PES2010 discussion thread

[Dusse]

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this is the reason why many people (including me ) still prefer pes over fifa.
e.g. if a cross comes to long and you have to rush for it and you try to shoot on the long corner of the goal. now when you play with 100% manual in fifa, the shot goes to this corner exactly where you want it though it is physically impossible. in pes the ball goes faar beneath the SHORT corner, doesn't matter how much shot accuracy the player has (you can see the players foot aiming for the desired direction)
this is one of the main points why pes !always was closer to the real thing, even in 2009...

That is not true. FIFA takes into account things as balance, stats and a lot of other things to determain whatever he will actually get the ball to where he wants it. You will very, very rarely see a shot that is not physically possible (it does happens on occasions of course, as it does in PES)

 

[Lons]

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PSM3 review is a big fanboys joke.They wrote that PES won in animations,online,licenses?What they think we are a idiots? Ok i can agree that PES is better than FIFA in idividuality,taktics,model of players,graphics but never in animations.

 

[Cloud1863]

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I can't wait until this game is out, It will stop all the petty arguing. We wil have an answer one way or another because all this thread seems to be is an arguing point on how Fifa is better than PES or vice versa. It isn't very handy if you want to see new screens or news as you have to trail through the fanboy posts to find out up to date facts.

 

[Nick Cave]

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I can't wait until this game is out, It will stop all the petty arguing. We wil have an answer one way or another because all this thread seems to be is an arguing point on how Fifa is better than PES or vice versa. It isn't very handy if you want to see new screens or news as you have to trail through the fanboy posts to find out up to date facts.

Yeah right...

 

[The_Knight]

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I can't wait until this game is out, It will stop all the petty arguing. We wil have an answer one way or another because all this thread seems to be is an arguing point on how Fifa is better than PES or vice versa. It isn't very handy if you want to see new screens or news as you have to trail through the fanboy posts to find out up to date facts.

We're beyond the "new screens" part of the year, now that we all saw how it looks through hundreds of screenshots and videos (Read: gorgeous). Now it's time for presumptions and premature judging of both incomplete games.

 

[tc811]

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I have ideas here

why not combine both?

so we have a manual control like FIFA does, but at the same time apply attributes for major deciding factor that made the action finalized.

example :

1. passing directions : we will have total 360 degree passing but there SHALL BE something like a percentage on where a pass would go depending on the footballer attributes; so this will be interpreted as the better the footballer attributes the more precise the pass would be.


So when u made a long pass with a sunday league footballer there will be a tendency the pass would have several degrees miss -which ended the ball landed a few meters wide.

2. same thing with kicking power : the lesser the footballer technique the bigger the chance of kicking with 80% power bar ended up harder or softer...also determined by preferred foot, kicking angle, etc

but even with all of these, there shall be chances that even sunday league footballers can make perfect passes....

so I think we need to integrate a complex ratio system here

so at the same time we get the best of both worlds.

don't u think so?

Someone suggested passing power and accuracy could be improved with passing gauges and a central green region. The pass gauge would charge up, and releasing the pass while the bar is still in this green region results in a "good" pass. I think the logic is that better passers of the ball (e.g. Pirlo) will have a larger green region in the pass bar, and defenders will obviously have less room to make a good pass.

I suppose that basic idea could incorporate some PES-style assists, like if a pass is aimed outside this green region- some scripting could come into effect that will send a pass too hard or too slow or to the wrong person provided the player makes the initial error in the pass gauge. It seems like people would like the best of both worlds with manual passing while still maintaining player individuality, but a middle ground needs to be reached. I've been thinking about gauges ever since someone brought it up in this thread, what does everybody else think?

 

[napo_rz]

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Someone suggested passing power and accuracy could be improved with passing gauges and a central green region. The pass gauge would charge up, and releasing the pass while the bar is still in this green region results in a "good" pass. I think the logic is that better passers of the ball (e.g. Pirlo) will have a larger green region in the pass bar, and defenders will obviously have less room to make a good pass.

I suppose that basic idea could incorporate some PES-style assists, like if a pass is aimed outside this green region- some scripting could come into effect that will send a pass too hard or too slow or to the wrong person provided the player makes the initial error in the pass gauge. It seems like people would like the best of both worlds with manual passing while still maintaining player individuality, but a middle ground needs to be reached. I've been thinking about gauges ever since someone brought it up in this thread, what does everybody else think?

now that you mentioned it, yeah I remember seeing that pages before; however that would be too obvious, we need (or rather I want here) a background -cannot be seen- ratio factor system than a blatant indicator like that.

so there will be 2 factors there, a visible one and an invisible one which can be named as 'luck factor'.

but also I believe this system need to be somewhat limited as maximum 30-40% as the deciding factor for how successful passes made, since as someone pointed out before : we're talking about top level professional footballers here, not some amateur or very junior level of play -I believe even a 12 years old who has been trained in a football school and aimed to be a pro in top level of world football CAN PASS WELL-

in the end, I think we need a complex ratio system to govern these ratios and parameters, and that reminds me about we need developer like Sport Interactive to make a 3rd choice after FIFA and PES, since they have done very well with these kind of statistics/ratios system in CM/FM style.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

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Jimmy, can't believe you chose Boro, then. Glory* boy.

* Glory being very much a relative term.

To be fair Mart, I was born in Marton in Middlesbrough, lived in Boro till I was 10. I have lived in Darlington now for the last 9 years though, so I'm a 'Townie' through and through.


As for the rest of the thread, nice posts everybody.

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

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@ Jimmy,

I was agreeing with you, the "He's right though" was about you.

 

[Dar]

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It isn't very handy if you want to see new screens or news as you have to trail through the fanboy posts to find out up to date facts.

Thats what this is for:

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=54096

 

[Cloud1863]

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Yeah right...

Fair enough wishful thinking, this will happen the day communism works.

We're beyond the "new screens" part of the year, now that we all saw how it looks through hundreds of screenshots and videos (Read: gorgeous). Now it's time for presumptions and premature judging of both incomplete games.

I'm more using a generalisation to stop the petty squabble as that is all it is. This thread should be renamed to the "my dad is bigger than your dad thread and somewhere along the road PES is coming out".

Thats what this is for:

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=54096

See above, I only just noticed that thread as I have been following this one for months.

 

[gameklip]

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OPM has a little Preview of PES2010. Not sure if you've seen it yet but i have the mag.


(the other bit is on FIFA10's Freekicks).

 

[kouroux]

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Brilliant explnation Chris regarding what is "scripted" gameplay.Like Trance_Allstar once explained, I hope to see one day a game where you'd have manual controls but where the stats also play a role in terms of power/precision of passing and shooting.
I think a middle ground can be found

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

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This thread should be renamed to the "my dad is bigger than your dad thread and somewhere along the road PES is coming out".

FIFA10 is coming out aswell you know?!



See what I did there.

Tnx for the scans gameklip!

 

[gomito#10]

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well guys when it comes to individuality PES has it. I was playing 2 v 2 pes 2009 with my mates last night. I had some defender namend madlung on wolfsberg, he kept getting ownend by cacau on stuggart, his passing was shit, his clearing was shit, he kept giving the ball away. At halftime i look and his arrow is grey and shitty!!! THATS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT PES!!!! I subbed him out and our defense became much better. Fifa has nothing like this.....

 

[theCRO]

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for all its flaws, PES2009 was great in 2 vs 2.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

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well guys when it comes to individuality PES has it. I was playing 2 v 2 pes 2009 with my mates last night. I had some defender namend madlung on wolfsberg, he kept getting ownend by cacau on stuggart, his passing was shit, his clearing was shit, he kept giving the ball away. At halftime i look and his arrow is grey and shitty!!! THATS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT PES!!!! I subbed him out and our defense became much better. Fifa has nothing like this.....

Lol !!

Never play anyone on a grey Gomito, he shouldnt even be on the team bus, never mind the bench.

Also, do you think when they change the servers for PES 2010, there is a chance we can play you guys across the pond ?

Edit - I have the same problem with Capdevila for Valencia and Spain, for some reason he just cannot pass for shit.

 

[zeemeister]

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I've said it once and I'll say it again. If PES loses it's ability do depict player individualism it's game over for me.

I remember how it was to buy Aissati for your ML team. He starts off looking promising, with good passing and reaction so he can make a few assists and nuisance of himself.
But play him regularly for 3 seasons and he becomes a football god. He pulls the strings in midfield, pretty much controlling your attack and has a nice accurate shot and free kick.
Btw I'm referring to PES2008.

 

[gomito#10]

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Lol !!

Never play anyone on a grey Gomito, he shouldnt even be on the team bus, never mind the bench.

Also, do you think when the change the servers for PES 2010, there is a chance we can play you guys across the pond ?

Edit - I have the same problem with Capdevila for Valencia and Spain, for some reason he just cannot pass for shit.

i doubt it, konami seem stupid in this respect, we could on the PC

 

[Andy]

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Also, do you think when the change the servers for PES 2010, there is a chance we can play you guys across the pond ?

I also think it would good if we had the tech to be able to play across platforms. Ah well one day.

I am sure last year somebody did find out that the 2oo9 servers were located in japan 2xoff one for gaming and one for advertising. I am speaking pc wise i suppose it may be different for microsoft and sony. I am a bit out of my depth with this but say sony and microsoft had to connect to the japan servers before relaying it, then that maybe the reason for problems who knows? Like i say i dont really know how it all works. Also i dont know how valid the story about the servers is,But i did see it posted on here last year/new year. I have just looked back on what i just said and it sounds crazy i know, but why are konami using sony servers this year (allegedly).
Anyway my point being if konami do use sonys servers i would imagine we would have a european server ffs.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

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i doubt it, konami seem stupid in this respect, we could on the PC

I have just bought a new laptop, but for £600 I doubt it is good enough for gaming ? I have never played on a PC before, never played anything.

I also think it would good if we had the tech to be able to play across platforms. Ah well one day.

I am sure last year somebody did find out that the 2oo9 servers were located in japan 2xoff one for gaming and one for advertising. I am speaking pc wise i suppose it may be different for microsoft and sony. I am a bit out of my depth with this but say sony and microsoft had to connect to the japan servers before relaying it, then that maybe the reason for problems who knows? Like i say i dont really know how it all works. Also i dont know how valid the story about the servers is,But i did see it posted on here last year/new year. I have just looked back on what i just said and it sounds crazy i know, but why are konami using sony servers this year (allegedly).
Anyway my point being if konami do use sonys servers i would imagine we would have a european server ffs

I know less than nothing about anything tech wise, server wise, or Morecambe and fucking Wise to be honest Buzzy

I just dont understand why its not possible to play guys from across the pond on PES when you can on every other Xbox game I have ??

Like I say, this isnt really my strong point.

 

[Dr Force]

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I know less than nothing about anything tech wise, server wise, or Morecambe and fucking Wise to be honest Buzzy

ha ha fooking class Jimmy

 

[gomito#10]

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I have just bought a new laptop, but for £600 I doubt it is good enough for gaming ? I have never played on a PC before, never played anything.




I know less than nothing about anything tech wise, server wise, or Morecambe and fucking Wise to be honest Buzzy

I just dont understand why its not possible to play guys from across the pond on PES when you can on every other Xbox game I have ??

Like I say, this isnt really my strong point.

if you spent that much in american $$$ around $1200, then fuck yeah it should be able to run that

 

[Andy]

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Nice one jimmy nearly fell off me chair.

 

[jjoseca]

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Try PES2010 in PesLeague Final, Sunday 6 of September:

http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3-qui-sera-le-champion-2009-de-pes--16492.html

 

[evo-playa]

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PSM3 review is a big fanboys joke.They wrote that PES won in animations,online,licenses?What they think we are a idiots? Ok i can agree that PES is better than FIFA in idividuality,taktics,model of players,graphics but never in animations.

Why never in animation? why can't PES animation matches Fifa's? I think the review was a bit bias but it does accentuate on some of pes 10 strengths, as a pes fan it worked for me.

 

[Andy]

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Found this, i have never really bothered with manual keepers before. after reading this i just might start....

The Manual Keeper - Why we welcome its return


From Ali Al Habsi to Gianluigi Buffon, goalkeepers are those we have no choice but to place our trust in as the last line of defence during our team’s relegation or promotion battles, cup runs and all important derby wins. Unfortunately, no matter the keeper, they’re all prone to the occasional hair-tearingly frustrating moments of buffoonery that can end up costing the match. As a video game, PES too can be a sufferer of this problem.

Konami, however, introduced the manual keeper in an attempt to combat this some time ago. But why is it a useful tool to have? We asked PESFan referee Keenandinho, one of the strongest advocates of the manual keeper you'll ever find, why it’s such an important feature to have.


“Many of you will be reading this thinking, "What is Manual Keeper and why should I care?" and, frankly, you would be quite within your rights to do so, as it was something that Konami never really shouted from the rooftops about.

It was a feature in all previous PES games (but mysteriously removed from PES2009) and could be activated at any point in the match. As the name suggests, it allowed you to take control of your keeper and position him manually when you thought you could do a better job. It's something that's been well used within the higher skilled ranks for a few years now due to the huge defensive advantage it can give.

I have been for lack of a better word, campaigning, to have this reinstated all year (as shown here) and I can't tell you how delighted I am to hear of its inclusion in the final version of 2010.

Two examples of why this was so badly missed on PES2009

• The 'near post bug shot'

If players got to certain angles they could put the ball in the near post, and the keeper would just dive and let the shot go in without even attempting to save it.

• 1v1 – the 90 degree shot fake.

When 1v1 vs. the keeper and up close, you could 90 degree shot fake and the keeper would just dive every time, leaving you with an empty net.

Using the Manual Keeper, your keeper won't dive at the first sign of a shot fake and you can cover the near post angles like a normal keeper would, saving you countless goals all because of your own skill and ability to read the play - not because the AI would decide to 'just let it in' or save it due to being on superman pills.

Manual Keeper is something that goes back to the very roots of PES: It has to be mastered. You can’t learn it in one day; hell, you’ll be lucky to be good at it within a month. It is something of a culture shock the first few times you use it, and anyone new to it will understand exactly what I mean when the game comes out. In all likelihood you'll completely screw it up for the first weeks, but you will eventually learn to take control of the keeper; how to position him, how to out-think the striker, when to rush, how to narrow the angle, and so on. Once you've mastered these you can really show off by using it to cut out 'back post crosses' and 2 v 1 cutbacks to leave your opponent completely flabbergasted (my personal favourite).

Having this skill forces your opponent to think a hell of a lot more. They can't just go for sweet spots if you know how to position your keeper early enough. They not only have to think about how to get past your defence, but after they get past your defence they can’t just jog past your keeper, shot fake him, go near post or just shoot across the goal without thinking about where the keeper is positioned. Even human players become robotic over time and end up doing the same old things to score - Manual Keeper is 100% guaranteed to save you from more of these goals.”

 

[ReeceLUFC]

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Anyone on her going to that pes league thing, if you are make sure to have a good cam on you and take as many gameplay videos as you can, we need this cause we only have one video to watch of the new code and to be fair after watching it, it does get a bit boaring dont it?

 

[hardy94]

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YouTube - FIFA 10 PC Gameplay

it's fifa 10 pc game play
seems like fifa stoled the idea of varied goal nets !

 

[mmeny]

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Hardy 94 from that videos. Fifa still can't get the likeness right, that doesn't look no where like ronaldo.

Oh well, the game looked fluid though.