PES 2017 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
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bluewomble88
Championship
- 26 September 2010
Come now. 6 certainly looks awful by today's standards, but it doesn't play awful. I'm not idealising the past but there's no doubt that the ebb and flow of 6 is much more fun to me than all of the components of 2017. The shooting for a start feels so much better and the AI definitely attacks more aggressively too. 2017 is the better package I suppose but I'm having more fun with 6. There's a reason 6 is still heavily modded and supported after all this time. It's a classic. Not all current-gen versions are better than the older titles in my opinion (Street Fighter 5, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider, FIFA, Call of Duty to an extent) whilst others definitely are (Doom, Uncharted etc).
That sums it up. No matter what fifa provides in terms of visuals, stadiums, licences, there is always something special about PES despite all the work it requires to make it a proper game. I have done this mistake in the past with trying Fifa but it just doesn't last that long on my shelfI also sold the game, bought FIFA, played it for a couple of days, sold it and bought PES againPES is just so much better in gameplay, FIFA isnt going the right direction where it headed between the years (aproximatelly) 2008-2012. Yes, PES is extremely frustrating sometimes, but you can say this about every sports game. On full manual its pure joy to play it (online) most of the time. This doesnt change that Im really upset and angry about Konami not doing right the "little" things (problems with OF, bad matchmaking, only 10 replays you can save, only 3 custom tactics you can save, no team strenght filter in Divisions etc.). This game could be so much better off the field.
And yes, PES6 was on awesome game, but that was 10 or so years ago. Today it looks and plays awful (tried it) comparing to PES 2017. You simply cant stop time and 10 years in gaming are so much... People just tend to idealise what was and criticise what is.
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For starters PES 5 > PES 6. I play superstar on PES 2017, the AI does more things than what PES 6 do.
gerd
Retired Footballer
I don't understand why people still play PES and not PES5 or PES4. Those games were much, much better...
Could be that there were more teams in PES6 (i honestly don't remember), but gameplaywise PES5 and PES4 were far superior to PES6. At the time the game got slaughtered here and even got lesser reviews for the first time.
Could be that there were more teams in PES6 (i honestly don't remember), but gameplaywise PES5 and PES4 were far superior to PES6. At the time the game got slaughtered here and even got lesser reviews for the first time.
bluewomble88
Championship
- 26 September 2010
The trouble with 5 was the AI didn't attack that much, just like 2017. In 6 there were less fouls but more of a challenge.
goalgerd
File Maker
im gonna buy fifa 17, i haven't got 30 hours every time konami fuck the game up with an update
RockyJJP
FIFA fan, PES lover
In advanced attacking options, setting support range right up to full bars, gets the AI to attack a lot. The really do push forward and try to score. Give it a go
After another 4 night games in a row i put the game on ebay and meanwhile bought nba2k.
I had a couple of months of fun, but without a few tweaks i couldn't see me playing it any longer. Also after patch 1 i found the game way too eay, before the patch AI on max difficulty was a bitch, after patch 1 i dominate most games on full manual and hardly concede any goals.
But lack od day and night selector, boring master league, poor lighting and colous palette and a step back in player individuality are just killing my joy right now.
I still think konami is on the right path, i hadn't played a pes game since pes 2011 and if properly managed this game is gonna give us a few years of great gaming on ps4.
I had a couple of months of fun, but without a few tweaks i couldn't see me playing it any longer. Also after patch 1 i found the game way too eay, before the patch AI on max difficulty was a bitch, after patch 1 i dominate most games on full manual and hardly concede any goals.
But lack od day and night selector, boring master league, poor lighting and colous palette and a step back in player individuality are just killing my joy right now.
I still think konami is on the right path, i hadn't played a pes game since pes 2011 and if properly managed this game is gonna give us a few years of great gaming on ps4.
Chimps-with-quiffs
Champions League
- 11 August 2003
I tweeted asim, adam and pes official this morning asking how if someone tweets something positive they are all over it. But tweets about option file makers packing in as they are sick of updates ruining their work gets no response.
I am yet to have a response and don't expect one.
This should be a massive red flag to them, but it doesn't appear to be sinking in. It will do when they release a version with option file support and no one makes the files
I am yet to have a response and don't expect one.
This should be a massive red flag to them, but it doesn't appear to be sinking in. It will do when they release a version with option file support and no one makes the files
For me, the AI is pressing or pressuring me more often than before the patch. So if anything it is better or harder than before. That's my experience so far.
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
yup, that would truly be a blessing.
This is what I think too. I have played tons of games after the patch and every game the CPU doesn't give much space like before, even on regular difficulty. I am sure they tweaked the power gauge too, is not as smooth as it used to be before the update
I don't own a PS4 but if you disconnected from the internet would that work?
Yeh i was thinking that. The thing is i would like to update to the first patch but not the latest one but don't think it will give me the option.
That's.... not how it works, gerd.
If you take up a community manager position, it is your duty to look after the community, not block them off. The community will include all kinds of people, and such a manager will have to put up with that. If they can't deal with it then they're not the right people for the job.
From what I recall you work with your local community, and I'm sure you see people who appreciate your work, and some who don't. It comes with the package and you can't stop it. Even the ones who appreciate might have suggestions, even though many of these suggestions might sound silly or unnecessary, but some are really good and helpful. You deal with the community, you're dealing with all kinds of people, you take the bad with the good. It's just part of the deal. If you can't handle that, then you aren't fit for it.
Edmundo 22
League 1
- 11 November 2003
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think the community positions are just really poor in their feedback skills. Last year for instance there was fundamental issues that were denied on twitter and then to the point of blocking customers which is borderline insane from a business POV. in any industry that involves communicating with people you must be open and honest. Ithe would be good to see them issue a feedback list with priorities for next year so we can see what the plan on working on and if there is something the don't want to or can't fix/change that lots people are feeding back about just say so.
gerd
Retired Footballer
I can see your point Lami.
Yes i work in the local community.
It is my job to listen to everybody. But if people are telling lies or complaining about minor issues i just tell them that they are unreasonable (well, first i try to explain them that there are more important things).
The difference between me and the Konami people is that i'm dealing with 50 people at a time while they are dealing with thousands of them. Believe if i say i wouldn't want to have to deal with some of the reactions Asim and Bhatti get.
IMO Bhatti has had a very positive influence on PES. He was lousy community manager and so is Asim, because both of them are fans of the franchise. What you need in that position is a professional with enough distance to manage the reactions. Both Bhatti and Asim are too emotional involved to be a good community manager.
But the people who give feedback are largely to blame aswell...90% of the negative reactions are laughable to be honest, even if some of their negative feedback is justified. It's also the way they express themselves...some of it are without any respect. I don't think one should discuss with people who don't respect you as a human being. I never do that in my job, never...
I remember some reactions here when PES started to go downhill in the PS3 era. There was literally somebody here who wished that Seabass would die...he wasn't even cautioned for it...people like that should be banned from forums. I'm higlighting one very exagerated reaction, but that was not the only one.
I remeber that at that time i had one almighty row with some people here. I sort of overreacted too, but to me "discussing" like that is totally unacceptable. From those days i have the reputation to be a very big PES fanboy (i hate that word). I like to think that i'm not. But at that time anybody who wasn't totally against Konami, PES and it's devlopment team was considered a total retard and an idiot. Well, then i will always choose the side of the total retards and the idiots.
Yes i work in the local community.
It is my job to listen to everybody. But if people are telling lies or complaining about minor issues i just tell them that they are unreasonable (well, first i try to explain them that there are more important things).
The difference between me and the Konami people is that i'm dealing with 50 people at a time while they are dealing with thousands of them. Believe if i say i wouldn't want to have to deal with some of the reactions Asim and Bhatti get.
IMO Bhatti has had a very positive influence on PES. He was lousy community manager and so is Asim, because both of them are fans of the franchise. What you need in that position is a professional with enough distance to manage the reactions. Both Bhatti and Asim are too emotional involved to be a good community manager.
But the people who give feedback are largely to blame aswell...90% of the negative reactions are laughable to be honest, even if some of their negative feedback is justified. It's also the way they express themselves...some of it are without any respect. I don't think one should discuss with people who don't respect you as a human being. I never do that in my job, never...
I remember some reactions here when PES started to go downhill in the PS3 era. There was literally somebody here who wished that Seabass would die...he wasn't even cautioned for it...people like that should be banned from forums. I'm higlighting one very exagerated reaction, but that was not the only one.
I remeber that at that time i had one almighty row with some people here. I sort of overreacted too, but to me "discussing" like that is totally unacceptable. From those days i have the reputation to be a very big PES fanboy (i hate that word). I like to think that i'm not. But at that time anybody who wasn't totally against Konami, PES and it's devlopment team was considered a total retard and an idiot. Well, then i will always choose the side of the total retards and the idiots.
RockyJJP
FIFA fan, PES lover
Anyone take my advice and set attacking instructions to full teammate support? For me, it completely changes how the AI attack, their shot count is higher than mine, almost every game now.
Can anyone explain to me why PES nowadays doesn't have the same stats as the old versions ps2 era? Some like Aggression, shooting technique, teamwork, response, mentality, technique, etc. those brought individuality in a big way. Made the games special. I hope they bring back those for next year, hopefully it's in everyone's feedback.
Paynekiller
Premier League
- 14 June 2015
No, I don't believe it is possible, tbh! If you uninstall the game I'm almost certain a reinstall has all updates automatically included.
Gunslinger
Premier League
- 5 September 2016
They don't seem to handle themselves very well. However, I don't think marketing folks like Adam et al. have very much influence on the development of the game at all. They may come across like they are intimately involved in the creation process but when reading between the lines I think they are pretty much in the dark about game updates and the future of the IP most of the time.
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my thoughts too, i think they have very limited input to the game itself and how it plays after all they aren't coders or game developers as far as i know. They are there to try and sell it. I remember David Rutter with FIFA now he knew how to promote a game
Are they not there as a go between with the company and the community? If they are they only perform their 'duty' when it suits them and when only positive things are said.
Chimps-with-quiffs
Champions League
- 11 August 2003
I have tweeted a few times over the last few days about option file makers packing in and no response.
The last one followed them all congratulating themselves about the Barcelona players in my club.
They probably won't have the licence for Barcelona next year and all the kids who they are selling them to will be furious. They also may not have people making the their game with buying with kits
The last one followed them all congratulating themselves about the Barcelona players in my club.
They probably won't have the licence for Barcelona next year and all the kids who they are selling them to will be furious. They also may not have people making the their game with buying with kits
Yet, according to Keighley, Konami allegedly treated Kojima worse than we thought, stating, "The fact that he finished that game under those circumstances is just amazing. He was locked in a separate room on a different floor than his development team for the final six months of development. He couldn't even talk to them – he had to talk through someone else. That's how that game was finished."
And you expect them to treat you well? You didn't even make Metal Gear Solid!