You said it yourself Deco. All we can do is give feedback hoping they listen. That's why we're trying to make more noise, because as you've seen already, even with some noise and proof we're told not enough. It gets tiring you know. We all want the best for PES in our own ways. But what some of us "critics" want are really very basic stuff that were already available in PES and removed, and no one knows why.Matt stop the well said nonsense when clearly you don't agree with a word that I've said .. . ..I speak from the heart I've no other agenda. .I don't come on here to get other peoples backs up . . I've no reason to do that, but I'm not blinded by love for Pes. ..Pes 2017 was a great game when they finished tinkering with it and I still play it. .it's not your cup of tea and thats obvious and will never be unless sliders came on board. .you do a great job trying to figure out how to improve the game and you put a lot of time into it . .well done . . problems will always exist in Pes . .one improvement will lead to another fault. .I've nothing against you or anybody else who enjoys finding faults in the hope of finding solutions . .you can't ignore the fact that a lot of people are enjoying the game even with it's faults which they are aware of .. we can all find faults with anything in life and highlight them. . .it's a video game which will always have faults .. why try fix something which you know can never be perfect. . every year it's the same. . if they had this or that it would be great . .you have to take the game for what it is and find enjoyment in it. . if not move on. . you're talking as if we're all so dumb that the problems elude us . .they don't. ..all we can do is give feedback and hope things improve . .konami know this ..it's part of the charade . .think about it . . if they released a perfect game they wouldn't be able to take it any further . .I'm not part of any clique on this site and could be banned but I'll still hold firm in what I believe . .I've supported Pes since International Superstar soccer when I was laughed at for not playing Fifa. ..I could easily go over to Fifa sites and tear them apart but I don't . .no reason to . .I just happen to believe that Pes is a better game . .I'm just fed up with the bad press Pes gets all the time. . .If it bothered me the way it bothers other people I wouldn't play it . .that's all I've to say.
Instead of building on all the past elements that obviously worked great and got all of us onboard, they slowly removed and replaced stuff that didn't need go. Like, who asked for fouls to disappear when they worked flawlessly? Whatever happened to offsides? They're nonexistent now. Whoever asked to take out transfer frequency this year? Why'd the SBs become so passive this year when we never had this issue before (apart from 2011, and that was patched!). Why does the passing stat not matter now? Remember we dropped it down to 40 and it made no difference! Whoever asked to remove player stats that worked perfectly, like acceleration, shot technique, response, teamwork, etc? Why was team spirit introduced when it doesn't work as well as, teamwork, the stat we already had that did work? All these and more are just mind boggling man.
There was a feature in PES2010 ML that made that mode very alive for me, and I know you love ML so you can't disagree with me here . The loyalty and happiness feature. It affected player's performance if he was unhappy! He'd want to leave or not renew contract etc. I once sold my keeper who was one of my best assets for a lot of money, and he had high loyalty and didn't want to go. Right after selling him some of my very loyal players became extremely unhappy of what I did and requested transfers! They felt threatened because loyalty meant nothing to me when money was thrown on the table It was an awesome experience that made ML feel alive for me. And for some odd reason, as per usual with Konami, that vanished from future iterations of PES
Another example from PS2 PES ML, training players between games caused fatigue, which in turn leads to increased risk of injury, so you had to be very careful. Pushing them too hard and building up fatigue, the higher it was, the bigger the injury and the longer the recovery period. I once did a stupid mistake and overtrained/overplayed a star player who got a massive injury and was out for almost a year and a half! And that was someone I spent a lot of time and money to get. Lmao. Down the bin, everything.
Tl;dr, We're not really asking for the impossible here. We just want old elements/features in PES to return.
P.s. I really miss the pure simplicity of arrows that managers use irl to dictate what their team does, instead of all this complicated, convoluted stuff we have now, that don't even work properly
And believe me, I'm doing my best to enjoy PES 2018. Many positives in it and with a little patching and tweaking, it can be the best.
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