PES 2019 Demo Impressions Thread

[RockyJJP]

After playing for about 2 hours last night. Simply put;

it’s an improvement over Pes2018, like PES2018 was over PES2017. (PES2019 Is more of an improvement over PES2018, than PES 2018 was over PES2017)



+ The net physics, oh my word, the look amazing, I’ve been waiting since PES2011 for decent net physics on a Pes game. I am so happy, it just ties the whole game together, makes everything seem more authentic. Best nets since Football Kingdom, that's saying something, especially for me

+ Shooting, looks lovely and varied, dipping, rising, swirling, and the shooting animations, all improved - however may be too accurate and powerful at times. but def. a positive

+Graphics, Wow it’s gorgeous, LOD is amazing in every camera angle, grass is legit too. PES 2019 in 4K HDR is a sight to behold.

+ Team Styles, don’t play the seam way, at least what I’ve seen, each team I’ve played has attacked me in varied ways.

+Freedom, the ball is less on rails as I’ve ever seen, compared to PES2018 which felt like so much scripting was involved in players shooting or getting to the ball, it seems so unattached and random. I love this


I won’t do a great deal of negatives, as we can’t judge negatives from 5min friendlies and no season mode.


- GK don’t rush out at attacking players

- PA1 can be slightly too assisted for my liking


As a PES fan, I am happy, I am excited.

 

[hitmanuk]

What's advanced shooting like this year? I could never quite get onto it

only had one shot in a quick game so can't judge really. I'll try more later. I'll expect that ill go back to manual and keep on PA1

 

[aussiepesfan]

When goals like these are rare, and even in Pes 2018 they were rare, it's cool to make a video about it, in this case because of the way the ball bounces on the post and the ground too. I remember that people tore Fifa apart because long range shots especially online were OP, they were like a cheat, 70% ot the time they were in and the keeper could do nothing to save them.

Anyway, you said you played on Superstar, but was it on manual passing or PA1? I'm asking because probably there is an element of assistance that makes the game feel faster because of the passing speed.

..wondering if game camera view also is affecting the speed.. maybe. Generally the further you zoom out, the slower the game appears. I play pretty close, ie. 5-7 zoom, 8 H, 10 A... and it pretty spot on for me. Its hard to tell if its slower than 18.. I reckon slightly slower than 18 on default speed (im lazy to test it out properly by interchanging both versions), but it definitely feels heavier (movement and ball physics) than 18.

Someone already mentioned this, but how +++ is the quick sub. Jeez we needed this. Big difference in the flow of the game.

 

[Goldstone]

This is my biggest complaint with the demo more than anything, why did they go with this match length after giving us 10 min demos for the last 3 years?

Agreed, it's highly irritating. Can barely get a shot off in most games as I favour a slow methodical style of play.
For Christ's sake even a 7 or 8 minute game would of been fair, 5 is massive overkill from Konami, absolutely no need for it when we've always had 10 minute demo's. I don't really play online so the 10 minute games on there don't interest me.

 

[Ameppe]

One thing which is difficult to understand is the dichotomy of difference of opinion on the game where we have all the criticism on the forum in comparison to the video attached above where its essentially proclaimed the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Like everything on internet when there are such extreme views most of the times truth is in the middle. Pes 2019, or this demo, isn't a masterpiece but isn't even trash, "one of the worst sports game ever". It's a good game with flaws. Some can still enjoy it and accept these flaws, others are too fed up with years of waiting for a great game that exaggerate every single thing.

 

[PeterC10]

Honestly the foundation of the game is all there, if they focused more on the AI I really think it could be a brilliant game.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Agreed, it's highly irritating. Can barely get a shot off in most games as I favour a slow methodical style of play.
For Christ's sake even a 7 or 8 minute game would of been fair, 5 is massive overkill from Konami, absolutely no need for it when we've always had 10 minute demo's. I don't really play online so the 10 minute games on there don't interest me.

Thats exactly why its there to play rather online.

 

[robbieryan]

one thing about passing actually, it does seem like if you hit a L1+X pass then then there is much more chance of it going astray, i don't use the one two that often but i know it's a online/pesleague tactic so i wonder if that's been deliberately done to nerf that slightly.

anyway, moved onto PA0 for good now, really beautiful passing game. I do think I will get the game this year, but the AI is still kinda the same old same old and we already know that the usual bugbears in ML wont be sorted so it will be like playing a better looking refined PES2017 for me (i'm not being derogatory, i didnt play much 2018) which is great because i got a good few ML seasons out of that game.

 

[digimon]

Sorry mate, but I have to say 2019 has made quite a big leap compared to 2018. Im feeling it, seeing it, and hearing it... the difference and improvement compared to 2018 is huge. Compared with 2018 to 2017 and 2017 to 2016, there is a bigger leap this time round for sure.

In my opinion there were far more changes from 2017 to 2018. This one you can play the exact same way as 2018. Play 1-2 passes up and down the pitch. It's ridiculous and annoying. Wrong foot doesnt matter. Passing and shooting is soo easy. Glik (cb for monaco) has the same passing long and short ability as Busquets

 

[Mdizzl3]

I'll definitely be giving a go; I played manual on PES for many a year but I ended up playing FIFA more for thr last few years and got used to having passing assistance on (with sliders to reduce speed and accuracy). Manual is definitely rewarding once you get to grips with it.

Probably best going with manual and getting to grips with it then. If PA1 is too much assasitanc for youth at will never change.

Are you enjoying the demo? I'm transferring from FIFA this year I've had their games since 16. I was a big PES player from PES 2 to PES 6 though, hope this game can drag me back.

I really liked PES 2018 having bought it last month to try out.

 

[Goldstone]

Thats exactly why its there to play rather online.

Exactly, shafting the offline player as per and forcing you online where the money is. No thanks!

 

[Ameppe]

Honestly the foundation of the game is all there, if they focused more on the AI I really think it could be a brilliant game.

True, but we have been saying this for ages. Every year the Pes games lack something that really could make them go from good games to great games.

 

[Chris Davies]

In my opinion there were far more changes from 2017 to 2018.

I agree - but I think those changes from 2017 to 2018 were for the worse.

PES is lauded for teams playing like they do in reality and every goal being different - in 2018, that individuality was suddenly gone and they all started using the same patterns of play and hitting the same perfect chipped through-balls game after game. Every team became a 10-year-old myClub player.

What kept me playing PES 2017 was that every game was at least different, even though there were some games where the AI wheeled all the cheats out to stop you winning because of a team rating or "team spirit" difference (I've uploaded videos of my players just freezing up etc.).

This demo doesn't seem worse to me than 2018. Less has changed - but it seems like they're all good changes. My only issue is that there's just not enough that's changed - more specifically, the AI still plays pinball.

In other words:

Honestly the foundation of the game is all there, if they focused more on the AI I really think it could be a brilliant game.

100% agree.

My fear is that, in the current gaming climate, that will never happen - and we'll be left modding the game to death for a year to try and make it better, when we don't have the power to change it enough. (Coughsliderscough)

 

[aussiepesfan]

No time to read all of your impressions, I'll do so tomorrow.
I played 4 games so far (5 mins are way too less).

Been playing a lot of PES 2018 lately which I enjoyed quite much.
But this thing is wow!
Looks and feels way better.
Animations are smooth, ball physics are great, visuals are fine.
Weight of the players is the best thing ever!
When you sprint and move your stick directly to a 90 degree direction the player makes a bow and doesn't change direction immediately.
Pace is spot on!
My settings: professional, full manual, wide cam 0,7,9.
This game feels great, saying it's just like PES 2018 is beyond me, cause it's no way like last year, except for a few basic things.

Only thing I didn't like is FKs being way too easy. I aimed really bad and expected the ball not to hit the net but it did.

And I have a few concerns:
- pace and weight of the players is spot on!
But I can see those Hardcore online league playing progamers start whining about that, wanting it more fluid, faster and light weighted. So I kinda doubt that it stays that way for long.

- tried the PS4 New Zealand demo.
Game is fluid but replays and a few cutscenes seemed to have some tiny micro stuttering. Are they putting the PS4 to their limits? This reminds me of the time PES 2014 came out and brought PS3 to its limits and they patched it down.
I hope they won't fuck anything up by that.
Can't wait for the PC demo...

I really do enjoy this game, but 5 mins are ugly to play.

Wow, pretty much sums up my feelings towards the game, .. big big difference from pes18 which ive played quite regularly up until about a week ago.
-Biggest negative so far are the OP freekicks. This should only be the case with a very very few number of free kick specialist. But not to the point where you can score with you eyes shut. Rather than making keepers better defending them, they really need to up the SHOT SENSITIVITY... where the bar fill up is very very sensitive on the not so good players and less so on the great fk takers. Similarly with Shots on goal.. still needs to be more sensitive, to heighten the number of ballooned shots over the bar...

- one other negative, and this has been around for years, but like someone said previously (I think it was Chris), the attacking AI needs to be smarter.. more direct when in on goal... in stead of passing backwards and ruining momentum, the ai needs to get in on goal and take the shot... that's the smart realistic thing to do. But again, these are things that can be improved on a non 100% perfect game. Great thing is, KONAMI have listened and improved many aspects, and now truly have an amazing base of a game to continue improving. Finally we have a game that looks (player physics/animations and palette) as good as it feels (weight and response) with ever improving ball physics (the deflections, particularly speed and spin more correctly matching scenario). Just hope to god it doesn't change for the worse in the retail version ..only for the better. Upping things like midfield congestion/battles, keeper and defence positioning, attacking AI and furthering shooting variations (including miss hits) and bad touches, is ultimately what im hoping will improve over the coming retail version + patches.

 

[Flame]

One thing which is difficult to understand is the dichotomy of difference of opinion on the game where we have all the criticism on the forum in comparison to the video attached above where its essentially proclaimed the greatest thing since sliced bread.

lol this guy, I appreciate him always making videos about pes and his optimism
but come on, he is just too optimistic that he praise this game out of the world
and hes just too biased that there are no down side of the game, watched other videos from him about his thought on fifa
he just said like everything is wrong in fifa while pes has nearly no problem

 

[PeterC10]

True, but we have been saying this for ages. Every year the Pes games lack something that really could make them go from good games to great games.

I know, but I can't remember a PES in recent games where controlling the player was so good, if that makes sense. Also really the AI doesn't need tweaks, it needs a big overhaul which is no small job and it also seems like player stats make little difference again this year so really its two fundamental areas which need looking at.

 

[PeterC10]

I agree - but I think those changes from 2017 to 2018 were for the worse.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[vxcmplx]

Finally a clean buildup, non scrappy manual online goal:

 

[digimon]

I know, but I can't remember a PES in recent games where controlling the player was so good, if that makes sense. Also really the AI doesn't need tweaks, it needs a big overhaul which is no small job and it also seems like player stats make little difference again this year so really its two fundamental areas which need looking at.

My absolute biggest issue with PES since 2013. Why is it every player left foot or right foot can play the perfect through balls and shoot how ever they want? When did that become acceptable

 

[Bond!JamesBond!]

there's no players coming together, very little shooting variety, with not enough animations and AI intelligence for football situations. this MG5 game engine is terrible for a sports game. i see no overall improvement from 2017. still sluggish control and stiff looking movement in action. shots are still to accurate, slide tackles are simplistic, didn't see a foul unless you slide.

 

[Ameppe]

I hope someone quickly unlocks the Pc demo, would like to know how many fouls there are in a 10 minute match and if fatigue is more noticeable when playing longer matches.

 

[PRO_TOO]

so, after some matches last night (about 20-30 / full manual / prof. and top player / tactics off), my early impressions:
+ AI plays varied and more human like (not seen this for years)
+ BALL PHYSICS. that swirl. that bouncing. that freedom.
+ GFX is so good. looks really nice in 55" 4K HDR. DAT lighting!!
+ Pace of the game. so much better (cause slower) i could leave it at 0
+ PA0. it feels kinda easier but i have to play more.
+ FOULS. i had like 2-4 every match (a lot in air battles. nice.)
+ TEAM STYLE's differ (play against BARCA then against COLO)

- keepers looking floaty sometimes
- AI sometimes too dumb when varying attacks
- AI difficulty seems towned down

just a few quick points... need to play a lot more.
besides the couple of points i mentioned, what really is a huge plus to me, is that the black switching screen/cut before throw ins is gone! its gone! ok, it happens from time to time. but its basically gone. and this simple thing really adds so much to the flow of the game! moving the player at the side line is nice too.
there is so much more minor details... its really nice.
just my 2 cents... so you see im still alive! overall, after these few games, in this short game time, i'm pleasantly surprised! really.

edit: and i'm pretty sure its not only placebo cause its new. i played some matches in 2018 the last couple of weeks. so i can compare quiet good. same time i'm sure a lot of (bad) stuff will reveal over time. but thats the way.
next thing i'm interessted in, is to see what keeps and what gets lost when the retail hits stores and the day one patch is applied!

a lot of guys here wrote their impressions already (wich are similar to mine) and i can agree with a lot of fellas like @chiefrocka4real.
@Chris Davies sure i read your impressions. kinda "sad" you feel that way but hey... opinions. a lot of stuff you mentioned i could not find myself in the game. hm.
@PES_Danielrh : it really is better! and the best PES2019 i ever played!

Plus, I can back up all the stuff I said with video evidence!

 

[fregen]

Just played a manual match online and boy, it's beautiful! And it does feel like it's not completely manual, Lucas Lima felt much better when passing than Melo.

 

[aussiepesfan]

You lost me when you said "small difference from 2018 to 2017", honestly. You can't be serious.
PS: not saying 2018 is perfect at all, I may debate the opposite. But huge difference from 2017, in almost everything.

I don't think I said "small difference from 18 to 17".. did I?? I couldn't find where I said this. Anyways, I agree that the difference between 18 and 17 was big. But, I think the difference (in terms of what Konami positively added to the game) between 19 from 18 is greater .. for sure. The list of improvements (if you wrote one up) Konami have worked on since the last version is way more comprehensive.

 

[Han]

I did not read everything in this topic, but can somebody tell me if the demo will come out at steam or just on the PC?

 

[chiefrocka4real]

From my 4 games last night, I forgot to mention that in some of them AI played quite agressive.
AI slided my players down and got two yellow cards in one match. For a 5 minute game, amount of fouls were really right.
But I forgot which team AI played and how the ref looked...I guess it was that asian guy...so let´s watch out for him...maybe he´s one of the more stricter (increase of strict is stricter, isn´t it?) guys.

Can´t imagine what a 20 mins game must feel like in this build.

The thing is though that MyClub is played on 0 so the arcady crybabies will start spamming them again to make it faster and lighter as is already happening sadly on social media like someone mentioned.
That shows that the guys here who say that it's indeed slower and heavier are probably right.
And i really hope it will stay like this and Konami won't listen to them for once.
They should find another solution or something for these people like let them play online on +1 or +2 and with the PA3 bullshit that they already have and it's all good.No need to fuck up 0 speed every year and make it less realistic again.
They already fuck up with PA1 more than it should so at least leave the pace and heaviness alone.

I agree. I really see people complaining about speed (and weight) and I´m so scared KONAMI will listen and will give us a different full release or patch it down. To me, the pace and weight is just perfect.
I don´t understand how people think it´s too fast. Everyone really should provide their settings...there must be a difference on cam view or PA or something.
Why not adding a speed setting for online matches? A +1 player would meet +1 players only.
On the other hand...is it good to make so many filters and separations?

Think the only way to enjoy it is to play PA0, yes that means that passing stats don't come into play, but since they are watered down to sh*t anyway you may as well have the freedom to pass it wherever you want it to go. PES's of old always had a learning curve, not so much these days, but if anyone wants enjoyment and satisfaction out of creating nice passing plays then PA0 is the only way to get that I feel...

I don´t give a damn about anything beyond PA0. I simply can´t go back...never ever.
"Free as a bird" I don´t care about all that
I also don´t know whether passing stats matter on manual, but to be honest, I don´t care about that either.
The freedom in passing, PA0 is providing, feels very well. In fact, in many situations PA0 is even an advantage (if you master it) against someone playing with pass assistance, as he´ll be always be bound to the rails of the game, whereas on PA0 you can choose your space to pass into, on your own.
Actually I think stats are very important...it´s quite a dilemma with passing stats on PA0.
But even passes from Iniesta or Özil get intercepted in real life.
Sure, if you have PA activated and rely on stats when passing with one of those guys, you probably just have to aim slightly in the wanted direction and the ball is gonna find it´s target, which should work better with those guys, as with...I don´t know....Mandzukic or someone.
On PA0 you have to aim for yourself, no matter what player you´re switched on. I find it really hard to put stats in here...but to be honest, I can do without stats in this section.

And...one of the biggest reasons for me is the cosmetic thing and I know I have mentioned it so many times:
On manual passing the game looks so much more organic as not every pass goes directly to the next players feet.
Sure, it does with the AI...but there I am more concentrated with my players trying to intercept and steal the ball away, so I don´t notice it here that much.

I'll definitely be giving a go; I played manual on PES for many a year but I ended up playing FIFA more for thr last few years and got used to having passing assistance on (with sliders to reduce speed and accuracy). Manual is definitely rewarding once you get to grips with it.

Absolutely! It is rewarding and even narrow missed shots are fun.

 

[Cyrax77]

All the different opinions are not only because Konami can’t make a great soccergame anymore.

It’s a blast to hear people say the game is too simple. They beat the CPU with a 5 goal difference at superstar in a demo with only five minutes playtime. Or hear people say that the game is too fast at default. Come on, you just don’t want to like this game, no matter what.

Yes, the demo has flaws. I like it but I don’t like everything about it. It still has old flaws and the game is not the new messiah or antything like it. The demo is better than I expected yesterday.

It’s is not possible for Konami to be king once again. Did anyone check twitter? They all scream the game is too slow, on the other hand people say it’s too fast. The old PES fans esperately want the old games of the PS2 area back and the new fans want a fast action packed soccergame like it’s NHL or something. There is just no way that Konami (or EA for that matter) will be able to satisfy every footiegame lover in the world. Konami wants to sell the game, PES is no longer that niche soccergame for the real football fan with an easy to play hard to master concept. And it will never be that game ever again. Times have changed.



You get a game in between, but they can’t make the game perfect for both sides. That doesn’t mean that Konami is not to blame for anything. It’s not that hard to make it possible for unassisted players to play unassisted players online. Konami needs to learn that online is a big thing these times. It had been for a decade or so, but Konami does not understand that. We want the freedom to choose, who we play against and how we do that. Only 4 stars teams or lower. Unassisted only ect.ect.

Personally, I love the demo. But I accept that PES is not the PES it was in the PS2 erea because I understand why Konami can’t do that anymore. It’s all about licenses and online play.

 

[tomj]

From my 4 games last night, I forgot to mention that in some of them AI played quite agressive. AI slided my players down and got two yellow cards in one match. For a 5 minute game, amount of fouls were really right.

Played against Monaco as Liverpool and Falcao slid and fouled my keeper twice - second one was a yellow card but he seriously seemed to have a vendetta against Karius.

 

[no.7brand]

I did not read everything in this topic, but can somebody tell me if the demo will come out at steam or just on the PC?

Hey mate Steam means Pc. its like the psn store for PS4. It will come out in like 1 hour or so

 

[philla]

As i can start testing the demo tonight for the first time, i am very curious what people say about the difficulty level. The few ones that mentioned it all talked about an easier experience on superstar. I assume this is down to the "humanized" AI, as PES2018´s (very welcome) challenge was to handle the exaggerated lofted through balls.

Also i hope the option to switch up to "legendary" is still present if superstar turns out to be as laughable easy as in PES2017.

So do you concede regularly against superstar CPU and are they a threat in front of the goal?