PES2010 discussion thread

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Just played WE2010 and if they make the responce times on that and put them into PES2010 i'll be a very happy boy.
 
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Haven't played the we demo yet, since it's a newer build I think we may see response times improve in PES2010, but then I hardly find them a problem in the demo.

The thing with PES is that it's a representation of the emotional feel of real football, especially since the demo even is so well balanced. I still get peeved off about the odd dribble coming off even though it should clearly be knocked away somewhere by the defende,r but overall this has improved so much that every game is a real battle of wits.

Add the overall improvements to physics, ball weight, the midfield battles, the jostling, the long range shots, the better crosses and the feel of old PES, I can hardly wait for this game to come out.

FIFA 10 was amazing for the first few games, but to many FIFA09ish flaws annoy the crap out of me, already.

The PES demo is such a sigh of releif after a few games of EA's latest effort.
 
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Disqo said:
Yep, Gamestation will be laughing by the end of this
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It works both ways really. £9.99 for Pes is a good deal if you are fed up of Fifa. Gamestation are selling Pes 2010 for £35 so you are getting £25 for Fifa as a trade in. Plenty of people paid £25 for Fifa new.
 
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How can you guys say this looks good? Fifa was crap this year and pro evo will follow suit

1/ the player running animations are horrible, its like running on ice
2/ why does it make a metallic sound when the ball hits the bar? been like that forever
3/ the nets.. why cant they put proper nets in instead of some weird looking ones
4/ the ball looks like it has no real physics. looks like a marble rolling along glass

very poor effort from both, I just pray a 3rd game company tries to make a better game in near distant future. I tried to play FIFA10 and the ball is still floaty, I think the guys at EA have a floaty ball fetish
 
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Jamezinho said:
It works both ways really. £9.99 for Pes is a good deal if you are fed up of Fifa. Gamestation are selling Pes 2010 for £35 so you are getting £25 for Fifa as a trade in. Plenty of people paid £25 for Fifa new.
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PES 2010 For £9.99 With a FIFA 10 Trade-In also at GAME.
 
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marktruman said:
How can you guys say this looks good? Fifa was crap this year and pro evo will follow suit

1/ the player running animations are horrible, its like running on ice
2/ why does it make a metallic sound when the ball hits the bar? been like that forever
3/ the nets.. why cant they put proper nets in instead of some weird looking ones
4/ the ball looks like it has no real physics. looks like a marble rolling along glass

very poor effort from both, I just pray a 3rd game company tries to make a better game in near distant future. I tried to play FIFA10 and the ball is still floaty, I think the guys at EA have a floaty ball fetish
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1. Player running amimations look nice and I promise you they will be of the same quality as the graphics next year. They will outdo Fifas easily.

2. Cuz the damn thing is made of metal and if you could shoot a football as hard against it in real life you would know.

3. There are no proper nets cuz everybody likes them differently. I love the nets in PES!

4. mmm, maybe you watch some footy games on tv and focus on the ball.

Sorry, but really redicilous of you to think a new party could make a better game. After a detour of bad PES 2008 and 2009 games Konami is back on the track. Their achievements in the graphics and tactics department shows to me that they are capable of realising amazing things EA are not!

Of course nobody can forbid you to dislike the game. If its not what you like then you have to live with it, get used to it or just don't play it.
 
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Hi guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I finally decided it's time to put an end to FIFA online. That thing is disgusting. For the last 2 years, I think FIFA online has gotten on my nerves more than anything else in the world. The constant swearing and throwing controllers around the house has to end once and for all.

I've been a Pro Evo fan since ISS on PSX but switched over to FIFA starting with 08, due to its online play (no lag etc). But this year...it's time to make the right choice, which is PES :D.

I admit I had very high expectations for FIFA 10, but oh man...it DID NOT deliver!

- FFS, how is it possible for the player with the ball, to run faster than the player without the ball, even though they have similar stats?
- how come you get pushed over by the defender, every single time, even though your player is stronger!
- I also had enough of the stupid people which are playing FIFA online. Always quitting when losing, horrible gameplay when are leading (ping-pong etc.)
- and the most annoying thing: how come you are no longer able to pass the ball around for more than 3 times when you are losing? It's like your players become retarded if they have conceded a goal! WTF?

Anyway, I hope someone understands my frustration and for what I've seen many people complain about it...I really really hope PES delivers this year and by the looks of it, IT WILL! Can't wait to be able to score from outside the box in a football game, without keeper blunders (ehmmm FIFA...) :D

Thank you!
 
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Either go on line with friends or better stay off line in any game.

A good ML played with a friend can be the best fun you have in pes.
 
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theCRO said:
FIFA 10 was amazing for the first few games, but to many FIFA09ish flaws annoy the crap out of me, already.

The PES demo is such a sigh of releif after a few games of EA's latest effort.
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Who's to say you wont find flaws annoying the crap out of you after you've played the few amazing games of PES when it's released?
 
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Hey everyone, Matt here. Old School PES Playa!

I hope we see reviews tomorrow and that they are good ones.
 
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i really like the demo of pes2010(pc).
it keeps the waiting time very short!
im at work and not allowed to play =)
 
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So tomorrow eurogamer and ign will be giving their pes reviews.

Well not very relyable reviews, eurogamer never score pes lower than fifa so expect a 9 (even when pes was uttershit they still gave it the same score as fifa).

IGN as we know was involved in pes 2008 advertising...they manage to give that piece of junk something like 9.

Well i guess some others less biased reviews might give us a good hint about the final code.

Still due to fifa flaws i guess pes might be the last hope or i am gonna stick to we9lek for another year.
 
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charlievolano said:
So tomorrow eurogamer and ign will be giving their pes reviews.

Well not very relyable reviews, eurogamer never score pes lower than fifa so expect a 9 (even when pes was uttershit they still gave it the same score as fifa).

IGN as we know was involved in pes 2008 advertising...they manage to give that piece of junk something like 9.

Well i guess some others less biased reviews might give us a good hint about the final code.

Still due to fifa flaws i guess pes might be the last hope or i am gonna stick to we9lek for another year.
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Yeah - I dunno why anyone reads these reviews - utter rubbish every year + you can always tell they have barely tested the game.
 
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I just dont see what everyone else is seeing. Its like i've crossed over into another world. Its just not a patch on the old ps2 versions.
 
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The reasoning? "In previous titles," says Seabass, "there were so many segments that you had to undergo when you were changing the playing style of the team. You'd have to adjust this one... this one... then down this one!" He motions. "It was really complex when you wanted to play [in a specific way]. That's the reason why we introduced the card and slider systems, because it simplifies highly complex settings into one or two things."
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I find that's odd and funny, I think the new system is actually deeper and more complex than previous titles, and I would like to see and even more complex system like those in FM/CM games, for instance players cards that can be turned on/off should be reworked into some sort of sliders and specific commands than just simply on/off

because I feel some card abilities should be available for all players than just specific players, example :

free roaming card.

gerrard can do that, but how come gourcuff cannot do the same? both are playmakers, in reality both can be instructed to do the same.

on the other hand, some cards are better be replaced with statistics, for example :

pin point pass

pirlo can do that, but fabregas cannot (CMIIW).

how come? do anyone following european football seriously believe fabregas cannot do that? true, the accuracy will not be the same however it's not that one cannot attempting to do so.
 
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charlievolano said:
A good ML played with a friend can be the best fun you have in pes.
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You know what Charlie, for once I'm going to 100% agree with you.

Edit - Eurogamer Preview.

PES 2010 is a big deal for Konami, and so it should be. Having been dethroned as the king of football games by FIFA 09 a year ago, there's an awful lot at stake. PES Productions entered a period of soul-searching as it began to understand where it had gone wrong - and how to put it right again.

If anything positive came out of last year's disappointing effort, it's that it inspired a new determination within the PES production camp to listen to people a bit more, and take on board feedback more than ever. With that in mind, Shingo 'Seabass' Takatsuka and European team leader Jon Murphy approach a recent face-off with the press at an event in France in a rather unusual way.

Rather than sit and field the same old questions, Seabass and Murphy direct the questions back at the press in a series of roundtable sessions as part of a new process of "listening and learning and improving". Rather than telling us the same old story about how it has improved AI, tactics, and team realism, the team uses its PES European Finals gala event in Nice as an opportunity to garner opinions from a wide cross-section of the very same people about to go and write reviews for the upcoming version. Although, well, Editor Tom's doing ours. [Sorry about that. - Ed]

Self-defence!
"This year and, of course for the following year, we're going to continue this listening, learning and improving process as an important step for PES Productions and the PES series," Seabass tells us. "Of course, we have so many ideas in advance of making the game. However, it is also important to get feedback from the users and the press to make the game better."

Seabass and Murphy are keen to press the assembled for what we think of the new Team Style and Player Card system. As you'll remember from our hands-on, Team Style allows players to tweak various elements via a slider system, allowing you to press harder or hold your ground in possession, or fiddle with the defensive line, while, in the words of Seabass, a Player Card "is like a combination of pure additional skills and the ability to drill down into the individual rather than the whole team and make minor changes to how the individual plays within the squad."

The reasoning? "In previous titles," says Seabass, "there were so many segments that you had to undergo when you were changing the playing style of the team. You'd have to adjust this one... this one... then down this one!" He motions. "It was really complex when you wanted to play [in a specific way]. That's the reason why we introduced the card and slider systems, because it simplifies highly complex settings into one or two things."

You can't help admire the principle of the thing, but the feedback probably makes for uneasy listening, with the majority of the assembled hacks unsure of what tangible difference tweaking with Team Style or Player Cards makes - a problem that most players will almost certainly face.

To the average player, we reason for our hosts, the problem is that game offers no real feedback, and you don't have anything to compare it to unless you're a hardcore player and can instantly spot a difference. Most players, it's felt, will be intimidated into settling for the default settings and never even delve into the interesting new features on offer - however beneficial they may be. Indeed, Seabass admits, "It may be true that the casual gamers will not use the slider and card system." But, he insists, "even at the default setting, it is a way to enjoy PES 2010".


It is really up to the user, if he wants to change the settings, to customise their playing style and tactics, that's all up to the user and we do not blame the user. If he doesn't even touch a single setting, he will still enjoy PES 2010."

To a degree he's right. For my money, PES 2010 is the most fluid, instinctive and enjoyable PES probably since PES5. During the media competition the previous night, I come to the game cold, never having had a warm-up match, and manage to win four out of six matches just playing through muscle memory of what's always worked in football games - football. But the fact remains that there's always the sense that you could be doing so much better if the game could only find a way of educating you about it.

The solution? Many are discussed, but one of the more interesting suggestions is a kind of 'interactive training' or 'tutorial exhibition' mode, which would essentially be played like a real match, only one with 'playing assists'. It would stop after key situations, and talk you through what would have happened if you had used different Team Style settings. It could also remember key moments of the match (including set-pieces) so you could rewind, play and practice them again, perfecting moves, tweaking tactics, giving you the chance to benefit from real match situations - something the current training mode is sorely lacking in. Other possibilities touched upon include providing control hints that encourage users to try using more complex manoeuvres, such as feints and shot variations, and taking the time to school them in doing so.

Kuyt and Torres. Heroes both. [Yes, I did these captions. - Ed]
Many players feel that the 'tricks of the trade' in football games are jealously guarded secrets which the elite would rather insert needles into their own eyes than impart on their opponents, making it harder than it needs to be to get better at it. If the game actually has the option to tutor players in a more visible, more user-friendly and more practical manner, it's likely more people would be better at the game, and in turn would notice - and try out - some of the excellent-sounding changes the team work so hard to implement.

Interestingly, Seabass and company appear highly receptive to such suggestions, and come away from the various sessions expressing delight that so much constructive feedback had been gleaned in a short space of time. It's also notable how visible Seabass is at the event in general, taking time to studiously watch players in action for hours on end, impassive from the sidelines, no doubt keeping his fingers crossed that the reaction will be more favourable than last year.

So what of PES 2010 as a game? Technically, it looks extremely slick, with better facial likenesses, real-time lighting, smoother gameplay, swift load times, improved animation, a better front-end, and more licensed teams. Whether that makes it the equal of the mighty FIFA 10, we'll cover in our review tomorrow. One problem that PES 2010 faces is the exact same one FIFA faced for many years - how to convert people who are used to one game's way of doing things. The old issue was that rival football games became so refined that preference became an increasingly subjective decision. The danger last year was that it was an objective one: FIFA was superior.

Will that change this time? Bearing in mind the pace of innovation and reinvention in sports games, it may be too much to achieve in one step. But Konami's attitude bodes well for the future.

PES 2010: Pro Evolution Soccer is due out on 23rd October and reviewed on Eurogamer tomorrow morning.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
You know what Chralie, for once I'm going to 100% agree with you.
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shit happens...

I just hope we'll get full editing so my padova can look for some glory in pes too....

Btw playing a coop masterleague with a friend on line is a must, these days most of my pes friends are spread out in different continents...it would be fun to meet on line to play a master league together.

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BTW, FIFA serie B stats are pure crap, just some random average 60-70...
 
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charlievolano said:
shit happens...

I just hope we'll get full editing so my padova can look for some glory in pes too....

Btw playing a coop masterleague with a friend on line is a must, these days most of my pes friends are spread out in different continents...it would be fun to meet on line to play a master league together.

P.S.
BTW, FIFA serie B stats are pure crap, just some random average 60-70...
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Yes , that will be awesome = 4 vs CPU in ML , online
 
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I wonder if 2 vs 2 online is also for ranked matches...

Ik asked that before, but nobody answered that :CONFUSE:
 
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Online ML is the dream, although I'm not sure how it would work. I suppose the host would have to be the player who does all the negotiations etc etc with the other player watching? Both players would have to have the same save file, or at least have it loaded from the host's console.
 
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