PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

superleeds1 said:
Right Curdstar, once again You are making this personal for people. YOUR the one with 2 infraction points against Your name.
The ice is thin, very thin.
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Cool, cool. Can you answer my question I tagged you in please. PM if required. Thanks in advance, mate.
 
PES94 said:
Guys I seriously encourage you to change defense to Wing Back in advanced instruction, the game will be so much better. In terms of positioning and spacing, it changed to build up right away. Trust me it works great. This should have been a default for all teams, now they ruined it because they want to make it seem like it's a new tactic.
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Tried it against 2 different teams:

Boca -


Liverpool -


The Boca match felt better, but that's also because they get into a good defensive shell. Offensively you can see when I replay that both teams do not get their CB's in the offense and are focused on marking a player who needs no marking...because the ball is in the opponent's box.
 
curdstar said:
Chuny, you are one of the people I will take time to read. All I can say is that you shouldn't put too much stock into what Adam says. I'm not saying that because I think he is lying or looking to pull the wool over anyone's eyes (he is a good friend of mine) but because his job demands he promotes as well as offer opinion when he can. There is very little absolute truth to these games that a developer or representative can offer beyond saying they are football videogames and list off modes, features and teams. Everything else is going to be pretty much subjective after that. No point in getting too caught up in what "three year cycle" or "cut from different cloth" means, or whatever. You are only ever going to get a look and a sample late in the day before the game itself comes out for your consideration.
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So is it worth talking to Adam or not? LOL

He's my friend He's my friend ...Good for you we don't need self promotion and heroes, This is what got us in this mess at the first place.
 
Ok so played the demo. General gameplay feels decent. Knocking the ball about is very good. Movement of the players feels really good.




I have 1 issue.... The fucking Shooting! What is wrong with Konami? Every shot again feels straight and true and powerful. No variation, no dip or swerve (unless I'm missing something).... the shooting is every bit the same as it was in PES 2017! Advanced shooting makes me score 1 on 1s virtually all the time.... meh. Scoring goals feels lifeless and empty once again. Please don't attack me or shove the word Proof down my neck. It's just my tiny little opinion.
 
curdstar said:
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Also dude, I am not questioning those who are saying there is a lack of fouls. I am embracing those comments and asking for detailed ideas and just general thoughts on how it could be better. I'm not looking to prove anyone wrong. I am assuming they are right (within reason) and looking to work from there.
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Except you are. Just look back at many of your aggressive, previous posts demanding proof of issues that many people are reporting whilst belittling them for failing to articulate their feelings in terms worthy of a Shakespeare play.

You want detailed ideas? Fine...

1. All animations should have their speed increased by around 30% and keeper reactions reduced by a similar number. That way they dive later but don't float, thereby making it look and feel more natural. Outfield players should have a "reaction" stat that links to the speed and timing of every animation they produce. Then, Messi can animate a step over sooner and quicker than Mustafi can react to it.

2. Even easier - just copy FIFA's sliders.

3. Body position, angle, height, strength, technique, ball position, spin, and ability all drive the output of a shot when square is pressed. That way every shot is generated in real time based on these inputs and not just translated into soulless straight arrows.

4. Copy and paste the foul system from PES 5. Don't mess about, just copy paste. It worked.
 
I downloaded the PS3 version off of the UK Store last night. I can't speak to the PS4 version but the PS3 demo is improved graphically over 17 it actually looks pretty similar to PS4 2017.
I didn't expect drastic changes considering the game runs with the same Fox Engine but it looks and feels better than last year. However PA1 is too assisted so I just switched back to manual passing and it improves the challenge at least for me.
I usually play with Mid Range Cam 5-5-0 but that is not an option on the demo. Tried Broadcast and to my surprise there are a few things I never saw before like an occasional zoom in. Quite cool. Pitch Side Cam is a new addition to the PS3.

Overall after just a few games I have to say I like it as I was not expecting every single problem big or small to be addressed. I think it looks and moves better than anything else available.
 
darkoj2007 said:
hello guys. I don't post a lot but here is my opinion about the demo. as a 31 years old who grew up with pes I can clearly say that pes has lost it's soul. I will skip bollocks talking about pes 4,5,6 becouse I played these games during my childhood and I can't play thrm today becouse they are boring for me to play them now. Pes has always been the game if you want great gameplay and use strenghts of the teams and players but this isn't the case today. Clearly Konami is more oriented about player faces and trying to satisfy kids bringing club licences instead of that game is suffering in it's core. I remember in the old days using Recoba if you want to have classic number 10 to dribble, great passer with good accuracy but player who cannot win battles with players like Stam, Maldini etc. You want a good striker with great shot and player who needs little space to fire a rocket, play with Batistuta. This is just example how every team and player had own strenghts and weaknesses. What I played today is a joke of a game if I compare with these games. What I see is weird animations when player recieves ball, strange ball physics while passes, no error during first touch of the ball. Every team can execute counter attack like in Barca golden days with one touch passes and then something stupid shot animation what don't even represents power of the shot animation. What is the point of football game that can't make goal satisfying, doesn't matter if it's long shot or one on one with the gk. Trying to make good cross, no problem rocket will be fired and then player uses his head and suddenly ball moves slowly in companion with slow gk animation. Konami please... :( Pes 2014 was light in the tunnel for making good simulation with core of the game mechanics right except bad shooting but there is a lot pottential. Today saddly most important thing is player faces :( Konami that's it, year after year same old dissapointment... Playing fifa is like choosing better worst game but in fifa Messi can't win air balls against Boateng but in pes maybe 70% of them and other similar weird things. Sorry for a long post but I expect more from this years game. Very dissapointed...
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yes, stats are watered down today. Passing and Shooting being effected most.
 
TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal! said:
I have 1 issue.... The fucking Shooting! What is wrong with Konami? Every shot again feels straight and true and powerful. No variation, no dip or swerve (unless I'm missing something).... the shooting is every bit the same as it was in PES 2017!
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Not meaning to attack you, but... Are you playing with assisted shooting or with manual?
If assisted, please consider at least giving a try to manual. It's still pretty easy to hit the target once you've mastered it (but not as much as with assisted or advanced) but:
  • Shots do have a little more variation especially in strength. I hit a couple of rockets that would make Kin Jong Un feel embarassed but I also managed to hit a series of weak shots too.
    One notable example, that left me pretty baffled: I charged a shot with Ponzio, almost sure to have it fly in at the top corner, only to see him perform something that here in Italy we'd call 'a fart' (a shot of extreme weakness and randomness).
  • It's true that you'll often hit the target, but you'll hardly be scoring plenty of goals per match, at least at the beginning.
 
Bond!JamesBond! said:
yes, stats are watered down today. Passing and Shooting being effected most.
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I don't know. I mean, I agree that shooting and passing stats don't matter as much as they did back in the PS2 days (bear in mind that manual didn't exist back then though) but I definitely feel that, even with manual passing, trying to play tiki-taka with Colo Colo is still definitely harder than playing it with Barcelona.
Might be placebo, I don't know, but that's how I feel.
 
Matt10 said:
Tried it against 2 different teams:

Boca -


Liverpool -


The Boca match felt better, but that's also because they get into a good defensive shell. Offensively you can see when I replay that both teams do not get their CB's in the offense and are focused on marking a player who needs no marking...because the ball is in the opponent's box.
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I think it depends on formations and also it looks like you disabled other advanced instructions. I suggest you play with the same instructions Att/Def but just replace one with Wing Back. The one you don't feel necessary. The thing is if you disable all the Advanced instructions it will mean players won't attack or defend properly. Meaning things that you expect to happen won't happen without advanced instructions. It's really silly cuz some of the instructions should have been a default for all teams not something to add as a tactic or play around with. Try playing as Borussia and it would work perfectly cuz they play 3-4-3.
 
*aLe said:
Not meaning to attack you, but... Are you playing with assisted shooting or with manual?
If assisted, please consider at least giving a try to manual. It's still pretty easy to hit the target once you've mastered it (but not as much as with assisted or advanced) but:
  • Shots do have a little more variation especially in strength. I hit a couple of rockets that would make Kin Jong Un feel embarassed but I also managed to hit a series of weak shots too.
    One notable example, that left me pretty baffled: I charged a shot with Ponzio, almost sure to have it fly in at the top corner, only to see him perform something that here in Italy we'd call 'a fart' (a shot of extreme weakness and randomness).
  • It's true that you'll often hit the target, but you'll hardly be scoring plenty of goals per match, at least at the beginning.
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You've just described everything that's wrong with the shooting.

1. Assisted shots were all that was available a decade ago, but the shots were so varied and felt so natural that it elevated the experience away from playing a game to feeling like a footballer. No one should have to use manual or advanced shooting to improve the game when the default option is such a step back.

2. BIB - this is what adds to the overall disconnect between player and the game. If I charge the shot 80% from 18 yards out, the body position, ability, technique stats, and angle of approach should dictate if it flies in on goal, narrowly wide or over, hugely over, or close enough for the keeper to save. It should never translate to a weak, dribble of a shot. An 80% full shooting meter from that distance should lead to a strong, powerful connection with the ball, which may get scuffed, sliced, ballooned etc. and NOT reminiscent of a minor cough.
 
bluewomble88 said:
An 80% full shooting meter from that distance should lead to a strong, powerful connection with the ball, which may get scuffed, sliced, ballooned etc. and NOT reminiscent of a minor cough.
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Indeed I was like :SHOCK: when it happened. Then I definitely turned :RANT: after I saw the replay.
 
Tried the demo , disappointed. Same flaws every year and Konami is ignoring us again, as i said before , they need to take a 2-3 years break from making Pes because they need to make complete revamp. One year isn't enough for them to fix major problems that happen to occur every year.
 
*aLe said:
Not meaning to attack you, but... Are you playing with assisted shooting or with manual?
If assisted, please consider at least giving a try to manual. It's still pretty easy to hit the target once you've mastered it (but not as much as with assisted or advanced) but:
  • Shots do have a little more variation especially in strength. I hit a couple of rockets that would make Kin Jong Un feel embarassed but I also managed to hit a series of weak shots too.
    One notable example, that left me pretty baffled: I charged a shot with Ponzio, almost sure to have it fly in at the top corner, only to see him perform something that here in Italy we'd call 'a fart' (a shot of extreme weakness and randomness).
  • It's true that you'll often hit the target, but you'll hardly be scoring plenty of goals per match, at least at the beginning.
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I usually use basic shooting. That's the way I've played PES since ISS on PS1 in 97. What I don't get is that the shooting for so many years on less powerful hardware felt awesome.... yet here we are in 2017 and the shooting feels like it's been ripped straight from Virtua Striker.... the difference is that game is an Arcade game by definition.... PES for me has never been a full on Arcade game.
 
Harder bc Colo players position and react worse and adjust themself slowly to your manual passes than Barca players.

The passing itself is the same with all the players on manual. The receivers ability is the key.
 
Kunio_Kun said:
Tried the demo , disappointed. Same flaws every year and Konami is ignoring us again, as i said before , they need to take a 2-3 years break from making Pes because they need to make complete revamp. One year isn't enough for them to fix major problems that happen to occur every year.
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Sorry for question but are you FIFA player?
 
PES94 said:
I think it depends on formations and also it looks like you disabled other advanced instructions. I suggest you play with the same instructions Att/Def but just replace one with Wing Back. The one you don't feel necessary. The thing is if you disable all the Advanced instructions it will mean players won't attack or defend properly. Meaning things that you expect to happen won't happen without advanced instructions. It's really silly cuz some of the instructions should have been a default for all teams not something to add as a tactic or play around with. Try playing as Borussia and it would work perfectly cuz they play 3-4-3.
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I'll try. It's silly, but I'll try. Advanced instructions have way too much weight in this game.
 
hitmanuk said:
https://twitter.com/Adam_Bhatti/status/902988823520477186

Trying to copy a link but if you look at adams post thanking everyone for the overwhelming response some guy has posted a video of his goalie dribbling from his box to the opposition box on superstar

edit fixed - what's even funnier is he get a penalty - keeper on keeper - and im moaning there's no fouls
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Reading the comments just prove that there are no use for people on boards like this or WENB (which Adam just laughs at...) to hope anymore. No one mention PA1 being to assisted for example. We are the minority.
 
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shez said:
So is it worth talking to Adam or not? LOL

He's my friend He's my friend ...Good for you we don't need self promotion and heroes, This is what got us in this mess at the first place.
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I beg to differ. As flawful as PES might be, it's a thousand times better than it was with Seabass.

shilts said:
Enjoying the demo, but why-oh-why-oh-why can't we have a "broadcast camera" that doesn't cut to those horrible pitchside angles?

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Couldn't agree more.
 
bluewomble88 said:
Well the obvious answer is to code the damn game properly so that fouls actually lead to free kicks, penalties etc. It's not hard to turn the initial question into a solution.

I've played a few games of this and this is my feeling...

+ Graphics and animations are, overall, very good.
+ The player movement and feeling of inertia is pretty spot on. There is a decent weight to the bodies too.
+ The catch up bug seems to have been squashed.

- Floaty keepers all over the place. Just fix this already. How hard can it be?
- In my first game, I attempted 6 shots on target and every single one was a straight, soulless arrow. The positioning of my player, his ability, the speed of approach to the ball counted for nothing. The same boring, repetitive shots over and over and over.
- AI on Superstar level is so robotic. Ultra-accurate first time passes, the same approach play (lofted to the wing then cutting in), and again the same types of shots at goal.
- Waaaayy too much space for wingers and no midfield play.
- The final nail in the coffin: absolutely no urgency from anyone on the pitch. Tackles, loose balls, counter attacks - every player animates at the same speed in recoveries, sliding in, passing etc. If a defender loses out to an attacker in the air near the box, I expect him to scramble to his feet and lunge towards the ball and attempt to disrupt play. This just isn't possible. The shots, passes, flicks, saves, jumps all happen at the same speed every time. It's like watching snooker where all the balls move around the table at the same speed no matter how hard they get hit.

I had some hopes for this, I really did. Despite some minor improvements, I think, overall, this is a worse product than 2017 because of the awful negatives that have allowed through yet another year later.

I'm done with PES until there is a change in direction.
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you see what i see. Very good review.
 
PES94 said:
Don't you guys think it might be because you're using players with high passing stats or is it just for every player? I mean if you're complaining that Iniesta passed an accurate throw ball then clearly you're missing the point of stats and actual football.
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Not at all mate, I am perfectly aware of what actual football is and what it should be, this game as it is, is completely broken... have a look at the videos here that he has posted today and see for yourself https://www.youtube.com/user/thedilldollstv/videos?view=0&shelf_id=28&sort=dd
 
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