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EA Sports employee sees latest PES Trailer.


50% build my hoop. we have the same discussion every year. This is what you see folks dont try and cover it up with bold unfounded statements.
 
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cowden_harley said:
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EA Sports employee sees latest PES Trailer.


50% build my hoop. we have the same discussion every year. This is what you see folks dont try and cover it up with bold unfounded statements.
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Actually FIFA10 doesn't even scratch the tactical depth that PES2010 will offer this year. What does FIFA10 have to offer this year, besides fancy 09 animations (which PES hasn't revealed yet), and 360 degree movement (which PES is strongly suggested to sport, this year)?

So actually, his reaction would be more like:
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ThomasGOAL has said over at WENB the video is from June. According to him they've done exactly what EA do (and a lot of other companies) - made a big bunch of videos and held them back to release over a period of time up until Gamescom.

Believe what you will! But if that's the case at least it will be an earlier build in the video and a later build at Gamescom.

The_Knight said:
Actually FIFA10 doesn't even scratch the tactical depth that PES2010 will offer this year. What does FIFA10 have to offer this year, besides fancy 09 animations (which PES hasn't revealed yet), and 360 degree movement (which PES is strongly suggested to sport, this year)?
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Haha, it's all coming out now... Must resist the urge to use the F word (ending in "boy")...
 
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Ali. C said:
Whata f""k do you think Konami will show at GC then?
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they will let people try it !!
thats all ..

for me the video was with mo cap
i can see it clearly ..
specially when messi scores at the end of the video
 
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WTF that vid was HORRIBLE
f*ckers jumped the gun to fast again with 'best PES ever'
 
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Chris Davies said:
ThomasGOAL has said over at WENB the video is from June. According to him they've done exactly what EA do (and a lot of other companies) - made a big bunch of videos and held them back to release over a period of time up until Gamescom.
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Oh, well thanks for clearing that up. At least now we know the video is 2 months old. By the way, which big companies release 2-months old gameplay worth of video, weeks before a reveal?
 
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FROM welovepes

Wednesday, 12 August 2009
Unhappy Days
Seriously, Suff is pissed. Just chatted to him and he can't for the life of him understand why Konami would show a video thats clearly (to us) from old code. You should of heard him on the phone before.


It's obvious that Konami didn't want to spoil the news at Gamescom, but I say if thats the case then why not hold the video back? Maybe a few weeks after Gamescom would have been best. But hey, Konami have been spot on this year, suppose they had to get some things wrong now and again.


All I can say is wait for Cologne. There's going to be a big enough difference there to make you realise, like Suff, how silly it was to release the video you saw showing so much gameplay.
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obie^trice said:
they will let people try it !!
thats all ..

for me the video was with mo cap
i can see it clearly ..
specially when messi scores at the end of the video
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I don't think anyone would wanna test it when it looks like PES 09. It's a 50% Build. The one a GC will be 70% and Zlatan will be in Barca. Not Eto'o like you just saw.
 
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Chris Davies said:
Haha, it's all coming out now... Must resist the urge to use the F word (ending in "boy")...
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Don't worry I won't utter it. FIFA09 has next gen visuals and animations. PES2010 surpassed the visuals category, as for the animations, we're about to see about that.

Regarding tactical depth, com'on is there even a contest?
 
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The_Knight said:
Actually FIFA10 doesn't even scratch the tactical depth that PES2010 will offer this year. What does FIFA10 have to offer this year, besides fancy 09 animations (which PES hasn't revealed yet), and 360 degree movement (which PES is strongly suggested to sport, this year)?
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sorry but YOU ARE FUCKING TRIPPING. Drugs are for mugs
 
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The_Knight said:
KONAMI is a bit stupid when it comes to marketing. They were so fixated on correcting Suff's broadcasted opinion, they were willing to risk showing gameplay from the 55% version.

They just want to correct Cards misconceptions, and explain Teamplay better.

As you can see, the video is edited pretty well. With a script, and overlaying effects. With the tight schedule they're already on, this could take weeks to accomplish.
RELAX, this is the 55% build.
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I agree, this video is for one purpose only, and it wasnt to show off the new animations. Those are definitely to follow. The sliders will give you so much control, it's a massive leap forward in gameplay variables. I have no doubt at all this will look a different game once we see the animations. Gameplay will always come before visuals for me, and this slider system and card system opens up a whole new world. Maybe Konami released this footage to really ensure the new visuals have an even greater initial impact. Thats not stupid PR, that could be if my assumptions are correct, a very clever PR move, dont you think ?
 
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Junka said:
FROM welovepes

Wednesday, 12 August 2009
Unhappy Days
Seriously, Suff is pissed. Just chatted to him and he can't for the life of him understand why Konami would show a video thats clearly (to us) from old code. You should of heard him on the phone before.


It's obvious that Konami didn't want to spoil the news at Gamescom, but I say if thats the case then why not hold the video back? Maybe a few weeks after Gamescom would have been best. But hey, Konami have been spot on this year, suppose they had to get some things wrong now and again.


All I can say is wait for Cologne. There's going to be a big enough difference there to make you realise, like Suff, how silly it was to release the video you saw showing so much gameplay.
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ha ha what a load of wank. like he has any worthwhile input at all. they showed the trailer because it was THE GAME.
 
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The_Knight said:
Oh, well thanks for clearing that up. At least now we know the video is 2 months old. By the way, which big companies release 2-months old gameplay worth of video, weeks before a reveal?
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You really are pissy tonight aren't you...?

ThomasGOAL said it's two months old, not me. And I did say "believe what you will" but you've conveniently missed that bit out of your quote.

As for which other companies do it - EA have done it before with their FIFA videos, and Ubisoft have done it at E3 (not before admittedly but at the actual event, which is probably worse, with clips such as the Assassin's Creed 2 and Splinter Cell videos). But it's different when it comes to football games anyway, it's a whole different kettle of fish and a different audience who tend to pick up on a lot more things and go over the videos with a fine-toothed comb.

Either way it would appear to be an old build so hopefully Gamescom clears everything up. I won't get into the FIFA vs PES debate here because it's obviously a waste of time if you think FIFA 10 offers zero improvements. Thank God that the majority of people here are objective... Enjoy PES.
 
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Jamezinho said:
I'm not expecting much. Konami trailers fill me with dread.
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Current status: Filled with dread and clinging onto hope of 50% build by my little finger.

Seriously, Konami shouldn't have bothered with this only a week before gamescom, unless they are trying to lower expectations and 'soften the blow'.

But, hey, the night-lighting at Anfield looked awesome.

@The Knight: I doubt the top bods at Konami even have a fucking clue who Suff is. He ain't that important. I certainly don't think this video was a reaction to his comments.
 
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Chris Davies said:
You really are pissy tonight aren't you...?

ThomasGOAL said it's two months old, not me. And I did say "believe what you will" but you've conveniently missed that bit out of your quote.
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No dude I believe you, I was wrong about suggesting it was purely to respond to WENB's arcadish portayal of the cards. Where did you come off thinking I said otherwise.
I said "OH, well thanks for clearing that up. At least we know it's 2 months old".
 
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The_Knight said:
No dude I believe you, I was wrong about suggesting it was purely to respond to WENB's arcadish portayal of the cards. Where did you come off thinking I said otherwise. I said "oh well, thanks for clearing that up".
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Sorry, it was coming off as sarcasm.

I'm only passing on what I'm reading at WENB.
 
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Chris Davies said:
Sorry, it was coming off as sarcasm.

I'm only passing on what I'm reading at WENB.
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But the fact it was made "back in June", doesn't negate my point. After WENB broadcasted how arcadish the "ability giver" cards were, Konami could have decided to make a video correcting this misconception, to release it before Gamescom, so that they can focus on new gameplay aspects. And benefit from a possible delightful "shock".

Marketing has always been driven by feedback. It's not like last year they wrote down every step they will do to market the game, and then just go through it like robots regardless of people's reaction. Now is the time to clear misconceptions, not after the game is on the shelves.
 
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Watch the video, 3:26, narrator (with a British accent I must add) says: "The cards won't boost your players' parameters in any way"

It certainly sounds like a response to a misconception to me.
 
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The tactics and cards are excellent, but it looked the same as PES2009 in every other aspect.
The passing and running were too fast and there were vast empty spaces for wingers as usual.
 
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The tactical sliders seem to me a good copy-paste of fifa's last year innovation. I would be delighted if pes succeeds in recreating different gameplay styles. It worries me, though, that they seem to have too much impact on positioning, and that brings me to the real worrying aspect: AI and positioning. It seems to be as bad as always. There are terribly stupid movements of defenders all the time, when a pass is done, some defenders are being "hold bakc" until the pass develops as its expected.

THAT won't change in the final version, because coding good AI takes AGES. It worries me that PES does a lot of positive and expected changes but at the end the infamous positioning and AI makes the game flop. For instance, I would like the tactical sliders to have different influence depending on the tactical stats of every player. I think they feel a little robotic in those examples, getting near (at the same distance) automatically as if they were mentally synchronized.

As Chris sugggests, I hope in the end product they have a better balance between this and what we find in Fifa, that sometimes is too subtle.

About the rest of the trailer and the build posts, I'm too tired to even talk about it. I'll wait to gamescon and see what they really have to offer, and as I'm a full grown adult, then I will decide if the game is worth it or not.
 
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I'm looking forward to seeing more vids of PES2010..it will be interesting...most defo
 
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IMO:
The +ves are:
-new lighting looks amazing
-some animations look nice (Dani alves, Messi)
-The card system gives diversity in play styles

The -ves are:
- The gameplay still too quick (e.g. Dani alves turn when he got the ball was so fast)
- Lack in animations (The passing animations look awful)

Gameplay wise, I'm worried!

I did say they would keep saying it's from an early build, so they can have their excuse ready before the video comes out. Anyway, Gamescom will show us everything and then we can judge the game.
 
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Yes the animations are very important - FIFA09, at times, just looks so organic in how the players move!
 
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so we're getting PES 2009 with cards, ace move Konami another wasted year

new animations spotted - no
anything new - no
but we have cards!

omg Konami...
 
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DannyBhoy said:
Yes the animations are very important - FIFA09, at times, just looks so organic in how the players move!
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Exactly, FIFA 09 was better in that aspect of gameplay. I played little FIFA 09 and I was impressed with how the players move and pass and even when they try to cut the ball, which has a technique to it, unlike PES 2009 when you don't know how you cut the ball. You just get the ball from the other player by collision mainly.
 
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only1ronaldo said:
so we're getting PES 2009 with cards, ace move Konami another wasted year

new animations spotted - no
anything new - no
but we have cards!

omg Konami...
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Chillax. The new animations haven't been added yet. This video was done in June (acc to ThomasGOAL). That's two months ago. The main purpose was to provide a visual description of the new Teamplay and Cards system before Gamescom, where a much more developed code will be shown and made playable.
 
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well it seemend the actual sliders worked in the new pes, besides pressure, nothing else worked in fifa
 
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