PES 2019 Demo Impressions Thread

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It would be nice if someone could be bothered to try to exhaust a player with fixed cursor on the extended time pc version. I made a post before on my attempt, I got Lallana pretty beat but not exhausted. But I don't know if the new stamina system scales properly to a 5 minute game.
It does 'help' ef the player is on straight down arrow.
 
Played a few more games today, still very much enjoying it, plenty of fouls versus AI, probably 3-4 called and another 2-3 with advantage played.. Played online with Inter versus a Barcelona ping pong passer.. Found it very easy to cut out his passes which was nice. It seemed like I had the advantage because I was taking a touch and shifting my player to a workable passing position rather than just spamming pass like he was. Beat him 3-0 and that felt good. Hopefully it will stay this way going forwards.
 
Tried 4 games at lunch, 3 times against Barcelona (surprise), 1 against Schalke.

In every game, the opponent pushed the DM(S) into defence, making a 5-6-man wall, and pushed the three up-front to form a straight line along the half-way line. Sometimes there was just one in the middle.

I think @robbieryan showed a screenshot where a similar thing was happening, and I think it was @klashman69 who said "set up your tactics to counter it then, it's like real football".

Dude. If a real-life team set up like that, you wouldn't have to change your formation. They'd get annihilated. But because passing accuracy is so good (PA1 or above), you'll always be able to pass to someone perfectly (there are no such things as loose balls in this game, the ball is not a separate entity), as long as there isn't an opponent so close to him that your aim will automatically direct to that opponent instead.

Call it what you want, call it fun if you think it's fun, but it is nothing close to football.

At least remove the ability to edit your formation online. (I think it's locked in myClub isn't it? But it shouldn't be allowed at all. Not when you can exploit it so incredibly, childishly fucking easily. It shows just how basic the game is.)
 
Played some match online also offline but 5 minutes per match too short. Anyone got problem with connection can change it to level 5 (default is level 3), i don't feel lagging when play online at this, ball physical better than last year, multi way for shooting: you can use rising shot or dipping shot to score goal that's two new features added, quickly substitute also helpful if u need change player (that's copy from FIFA :D)
 
Guys, wanted to ask if it's just me or the game feels to be the most realistic on -2 gamespeed in demo?
In 18 i was always playing on -1, but -1 in demo feels a bit too fast for my taste.
What's your opinion about game speed setting?
 
Sovereign Hope said:
The attack/def level for cpu doesnt change whether they are on attacking or defending (maybe konami listen to matt about the caught in two mind thing).

But the attck/def thing is random even on the same team. Let say i play against barca, sometimes they start with blue, sometimes neutral and sometime red. When its red they close you down hard. Below that they wont.
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I've noticed otherwise actually. Its been improved upon over the last 2 years, hopefully that all out attack bug is sorted in cup modes which renders them a total mess. I think this is ok for now, and the main issue is contradictory setups by Konami as per fucking usual :(

The AI seem to go back and fourth from attack to defence on and off the ball but there does seem to be a new awareness in regards to team strength. Weaker teams don't usually use attacking red mentallity against stronger ones, all teams seem obsessed with using blue mentallity for defending unless losing later on in a match.
 
Chris Davies said:
Tried 4 games at lunch, 3 times against Barcelona (surprise), 1 against Schalke.

In every game, the opponent pushed the DM(S) into defence, making a 5-6-man wall, and pushed the three up-front to form a straight line along the half-way line. Sometimes there was just one in the middle.

I think @robbieryan showed a screenshot where a similar thing was happening, and I think it was @klashman69 who said "set up your tactics to counter it then, it's like real football".

Dude. If a real-life team set up like that, you wouldn't have to change your formation. They'd get annihilated. But because passing accuracy is so good (PA1 or above), you'll always be able to pass to someone perfectly (there are no such things as loose balls in this game, the ball is not a separate entity), as long as there isn't an opponent so close to him that your aim will automatically direct to that opponent instead.

Call it what you want, call it fun if you think it's fun, but it is nothing close to football.

At least remove the ability to edit your formation online. (I think it's locked in myClub isn't it? But it shouldn't be allowed at all. Not when you can exploit it so incredibly, childishly fucking easily. It shows just how basic the game is.)
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Yep, and as i said in response to Klashman, I have no interest in changing my tactics around to compete with pure stupidity, i'd rather just not play the game.

looks like offline is a no-go for me and online a no-go because there is still no punishment for silly tactics and one touch hyperspeed football. ah well. funny because I enjoy quite a lot of the demo, but i'm not going to get a game i'm going to hate when playing for any extended period
 
robbieryan said:
Yep, and as i said in response to Klashman, I have no interest in changing my tactics around to compete with pure stupidity, i'd rather just not play the game.

looks like offline is a no-go for me and online a no-go because there is still no punishment for silly tactics and one touch hyperspeed football. ah well. funny because I enjoy quite a lot of the demo, but i'm not going to get a game i'm going to hate when playing for any extended period
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Will that be a break from football games this year or will you be playing something else?
 
klashman69 said:
Yes, :) This beats the usual AI IS BROKEN panic posts when people need to look at why things happen.



Nope.

From what I've seen and Barca's default setting you need to play a high line with Barca and basically have your backline as close to the halfway line as possible, the issue here is your backline is backing off and your midfield aren't helping to get back, your giving Colo Colo so much space to easily carve through you.

When Colo Colo passed back at 0.02 Pique is in no mans land along with Busquets on the center circle line where they should either be defending and dropping back or you use the D-Pad to set the offside trap. You can prevent this goal even at 0.04 when the winger has the ball and you can stop the 5 vs 3 happening by manually selecting Pique to get his ass back in position! This is going to sound horrible but that's piss poor defending man, you need to always pay attention to your defensive shape and make sure your center backs aren't going walkabout. Colo Colo where very aggressive attacking with many players and you hand few players organised to deal with this. So your going to have to pressure them and force mistakes off them to beat them with ease which is the usual method of beating smaller teams is to force them into mistakes.

I've seen this many many ties over the years, I've seen instances like this where people instantly complain these days rather than self analyse what they did wrong. Look at the space Colo Colo had, that's not unrealistic, that is is something i love about PES, the CPU punishes you if you give them space like in real life, you need to shut them down and give them few options. Last year there where times where it was annoying and with the rails and catchup bug it was cheating but i don't think you have any excuses here man.

This is no disrespect to you at all as a great veteran poster here, i just saw this as a perfect example of things I've seen slipping here for years. People blaming the game for their own bad defending. This game isn't faultless at all but we need to stop blaming the game when we make a fault by ourselves.
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You are 100% right, i made lots of mistakes while defending, but that's not the thing i wanted to show. Yes, Colo Colo took advantage of my mistakes and punished me but they did that in an unrealistic way. To me it's completely wrong Colo Colo players that are not that skilled are able to pass with such precision and speed. There is definitely something wrong with their behaviour if you consider i play defensively the same against all the demo teams always using Barca and only in this case i have seen such precision and speed of passing.
 
Mdizzl3 said:
Will that be a break from football games this year or will you be playing something else?
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well this year was already pretty much a break, I haven't played PES2018 since october. I haven't tried FIFA in about... 6 years... i'll give it a try. If what i'm hearing is true then i could get a good Career Mode going with sliders perhaps.
 
Chris Davies said:
At least remove the ability to edit your formation online. (I think it's locked in myClub isn't it? But it shouldn't be allowed at all. Not when you can exploit it so incredibly, childishly fucking easily. It shows just how basic the game is.)
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I think you nailed it. I think even on FIFA there's more flexibility to punish a team that sets up like this online but from my experience online last year, when you get idiots like this it isn't fun at all.

It's a good idea for a solution in order to force some balance but would be a shame for those of us who would like to manually customise our formations sensibly to lose that option because of abusers spoiling it for us.
 
Ameppe said:
You are 100% right, i made lots of mistakes while defending, but that's not the thing i wanted to show. Yes, Colo Colo took advantage of my mistakes and punished me but they did that in an unrealistic way. To me it's completely wrong Colo Colo players that are not that skilled are able to pass with such precision and speed. There is definitely something wrong with their behaviour if you consider i play defensively the same against all the demo teams always using Barca and only in this case i have seen such precision and speed of passing.
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That´s right without a doubt, but the game needs to get its difficulty level from somewhere. There is no other solution for Konami at the moment to transport the danger of playing against Colo Colo from reality to the game.
 
philla said:
That´s right without a doubt, but the game needs to get its difficulty level from somewhere. There is no other solution for Konami at the moment to transport the danger of playing against Colo Colo from reality to the game.
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The matches against Colo Colo are fine enough when there are no unrealistic situations like this.They also scored a lot more goals and i never complained but this one completely kills my enjoyment of the demo.
 
Chris Davies said:
Not tactics, formation editing. Otherwise every game is 6 at the back, 4 up-front.

As far as I'm aware, formation editing is blocked in myClub anyway.
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myclub should be blocked full stop

I like being able to experiment with formations and would never want that taken away

One of my favourite every games was on pes 12 and i was matched up with someone whp had like 95% win record and i parked the bus to the maximum and ended up beating him 1 nil with a drogba solo goal.

He messaged me after calling me anti football but one of my favourite achievements, i had 16% possession or soemthing lol


I have a few ideas for tactics in pes 18 demo, will try a few tonight.
 
Chris Davies said:
Tried 4 games at lunch, 3 times against Barcelona (surprise), 1 against Schalke.

In every game, the opponent pushed the DM(S) into defence, making a 5-6-man wall, and pushed the three up-front to form a straight line along the half-way line. Sometimes there was just one in the middle.

I think @robbieryan showed a screenshot where a similar thing was happening, and I think it was @klashman69 who said "set up your tactics to counter it then, it's like real football".
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I just said counter them if you want to win actually. I didn't talk about realism i talked about just beating guys online who use ridiculous formations.

Realism is down to how the individual wants to play online. If the guy wants to use a stupid formation then it's his choice, Just do what you can to beat him. I didn't say anything about realism at all since it was online and online is really about how you and your opponent plays and what the game allows and dosen't.


Dude. If a real-life team set up like that, you wouldn't have to change your formation. They'd get annihilated.But because passing accuracy is so good (PA1 or above), you'll always be able to pass to someone perfectly (there are no such things as loose balls in this game, the ball is not a separate entity), as long as there isn't an opponent so close to him that your aim will automatically direct to that opponent instead.

Call it what you want, call it fun if you think it's fun, but it is nothing close to football.
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You would actually to make it as easy as possible to destroy them whatever method you use weather its just countering them lie crazy or passing them to death. 5-3-2 should smash guys who do this using the wing back to get the ball forward and just find space with ease or just use possession to dominate all the space in the middle.

I think people should be allowed to make whatever formation they want and it's up to the game to make sure abusive formations don't work well.
 
klashman69 said:
I think people should be allowed to make whatever formation they want and it's up to the game to make sure abusive formations don't work well.
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What fun is there in playing 6-0-4 every game? Even if you can counter it, even if you're a God and you can beat it easily (despite the fact that it's entirely in their favour - they do this shit for a reason, the lock-on laser-passes support it or THEY WOULDN'T DO IT)?

Are you just saying this because you don't play online by any chance? Because if so, you're saying "let everyone be idiots" - meaning guys who actually watch football, like you and I, can't get anything out of playing online.

If you can't make the engine punish someone who does the most basic, childish crap - lock up the formation editor (online) to stop them doing it. Rather than just say "whatever, let idiots be idiots". Then you punish everybody.
 
Chilleverest said:
Is there any other way the AI attack other than spread it out wide and cross/bring it in the dbox ? I seldom see any other way around.
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I've been playing against Sao Paolo a lot and they use the centre just as much. Have you got your containment area set to middle? That seems to help.
 
Ameppe said:
You are 100% right, i made lots of mistakes while defending, but that's not the thing i wanted to show. Yes, Colo Colo took advantage of my mistakes and punished me but they did that in an unrealistic way. To me it's completely wrong Colo Colo players that are not that skilled are able to pass with such precision and speed. There is definitely something wrong with their behaviour if you consider i play defensively the same against all the demo teams always using Barca and only in this case i have seen such precision and speed of passing.
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I actually disagree, not totally but I think your disrespecting Colo Colo and other lesser teams which like to play football in the Americas.

I'm going to use my Jamaica as an example here:


See against rubbish opposition or in general a team which defends badly you can score some lovely passing goals, it becuase there isn't enough pressure on the players to make a mistake. While i agree it would be nice for Colo Colo players to have made a mistake in what they where trying to do however Jamaica who on the game will barely be a 2 star team who i tell you are worse technically than Colo Colo could possibly pull that off just about if given so much space on a 5 against 3 situation.

Here's a lovely team goal from bang average Blackburn


My honest opinion is teams above 2 stars if given huge space can perform good passing moves if they are set to play possession football like Colo Colo are, put them under even just standard pressure then should make them screw up without too much trouble.
 
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