PES2010 discussion thread

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Nah I'm sorry I don't agree with that.

You can't say anything positive about the dribbling in PES when it's incredibly easy to take on every single member of the opposing team just by turning 90 degrees constantly.

Plus if you actually bother running instead of the constant mazy run, then it just looks horrific because of the animations.

I'll admit FIFA does need to sort the trickstick out with regards to timing, but it's much like real life, tricks can be hard to pull off, and even when you master them, they're still hard to pull off effectively in order to keep the ball.
 
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Some tricks in fifa works perfetly, like the elastico ( the one ronaldinho does), or flick flack like its called in the game i guess. But for an example the fake shot/cross in PES results in a much better way.

Pes could implement some of them but not all, because most of them due the animations will be unable regarding the animation system of PES.

Most of the fifas tricks if pulled in the exact time result ( but you have to count with the response time of the game ). I dont use it at all, unless the one i refer, and in PES i only use the fake shot ( well apart of that rouletes the player do by itself when im turning with it ), and step over.
 
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I was comparing FIFA09 with PES5/6, PES 2008/2009 don't exist for me :D and comparing these ones, it's hard to produce a show in FIFA, and even if you do it's less rewarding.

simple question : you have 1on1 with last defender, how do you go past player in FIFA and how in PES?

because I know that in PES I can simply cut to one side and try a shot and if (human player) won't guess it then it'll be open chance for me

in FIFA it's so much harder because you can be disposed of the ball whatever you do, :circle: is so overpowered that whatever your angle (forward/side/even back) to the defender is you will lose the ball, hardcore pressing is enough to kill your action ; in FIFA you need trick or go around his pressing mashing to get past 1 defender

I've never been skinned in FIFA (I'd love to be), PES is a different story, where you can destroy and humiliate a defender if you got the guts.
 
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mr_man said:
YouTube - FIFA 09 "Just A Day" Online Goals Compilation #4 HD!
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LOL that video proves that if you master the trick system, they will be pretty effective if you pull it in the exact time.

But i as a formes PES player, sometimes roll the trick stick :D, and i finish doing tricks i dont want, and that are not the most indicated for the situation. Just mastered the flick flack as i said in an earlier post.

By the way anyone knows if this PES 2010 will come in the same languages for xbox360 as for PS3??
 
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mr_man said:
YouTube - FIFA 09 "Just A Day" Online Goals Compilation #4 HD!
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Brilliant video and exactly what I am talking about. The tricks are doable, they are possible, not anyone could do it, and not any player could do it, and they need practice. All the more realistic.

The 3:00 modified rainbow was timed perfectly, only to be followed by an even better volley... brillant indeed.

And 0:22, what was that 5 complicated tricks performed? Sorry, but it's clearly doable...
 
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mr_man said:
YouTube - FIFA 09 "Just A Day" Online Goals Compilation #4 HD!
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some nice stuff in here, and yeah it's proving my point - you HAVE TO pull off a trick/shielding/anything with right stick to get past someone

The_Knight said:
And 0:22, what was that 5 complicated tricks performed? Sorry, but it's clearly doable...
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nah pretty easy, just careful timing, if I'm not pressed I can perform the same, liek I said :circle: in defence is a bitch to get past ; he did some nice things though like well timed 360 on the wing, then squeezed a chop and went for the goal, then nice rainbow - that's pretty good but that's just one trick =) I thought about whole sequence of tricks, what he did is doable, show me 6 stepovers (facing left to right not on the wing facing goal because that's doable) mixed with something else and going past someone in the end, this is ultrahard

and oh ye it's a compilation you know, best bits, I'd like to see compilation of his failed attempts :D
 
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Jimmy's got a new best bud - :BOP:

Somehow I have a feeling this may be true for PES lovers but we will have to wait and see - FIFA has possibly fewer things to fix but if PES has truly freed up the play that maybe all it will take - the graphical stuff will be the cherry on top
 
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Leo said:
Are you kidding me? You've got basic facts wrong there. It's in FIFA you have to replicate the foot movement on the great part of the feints with the right analogue stick, that's what makes it so good. For example, the flip-flap is done in that fasion, as well as step-overs, body-feints, etc. In PES it's very dull and only a few button presses away.
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I will take your word for it, I havent played it enough to give an accurate judgement. I could pull off tricks very easily though and different ones, but if there is more complicated ones like you say then so be it, you know better than me.

Nah I dont want the whole trick system. I dont know if you watched the FcBarcelona vs Shaktar Uefa supercup final where Pique did 2 headers to control then onto his knee and hoofed a crossfield kick not overly fancy but testament to his technique.

Then there's those instances that the ball sits up well and the opponent rushes to take ball off but a deft little flick over his head and in the opposite direction from which the opponent came is fairly simple but very effective.
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Thats what I love, the animations your not expecting, subtle, effective and instinctive touches that you see rarely but are yet still varied.
 
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master_smurf said:
Jimmy's got a new best bud - :BOP:

Somehow I have a feeling this may be true for PES lovers but we will have to wait and see - FIFA has possibly fewer things to fix but if PES has truly freed up the play that maybe all it will take - the graphical stuff will be the cherry on top
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Well, so long as they are still depending on mo-capturing every possible movement (which is impossible) the animations will always look limited and rigid, with awkward transitions, unlike EA's engine where the game can generate any animation realistically to link between existant animations, making everything from shooting, tricks, dribbling and goal keeping look much more flexible and realistic...

Just like KONAMI overhauled PES 2010's graphics, they will need to overhaul the animations for PES 2011. Coupled with a physics engine, I wouldn't ask for more..
 
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ReeceLUFC said:
any scans yet anyone from psm3
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I'm assuming your asking for the scans that will be out on Sept. 2. Oh and on the pesgaming forum some guy posted links to this:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5144/scan0002oqf.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5967/scan0003ckq.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6996/scan0001uzr.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/158/scan0004twl.jpg

A dreary review/preview on PES, and pretty Fifa fanboyesque.
 
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mr_man said:
I'm assuming your asking for the scans that will be out on Sept. 2. Oh and on the pesgaming forum some guy posted links to this:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5144/scan0002oqf.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5967/scan0003ckq.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6996/scan0001uzr.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/158/scan0004twl.jpg

A dreary review/preview on PES, and pretty Fifa fanboyesque.
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These are play mag scans.
 
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master_smurf said:
The push the ball into space doesnt need to be a "trick" though - it should be a basic movement option.
I understand people love tricks but really alot of that is fantasy football and not the norm
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Forgive me guys if i have got this wrong,and i dont want to insult anybodys inteligence but you can knock the ball on when sprinting by applying extra (pulse)pressure to R1. timing is the key and also pace.
 
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mr_man said:
YouTube - FIFA 09 "Just A Day" Online Goals Compilation #4 HD!
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sprint, bullcrap trick, unrealistic crap defense, same goal over and over again, typical man U fifa09 play.

Where's the fun? The build up? The intuitive play using real football knowledge?

I came to really dislike FIFA09 after hundreds of games on PS3, because it wasn't fun, because of videos like the one above. Even 2 vs. CPU PES2009 was loads better, despite it being one of the worst PES titles.
 
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theCRO said:
sprint, bullcrap trick, unrealistic crap defense, same goal over and over again, typical man U fifa09 play.

Where's the fun? The build up? The intuitive play using real football knowledge?

I came to really dislike FIFA09 after hundreds of games on PS3, because it wasn't fun, because of videos like the one above. Even 2 vs. CPU PES2009 was loads better, despite it being one of the worst PES titles.
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im somewhat comming to the same conclusion
 
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gomito#10 said:
im somewhat comming to the same conclusion
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I hate FIFA 09 now as well, every time I play it I just want to throw it in the bin.

It was impressive to begin with, but it really has got repetitive... I won't go into all the details as to why I hate it as this is the PES thread (theCRO points out some things well though).

On the subject of the trick stick, I like the idea, but the way defending works in FIFA (hold sprint + close down = win the ball every time) means that the tricks don't work 90% of the time.
In PES with it being easier to dribble past defenders (too easy in PES6, 08 and 09 though), I think the tricks would work well.
 
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Not sure why we have a FIFA trick-stick discussion here but I'll add my two cents.

I think the trick-stick is brilliant, The only issue with them is response times. in FIFA 08 they weren't possible at all I felt. In 09 they worked fine offline but once you went online it became a completely different game. If Chris says the response times are as good as he says then that'll be fixed and make them superb and add that individualism people crave.
 
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I do like to perform all those tricks... On the Arena/Training mode.. When truth comes, great majority of them don't have any use during match, leading only to lose the ball or ending in an odd position which doesn't give many choses of pass. On online and multi player does work a bit better, because it's an element of surprise, but not that much lol. I'm talking about PES (and if PES had a "trick stick"), I simply can't stand Fifa atm.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Not sure why we have a FIFA trick-stick discussion here but I'll add my two cents.

I think the trick-stick is brilliant, The only issue with them is response times. in FIFA 08 they weren't possible at all I felt. In 09 they worked fine offline but once you went online it became a completely different game. If Chris says the response times are as good as he says then that'll be fixed and make them superb and add that individualism people crave.
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To be honest, the tricks are one of the least important parts of individualism to me.

The quality of a player's positioning/runs (post I made earlier about how PES did it well), first touch, ball control, agility, (assisted) passing are shooting are what make players feel different to each other.
Tricks are nice to have no doubt, but PES5 didn't have bunches of advanced tricks for skilled players to pull off yet the dribbling is the best in any football game in terms of the difficulty of it AND the individualism IMO.
 
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_anderson said:
I do like to perform all those tricks... On the Arena/Training mode.. When truth comes, great majority of them don't have any use during match, leading only to lose the ball or ending in an odd position which doesn't give many choses of pass. On online and multi player does work a bit better, because it's an element of surprise, but not that much lol. I'm talking about PES (and if PES had a "trick stick"), I simply can't stand Fifa atm.
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I agree if the AI is back to usual strength, we will have our work cut out to score.let alone tricks lol
 
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Rob92 said:
To be honest, the tricks are one of the least important parts of individualism to me.

The quality of a player's positioning/runs (post I made earlier about how PES did it well), first touch, ball control, agility, (assisted) passing are shooting are what make players feel different to each other.
Tricks are nice to have no doubt, but PES5 didn't have bunches of advanced tricks for skilled players to pull off yet the dribbling is the best in any football game in terms of the difficulty of it AND the individualism IMO.
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PES5 dribbling wasn't unique at all? If anything it wasn't anywhere near individual or life like to the counterpart.What happened was the response times of skilled players increased. I think people look at these things with red tinted glasses to be fair.

Shooting and Passing where things which did have an effect on PES but that was down to assisted controls. Passing with Arsenal or Barcelona IMO on FIFA 09 feels completely different to passing with Stoke City IMO.
 
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buzzyhead said:
I agree if the AI is back to usual strength, we will have our work cut out to score.let alone tricks lol
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I'm obviously comparing it to previous PES (PES5/WE9LE to be exact), as I played very few of both PES08/09. I do play PES 09 on the PSP on regular basis, but it's too damn easy with big teams.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
PES5 dribbling wasn't unique at all? If anything it wasn't anywhere near individual or life like to the counterpart.What happened was the response times of skilled players increased. I think people look at these things with red tinted glasses to be fair.

Shooting and Passing where things which did have an effect on PES but that was down to assisted controls. Passing with Arsenal or Barcelona IMO on FIFA 09 feels completely different to passing with Stoke City IMO.
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I think it was individual - when you had the ball with someone like Bramble or any other rubbish centre-back, you felt like you couldn't afford to carry the ball any real distance because his ball control was so poor, meaning you could lose the ball. On the other hand, when you had the ball with Ronaldinho (or any other skilful player) then you could dribble up to a defender knowing you could knock it either side of him at the last moment or something.
I don't even bother looking at who has the ball on FIFA most of the time because everyone's first touch/ball control is the same and everyone can do the body feints/stepovers exactly the same (the only tricks which are quick enough to be of any use IMO).

Regarding the passing on FIFA 09, whenever I manage to get a game online with Championship or lower teams, people are still passing the ball around like Brazil 1970, pinpoint accuracy every single time. The only difference seems to be that when you pass around with better teams is that you sometimes get the curved through balls and the players are faster/quicker so they can get on the end of passes more often and don't fall over as much, I don't think it's the actual passes that are different.

(I did say before that I wasn't going to post PES v FIFA stuff in here, but I think i'm discussing stuff properly and not being a twat like I have been at times :P)

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I'm obviously comparing it to previous PES (PES5/WE9LE to be exact), as I played very few of both PES08/09. I do play PES 09 on the PSP on regular basis, but it's too damn easy with big teams.
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I play PES09 on PSP as well :) It's pretty good, very similar to PES6.
 
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Completely disagree with most of it accept for some parts such as the first touch. in FIFA dribbling with a skilled player is completely different than trying it with Robbie Savage. What happens is they become more sluggish in PES and thats the same as FIFA.
 
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_anderson said:
I'm obviously comparing it to previous PES (PES5/WE9LE to be exact), as I played very few of both PES08/09. I do play PES 09 on the PSP on regular basis, but it's too damn easy with big teams.
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Yeah i dont wanna sound too picky, but i hope the AI does vary against weak/strong teams. But if i have to choose then difficult for all teams i suppose. I must say for the record, that idea someone had for the online points system against weak strong sides was brilliant if only konami could monitor this thread (err...on second thoughts forget it :P )
 
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Rob92 said:
(I did say before that I wasn't going to post PES v FIFA stuff in here, but I think i'm discussing stuff properly and not being a twat like I have been at times :P)

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No rob your posts are welcome as far as i am concerned.You bring a good debate to the table. I personally aint got nothing against fifa players, after all we are all footie fans its just the ones who sometimes come on and just shout the game down for no real good reason and are continually finding fault.peeps like you /chris davies/nick cave ect usually have valid points to consider.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Completely disagree with most of it accept for some parts such as the first touch. in FIFA dribbling with a skilled player is completely different than trying it with Robbie Savage. What happens is they become more sluggish in PES and thats the same as FIFA.
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Why do you disagree with it?

You can try them out and look for yourself...

Passing - You can play a long low pass with ANY player and it will go straight onto the boot of the recipient, not an inch either way. Through balls are always perfectly weighted into the path of the recipient etc. no matter who strikes it. In PES5 this wouldn't happen.
I was also talking from experience about the online games with lower teams, so I don't see how you can say it isn't the case when I have seen teams like Wycombe play perfect one-touch football against me... Again, on the rare occasion someone on PES5 online picked a lesser team, none of this ridiculous football was seen.

Dribbling - attempt trying to dribble past a player with a fairly slow player like Del Piero without using loads of fancy tricks, just well timed changes in direction... It won't work, the defender will just react instantly and take the ball from you almost every time. Of course you can blitz past defenders with anyone who is strong and quick like Ronaldo, but the technically gifted players who aren't strong/quick are useless. On PES5 Del Piero/Zidane were pretty much main men on the team.
Nobody online against me/my club has managed to dribble past defenders with changes of direction either, so it isn't that i'm crap.

If you still think the same way then fair enough, but whenever I play FIFA those things seem pretty obvious...
 
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