money
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You mean you will wait for peoples favourable opinions?

If you want it just buy it.
 
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EvolutionSwede said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/pes-2010-pro-evolution-soccer-review

"Next to PES 2009, it's still a big improvement all told, but next to FIFA, as it inevitably must be, it's still a poor second choice, losing out in terms of manoeuvrability, player movement and acceleration, simplicity and versatility in control, and - crucially - believability."

7/10
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It's KONAMI fault to send a final version of PES 2010 to www.Eurogamer.com. Eurogamers’s review of PES 2010 by Tom Bramwell surely was biased because he has being a FIFA fanboy. :TTTH:

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It's not the only welcome sign in a game that looked like it might be on its last legs this time last year. The UEFA Champions League is back, but the presentation is much more impressive (slicker than the main game's, actually), and it and the Europa League are now integrated in the Master League, which remains the superior option to FIFA's rival Manager Mode (unless they fix it --> http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa10-launch-feedback/, anyway). There's also a new "Community" area, where you can keep track of local games between you and your friends, rather than just bouncing off Exhibition mode all the time, although the latter is tempting anyway since it's quicker to start a match, with a much simpler interface.

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Why he has to link an information to electronicarts.co.uk ? :RANT:
 
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hope konami will focus more on animation,physic,collision and bring back all the options that they taken out for pes 2011..
 
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poloplo said:
It's KONAMI fault to send a final version of PES 2010 to www.Eurogamer.com. Eurogamers’s review of PES 2010 by Tom Bramwell surely was biased because he has being a FIFA fanboy. :TTTH:

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It's not the only welcome sign in a game that looked like it might be on its last legs this time last year. The UEFA Champions League is back, but the presentation is much more impressive (slicker than the main game's, actually), and it and the Europa League are now integrated in the Master League, which remains the superior option to FIFA's rival Manager Mode (unless they fix it --> http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa10-launch-feedback/, anyway). There's also a new "Community" area, where you can keep track of local games between you and your friends, rather than just bouncing off Exhibition mode all the time, although the latter is tempting anyway since it's quicker to start a match, with a much simpler interface.

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Why he has to link an information to electronicarts.co.uk ? :RANT:
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Tom Bramwell had long being accused of being a pesfanboy. He gave pes3 10, pes4/5 9 and managed to give some fifa a 2. All well deserved score (i would have given myself pes5 another 10 i think).

So you don't know what you are talking about. The one thing he is not is being a fifafanboy.
 
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how it all explodes now.. :)

allways grade your game yourself. cause the normal reviewer will never go 4 things a soccer fanatic (and i mean it in a good thou obsessed way ;) ) wants 2 know. its a review 4 the casual console masses.

btw: im still enjoying the we demo after reading several reviews. so plz dont hate me... ;)

ps: getting my copy 21st.
 
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Bar the addition of a few new animations, a slight slowing down of pace, some new officially licensed teams, and team tactics and player ability features that are destined to be cast aside unused by the vast majority of players, PES 2010 is PES 2009.


No, don't insult me. insult Wesley Yin-Poole from videogamer.....
 
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"Champion will scream that the referee's about to blow his whistle as if England are about to win the World Cup. Shame he does it just before half time."

That made me LOL for real.

"Oh, and while we're on the subject of authenticity, why are all players not at their real life clubs? With the transfer window ending the first day of September, is there any good reason why Richard Dunne is still at Manchester City, or Arjen Robben is still at Real Madrid?"

Jeez, they aren't even updated in the final game!
 
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EvolutionSwede said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/pes-2010-pro-evolution-soccer-review

"Next to PES 2009, it's still a big improvement all told, but next to FIFA, as it inevitably must be, it's still a poor second choice, losing out in terms of manoeuvrability, player movement and acceleration, simplicity and versatility in control, and - crucially - believability."

7/10
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That's the most important thing to me
Fifa as single player is near unplayable, i think if they reviewed fifa 10 after discovering all those bugs they would have scored it 9/10, not the ridicolous 10/10
 
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charlievolano said:
Bar the addition of a few new animations, a slight slowing down of pace, some new officially licensed teams, and team tactics and player ability features that are destined to be cast aside unused by the vast majority of players, PES 2010 is PES 2009.


No, don't insult me. insult Wesley Yin-Poole from videogamer.....
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I know, I know I'm answering the poster and not the post and not debating but can you tell me why you are revelling so much in bad reviews?

My guess would be that you're only here to antagonise people and they help your cause, feel free to give an alternative perspective.
 
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this thread will be closed in no time if you don't tune the wenb trashing down.

cleaned up a few totally not pes-related posts.
 
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Culinary said:
You seem obsessed with him and very bitter.

Did he shag your wife?
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what could the problem be?

he meets the people and talks to the pes people at konami

i suspect some fans dont want him being one of the feedback leaders from the whole "listen to the fans via pes sites" routine because they suspect deep down he is a narrow minded fanboy who hypes things up and then backtracks, telling konami certain things are amazing etc when it could halt progression for the series if people havent got the bottle to say whats shit about it.

my personal opinion is that he is a nice guy but doesnt do himself any favours at times.
 
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OPM said:
this thread will be closed in no time if you don't tune the wenb trashing down.

cleaned up a few totally not pes-related posts.
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Sorry can i just ask why?

I think its pretty relevant, we are talking Pes after all and that website is pretty much massively involved.
 
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Culinary said:
I know, I know I'm answering the poster and not the post and not debating but can you tell me why you are revelling so much in bad reviews?

My guess would be that you're only here to antagonise people and they help your cause, feel free to give an alternative perspective.
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We are not talking about bad reviews...but good reviews than score the game poorly.

Point being you all keep trashing people and not people's arguments.

Reviews are saying what i said for a long time, they game is stuck on the pitch because it is on the rails and scripted, animations are embarassing, keepers deflections poor, most goals being scored by easy wing plays due to poor defense, headers way too effective etc.

Since now it is not just me but most reviewers saying these things your main argument (mine being costant negative) is dead.
Maybe you can all start talking about the issues and not the person who brings in the issue.

P.S.
Few years ago i went as far as naming my cat "Shingo..". I hope the next one is not gonna be named Peter Moore....i was planning for Shingo2...
 
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i think the sticky we have in here says more than enough, this is not a matter of discussion.

if you discuss their reviews in a serious way without bashing them ,okay. but what i deleted so far is just useless spam targeted at adam because he rates the game in a different way than you might.
 
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