PES 2019 Demo Impressions Thread
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How it was with demo tweaker in last years when we had PES Demo on PC? What was the way to change the match time? I know that on FIFA we have cl.ini textual fine we need to edit and change the time value, but I can't remember tweaking Pro Evo demo. And no, I'm not wriitng about Jenkey's way of demo tweaking 
Everyone knows how it ended up.
BTW - Shouldn't we open a PES 2019 more PC related thread?
Everyone knows how it ended up.BTW - Shouldn't we open a PES 2019 more PC related thread?
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Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
How it was with demo tweaker in last years when we had PES Demo on PC? What was the way to change the match time? I know that on FIFA we have cl.ini textual fine we need to edit and change the time value, but I can't remember tweaking Pro Evo demo. And no, I'm not wriitng about Jenkey's way of demo tweaking
Hard to tell since Demos on PC were only released AFTER the full game was already out. So no one really bothered getting a demo or unlocking it or making time extenders or whatever.
its999maggle
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Headers maybe.What in the... w-wait, is that U-Umtiti?! W...
darkoj2007
Premier League
is demo out on us psn?
Chilleverest
League 1
- 6 June 2018
Read somewhere that its going to be released around 1900 CET. Absolutely absurd this steam. I have a ps4 but i'd rather save my data and play it on pc, especially when online's free.
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Lots of talk now about people "expecting too much" and "it's only a game". It is only a game - and this is a site dedicated to it. Should we just delete the internet and agree never to criticise a game ever again because after all, they're just games? (Rhetorical question and yet I fear a few would say "yes"...)
As for "expecting too much"... What? Nobody's saying "a supercomputer should generate the AI and then we all access it via the cloud". What I'm seeing is "PA1 is too assisted" (turn down AI assistance), "the AI ruins the game by playing instant first-touch passes a lot" (slow decision-making down a tad)... Not "make real life on a disc".
However... I think the bigger point is that - as I've been saying for a while - Konami have chosen their direction, and it's as valid as any. A match is only 10 mins long or so, and you can only recreate so much - their vision is to create as many "highlights" as possible, in my opinion (meaning passes simply have to be super-accurate to create chances). I'm not a huge fan of the alternative either, to be honest (in the other game, I feel like a lot of chances are created just because defending is unnecessarily complicated and occasionally impossible).
There is no "right" and "wrong". When you're compressing 90 minutes into 10 minutes, you just can't make everything hyper-realistic or 90% of your matches would be 0-0. Whether you like one approach or another is simply preference.
Out of interest...
Do we think there's a split between people who want that classic PES gameplay (which this demo delivers to a degree, and I totally understand why people love it) - and people who are maybe hoping the gameplay would have evolved into something more "serious", more "simulatory" at this point in time?
As for "expecting too much"... What? Nobody's saying "a supercomputer should generate the AI and then we all access it via the cloud". What I'm seeing is "PA1 is too assisted" (turn down AI assistance), "the AI ruins the game by playing instant first-touch passes a lot" (slow decision-making down a tad)... Not "make real life on a disc".
However... I think the bigger point is that - as I've been saying for a while - Konami have chosen their direction, and it's as valid as any. A match is only 10 mins long or so, and you can only recreate so much - their vision is to create as many "highlights" as possible, in my opinion (meaning passes simply have to be super-accurate to create chances). I'm not a huge fan of the alternative either, to be honest (in the other game, I feel like a lot of chances are created just because defending is unnecessarily complicated and occasionally impossible).
There is no "right" and "wrong". When you're compressing 90 minutes into 10 minutes, you just can't make everything hyper-realistic or 90% of your matches would be 0-0. Whether you like one approach or another is simply preference.
Out of interest...
Do we think there's a split between people who want that classic PES gameplay (which this demo delivers to a degree, and I totally understand why people love it) - and people who are maybe hoping the gameplay would have evolved into something more "serious", more "simulatory" at this point in time?
That's what I'm saying. The last PES demo we had (proper demo that was released before the full game was ready to play) was in 2013, I believe. I can't remember how long it took to have a tweaker released. I hope it won't take long in case of Pro 19 demo
I wonder whether KONAMI have found a solution against braking into game files to stop anyone from unlocking database content (teams) in the demo. Hopefully nobody gonna play with it again as it was the main reason why we didn't have demo on PC year after year since 2013.
Dr Force
Golden Boot Winner
Back to sliders.....everyone wins
cowden_harley
MOANING PRICK
Christ the non engaging goalkeeper is doing my head in
Some of you guys seem to have some ridiculously high standards?Don't get me wrong though, by no means I'm saying this game is perfect. Nonetheless I'm absolutely loving the demo and I'm not that bothered by some of the annoyances some of you seem to have.
Getting penalties or the feeling of a slight difference in controlling Messi or a substitute from Colo-Colo is really a "high standard" in your eyes?
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
That's what I'm saying. The last PES demo we had (proper demo that was released before the full game was ready to play) was in 2013, I believe. I can't remember how long it took to have a tweaker released. I hope it won't take long in case of Pro 19 demo
I wonder whether KONAMI have found a solution against braking into game files to stop anyone from unlocking database content (teams) in the demo. Hopefully nobody gonna play with it again as it was the main reason why we didn't have demo on PC year after year since 2013.
A Time Extender wouldn't cause any troubles. I doubt Konami would punish PC players again next year just because of that.
Anyways... I think we'll have to wait 4-5 hours more until Demo hits Steam.
Definitely. I remember I created a poll last year about Sliders, and to this day I still can't believe how some people resist them. Like Sliders were going to damage them. It just speaks about how selfish some can be.
This is one of those things where I'll usually end up tweaking it myself for each keeper (as I play them in Master League etc.). It's an annoying one to have to change but the whole 'defensive goalkeeper' player style that Konami assign to most keepers means they just sit on their line no matter what. If you replicate Neuer's attributes for player style and com-style then the keepers come off their line a lot more.
Super annoying to change it manually but it definitely is worth the fix - I can't imagine it being all that tough for Konami to change across the board either.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
Well, this here is actually misinformation,fake news. There is actually a huge difference between controlling Messi and a Colo Colo player. Anyone saying otherwise is only pushing their attitude to complain no matter what.
Sorry, but you can't say such things, it's like you are treating people that actually see a difference like idiots.
Could be the case.
But still I am able to like this demo, even with it´s flaws. No, it´s nothing like the older PES games. I´ve been playing PES sinds ISS on PSX. I even bought all the Winning Eleven parts, because I wanted to play the game a little earlier that way. WE was different from PES, I liked WE more, it was slower, but maybe that was my imagination hahaha.
In my mind PES back in the day was way more realistic then it is now. But I blame it on my age. I´m older now and I have a family. I don´t play much these days and in the PS2 erea PES was THE game if you wanted a sim. I believed back then that I was playing a sim. It´s not a sim anymore, but I´m not sure if it ever was. PES/WE was a part of my live in the PS2 erea. I went to tournaments, played for money, trained to be the best and I believed I was the best. Now I'm just having fun playing a game with friends. I like some things I see and I hate some things I see when playing PES these days.
So yeah, maybe my standards are lower now when it comes to PES. I'm happy that in my day, PES was the bomb and everybody loved the game. When a new version landed, we all went beserk. We sucked big time and really needed to master the game all over again. It took months. That was PES for me, but it's not like that anymore. And I fine with that to be honest. But I understand that it's not the case for many others.
PES 2019, the demo for that matter is quit a good game to me. I'm sure the flaws will appear soon, but I do believe it's a better game than the last couple of versions.
robbieryan
I dream of occasional fanzine mentions
i'm somewhere in between, i never necessarily hoped that the gameplay evolved into something more serious, but I did perhaps think that Konami would have improved upon the elements of gameplay that seem exploitative. Certain aspects of the gameplay improves year on year, but never the bits that to me, seem obviously poor. Being able to one touch pass your way from goalkeeper to scoring in about 5 passes, or tactics allowing a user to be able to not have any midfield whatsoever without any consequences.... as you say it's done deliberately and i guess i'll just have to accept it's what most people want. such a shame
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
It really gets on my nerves when people say stuff like "it's just a game" or "if you want realistic football go play outside". Those are overstatements. We know that. That doesn't mean we can't ask or expect something better. Something more.
When people say that, it brings out the worst in me.
OH and YES... to your last question. There's definitely a split there.
robbieryan
I dream of occasional fanzine mentions
the worst thing is, by the time you realise he's not going to move, and bring him out yourself, you don't have a chance of affecting the outcome, it's a goal
Gunslinger
Premier League
- 5 September 2016
Yep. And a lot of us are too old to go "play outside" now. Did all that back in the 70s and 80s with jumpers on the ground and in the pouring rain on a muddy field. That's why many of us enjoy footie games. Sad, but true.
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- 16 July 2004
- LUFC O.K.
OK Chuny, instead of saying people are selfish,lets say everyone is 100% behind sliders and they want them,and there is a demand for them in game.
Now what?
"If you want realistic football go play outside"?
Hahaha, it has to be someone with limited imagination.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
I think keepers don't come out because if they did, there would be a lot of chipped balls ending up in easy goals.
The way I see it, the only fix for that would be to make chipped balls a lot harder to perform OR increase the catching up from defenders (which is already there unfortunately, because it's unrealistic).
The way I see it, the only fix for that would be to make chipped balls a lot harder to perform OR increase the catching up from defenders (which is already there unfortunately, because it's unrealistic).
aussiepesfan
Champions League
- 17 April 2002
Elscorpiones lol: https://twitter.com/MirkoGaleano1/status/1027009718810812417?s=19
Sovereign Hope
Championship
- 8 August 2017
Applied some custom tactic for both team. Since its a rival match, I want to make the ai as aggressive as possible. Increased def line, front line pressure, more compact shape.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
Chris the answer is easy i guess, frustration comes from that we saw certain game aspects delivered much better a decade ago.
Just to mention a few:
- shooting variation
- pass variation
- unpredictability of the game
- non cheating cpu
- heavy stat impact
- more realistic fouls system
- better tactical system
- better adaptive ai from the cpu
- better injury and fatigue system
Of course there are improvements:
- graphics
- presentation
- online (i guess, dont play it but i hope its better than PES6 one half you host one half the opp. method)
- dribbling
- licences
- content
- better set piece system
- better goalies
And the former list ..its not that improving those areas are neglected but those areas were completely removed and started from scratch, not following the ideas and the fundation that was made 10-20 yrs ago.
Its clear New PES wants nothing with its predecessor even if some or many people within Konami would want as well.
The decision making and the investment is not coming from below. (Just see what happened to MG Survive...) AAA titles, especially yearly AAA titles are catered towards the bigger profit with the least investment method. Im pretty sure we got content due to leaving behind the CL licence only.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
online in a nutshell
not that hard to defend against though. try 'swarm the box' if they use that, keep your shape and counter.
Some guy did that against me and had to change at half time.
Use your tactics man!!! Its the lifeblood of PES.
I have no issues with people doing this as long as you can counter it.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
If the demand was that high, how could they overlook the need to implement it for the next version?.
And even if they didn't do it, at least we would have a stronger voice.
When I sent the EVO-WEB link to the poll I created last year to Adam, you know what he said?. He told me that 100 votes weren't enough, he thought Evo-Web was louder "these days". And about 20% disagreed about Sliders.
So that's it. That tiny 20% was enough for him to take it and hold on to it and say "not everybody want sliders".
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
True.
Plus one fact doesn't take the other one away. I do play football myself every at 9PM every thursday and even though it's 6 VS 6 and it's with friends, we all take it very seriously. And I also play local tournaments on the weekends.
So just because I do play real football, and consider myself quite good at it too, doesn't mean I can't ask for or expect a better outcome from PES. Because they have the resources (let's stop saying they are a small company, please), they have the time. They just need the focus, the determination and the right people to say "THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT".
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- 16 July 2004
- LUFC O.K.
So the whole concept was entirely dependant on Evo Web input then according to Adams response?
I think its called polite dismissal.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Nice, tbh the matches are just too short for me to test tactics yet and also the game has really changed massively, i mean so much because of the physics enhancements i still need to learn more about the game.
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