PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

I am always trying to stay far away from the sh*tstorm, but this year the eye of it is right in the god damn middle.
One bar assistance has always been insanely restrictive and automatic, when people are claiming otherwise on playtests, etc. I am always laughing my ass off. PES doesn't have the proper assistance levels. Its like this:
3 Bar basically, AIvsAI
2 Bar AI(am I even playing)vsAI
1 Bar Assisted as fuck!!!
Manual - playable and enjoyable and you are seeing much more of the game, than with assisted. Shooting is the same, you are playing on either manual, or the game will feel fast, insanely end to end and what not.
The only problem that people should focus on, is the damn defense. This is probably the worst PES I've ever seen defensively(Superstar). I will wait for the 6 star difficulty in the full release, but god damn the little men on the pitch are braindead.
Yes, chip shots are kinda cheesy, but they are meant for that... if they tone it down, we have no fuckin idea how exactly they are going to do it, maybe the will break ti, or worse, they will break other things while "fixing" it.

Keepers being floaty, boys these are the best keepers in the history of the franchise, they are easily rivaling PES 5/6. They are far from perfect, some may say they are kinda "scripted", but every aspect of the game is somewhat scripted, the keepers are doing great and we should appreciate the progress in this area.

Fouls, I never had issues with fouls on 2017, I mean, I am always being fouled If the A.I. is completely unable to stop me from advancing in, I can easily make the A.I. foul me. 2-4 Fouls per game, most games.

Now Penalties, now that is something rare. Maybe I've been give no more than 5-6 penalties through out my time with 2017 and my time is by no means a lot, roughly 150 hours tops.

I also do not like how the game was made to be so open and spacey, but I can see why they did it. People have been complaining for ages that they can't score and that their games are 0:0 or low scoring. If we can't "fix" this retarded defensive A.I. with deep tactical changes, then I don't know what to think of 2018. Yes, I will wait for the 6 star difficulty, but I really don't see why they would hide something in their, but hey who knows, KONAMI are known for making retarded decisions, maybe this is just one of those and they game will play different on 6 stars, defensively.
 
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This thread reads exactly like the ones from the past 9 years, wow. One could code a bot to post here based on the thousands of posts during those years and most people wouldn't notice the difference :P

Shooting looks fucked. The rest of the game looks quite nice, but yet to try it.
 
superleeds1 said:
Glad its the last time Your mentioning shooting, as Your 2 or 3 posts a day in the negative collectively equal spamming.
And You don't want to fall foul of that.
If its an immersion breaker ( a very overused cliche ),then You may wish to move on to other things.
Probably You will start on the FIFA thread next, Oh wait a minute You already have, and guess what,same negatives.
Dont overcook it. :COP:
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yes that's fair Super Leeds, won't say anything about shooting again!!

thanks for advice :)
 
Also I found weaker teams harder to beat than stronger teams since weaker teams like to stay back. So this will be another PES which playing against Sunderland will be a nightmare. I bet in PES 2018, I would easily be able to beat Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool 8-0 whereas against Sunderland lose 2-0 with Sunderland 95% passing completion. Stats worked so well in the BETA but they had to "balance" it on the demo to the point that CPU controlled player all play the goddamn same.
 
Topaz said:
Also I found weaker teams harder to beat than stronger teams since weaker teams like to stay back. So this will be another PES which playing against Sunderland will be a nightmare. I bet in PES 2018, I would easily be able to beat Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool 8-0 whereas against Sunderland lose 2-0 with Sunderland 95% passing completion. Stats worked so well in the BETA but they had to "balance" it on the demo to the point that CPU controlled player all play the goddamn same.
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I have yet to win by that much in the demo. The highest was 4-2.
 
If you don't like the game DEMO that is simply don't buy the game. Problem solved. But coming here and constantly complaining makes it more difficult for others to enjoy the game. I understand if someone doesn't like it but the repetitive stuff gets anoying. Just delet the DEMO and play something else or is it the addiction of complaining that strong ? You will NEVER get a perfect game not only in football but any other game. Super Metroid, Super Mario Bros 3 and World, and Zelda Octarina of Time...those were the perfect games. Now you play whats given to you and thats that.
 
Solid750 said:
If you don't like the game DEMO that is simply don't buy the game. Problem solved. But coming here and constantly complaining makes it more difficult for others to enjoy the game. I understand if someone doesn't like it but the repetitive stuff gets anoying. Just delet the DEMO and play something else or is it the addiction of complaining that strong ? You will NEVER get a perfect game not only in football but any other game. Super Metroid, Super Mario Bros 3 and World, and Zelda Octarina of Time...those were the perfect games. Now you play whats given to you and thats that.
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That's the wrong attitude to have.

People post on here because they want to be heard. Whether it happens or not, who knows.

However, the fact that people go on here in the first place shows how dedicated and passionate they are of PES.
 
Matt10 said:
That's the wrong attitude to have.

People post on here because they want to be heard. Whether it happens or not, who knows.

However, the fact that people go on here in the first place shows how dedicated and passionate they are of PES.
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True. But then I realise I haven't properly enjoyed a PES game in about 5 years and start to wonder what I'm doing with my life. I guess I'm a sucker for hype.
 
People coming here and saying beta was so much better lol. Maybe that's because you were playing against humans. Also gameplan wasn't locked.
 
Northzzz said:
True. But then I realise I haven't properly enjoyed a PES game in about 5 years and start to wonder what I'm doing with my life. I guess I'm a sucker for hype.
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Not just you, man. I'm right there with you. The one I truly "enjoyed" was PES 2014, but that was only until the defensive line backing off and following attackers everywhere.
 
This blog is so predictable and I haven't even been on it that long. First, hype. Then, early impressions, usually pretty positive, with some overreactive negative comments. Then, constructive criticism. Then, butthurt comments about how this game will never be perfect, I like it despite it's flaws, best Pes ever blah blah blah. Then, butthurt negative comments about how the same shit has been broken for years. Rinse, recycle, and repeat.

My truth is both sides are pretty correct. Is this the best Pes ever? Probably. I've only been playing footy games for 5-6 years or so, so I'm not the best person to make this conclusion, but I've watched numerous videos of the old Pes 5 and some of the other iterations. Anyway, here's the point I want to get across more than anything else. You all deserve more than what most of you are asking for. You guys should demand more than what you're currently getting. We're in 20freakin17 and it's still somewhat reasonable that a game from 2005 is the best version of all time? That's a fucking shame.

Check this out: http://www.operationsports.com/nba-2k18-offensive-tendencies-ai-execution-motion-blog-da_czar/
I just came over frpm this blogpost on operationsports. This is from one of 2k's AI producers detailing the specific way's the AI will react to different situations. He details WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE one simple play that has about 8 different branches the Ai can choose from depending on how defend them. Each player has their own tendencies (How often they pull up for 3 on a fastbreak, how often they go left/right, they're favorite dribble moves, how well they see the floor, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) 2k's dedication to making each player and team unique and real is absolutely positively 1000% unrivaled. And you know the craziest thing about it all? They don't even really market it that heavy. Communicate with their diehards on blogs and social media networks. If Ea put this much into their game, we'd see fireworks, cheerleaders and Michael Bay kabooms showcasing their achievement (Even moreso than we already do). What communication has Konami given us? EA? I don't want to turn this into a Ea/Konami debate, but where are our blogs detailing how they're focusing on making the AI as good and lifelike as it's ever been?

You all should be getting more than what you are now. There is no excuse for these teams not having their own real identities as well as these players, especially when the options given to us already don't even work correctly. Ea has even less of an excuse given the resources they have. Football is the greatest, and biggest sport in the world. We should demand the same of the video game. And truthfully, many on here are too apologetic for where we should be in 2017. And the sad thing is, it's mostly the little things or the fundamentals that are holding this game back. The glits and glam are mostly there.
 
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Managed to squeeze a half a game top player and basic setting me Barca vs INTER

I can confirm that a few people here are full of shit. This isn't just a matter of opinion.

Not every shot is on target
Not every pass is on target for myself or the ai
You cant dribble through a whole team with even Messi
Shots do have variation.Could they have more? Of course
The AI can defend on tp

Enjoyed my one half I got to play. Definitely a game I could get more into when I have the time.
 
With all the flaws i still love how the game flows, the pace is superb hope it stays like this, hope u like my wjnaldum goal, u can see it at the end
Superstar
Pa1
Basic shooting
 
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ramgamer said:
Overpowered or the trajectory is too fast on the eye making it look unrealistic
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Did you see Matic's goal against Spurs last season in the FA semi final? Really similar to the one from that video. I don't think it looks that unrealistic from that, it looks fun!
 
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tomj said:
Did you see Matic's goal against Spurs last season in the FA semi final? Really similar to the one from that video. I don't think it looks that unrealistic from that, it looks fun!
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The trajectory just needs to have lesser speed
 
If anyone interested check out The True Brits in game analysis of Barca vs Liverpool - he was playing as the latter. To summarise he thinks the criticism stems from tactics being locked in the demo, and this forces people to play in a way they normally do.

I'm personally enjoying this now, the more I play. But there are a few niggles that I hope can be tweaked. Teams have their differences and some are pacier than others. I enjoyed the beta too.
 
Here's one I managed to score yesterday. Sorry about the annoying light reflection.
 
His voice is a bit OTT but he's a Brit living in the US from what I can make out, so maybe he's trying too hard. He genuinely seems to be a fan though.
 
zeemeister said:
Managed to squeeze a half a game top player and basic setting me Barca vs INTER

I can confirm that a few people here are full of shit. This isn't just a matter of opinion.

Not every shot is on target
Not every pass is on target for myself or the ai
You cant dribble through a whole team with even Messi
Shots do have variation.Could they have more? Of course
The AI can defend on tp

Enjoyed my one half I got to play. Definitely a game I could get more into when I have the time.
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I played many games and succeeded to run with messi and neymar through the whole team.
 
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