PES 2019 News Discussion Thread (INSULTS/DIGS = INSTANT BAN)

[SHF77Y]

Is there a stat that dictates how often a goalkeeper comes off his line? Maybe it is something that can be improved by boosting this stat globally. Although I know many stats in modern day PES have no effect.

Maybe setting the keepers play style to "offensive goalkeeper" might do the trick?

 

[Madmac79]

Maybe setting the keepers play style to "offensive goalkeeper" might do the trick?

Somebody tried last year. If I remember correctly, it made little to none difference.

 

[Chuny]

After watching the Liverpool VS Barcelona video by PESEP I'm so very not excited.
3 backheels in the first half (one of them just within the first 10 second after kick-off.
Many clumsy moves (could be the build needed some more fine tuning).
Messi is like the least dangerous player of the match.
Busquets goes from CM to AMF way too much.
Very little play over the wide areas of the pitch. PES 2018 was mostly about utilizing the flanks and having good wingers. But now it looks like they are forcing us o play down the center of the pitch. Could be how the teams were set-up, I don't know.
Etc

I don't know anymore. Should just shut up, stop watching everything until Wednesday.

 

[orangebard]

There are certain situations where[offensive GKs] they do come off their line but it doesn't affect some other, really obvious situations. There was a gif a few pages back where real life was compared to PES and it was perfect except for the goalie being stuck on his line. It was the perfect example to send to Konami. I'll try and find it...


Edit: This is the clip I was thinking of although obviously it doesn't show the PES GK. I've played enough PES 2018 to know that the goalie won't react as he does in the real life clip. Maybe someone who's played 2019 can shed some light.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KurosakiCarlos2/status/1020757501552283651/photo/1

 

[incas36]

What little tweaks did you feel were needed then? Don't worry it won't be seen as bashing the game, if the game was perfect no one would buy PES 2020 right?

Maybe if we see that pes 19 meets our expectations we'll by pes 2020 2021 2922 2023......2050!!!!! And when young boys who play arcade soccer undestand what is a REAL SOCCER GAME they will continue to buy it beyond 2050. That's for sure. Only so Pes can survive.

 

[Isslander]

100%. saw a video yesterday of coutinho smashing in an unstoppable rocket with his left foot from outside the box into the top corner

I could see Coutinho doing that. Not every time but he is skilled enough. It becomes a problem when just about anyone can do it.

 

[dalybhoy]

no news about regens - I don't think anybody asked soz mate

Well this is disappointing. Kind of get the impression the guys who go to these events are just delighted to be there, rather than actually trying to offer their critique.

If I was attending, I would have a page of notes detailing all the flaws with 2018 and what to look for in 2019; and be prepared to ask questions on anything that you can't identify from the playtest yourself. A little bit of preparation, so that I can make some sort of substantive comparison.

Can't believe those in attendance failed to enquire about one of the fundamental problems with Master League. Very poor.

Not exactly representing the community if you're just turning up happy go lucky and playing the game.

 

[Chief Inspector Grobelaar]

Edit mode details needed

 

[NIK778899]

If I was attending, I would have a page of notes detailing all the flaws with 2018 and what to look for in 2019; and be prepared to ask questions on anything that you can't identify from the playtest yourself. A little bit of preparation, so that I can make some sort of substantive comparison.

I imagine that if you did then you may not get an invite for the year after.

 

[NIK778899]

Edit mode details needed

Makes me think we're getting the same as 2018.
One thing I am desperate for is some new fonts for the names and numbers. 10 years we've been lumbered with those ones. At least 5 or 6 are just silly cartoonish ones. That and the border around the name and number would also be greatly desired.

Not enough attention goes into those minor details that add so much.

 

[orangebard]

I could see Coutinho doing that. Not every time but he is skilled enough. It becomes a problem when just about anyone can do it.

I don't necessarily disagree with you however I've just watched a video of Coutinho's goals for Liverpool and 4 out of 54 were with his left foot and only 2 of which were good strikes. I definitely think there's room for considerably more error where this is concerned.

Asim said something during the Glasgow stream which to me was very pertinent with the current state of PES. I can't remember word for word but essentially he said, in regards to the new shooting 'traits' that they wanted it to be contextual rather than button combinations and for me that is exactly the opposite of what I want. The reason I play the game is to express myself and I love the feeling of being in control of every aspect and if there are advanced commands that give me more freedom to do that then I will completely embrace the skill that it requires to do that. For me, that's how I remember the old days - I could play with friends who hardly played the game and they could do the basics but there was a layer of depth for those that put the time in and it feels like Konami are moving away from that and that is a tragedy.

 

[espimas]

Well this is disappointing. Kind of get the impression the guys who go to these events are just delighted to be there, rather than actually trying to offer their critique.

If I was attending, I would have a page of notes detailing all the flaws with 2018 and what to look for in 2019; and be prepared to ask questions on anything that you can't identify from the playtest yourself. A little bit of preparation, so that I can make some sort of substantive comparison.

Can't believe those in attendance failed to enquire about one of the fundamental problems with Master League. Very poor.

Not exactly representing the community if you're just turning up happy go lucky and playing the game.

This is the perfect example why they don't give a damn about ML.

Making ML repetitive will force you into MyClub, and regens is just a wee trick to making ML repetitive.

 

[Isslander]

Making ML repetitive will force you into MyClub, and regens is just a wee trick to making ML repetitive.

I would almost applaud that level of tactical thinking, but I think you are giving them too much credit.

 

[PeterC10]

Makes me think we're getting the same as 2018.
One thing I am desperate for is some new fonts for the names and numbers. 10 years we've been lumbered with those ones. At least 5 or 6 are just silly cartoonish ones. That and the border around the name and number would also be greatly desired.

Not enough attention goes into those minor details that add so much.

I'm not 100% sure but I think Adam has said previously that doing that would make it more likely for them to be sued by the license holders.

 

[Gunslinger]

Edit mode details needed

Same as last years edit mode, I reckon. Never know though. Hope springs eternal.

 

[rfc41ge]

Well this is disappointing. Kind of get the impression the guys who go to these events are just delighted to be there, rather than actually trying to offer their critique.

If I was attending, I would have a page of notes detailing all the flaws with 2018 and what to look for in 2019; and be prepared to ask questions on anything that you can't identify from the playtest yourself. A little bit of preparation, so that I can make some sort of substantive comparison.

Can't believe those in attendance failed to enquire about one of the fundamental problems with Master League. Very poor.

Not exactly representing the community if you're just turning up happy go lucky and playing the game.

When I was battling depression one of the quotes in a self help book told the readers to do this:

"Next time you walk into the kitchen and notice some dirty dishes take a look around and notice everything that is tidy and clean"

Moral of it is stop hyper focusing on the negatives but instead focus on what is positive, take that outlook and you will see its about 95% good and 5% bad.

 

[Elanimator]

To be fair catch up is in the game to give it a little bit of balance. Without it, the game would be a through ball session with speedster strikers and wingers getting hattricks for fun

I agree.
Me personally, I wish they can find a way to remove "catch-up bug" but at the same time make the "through ball passes" skill based.

On assisted, through ball passes are stat(luck) based. Not sure, if I can separate stat from luck because higher stat just means higher chance of executing a perfect through ball. Maybe there's more to it.

This is still also an issue with manual because I think there's still much assistance in throughballs and crosses.
Not very sure though, as I don't use "triangle button" and "L1+circle". I simple use normal pass for ground through-ball and just circle(with L2 mod) for any type of cross.

 

[janguv]

Asim said something during the Glasgow stream which to me was very pertinent with the current state of PES. I can't remember word for word but essentially he said, in regards to the new shooting 'traits' that they wanted it to be contextual rather than button combinations and for me that is exactly the opposite of what I want. The reason I play the game is to express myself and I love the feeling of being in control of every aspect and if there are advanced commands that give me more freedom to do that then I will completely embrace the skill that it requires to do that. For me, that's how I remember the old days - I could play with friends who hardly played the game and they could do the basics but there was a layer of depth for those that put the time in and it feels like Konami are moving away from that and that is a tragedy.

I find it strange you talking about this as though it's a newish directon. PES has had a contextual design philosophy for many years now. Meanwhile, FIFA has gone in the exact opposite direction – there's a modifier or combination for everything. (Just look at their new double tap mechanic they're showing off.)

It's very much something that's hard to objectively argue in favour of one way or the other. I'll give my two cents on the value of contextual design philosophy anyway.

I think the claim that contextual variables/triggers remove control is misleading. You learn to work within an environment, and you see that the limits of the environment can give you as much if not greater expression than a more command-based setup.

So I can't set off (say) shielding with a button, but I can learn what circumstancial elements will tend to trigger it. With the former approach, features quickly become exploits in game mechanics (online especially), with the latter much less so. Moreover, if the contextual triggers are well refined (and they're not always—a risk and a problem with this philosophy), the overall effect is a fluid and realistic feel. A sense of "life" to the game, not purely deterministic inputs and outputs.

 

[Lami]

I would almost applaud that level of tactical thinking, but I think you are giving them too much credit.

I wouldn't even think it's tactical thinking. Simply just not bothering, because that other mode is what makes them the money now.

 

[rfc41ge]

I don't know how it works in psychology, but if you apply this in real life, your/my/our kitchen will soon be a cockroach colony!
About pes, imho we are still far enough from 95/5 good/bad ratio.

I hear you buddy and it's not a literal thing more perspective, it's just something that always crosses my mind when negative thoughts arise and something that will stay with me, like PES you can get caught up with crappy PA and pathetic ai and piss poor offline and back heels, if you hyperfocus on them it's hard to see everything that is good which is basically everything else if you only notice the faults.

 

[P34SEMM]

Just a little on the graphics hands down the best looking PES game to date, 4K HDR and PS4 pro's is what we played on yesterday and boy o boy dem graphics ....damn

as the players lined up (national teams) and they sing the national anthem you can see the reflection of the stadium in theirs eyes ..... wow !!

Thank the lord I'm ready 4K HDR tv with a PS4Pro ......boom !!!

Shame Spoonypizza's flight got cancelled so he didn't make it, because he forked out on a 4K HDR capture card ..... not one video has done the game justice in the graphics dept

Is it full 4K HDR on Xbox1x as well?
It’s more powerful machine than the pro so you’d think it would be or have Konami shafted Xbox users again.

 

[Elanimator]

It's not about the dishes mate, it's about a problem with a percentage of the human population who hyperfocus on the bad and not the bigger picture.

I think, It just looks like we're hyper-focused on the negatives because we are more vocal on the negatives than positives.
We're still buying the game even with its flaws, which means there's still a lots of good things about the game.
Buying the game speaks louder than saying good things about the game. Maybe, it's also the reason they haven't fixed some of the issues because people is still buying it.

I hear you buddy and it's not a literal thing more perspective, it's just something that always crosses my mind when negative thoughts arise and something that will stay with me, like PES you can get caught up with crappy PA and pathetic ai and piss poor offline and back heels, if you hyperfocus on them it's hard to see everything that is good which is basically everything else if you only notice the faults.

I'm very disappointed with PES2019. Old issues still persist. The minor improvements are nice but not a "rework" or "overhaul" as they usually say.
I haven't played the DEMO yet but I don't think what I will feel while playing will be a lot different than what I've seen on videos
I'll still buy the game with all its flaws because I think there's still things that I'll enjoy about it.
If there comes a time that it turns into a really bad game, I'll just stop buying the game.
But until then, I'll buy/play and try to give my thoughts on how they can improve the game.
Maybe there's a chance they can fix those issues, maybe there's not.

 

[Mdizzl3]

I think, It just looks like we're hyper-focused on the negatives because we are more vocal on the negatives than positives.
We're still buying the game even with its flaws, which means there's still a lots of good things about the game.
Buying the game speaks louder than saying good things about the game. Maybe, it's also the reason they haven't fixed some of the issues because people is still buying it.


I'm very disappointed with PES2019. Old issues still persist. The minor improvements are nice but not a "rework" or "overhaul" as they usually say.
I haven't played the DEMO yet but I don't think what I will feel while playing will be a lot different than what I've seen on videos
I'll still buy the game with all its flaws because I think there's still things that I'll enjoy about it.
If there comes a time that it turns into a really bad game, I'll just stop buying the game.
But until then, I'll buy/play and try to give my thoughts on how they can improve the game.
Maybe there's a chance they can fix those issues, maybe there's not.

Wow that's a lot of negativity before you have even tried it. There is now chance you'll enjoy it, going in with thoughts like that.

 

[Lami]

Is it full 4K HDR on Xbox1x as well?
It’s more powerful machine than the pro so you’d think it would be or have Konami shafted Xbox users again.

Source

 

[slamsoze]

I hear you buddy and it's not a literal thing more perspective, it's just something that always crosses my mind when negative thoughts arise and something that will stay with me, like PES you can get caught up with crappy PA and pathetic ai and piss poor offline and back heels, if you hyperfocus on them it's hard to see everything that is good which is basically everything else if you only notice the faults.

Thanx for reply mate. I knew your phrase was a metaphor,i did a wordplay. About pes and negativity, my honest opinion is that it is the company's fault when customers are so negative every year. I don't believe that anyone comes so early with a negative proclivity.There are facts from KONAMi marketing wise, startegy wise whatever that creates this negativity. And also in the latter years we had became very tolerant and we accept or bypass many things. Take for example the "Dynamic Lighting" case. Some years before it would be an "act of war" since the company spent the 50% of the first trailer this year, showing us moving shadows and after two months they told us, the shadows move only once in the Half-Time. From a PES fan perspective i have not ever cared about "moving shadows". But from a customer perspective i felt annoyed and i need too much "positive energy" to overlook something that was teased from the developing company, not from me or an other fan/customer, and transform a "lie" or a "misleading" to "bad translation" or "just hype". And this is only one from a lot examples that comes in mind.

 

[kernowdoc]

One of the testers at Glasgow, Precision, says that the game feels great, but there is still small niggling things with defenders positioning that he has reported to the team. He says the game is same pace as e3 code and gk's seem better. Nice to get some game play specifics instead of the usual hyperbole.

 

[Redhat]

I hear you buddy and it's not a literal thing more perspective, it's just something that always crosses my mind when negative thoughts arise and something that will stay with me, like PES you can get caught up with crappy PA and pathetic ai and piss poor offline and back heels, if you hyperfocus on them it's hard to see everything that is good which is basically everything else if you only notice the faults.

There's a clear distinction between hyper-focusing on the negative aspects and having said negative aspects be so overwhelmingly glaring, it detracts from the overall experience. The aforementioned slights against the game that you just listed are pretty major faults for a lot of people (myself included). It's not something you can just close your eyes, cover your ears, and pretend doesn't exist. Rather, that might work for you, but it sure as hell doesn't for me.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

the response was the game is too far gone to do any major changes - this is it and the question was always asked are you happy with what your playing?, do you like it?, any tweaks needed?



it's back see you on wednnesday

On One hand sounds good.
On the other its just mean user error not stat impact.

 

[Malcolm9]

Is it full 4K HDR on Xbox1x as well?
It’s more powerful machine than the pro so you’d think it would be or have Konami shafted Xbox users again.

I have an X and a Pro and the X is massively overrated, more often than not it just has a higher resolution but the games look sharp already on the Pro. A game like this really won't look any different either as it'll be native 4k on both. You also have the limited edit mode on the Xbox as well.

 

[Cyrax77]

Wasn't PES2018 in 4K also? Correct me if I am wrong, but I had the idea that it was? The supporters do look amazing in 2019 btw. Very excited to check it out on my Oled wednesday.