PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

[Shazyp]

I just noticed 2 major glitches in the game. If the opposition gets an injury and they haven't used any of their substitutions, they still fail to substitute the guy, meaning I am playing against 10 men only!!!


Also I had cases where I lost control of the player, and they ended up running into no man's land without the ball, leaving the opposition to have the ball all to themselves

 

[Chris Davies]

I just noticed 2 major glitches in the game. If the opposition gets an injury and they haven't used any of their substitutions, they still fail to substitute the guy, meaning I am playing against 10 men only!!!

That doesn't sound right - was he just temporarily off the pitch? Was it the last few minutes of the game or something?

My favourite issue so far (someone in here reported it a few days ago, sorry for not giving you a name-check whoever you are) is that if you tell your player to man-mark someone and the player they're marking gets a walk-off injury, your player follows him over to the sideline and just stands there.

 

[Emroth]

My favourite issue so far (someone in here reported it a few days ago, sorry for not giving you a name-check whoever you are) is that if you tell your player to man-mark someone and the player they're marking gets a walk-off injury, your player follows him over to the sideline and just stands there

Well...you never know! He might be trying to fool his marker and score!

 

[Shazyp]

That doesn't sound right - was he just temporarily off the pitch? Was it the last few minutes of the game or something?

My favourite issue so far (someone in here reported it a few days ago, sorry for not giving you a name-check whoever you are) is that if you tell your player to man-mark someone and the player they're marking gets a walk-off injury, your player follows him over to the sideline and just stands there.

Actually it was for a few seconds, but the problem was I couldn't switch players or bring the keeper out. I was, essentially, a sitting duck.

I think this problem is surfacing after the live update yesterday, because I didn't experience anything like this before

 

[Shazyp]

It was something like this☝️

 

[philla]

My youth coach always told me to mark the striker and do nothing else - even if he is going to the toilet. So i would say that´s quite realistic.

 

[philla]

It was something like this☝️

He nearly saved it!

 

[Emroth]

I had an issue (few times already), when before the match I cant see both players when Im choosing kits for the game. Option is there, I can swap kits, but I dont actually see the players. Same when I go to main menu where I can select Game Plan or Kick Off. Players arent there.
Dont know if its the OF that messed things up a bit or is it game issue itself..

 

[Madmac79]

SO I played some more in these past days.

Shooting and keepers still don't convince me fully. Some of the saves (not all of them, just to be clear) just look fake or scripted.. for absurd, I preferred 2018 at least in this fundamental. BUT the fact that now they go out of their goal is still immensely good to me, I already had some nice additional situations from a keeper exit.
Shooting.. I don't know, most of the times I don't the get the satisfaction I should feel for it.

For the rest.. at least from this still first 15 hours or something of play, this game is much better than 2018. Finally, while there still is much to be done here, I can feel some good individuality, both from pace (but only if I leave the game at zero speed.. at -2 or even -1 I feel like pace differences tends to flatten out) and from big players feeling more physical and capable of defending the ball. I think some massive stat editing would surprise us way better than last year.
The game is generally more random, there is a decent number of fouls, varied situations arise in the field. Stamina is finally a thing too, characterizing well the last quarter of matches.

IA has a lot of problems but at least it isn't the idiotic overpowered and unrealistic thing of 2018. There is of course momentum, scripting or whatever you want to call it, but I feel that if I pick Brazil and I play against a small nation in superstar I can actually win if I concentrate enough because I have stronger players.
Then, some games feels like I have good midfield battles, others like end to end fests.. hard to get a definitive idea. Deep defense the way the game tought it doesn't help indeed, but I can't say either I haven't enjoyed a good deal of matches nonetheless.

I really hope that developers will be able to give players some true identity and teams a bit more of personality. The game would truly shine with those. And for the future some rethink of first touch error, hopefully, because it should be way more marked and present than it is.

p.s. how the hell do I score headers ?

 

[Peter Withe]

I personally think some people need to learn how to play the game properly instead of shitting on it.

...and there it is again. “Git Gud”, right?

People are more than entitled to have a moan about a game they’ve spent 50 dollars/50 Euro on.

I like PES a hell of a lot this year. But go from this over to the other game and that one feels so free and less restrictive than PES yet again.

In PES 2019 on master league I have to pass pass pass and wait until an opportunity which is fine...but not what everyone wants out of a football game.

It’s got nothing to do with learning how to play the game. I am sure that most here are pro evo soccer veterans and know how to play a PES or WE title.

 

[philla]

People are more than entitled to have a moan about a game they’ve spent 50 dollars/50 Euro on.

I like PES a hell of a lot this year. But go from this over to the other game and that one feels so free and less restrictive than PES yet again.

I never quite understood this "restrictive" thing. What exactly makes you feel restricted in PES (in comparison to FIFA)?

 

[Peter Withe]

I never quite understood this "restrictive" thing. What exactly makes you feel restricted in PES (in comparison to FIFA)?

I go back and forth from both games a lot so obviously for me, I notice the difference quickly.

In PES, you’re on rails. So the ball and player never feel like completely different entities to me. The shots are straight and more predictable

Disclaimer: I prefer PES this year because it’s sinply more fun and for me, plays a better game of football. But there are loads of flaws with it, one of them is it still feels extremely dated both on and off the pitch. But the FIFA AI is so LOL at times I can’t take it seriously.

 

[philla]

I go back and forth from both games a lot so obviously for me, I notice the difference quickly.

In PES, you’re on rails. So the ball and player never feel like completely different entities to me. The shots are straight and more predictable

Disclaimer: I prefer PES this year because it’s sinply more fun and for me, plays a better game of football. But there are loads of flaws with it, one of them is it still feels extremely dated both on and off the pitch. But the FIFA AI is so LOL at times I can’t take it seriously.

It seems that playing on full manual hides the ugliness of passing/shootng to me. Regarding the ball and player interaction, i can´t really see what you are referring to. To me, PES2019 sets the mark regarding loose balls, deflection physics and unforeseen situations, while keeping ball and player interaction very comprehensible most of the time (while ball/player interaction is ridiciously schematic on FIFA). The only area FIFA is in front to me is the implementation of scalable first touch error via sliders.

 

[Peter Withe]

It seems that playing on full manual hides the ugliness of passing/shootng to me. Regarding the ball and player interaction, i can´t really see what you are referring to. To me, PES2019 sets the mark regarding loose balls, deflection physics and unforeseen situations, while keeping ball and player interaction very comprehensible most of the time (while ball/player interaction is ridiciously schematic on FIFA). The only area FIFA is in front to me is the implementation of scalable first touch error via sliders.

Which is great because you can enjoy PES without feeling any of the annoyances. I can’t, I notice them too much.

But I will put up with them for another year. And PES 2019 for half price in the sale is well worth it.

 

[philla]

Which is great because you can enjoy PES without feeling any of the annoyances. I can’t, I notice them too much.

But I will put up with them for another year. And PES 2019 for half price in the sale is well worth it.

I can highly recommend switching to full manual while going back one or two difficulty levels. I know no one which ever had to regret that. There is no player individuality in passing on PA1 anyway, so there is nothing to sacrifice.

 

[Thespeedster84]

The railness is also impacted from the semi rigid animation transition. Which i think is needed to have that great moment changing direction to wrongfoot defenders. You don't have that in the other game which has smooth animation transition and much less rigid. It does not have big advantageous really in overall gameplay experiences during my play.

 

[PRO_TOO]

I personally think people can say whatever they want about the game they spent their hard eard money on

Sure. But the way some users do is just pathetic!
I value every opinion, but it should be constructive!

 

[Chris Davies]

Sure. But the way some users do is just pathetic!

Maybe there are members who think some of the OTT praise is "pathetic", but they don't feel the need to insult anyone. Don't start insulting people for criticising something you happen to like, or vice-versa. We won't tolerate any of it.

 

[Emroth]

I can highly recommend switching to full manual while going back one or two difficulty levels. I know no one which ever had to regret that. There is no player individuality in passing on PA1 anyway, so there is nothing to sacrifice.

For me, personally, there is. I felt like I had to sacrifice short one two passes and last, short through balls to open the defense. Manual was fantastic up to the AI penalty area, where (with my crappy passing and swarm the box AI) I had huge problems playing short passing game in tight spaces.
It all resulted in me hitting the wall around final third and after a while, out of frustration, I just had to go back to PA1.
Might give it another go to see if anything changed after the patch.

 

[PRO_TOO]

Let the moderators decide what steps over the line. Don't start insulting people for criticising something you happen to like. We don't tolerate it.

Like WHAT?! So I am not aloud to express what “I feel is over the line”, like you said? Did not feel I was commenting towards “over the line”!!! Sure I am not banning users, not a mod, you guys do that. It just feels so “out of nowhere”!
Tell me please, what’s Wong with my latest post?! It’s still me, PRO_TOO!
I have that feeling you coming at me. Not sure, mate. I’m good minded, you know that!

Edit: I may be wrong using that word pathetic when I thing about it. if it is that, I need to learn better English.
Search for posts where I included the word pathetic! Shouldn’t be too much!

 

[normazimuth]

I hate the way they blast it top corner nearly every goal too and the fact that they are so switched on defensively it really curbs goal variety because certain paths are just a no go

I played ascoli in my last game they had 5 shots, 5 on target, 5 goals and all blasted in at close range top corner I have 13 shots 4 on target ended up losing 5-2 maybe that's why my post might sound full of fruststation

Right now I prefer 2018 vs the AI but I will keep playing see if it gets better

Yeah for the most part you can forget dribbling, crossing and shooting from range. It's a passing simulator. ping it around enough like a hot potato and eventually one of your players will get half a yard for a shot. Where's the fun in this?

Yeah, the AI variety is disappointing, both in terms of how the cpu plays and (I usually play fixed cursor so only control one player all match) how your AI team mates play. The variety was far better in 2018 - i used to love watching my AI team-mates attack and score a variety of goals. In 2019, I see the same limited range of goals over and over. And it's definitely all about passing - always add one extra pass in the box and the goal tends to be forthcoming. Even with crossing, I found passing from the header more often ends up with a goal than trying to score direct from the header. As Chris likes to say, with this game you learn to pay PES, not football.

There are issues from 2018 that 2019 has thankfully improved upon but also some things have regressed. One step forward and one step backwards.

 

[saintric]

There are issues from 2018 that 2019 has thankfully improved upon but also some things have regressed. One step forward and one step backwards.

yea thats something I agree with they have sorted a lot of the annoyances from 2018 out but also replaced them with new ones

 

[mehuk]

I'm sorry @mehuk but I have to tag you again here.

How you can say there's no scripting is just insane. It's there for everyone to see, it's as plain as day.

I'm loving PES this year. But to blindly stick up for something and make blatant lies like 'no scripting' is silly...it won't help the game improve in future versions.

Im not sticking up for anything, I dont buy into the fan or not malarky. I hate FIFA i buy it every year, i like PES most years, I buy it every year.

There may be some AI boosts as you go up the levels or when they chase a game... but to claim some of the stupid things in here (like the one I initially replied to).. things like, the AI deliberately moved my player out of hte way so he couldnt control the ball... or my keeper was having a shit when their player shot, but he then saved it, but the game give the other team a touchdown so I lost in the 8000th minute of injury time in the Chupa Chup Super Cup.

Record whole games, post them here and put the time you are 'scripted' out of a win so we can all see.
Then record whole games where you win so we can compare.

To suggest that Konami or any company put a code in that automatically makes the AI score by denying the user any control in a game, is ludicrous.

Every goal you concede you can prevent, fact.

 

[SJ321]

On manual, I try to mix it. I put some in with L1, wich makes them lower, R2, wich makes them high, regular ones or double tap for ground crosses. Look out were the receiver will be and as soon as you press the cross button, try to stear the receiver towards the ball, rounding the defender.
Give it a try. Works even better since the patch!

Thanks for this. Variation is definitely key it seems, I've scored a couple of very good goals since with L1 and R2. The ground cross is also very good when you get right to the byline.

I bought PES on launch and put it to the side for about a month waiting for the patch and I think they've done a pretty good job, it could obviously be improved but I think they've sorted out a lot of the major issues and I'm finding it fairly enjoyable.

My 2 biggest annoyances at the moment in terms of things they could legitimately patch are AI controlled players on your own team and the referees. I don't know if it's my formation or tactics causing it maybe but the amount of times the teammate AI run in my way is ridiculous. I'll be steaming through the middle of the pitch on an attack and then one of my own midfielders will decide to run in front of me and just get in the way.

With referees I don't mind the poor calls from time to time to be honest, they're never going to be perfect. However the inconsistency with cards is crazy, it's like it's done by a random yes/no generator rather than how the bad the offence was. Match after match I get booked for innocuous challenges in the middle of the park while there's nothing more than a warning for the AI hacking me down on a counter attack.

 

[Peter Withe]

Im not sticking up for anything, I dont buy into the fan or not malarky. I hate FIFA i buy it every year, i like PES most years, I buy it every year.

There may be some AI boosts as you go up the levels or when they chase a game... but to claim some of the stupid things in here (like the one I initially replied to).. things like, the AI deliberately moved my player out of hte way so he couldnt control the ball... or my keeper was having a shit when their player shot, but he then saved it, but the game give the other team a touchdown so I lost in the 8000th minute of injury time in the Chupa Chup Super Cup.

Record whole games, post them here and put the time you are 'scripted' out of a win so we can all see.
Then record whole games where you win so we can compare.

To suggest that Konami or any company put a code in that automatically makes the AI score by denying the user any control in a game, is ludicrous.

Every goal you concede you can prevent, fact.

How is your opinion a ' fact ' ?

 

[Peter Withe]

Anyway, not going to debate on the scripting thing any longer.

I've been playing PES 2019 most of the day and despite it's flaws....it's a joy on the pitch this year, a true joy. There are so many little moments that I actually say out loud " Wow. This game. "

Haven't done that in PES for....I can't remember how long.

It's so much better after patch....not perfect. But it's damn good.

 

[hitmanuk]

I'm getting hammered every league game..my team are shattered come half time

 

[Gale Kast]

Enjoying ML immensely now, sometimes the AI is a bit spammy and ping pongy but I can look past that because, for the most part, they aren't just hammering the low crosses. It is very much reduced although they still do sweaty goals occasionally. Its like Konami programmed the AI based upon online players preferred tactics which is why last year it was all full power high through balls and this year is ping pong passing with full assist AI at times.

As for online, I enjoy it a lot when the scripting isn't killing me. When it is, it is horrible. They need to do away with it. Two people at similar rating levels with similar team levels do not need scripting. Just let it be the best player wins. If you lose, so be it, get better at the game and try again. But artificially winning or losing takes enjoyment out. I actually messaged a guy the other day to apologise because I clearly won due to scripting and it felt crap. I would rather get hammered 5-0 by a good player than beat him 1-0 because the game decided I should do so.

Another note, they really need to get rid of anything above PA 1 online and make PA 1 very loose as well. There needs to be more passing error. I try and play the right way, but my opponents, not so much. It kills me when I spend 90 minutes desperately defending against a PA 3 ping pong passer who never misplaces a pass and just spams away and destroys any enjoyment. On top of that, it seems that now I have taken my MyClub rating into the upper 700s, every opponent I face is a cheap spammer. Its making me want to lose so I can get my rating back down and play some people who aren't win at all costs idiots.

But when the game works online it is superb, I can't fault it when it is fair, it feels fantastic to play. The game always shines in offline PvP but online CAN be just as good when it isn't actively trying to ruin it for you. As for ML, as I said, me and the missus are enjoying it a hell of a lot more now, everything feels much improved even if there is the odd unpreventable goal at times.

I just wish Konami could realise they need to make online fair and less exploitable. If I lose to a guy I should beat because the game decides my players are knee deep in mud, I aint going to play another game that day. Yes new players might struggle, but there has to be a learning curve somewhere. Handing people wins so they feel good about themselves is a cheap and pointless tactic that will drive more people away in the long run. Let it be a game of skill, reduce the exploits and assists and make people work for those great goals and great play and all of a sudden PES will be the game that all the actual football fans will want to play again.

Apologies for the ramble

 

[aderow]

The last patch did a lot of good for the AI. Unfortunately because it's now attacking better overall, it has exacerbated how poor the AI is defensively. Especially in regards to defensive lines.

The AI still drops way too deep. An attacker shouldn't be wide in the 6 yard box waiting for a cross.

And AI defensive positioning is still an issue. I played a match last night in BAL and my AGF side ripped Ajax apart because the entire match, their players were constantly out of position. Be it in front of their backline or in behind their fullbacks, there was ample space to exploit. Way too much imo. And they too dropped way too deep when my side had the ball close to their box.

 

[Dennis_87]

I personally am an Average Minus player in pvp and Average vsCPU.
I believe strongly in /scripting/handicap/aaa pull-boosting, but for pvp at least I have never complained as I understand that there are variable players in skill.Those who have winning streaks over 80% are so adaptive in a video game so they can go on and fond the exploits to win even when their team is handicapped.The problem for me is in games Average VS average where the one being handicapped is so obvious sometimes.For me takes away any immersion and just makes me not enjoy the match.I have felt many time with the same players/same stats, occasions where I super cancel between an opponent passing and ball is clipping through my players body and feet for 90 minutes and in other matches,especially when I am on a losing streak ,where my players is 2 meters away from ball and he wraps and captures it magically when I press (X) no matter timing or positioning,he just teleports to the right place the right time cutting my opponent passing lanes and paths everywhere .It just does not let me enjoy the game and I feel constantly more annoyed when I win games because my players act like they are boosted.So I just avoid to play online MyClub.
By I repeat although it annoys me I never moan as the MMO games have these formulas to keep customers happy,or with a false hope that they will improve someday.Orelse we would end up ,some people having Elo below 200 or 100 rAting which never happens.I have never seen anyone with rAting less then 200.
So I believe it exists but it does not defy tha game by 100%.It is up to someone’s adaptability and skills ,how much he is affected by all these scenarios.

P.S.: Against AI It is a different story with few similarities.

Well...on PC the last guy in the standings has a rating of 82 and he has played more than 600 matches also.
If scripting actually exists,it surely hasn't done a great job of helping the poor guy a bit.
Or maybe he's so bad at this game that even scripting in his favor realised that and abandoned him.