PES2010 discussion thread

Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread

Dammit are we back to square one on Evo-web, with people AGAIN saying that 360-degree movement is either useless or not there, EVEN THOUGH ALL REVIEWERS (latest: pesgaming) SAID IT TRANSFORMED THE WAY YOU PLAY THE GAME????

Damn, this is getting annoying. Please for all that is good:
1) Stop quoting the 55% build magazine.
2) Stop looking for evidence in the Gamsecom videos. We have the new 8-minute video now:

YouTube - PES 2010 Gameplay - Press preview code

Finally, the 55% build isn't a theory, it's a fact. The game WAS at 55%, and it WAS mighty inferior to what we and reviewers saw and wrote about later.
 
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charlievolano said:
P.S.
So Han, wanna write a letter and offend the mag journalists, like you alwasy do when someone express his opinions about how poor pes has become???
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What are you talking about? I never did that :CONFUSE:

I know you are the type who likes to see things about PES the negative way, but I didn't know you accused people of doing funny things :BYE:
 
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At the end of the day, it's a fact that no video shows 360 movement on the ball. The 8 minute video included. I'm just waiting to see it. I'll take PESGaming's word that it is - but I'm waiting to see it for myself to see how they've implemented it.

Stop linking the 8 minute video - it doesn't show 360 movement on the ball (good video other wise though) It really, really doesn't. Frankly, movement wise, that video looks identical to the gamescom in regards to dribbling angle.

It's not like this is some subjective vague issue - it either is, or it isn't. The simple fact is that at no point in that video is the player on the ball running at an angle which isn't a bearing of multiple 022.5
 
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Rodelero said:
At the end of the day, it's a fact that no video shows 360 movement on the ball. The 8 minute video included. I'm just waiting to see it. I'll take PESGaming's word that it is - but I'm waiting to see it for myself to see how they've implemented it.
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It's not a fact, just because you don't see it doesn't mean others don't lol.
 
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Rodelero said:
Stop linking the 8 minute video - it doesn't show 360 movement on the ball. It really, really doesn't.
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Umm... do you, KNOW what 360-degree movement is? Because something's telling me you're looking for the wrong thing... maybe you're looking for smooth animations and transitions like FIFA10.

360 degree movement is seen all over the clip. Please note that when sprinting it's much less evident.
 
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_anderson said:
It's not a fact, just because you don't see it doesn't mean others don't lol.
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Right. Show it to me. Show me at what moment there is '360' degree control, ie, the player not moving at one of these angles:

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Tell me what times this happens between. Maybe I'm just being totally blind, but I can't see it at all. I've watched that video meticulously. I dunno. Sometimes it looks like 360, when they are running very slowly, but when they are sprinting it looks very much like 16 to me.

I find it hard to believe that SO often a player could be running in one of the primary 4 angles (up, down, left, right) if it was 360.

There is some caveat to this.
 
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Still don't see what's news in that video:

1) Players transtion are horrible, players move at 90 degree like robot.
2) Players are still statically waiting for passes
3) There is no sort of physicality, the forward runs through two defenders like they were made of smoke
4) there is no sign of 360 degree
5) deflections are scripted and so goly saves
6) Running animations are still Benny Hill's like

Games feel static and scripted. Pes5 and pes6 seems still way ahed of pes2010 in terms of gameplay (no wonder why the mod community is still superactive...because most people still prefer pes6).

P.S.
THE VIDEO AT 1.44 SEEMS MORE LIKE 16 DIRECTIONS TO ME.
 
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Rodelero said:
Right. Show it to me. Show me at what moment there is '360' degree control, ie, the player not moving at one of these angles:

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Tell me what times this happens between. Maybe I'm just being totally blind, but I can't see it at all. I've watched that video meticulously. I dunno. Sometimes it looks like 360, when they are running very slowly, but when they are sprinting it looks very much like 16 to me.
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look at the video I provided before and my hint. but yeah it's not as evident and as consistent as can be seen on FIFA videos.
 
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The_Knight said:
Umm... do you, KNOW what 360-degree movement is? Because something's telling me you're looking for the wrong thing... maybe you're looking for smooth animations and transitions like FIFA10.

360 degree movement is seen all over the clip. Please note that when sprinting it's much less evident.
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360 degree movement, is fundamentally, the ability to move in all 360 degrees, be it 1 degree, or 7 degrees. I am not looking for a smooth transition. I am not looking for a turn. I am looking for a player which isn't running at:

000
022.5
045
067.5
090

(and so on).

and, if it's not so apparent when sprinting (It DEFINITELY looks like 16 when sprinting), why? It's easier to see fine angles over longer distances. Looking at Napo's link.

Napo: I'm fairly sure that's... East North East.

Certainly that is more than in any PES before it (or FIFA, actually. You can only do that angle temporarily on FIFA 09). It's a massive improvement and to be honest, if both games had said: 16 degrees! I'd have been plenty happy. I'm just trying to see when this is truly 360.. because I'm really not sure if any VIDEO has shown it to be yet. I'd love to see it and I take PESGaming's word that it is.. but so far I'm fairly sure I haven't seen it.

Logically, if it was 360 degrees, a player SHOULDN'T be able to run consistently at one angle. He should be slightly moving left, slightly right.
 
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Rodelero said:
360 degree movement, is fundamentally, the ability to move in all 360 degrees, be it 1 degree, or 7 degrees. I am not looking for a smooth transition. I am not looking for a turn. I am looking for a player which isn't running at:

000
022.5
045
067.5
090

(and so on).

and, if it's not so apparent when sprinting (It DEFINITELY looks like 16 when sprinting), why? It's easier to see fine angles over longer distances. Looking at Napo's link.
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I think I didn't understand, you were expecting to see players running 360 (running equals sprinting)?
 
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Rodelero said:
Right. Show it to me. Show me at what moment there is '360' degree control, ie, the player not moving at one of these angles:

Tell me what times this happens between. Maybe I'm just being totally blind, but I can't see it at all. I've watched that video meticulously. I dunno. Sometimes it looks like 360, when they are running very slowly, but when they are sprinting it looks very much like 16 to me.

I find it hard to believe that SO often a player could be running in one of the primary 4 angles (up, down, left, right) if it was 360.

There is some caveat to this.
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Dude for the last time, do you think PES would move from robotic animations in 09 to all of a sudden perfect syncing animations of players adjusting to every angle? Besides, I think players in Fifa don't sprint in 360 cause it would be quite impossible in real life, and this looks even more apperant in PES.
 
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Well in 2009 one would indeed expect that they moved away from robotic animations...we are not in the ps1 era anymore...
 
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mr_man said:
I think players in Fifa don't sprint in 360 cause it would be quite impossible in real life, and this looks even more apperant in PES.
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Amen.

P.S. I think we should run a weekly list of the most annoying anti-PES posters on this thread. Maybe a Top 10. If we cant get rid of them, lets at least give them an accolade of which they can be proud. Let the voting begin. :LOL:
 
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_anderson said:
I think I didn't understand, you were expecting to see players running 360 (running equals sprinting)?
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360 degree movement (assuming this includes when on the ball) should mean, not that a player slowly turns in a circle, because that would be nonsensical with the ball... but that, when he turns, he can turn to any angle (well, any angle of 1 degree or a multiple of 1 degree).

mr_man said:
Dude for the last time, do you think PES would move from robotic animations in 09 to all of a sudden perfect syncing animations of players adjusting to every angle? Besides, I think players in Fifa don't sprint in 360 cause it would be quite impossible in real life, and this looks even more apperant in PES.
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Of course it isn't impossible in real life. Every time you touch the ball you will be at some ludicrous angle. If I'm running down the pitch, I might be at...

03.1232123893859348 degrees relative to the byline. Whether FIFA is at literally 360 is hard to tell. What you can see however is when a player is sprinting down the wing, he takes touches which move the ball slightly one way, slightly the t'other way through human error (realistic human error) on the analog stick, because it's hard (/almost impossible) to keep it dead straight.

On the other hand, you can consistently see on PES the player holding an angle.

It's possible that they are using 360 with some sort of limit, eg: the turn is only made if it is greater than 5 degrees... which could possibly explain this. I'm not convinced whether this is the case though. I'd love to see Konami explain how they have implemented it, ala Gary Paterson.
 
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Rodelero said:
Napo: I'm fairly sure that's... East North East.

Certainly that is more than in any PES before it (or FIFA, actually. You can only do that angle temporarily on FIFA 09). It's a massive improvement and to be honest, if both games had said: 16 degrees! I'd have been plenty happy. I'm just trying to see when this is truly 360.. because I'm really not sure if any VIDEO has shown it to be yet. I'd love to see it and I take PESGaming's word that it is.. but so far I'm fairly sure I haven't seen it.
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a fair enough point......however put into gaming perspective, would or rather could anyone pay attention (or capable to see) to 1-5 degree turns displayed on a TV/monitor in which the size of players, pitch, balls and everything are 1/50 of real life -meaning, very small-?????

would it benefit the game much in term of gameplay?
 
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napo_rz said:
a fair enough point......however put into gaming perspective, would or rather could anyone pay attention (or capable to see) to 1-5 degree turns displayed on a TV/monitor in which the size of players, pitch, balls and everything are 1/10 of real life -meaning, very small-?????

would it benefit the game much in term of gameplay?
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I'm not sure. It's going to be hard to tell before we can compare. I mean, let's say, for a second that PES is 16, and FIFA is 360 (I know, boiling blood and all, but for the examples given...). When we can finally compare, then we will know if there is a sizeable difference. Can you SEE 1 degree? probably not. 5 degrees? Certainly. You can see incredibly fine turns on the ball on the FIFA videos, and in real life. It's actually one of the things which makes it look a lot more convincing this year, though that is mostly aesthetic.

When you are sprinting, the difference between 16 and 360 is quite considerable, as, obviously, the further you run, the more the angle will translate to. At slower run speeds, 16 is going to be almost indistinguishable.

I'd suggest, having played FIFA which has pseudo 16 degree - when sprinting you can turn through 16 angles, but, cannot maintain the finest angle. ie, You can run at 22.5 degrees, but on the next touch you MUST go to 45, or 0 if you continue sprinting (PES doesn't have that. PES allows you to maintain, as does FIFA now thank God)... that the fine angles can be quite important. There is no doubting the HUGE change that 16 is. As I said earlier, I honestly could have lived with 16 this year. 360 is a bonus.

I think the difference between 8 and 16 will be something you feel ALL the time. The difference between 16 and 360 will probably make a difference a handful of times a game in important situations. I think it's a worthwhile thing to have, though not anything to shout nor scream about.

I really just want clarity to this issue: what is it.. so far I'm positive I've never seen a 360 degree PES video, though it's DEFINITELY at least 16. I'll take PESGaming's word for it, for now. As I said earlier, I'd love to see Seabass (or maybe someone who fluent in English!) explaining it similarly to how Gary Paterson did.
 
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_anderson said:
I have seen players move in smooth angles in PES videos (move, not run), maybe I'm seeing things.
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Yea you're absolutely right, and while running sometimes players will make very small changes in direction that I don't think is possible with 16 directions.
 
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I think it was PES5 maybe or a earlier version(WE7I) where your keeper would randomly appear if you were 3-2 down with a minute to go if you had a corner?
 
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Urban said:
I think it was PES5 maybe or a earlier version(WE7I) where your keeper would randomly appear if you were 3-2 down with a minute to go if you had a corner?
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The game with Juve and AC Milan licensed had this, PES3 I think.
 
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My last words on the PES v FIFA debate:

PES will always do some things better, FIFA will always do other things better - it's up to you to decide which advantages are more important to you.
There will never be a universal "better game" that absolutely everyone recognises as being better in every aspect... the same goes for every single type of game that has two or more games competing...
 
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Rob92 said:
My last words on the PES v FIFA debate:

PES will always do some things better, FIFA will always do other things better - it's up to you to decide which advantages are more important to you.
There will never be a universal "better game" that absolutely everyone recognises as being better in every aspect... the same goes for every single type of game that has two or more games competing...
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Amen Rob92 a truer word never spoke now go change that god awful sig. :LOL:
 
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but every one can easly recognises that pes2010 animations and player moves is nothing compare fifa 2008 !! animations and player moves
 
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