PES 2017 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

Just played. First corner to them - straight to their man on edge of box - unmarked. Despite my settings of Nan marking.
Is no one else getting this??

Nope. There was a dude a few pages back saying the COM score from every corner as well, and that has simply not proven true in my experiences at all. I consider the corner strategies to be more of a thing for delivery into the box. Even in the real sport players are left a wee bit more free at the edge of the box than any manager would want because players get sucked into the ball or simply don't watch there man.

I see errand passes all the time and isn't just interceptions. Long balls by the COM going off target and out of play are frequent, as the COM's use of short passes in wing play. Now admittedly, it is wing play, but it is there.

Honestly, I do accept that some players see/experience different things (I for on have had a decent share of pens across a season and a half of ML, where others say they haven't had any) I see the COM utilise a variety of methods in their build-up play, which goes completely contrary to Antoine's experience (this isn't a bang for buck/less sim than FIFA football game at all) Elsewhere, someone said that every COM shot is on target. My experience suggests otherwise. In fact, I get a tad frustrated that the COM misses some easy chances and I am not talking about a keeper save, but the COM skewing it wide. A couple of nights ago, when I last played, I played a top of the table clash against Chievo Verona that finished 3-2 to me. The very last kick of the ball was the COM hitting the post and then wide when put through 1v. 1 in the dying moments. The particular example suggests that the talk of 1 v. 1's not being in the game as inaccurate, but also dispels (sort-of) that the COM cheats like fuck in ML.

I do appreciate that the developers could do with looking at rounding out the experience so as more of the stuff that happens to certain players happens for all. You won't have me saying people are lying, but I will say the game has too much of its feature set out on the pitch hidden away.

I will say the game does reward those who set-up a formation with players that not only are playing in their preferred registered positions, but that an eye is kept out on their skills/traits, as well as their tactical flexibility. No point, for example, setting Attacking Instruction to "wide" when the bulk of the starting eleven you pick prefer to play an attacking game that is based on "centre"; setting up full-backs in a 5-3-2 to bomb forward if they don't also have the offensive full-back skill might see them play okay, but if they do have that skill you got yourself some wing-back porn. My left-back Mattiello has won me two penalties do to his overlapping. Leaves me a wee bit short at the back on the flanks, but I have a "Anchor Man" as one of DMF's, so he trys to help the three centre-backs, but it is still risky, and has proven so.

I've already said how ML mode is where the game is a far more intense experience, and that something closer to that should be found in other modes. I would have VERSUS as a proper replication of ML conditions, for starters.

If there is one criticism, the game maybe err's on allowing a "bang for buck" experience, but in ML and utilisation of the tactical suite afforded to the player, there is a beast of a game.

Final tip: try get used to Advanced Shooting. If you are using Basic Shooting it is like the COM does similar and will be a lot less error laden and by extension forgiving. PA1 and Advanced Shooting is proving a wonderful balance for me in control for the moment as I still do have manual control at my fingertips should I want it. As a bonus, goal variety is very pleasing too.
 
Why is it so hard (almost impossible) to find an online match with PA0? Really nobody is playing manual?

I have no problem finding people in Online divisions with manual settings. Sure, from time to time u get to wait a couple of minutes but it's worth it when u compare to the mess that is PA1 online.
 
I'm not sure the stats are true.
Have you ever seen the AI misplace a pass so that you get a throw in or pass the ball to no one?
Its like the game is designed to have 90 mins end to end football.

Yep I've had them miss place passes, going out for throw ins or goal kicks or just going to my man. Same as shooting, not every one on target. I'm only playing on Prof though.
 
It is. That's how PES works - I'd love to see pass error in there, but we have to accept that their methodology for condensing 90 minutes into (the default) 10 minutes will always be the way it is, to create matches worth playing.

PES aims for a highlights package rather than having the potential for 10 minutes of nothing happening, and for all the manual talk, the game is designed to deliver the best results for the default settings (PA1 - which is a relief, it could have been PA3). I've witnessed absolutely no difference from the AI when playing manual, or when playing longer halves (I've got evidence to the contrary in terms of doubling the match length, doubling the amount of shots and doubling the scoreline) - so to me, 10-12 minute games and PA1 is the way to play. But you have to accept that the engine is designed the way it is for a reason.

The stats are true - because you'll intercept the AI passes occasionally. That's the AI version of a misplaced pass.

I had to increase the time from 15mins to 20mins because there was quite a lot of 0-0's. Now there are different scores, 0-0, 1-0, 2-1, 4-3. More realistic for me now. Some games are end to end and some games are really quite boring (boring in a good way)
 
The CPU doesn't score from every corner on Master League, this is a myth. I have conceded just one goal from a corner in over 20 Master league matches.

However, the game is still scripted as hell in Master League. Basically, I will completely destroy an opponent on posession, shots on target, shots off target yet the CPU will 9 times out of 10 magically manage an equalising goal against me near the end of the match.

I refuse to drop down to Top Player because it's too easy to score in this unless playing on Superstar.
 
Halfway point of my second season in Serie B. Top Player and -1 Game Speed. Loving every minute of it...

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The CPU doesn't score from every corner on Master League, this is a myth. I have conceded just one goal from a corner in over 20 Master league matches.

However, the game is still scripted as hell in Master League. Basically, I will completely destroy an opponent on posession, shots on target, shots off target yet the CPU will 9 times out of 10 magically manage an equalising goal against me near the end of the match.

I refuse to drop down to Top Player because it's too easy to score in this unless playing on Superstar.

Shit happens in real life, possession and other stats doesn't mean much if you don't score. There are a lot of real life matches that end with a lucky goal or from a counter attack. The strange thing tho the lower rated teams are mostly harder than the higher rated teams which baffles me a lot at times. I don't mind that as it happens in real life sometimes, I just think they should find that balance more.
 
The CPU doesn't score from every corner on Master League, this is a myth. I have conceded just one goal from a corner in over 20 Master league matches.

However, the game is still scripted as hell in Master League. Basically, I will completely destroy an opponent on posession, shots on target, shots off target yet the CPU will 9 times out of 10 magically manage an equalising goal against me near the end of the match.

I refuse to drop down to Top Player because it's too easy to score in this unless playing on Superstar.
I honestly think the more I play master league the more horrible it becomes due to the AI scripting
 
Two vital screens in the game when I am playing ML. Annoying is that they are not available in Game Plan screen, which I might feed back...

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The whole game is one big giant series of scripts. Christ, I could basically say every AI goal in the game is a script, but I roll with it and make changes. There have been plenty times when I could've said the game is turning against me or overriding, but most goals I concede are stupid errors; massive one being hitting long ball as opposed to clear. The delay in powering up a long ball to clear cleverly can prove ridiculously costly.

Very tempted to post up a match or even do a broadcast to show the experience I am having with the game, but inevitably there will either be criticisms of the AI or my play. I don't find the game to be that scripted at all, and certainly hope the feedback they are receiving isn't suggesting so, as what they could do is make the game piss easy as a result.

If the game was as scripted or the AI play as perfect as is being made out, I would have chucked this game long ago.
 
At this precise moment (no doubt it will change) I fucking hate this game. It's a ping pong mess. End to end in 5 seconds.
Still no pens. Still seeing the free man on edge of box whatever I do. Scoring leaves me bored. Konami clearly don't believe that grass is green but more of a browny beige mish mash.
I think I need to put this down for a few weeks.
 
At this precise moment (no doubt it will change) I fucking hate this game. It's a ping pong mess. End to end in 5 seconds.
Still no pens. Still seeing the free man on edge of box whatever I do. Scoring leaves me bored. Konami clearly don't believe that grass is green but more of a browny beige mish mash.
I think I need to put this down for a few weeks.

That sounds entirely down to how you are playing and not the game. I'm sorry to say mate, but it sounds like you are playing with a focus on trying to win penalties and with an odd obsession with a man on the edge of the box. You aren't allowing yourself and the game to breathe.

Re: end to end and man on the box. Who do set up to mark before a match? Do you utilise tight marking from advanced instructions, but also man-mark the other forward and even wingers/midfielders? Do you play with flexible or maintain formation? Do you play both hug the touchline and wing rotation when looking for width and with the right players? What are you actually doing to try and win penalties? If you are trying to steamroller through or simply outrun that simply won't work. What are you actually doing when defending corners? Are you pressing clear? Have you tried advanced or manual shooting so as to offer you greater control of shooting?

All that above is relevant. If you don't set up to counter/nullify as well is engineer, then the game will be end to end. Try to not always 1-2 or pass and move (everybody does this more than they think) as it will leave your players out of position and the COM will (rightfully) be back attacking you in a flash. That is where the end-to-end nature will be coming from. That, and not having marking assignments to more than just a forward. Use dynamic 1-2's and have the player not always run forward in a straight line. Slow your own game down so as your teammates move with you and start making their own runs - Castledine in my ML has amazing off the ball movement, for example.
 
The whole game is one big giant series of scripts. Christ, I could basically say every AI goal in the game is a script, but I roll with it and make changes. There have been plenty times when I could've said the game is turning against me or overriding, but most goals I concede are stupid errors; massive one being hitting long ball as opposed to clear. The delay in powering up a long ball to clear cleverly can prove ridiculously costly.

Very tempted to post up a match or even do a broadcast to show the experience I am having with the game, but inevitably there will either be criticisms of the AI or my play. I don't find the game to be that scripted at all, and certainly hope the feedback they are receiving isn't suggesting so, as what they could do is make the game piss easy as a result.

If the game was as scripted or the AI play as perfect as is being made out, I would have chucked this game long ago.

Ah don't be shy . .put up a match . .none of us on here are brilliant players. . .I agree with what you said about stupid errors . ..I find if I try a bit of showboating passing and get caught that I'm punished by conceding a goal which is how it should be. . .especially if you act the clown at kickoff . ..I was caught in two games tonight and conceded at the start of each match. You have to roll with the scripting . .that's the way games work.
 
The CPU doesn't score from every corner on Master League, this is a myth. I have conceded just one goal from a corner in over 20 Master league matches.

However, the game is still scripted as hell in Master League. Basically, I will completely destroy an opponent on posession, shots on target, shots off target yet the CPU will 9 times out of 10 magically manage an equalising goal against me near the end of the match.

I refuse to drop down to Top Player because it's too easy to score in this unless playing on Superstar.
You were singing the praises about the game a couple of days a go, what happened man :)? It sounds like you play on assisted settings correct? If this is the case you probably need more challenge, play on manual and drop down to professional.
 
1.the game is tough

2. It should be played on manual,at least the passing.

3.errors will be punished,from proffesional up to Superstar.

4. Players needs to practice more,this game can't be done on old merits

5 no,the game isn't scripted as hell,if you don't have the first four steps in mind,then you'll probably feel that way,I haven't felt scripting,subtle little things yes,but not what I'm reading in here.

6 maybe play something else? There's tons of us who love this game,and enjoy the shit out of it.
Clearly this isn't for everyone,it takes a long time to learn this game

Easy fix for all the problems,go manual,and drop your difficulty,and you'll start to enjoy it.
I promise.
And yes I know some will say "but I want it to be realistic and fantastic on PA1-3" I don't think that's a possibility,you'd have to sacrifice something for that to be possible,maybe go advanced shooting or manual shooting
FIFA does that well,maybe that's the game that should be played?
I think I speak for a lot of people who love this game,and scratches their head reading the "remarks" in here.
 
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At this precise moment (no doubt it will change) I fucking hate this game. It's a ping pong mess. End to end in 5 seconds.
Still no pens. Still seeing the free man on edge of box whatever I do. Scoring leaves me bored. Konami clearly don't believe that grass is green but more of a browny beige mish mash.
I think I need to put this down for a few weeks.
i play on regular difficulty, broadcast camera, manual shooting and passing.
it has midfield battles and great scoring fun....if you score that is.
i can't find joy in Fifa anymore...
 
You were singing the praises about the game a couple of days a go, what happened man :)? It sounds like you play on assisted settings correct? If this is the case you probably need more challenge, play on manual and drop down to professional.
I do love this game. But Master League simply isn't enjoyable at the moment for me.

I need to take a break from this and play something else for a while.

I will go back to it because the gameplay is so damn good!
 
I would be keen to hear opinions on the unmarked player on the edge of my penalty area after I clear a corner. I see that an awful lot and I don't know how to overcome it. In real football, the defending team occasionally clears out to an attacking player of their own and he holds it up as the wingers and wing backs break forward for a counter. Haven't been able to do that once yet when defending a corner.
 
im fuming. champions league cpu 1-0 down had possession ball has clearly gone beyond goal line but its played on. i paused and replayed just to make sure i was 100% right, and yep whole ball clearly gone out of play. if it was me in possession, it would have been cpu goal kick. have screenshot as well............filthyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
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