PES 2016 News & Discussion Thread

[Edmundo 22]

Im using +2 games speed and loving it. Smooths out the clunky contact animations, also need to get the camera distance right. If you too far , it;s harder to control your players, if it's too close you miss out on some forward vision.

I been trying the older Pes 2012, 13, 14, but I keep coming back to Pes 2016, it's my fav.

 

[aussiepesfan]

So with the positive talk on 2014 I decided to give it a go again. Playing a couple of ML games from a couple of years ago. So far I am finding the gameplay quite good as there are a lot of tussles in midfield. And there have been fouls and bookings for the CPU, in one game there was about 4 fouls from me and 5 from the CPU so that is refreshing. But I am finding a lot of shots on target from the CPU (I'm playing on Top Player).

A couple of questions...

What is the best shooting for it, Basic, Advanced, or Manual? I practised in training mode and they all felt pretty much the same.

In ML can you manage different teams, including National teams? What are the transfers like for the CPU?

Last one, why the hell did they put the name plates above the players heads and not give the option to have at the bottom of the screen? I have to have the names showing so I know what player I'm using. Such a pain having Toby Alderweireld's name taking up the penalty area.

Thanks

I'm in the same boat. Played WE2014 BS and PES 15 but I keep trying PES 16 because it's the latest. I'm trying to get the best out of it.

Can you tell me what's better in the PC version? Are the keepers better and are fouls called at least?

Ok, im playing a patched pc version with yair 1.4 (im sure its not the latest, but the one I last used many months ago) , which is supposed to improve gameplay. I cant say for sure if keepers are better or more fouls are called (don't think so), but I think I like it more because the response on the pc seems ever so slightly worse than the ps4 version. Sounds weird, but it just seems more realistic as a result. Its hard to put a finger on it, but I played pes13 and pes14 for a bit, and then played pes16 ps4 right after and just didn't enjoy it as much as I used to. Then another cycle.. played some pes14, pes12 etc, then I tried pes2016 pc version, and wow.. really enjoyed it.

The other reasons are purely cosmetic. I know the ps4 version is supposed to the superior version graphically, but Sweet Fx gives the pc version a beautiful saturated colour effect that I like. The added balls, stadiums (Napoli's stadium is amazing) add to this. Best of all is the 2.4 sider patch, which allows on the spot camera customisation, including the dynamic views. As a result I can just get things to look better on the pc version compared to the ps4 version...

 

[bonyi]

PES has the basic approach right. Righter than FIFA. I mean, the way they understand football and how it's supposed to work on a game is the right way. But that's just the surface. They lack the content and variety.

That might be true, but to me it's not acceptable in it's current state. If the shooting, keepers, referees, team tactics are off, no matter how good philosophy you have behind, the game is not enjoyable and is a frustrating experience like it ever was since that shitty pes 2008 came out..

but it's all good, I only wanted to point out, that to my biggest surprise I can enjoy better fifa16, than pes and it brings me closest to the feeling since pes6.

 

[Elja]

The other reasons are purely cosmetic. I know the ps4 version is supposed to the superior version graphically, but Sweet Fx gives the pc version a beautiful saturated colour effect that I like. The added balls, stadiums (Napoli's stadium is amazing) add to this. Best of all is the 2.4 slider patch, which allows on the spot camera customisation, including the dynamic views. As a result I can just get things to look better on the pc version compared to the ps4 version...

For me, PES is game that is better played on pc because it needs a lot of editing. It lacks license, kits, face, stadiums. It also has no sliders, but you can edit stats with a couple of clicks.

 

[aussiepesfan]

For me, PES is game that is better played on pc because it needs a lot of editing. It lacks license, kits, face, stadiums. It also has no sliders, but you can edit stats with a couple of clicks.

.. agreed to some extent. I think with pes16, the customisations available for the pc version make it the better option. Although, I still think that the response and overall smoothness is best on the ps4. On the PC, every now and then I get a micro stutter, particularly after the ball goes into the goal mouth...not always, but that's when ive noticed it.

Pes14 is definitely smoother on the ps3... I know its low res (720p), but it just plays so much better on the ps3 - been playing we2014 Aoki Samurai and its very smooth, and I guess its the most advances version since it came out last. On the pc, the resolution is amazing (1080p) and the night grass is extraordinary, even compared with pes16. The colours are amazing with sweetfx, as are patches with correct kits, stadiums, balls etc. But for some reason pes2014 on pc just doesn't run as smooth.. its smooth mostly at 60fps, but you get these micro stutters occurring quite often.. could be my pc or the patching ive used. I just know its no where near as smooth or responsive as the ps3 versions. Its weird because both pes15 and 16 run much better on my pc.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

.. agreed to some extent. I think with pes16, the customisations available for the pc version make it the better option. Although, I still think that the response and overall smoothness is best on the ps4. On the PC, every now and then I get a micro stutter, particularly after the ball goes into the goal mouth...not always, but that's when ive noticed it.

Pes14 is definitely smoother on the ps3... I know its low res (720p), but it just plays so much better on the ps3 - been playing we2014 Aoki Samurai and its very smooth, and I guess its the most advances version since it came out last. On the pc, the resolution is amazing (1080p) and the night grass is extraordinary, even compared with pes16. The colours are amazing with sweetfx, as are patches with correct kits, stadiums, balls etc. But for some reason pes2014 on pc just doesn't run as smooth.. its smooth mostly at 60fps, but you get these micro stutters occurring quite often.. could be my pc or the patching ive used. I just know its no where near as smooth or responsive as the ps3 versions. Its weird because both pes15 and 16 run much better on my pc.

Man i remember one of last gen PES game had that bug where u scored and there was a 1 sec loading time but only then, if it havent went in there was nothing. Totaly took away the enjoyment.

You have to give the PES team some credit, they really put a lot of effort, time and talent into creating specific and new animations for individual players (player I.D). And quite a lot of players as well.

If they didn't care they wouldn't that.

EA doesn't even bother with that for Fifa. And it shows. Every player feels the same, except that one is maybe stronger, faster or slower.

Good Job Konami PES team.

Yeah and they said the same in interviews yet you buy the game and all the players shoot, pass, accelerate the same. So really do those few fancy moves make so much difference?

 

[aussiepesfan]

Man i remember one of last gen PES game had that bug where u scored and there was a 1 sec loading time but only then, if it havent went in there was nothing. Totaly took away the enjoyment.


.. haha yes I know what game that was, as its predecessor fixed this bug, and was one my all time favourite pes/we's. The bug was in WE7 (ps2), and there was a huge stutter every time a goal was scored, ball crossed the line (had to do with the whistle being blown). The stutter also occurred when the half time or full time whistle was blown. Then they came out with WE7 INTERNATIONAL (PS2) and this had no stutter at all... amazing game. Still own it today

PES2016 doesn't stutter nearly as bad on the pc. Runs great, but just every so often, when the ball crosses the goal line I see a micro stutter. Sometimes in gameplay as well, but I think that's just my PC doing other things in the background every so often. I definitely get more stutter in pes14 pc...a few times a game, otherwise it still runs quite smoothly.

 

[zeemeister]

Lol I thought is was a feature to add effect

Remember when PES had real goal celebrations and not this fifa copied shit.

 

[saintric]

PES has the basic approach right. Righter than FIFA. I mean, the way they understand football and how it's supposed to work on a game is the right way. But that's just the surface. They lack the content and variety.

Absolute spot on i own both games and FIFA as a whole package sure has some nice bells and whistles but its just not a realistic representation of football i know PES has some flaws with some important areas but i feel like im playing a football game

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

Absolute spot on i own both games and FIFA as a whole package sure has some nice bells and whistles but its just not a realistic representation of football i know PES has some flaws with some important areas but i feel like im playing a football game

sorry dude strongly disagree, as much of a pes fan i am, fifa is making more of an effort to become more sim that pes is atm, cos pes now to me is arcade, every player can do anything u would like them to do, as for fifa its not possible, it wasnt when the game first came out, dont know how it plays now with the latest patch tho, but the latest patch has turned off alot of people from what iv heard, as iv stated before, il be taking pes more seriously when u have to earn your space, passing and shooting depending on the player you have, then yes pes is making a comback, thats what alot of the hardcore players would like to see back.

 

[chiefrocka4real]

About that FIFA vs PES thing:

We all know that one does things better than the other.
Gotta say that I´m with Jimi and bonyi though, because to me, PES lost that variation, that anything-can-happen magic which it used to have for years compared to older FIFA releases.
But now, despite all the flaws, faces, less natural animations, momentum, awful online play, FIFA makes me bump my fist in the air when I score.

That anything-can-happen feeling is defo something that got taken over by EA.

But...
since I´ve been following the modding scene, there is some nice stuff out for PES 2016 (PC), like Sider (cam tool), graphic mods, squad patches etc etc...

which makes me wanna have a go on PES again.

I´m just scared that after the first cpu low shot in the corner it makes me wanna turn it off again...

 

[Chris Davies]

Remember when PES had real goal celebrations and not this fifa copied shit.

Yes!

I don't get the obsession with personalised celebrations on football games, you just end up looking like you're dragging a family of ducks behind you, and everyone does the same "I'm pretending to fall to the floor dead because that's vaguely offensive and I'm edgy" celebration on FIFA (I don't know what they do on PES because everyone skips each other's cut-scenes).

 

[chiefrocka4real]

I never really fell for that goal celebs on FIFA.
It´s a nice gimmick for the kiddies, also since you gotta do some button and stick combinations.

But PES making a half arsed copy of this....could have saved their time for something better...

 

[Ameppe]

sorry dude strongly disagree, as much of a pes fan i am, fifa is making more of an effort to become more sim that pes is atm, cos pes now to me is arcade, every player can do anything u would like them to do, as for fifa its not possible, it wasnt when the game first came out, dont know how it plays now with the latest patch tho, but the latest patch has turned off alot of people from what iv heard, as iv stated before, il be taking pes more seriously when u have to earn your space, passing and shooting depending on the player you have, then yes pes is making a comback, thats what alot of the hardcore players would like to see back.

Tuust me, the latest patch turned Fifa into an arcade game again. Plenty of counterattacks matches online. I see no difference between Pes online and Fifa online, both are arcade games even playing on Divisions or Seasons as they are called in Fifa.

I don't even think to play Myclub or FUT because i know i would be horrified by the completely different gameplay there.

 

[gerd]

Yes!

I don't get the obsession with personalised celebrations on football games, you just end up looking like you're dragging a family of ducks behind you.

Had to laugh about this, but i completely agree.
I also thought that the old PES celebrationswere better than the new ones who are like FIFA's...

Of course this is very subjective and hardly a major problem at all...

My son loves the FIFA celebrations (he only plays FIFA), he can do amazing ones...

 

[Chris Davies]

Had to laugh about this, but i completely agree.
I also thought that the old PES celebrationswere better than the new ones who are like FIFA's...

Of course this is very subjective and hardly a major problem at all...

My son loves the FIFA celebrations (he only plays FIFA), he can do amazing ones...

You're right, it's not exactly a major issue...

I find all the FIFA ones are there just to wind up the opponent, though. I only ever see the "drop down dead" celebration, the "ear to the crowd" celebration and that kind of thing. It's purely for kids.

And in PES, this is exactly what it looks like to me:

Spoiler

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

tried the game again after 3 months. man it is simple as a stick. so basic that there is nothing engaging in it. ISS Pro Evo had more depth and variaton with its 8 ...maybe 4(?) direction passing.

 

[Danny Henry]

I like the goal celebration. Its fun to jump on the adboards, the problem is that the goal scoring feeling dont match with the celebration. Gameplay its too shallow indeed.
I know that this is not the place but, ive tried Fifa 16 demo on pc. Man... I mean, CPU Ai is too direct and ping pong the passes and lacks of variations but its a very good game. Passing error and first time touches variation are incredible.
After that I played PES. The gameplay is way too simplistic.

Sorry for the bad english.

 

[Elja]

The new celebration system is great. Now I can run to the crowd, to the camera, to the corner flag, or pick up the ball. They only need to fix how the players follow the goal scorer in line like a family of ducks Chris said. And if you don't like the new celebration system, just don't press any thing after you score and the old pes style celebration is still there.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

i want to see a celebration where u go mad after your 6th goal and the captain comes over and puts the scorer and all the players to their place who celebrating the demolition of the smaller team Puyol style

 

[zeemeister]

That was as a barca fan a proud moment. What an extraordinary captain.

https://youtu.be/nZOESkiL0HM

 

[klashman69]

If starting to find PES 2014 enjoyable when playing it PES 2016 style on 1 bar (which feels like full manual) with manual shooting with the 1.16 patch.

There is no dribbling at all which is an issue, thng is the game feels pure, nice and refreshing even with all the flaws, i think its the lack of any tron running which makes this interesting now.

 

[geeeeee]

I prefer manual, as you shoot in the direction that youre pointing the left stick. Its very different to advanced and basic, since if you point 90 degrees up from the goal, itll go 90 degrees from the goal. On basic, if you point up, itll shoot for the left (facing) side of the goal. Advanced is similar, however you can shoot low, mid height, and top corner.

Btw, if you use manual shooting, I recommend also holding down L2, for the arrow indicator.. this is for better precise aiming... Generally I don't use the L2 indicator for manual passing, but for pes14 it definitely helpful. This is because for some reason manual passing on pes14 isn't as precise and easy to perform as it is in pes16. I never need to use the indicator for pes16 as manual passing is easier to perform...

Yeh I prefer manual shooting on 2014 too. But not with the arrows otherwise I feel like I'm cheating. It's definitely not as over powered as 2015 and 2016.

Had to laugh about this, but i completely agree.
I also thought that the old PES celebrations were better than the new ones who are like FIFA's...

Of course this is very subjective and hardly a major problem at all...

My son loves the FIFA celebrations (he only plays FIFA), he can do amazing ones...

Do you remember the old PES celebration when the player would start kicking his legs out and then start gyrating? It went on for about 5 mins
When I first saw that I completely lost it because I knew nothing about viewing the different celebrations in edit mode.

On the new ones I hate the one where the player just runs along the crowd with his arms out giving it attitude

If starting to find PES 2014 enjoyable when playing it PES 2016 style on 1 bar (which feels like full manual) with manual shooting with the 1.16 patch.

There is no dribbling at all which is an issue, thng is the game feels pure, nice and refreshing even with all the flaws, i think its the lack of any tron running which makes this interesting now.

I'm loving 2014 at the moment. I'm finding it so much better than 2016 and also 2015. The shots are not as overpowered, and there is a kind of randomness about the game. For example you get more deflections on shots and passes. And there are free kicks, yes it's great! There was one game I played, I was controlling Wright-Phillips, and there was a 50-50 ball Wrighty running along the touch line and the CPU player running from midfield trying to get there first. I knew Wrighty had more pace and I could see the out come. It was a Cameroon v Caniggia type tackle (90 World Cup) and I got the free kick. Only a small thing but it gave me joy to see that happen. In the newer ones the ref would probably play on.

At the moment it's feeling like a PS3 version of PES5.

I was reading the 2014 tactics thread Klashman and want to thank you for the info.

 

[Lami]

Yeh I prefer manual shooting on 2014 too. But not with the arrows otherwise I feel like I'm cheating. It's definitely not as over powered as 2015 and 2016.



Do you remember the old PES celebration when the player would start kicking his legs out and then start gyrating? It went on for about 5 mins
When I first saw that I completely lost it because I knew nothing about viewing the different celebrations in edit mode.

On the new ones I hate the one where the player just runs along the crowd with his arms out giving it attitude



I'm loving 2014 at the moment. I'm finding it so much better than 2016 and also 2015. The shots are not as overpowered, and there is a kind of randomness about the game. For example you get more deflections on shots and passes. And there are free kicks, yes it's great! There was one game I played, I was controlling Wright-Phillips, and there was a 50-50 ball Wrighty running along the touch line and the CPU player running from midfield trying to get there first. I knew Wrighty had more pace and I could see the out come. It was a Cameroon v Caniggia type tackle (90 World Cup) and I got the free kick. Only a small thing but it gave me joy to see that happen. In the newer ones the ref would probably play on.

At the moment it's feeling like a PS3 version of PES5.

I was reading the 2014 tactics thread Klashman and want to thank you for the info.

Only thing 2014 wouldn't let you run away with the ball from a slower defender though.

 

[zeemeister]

Honestly I still think the catch up bug is better to have with the inability of the AI defence to position itself better against counter attacks or overpowered strikers.

In its current state PES 2016 is too slanted in favour of counter attack.

Long balls or throughballs are near on impossible to defend consistently. Your defenders tend to not have pace or Konami have them take a step up before the turn back. I have seen it time and again my defender takes 2 steps forward before he turns to run after a much faster striker. The same rules dont apply for the AI defence though as they slide or block almost telepathically before my striker even thinks of getting the ball. Particulary with good defenders.

I can't help but think that Seabass would see these problems before or after release. The current team just do not which is a major worry. Or they see it and want it to be this way to appease the masses which is the worst scenario of all.

 

[geeeeee]

Only thing 2014 wouldn't let you run away with the ball from a slower defender though.

Oh no please dont point out its faults

That's why im refusing to read the 2014 thread

 

[chiefrocka4real]

Oh no please dont point out its faults

That's why im refusing to read the 2014 thread

Hadn´t that catch up bug been sorted out or at least toned down with one of the latest patches or at least yair´s or nesa´s gameplay patch?

can´t remember

 

[klashman69]

Only thing 2014 wouldn't let you run away with the ball from a slower defender though.

The issue comes with the poor responsiveness especially in the box.

 

[aussiepesfan]

.. there is a bit of a catch up bug with pes2014, but what certainly helps is getting away from your man with the first touch, especially when running onto the ball. I found that just before your player reaches the ball (has to happen before you get to the ball)you need to double press r1 and then quickly hold down r3. This allows your player to knock the ball the furthest (slightly more than the typical double tap r1).

What you can also do to beat another player, is dribble slowly diagonally one way, and as the defender approaches, double tap r1 + r3 in the opposite diagonal direction.. awesome way to take the ball away in a sudden knock on and sprint.

Speaking of pes14 dribbling, what I really like are the "small steps animation" that you take when you are slowing down (taking your hand of the left stick after moving in any direction). Very realistic, as you have more control and can then suddenly change direction, or take a shot. Something that isn't present in any other version, certainly not pes15 or 16. They really need these animations back....

And quickly about the manual shooting in pes14-16. I actually disagree with the fact that using the L2 arrow indicator for shooting is unrealistic or cheating. I think its more realistic than for a player to just point the controller in the direction unprecisely (if that's a word). In real life, particularly if the striker has time, he'll aim quite precisely towards a specific area of the goal. Even when you quite a bit of time and aren't under defender pressure, its still a challenge to do this with the arrow indicator, let alone when you are under pressure and need to use it quickly (ive stuffed up heaps of simple tap ins due to the pressure of having to hit a quick first timer). The only time I want shoot with the arrow indicator is if its an open goal, and im not far out, an simply need to hit in the general direction of the goal, like in real life - no real precision required. What needs to happen though, is that the arrow indicator should be harder to control (eg. overly sensitive) for the less able players... Konami also needs to incorporate, or at least have as an option, an error attribute for full manual passing/shooting, so that player individuality is present. If you point a certain direction (with arrow indicator) using a "not so great passer of the ball", the ball should rarely go exactly where that arrow is pointing. It should be variably skewed..
That and making it actually harder to control the indicator for less able player is the way forward.

 

[geeeeee]

Hadn´t that catch up bug been sorted out or at least toned down with one of the latest patches or at least yair´s or nesa´s gameplay patch?

can´t remember

Personally I haven't noticed the catch up bug in the games I've been playing recently.

Plus the long shooting was terrible. Almost impossible to score from more than 2 metres from outside the box. Keeper would always save it. Ridiculous.
That's one of the key features that has always made PES great, magic, unexpected long shots.

I'm still, really, really enjoying PES 2016 since I bought it again.

Oh no more negativety about 2014.

Maybe changing stats will improve it. Like reducing GK skill or giving more players Long Range Drive.

The issue comes with the poor responsiveness especially in the box.

Personally I don't mind the unresponsiveness, that's one reason why I prefer PES 5 on the PS2 more than the PC. There is a slight delay on PS2 which makes it slightly more challenging.

.. there is a bit of a catch up bug with pes2014, but what certainly helps is getting away from your man with the first touch, especially when running onto the ball. I found that just before your player reaches the ball (has to happen before you get to the ball)you need to double press r1 and then quickly hold down r3. This allows your player to knock the ball the furthest (slightly more than the typical double tap r1).

What you can also do to beat another player, is dribble slowly diagonally one way, and as the defender approaches, double tap r1 + r3 in the opposite diagonal direction.. awesome way to take the ball away in a sudden knock on and sprint.

Speaking of pes14 dribbling, what I really like are the "small steps animation" that you take when you are slowing down (taking your hand of the left stick after moving in any direction). Very realistic, as you have more control and can then suddenly change direction, or take a shot. Something that isn't present in any other version, certainly not pes15 or 16. They really need these animations back....

And quickly about the manual shooting in pes14-16. I actually disagree with the fact that using the L2 arrow indicator for shooting is unrealistic or cheating. I think its more realistic than for a player to just point the controller in the direction unprecisely (if that's a word). In real life, particularly if the striker has time, he'll aim quite precisely towards a specific area of the goal. Even when you quite a bit of time and aren't under defender pressure, its still a challenge to do this with the arrow indicator, let alone when you are under pressure and need to use it quickly (ive stuffed up heaps of simple tap ins due to the pressure of having to hit a quick first timer). The only time I want shoot with the arrow indicator is if its an open goal, and im not far out, an simply need to hit in the general direction of the goal, like in real life - no real precision required. What needs to happen though, is that the arrow indicator should be harder to control (eg. overly sensitive) for the less able players... Konami also needs to incorporate, or at least have as an option, an error attribute for full manual passing/shooting, so that player individuality is present. If you point a certain direction (with arrow indicator) using a "not so great passer of the ball", the ball should rarely go exactly where that arrow is pointing. It should be variably skewed..
That and making it actually harder to control the indicator for less able player is the way forward.

I enjoyed that positive post, thanks aussiepesfan