PES 2016 News & Discussion Thread

[Chris Davies]

So after I said a few pages back that I am done with PES2015, I am back to playing it again. I gave FIFA 2016 a go and after a few okish games and seeing a few fouls (which was fun) I started a league. But then I began to experience the running in "sludge " effect that FIFA brings. I cannot put my finger on it but the game sometimes becomes so unresponsive. Everybody starts running like they are in quick sand and the CPU selecting the wrong defender for me to control all adds up to some doodoo.

So I have decided to go back to my ML in PES2015. Yes it has its flaws and I feel that shooting is way overpowered but the AI is pretty good. After starting a league in every footy game available I'm actually looking forward to finishing a season for the first time since PES5.

All of that is exactly the situation I'm in, except replacing 2015 with 2013!

Over the last couple of weeks I've played so many football games in my frustration - including FIFA World Cup 2010 (which is fun but too fast and with a slightly weird difficulty setting - World Class and I won 2-1, Legendary and I lost by nine goals), plus FIFA 14, 15 and 16, along with PES 2013 to 2016 (and I've even bought the FIFA 14 World Cup game, which I don't think I've ever played).

It's amazing how they're all slightly different, and all flawed. PES 2013, for me, gets so much right, and yet after playing FWC 2010, I miss quick breakaways that are impossible in PES 2013 (defenders just catch up to you, there's never a burst of pace and the flow isn't capable of being as loose and unpredictable).

There seems to be a giant slider for every football game, between "rigid/all-nil-nils" and "free/high-scoring", with no game able to offer both depending on the opponent.

What a shit state of affairs, frankly!

 

[Paterson]

To those who keep playing PES 2015:

Are those CPU low shots in the corner in there as well?
And how about CPU fouls?

I haven´t played it enough to be able to remember.

I don't know about the low shots, but in PES 2015 there is a lack of CPU fouls, too.

 

[Lami]

I don't know about the low shots, but in PES 2015 there is a lack of CPU fouls, too.

It's just a tad better than 2016. Just.

 

[RAMAXWY]

You can get a good hard game out of PES 2016 if you set high pressure tactics to the AI. Its still full of flaws and issues buts its not just an easy arcade game like with default tactics.

Not in anyway saying this is good enough, its that it was the first times i played vs Bayern with the tactics i tested out and gave them and was happy the tron running wasn't working and i actually had a hard challenge.

 

[RAMAXWY]

FREE dlc, don't expect that much guys. For me it's normal, and nobody's here have buying the game for that.

At least we will don't have any fake players for all European NT.
I'm with you about the lack of stadiums in general, but for the Euro 2016 dlc it's not abnormal considering Konami's usual schedule (same thing for WC 2014 but without new licences at all)

Hey, its free, so........

 

[geeeeee]

To those who keep playing PES 2015:

Are those CPU low shots in the corner in there as well?
And how about CPU fouls?

I haven´t played it enough to be able to remember.

I personally find the shooting a lot more varied from the CPU in 2015. Although their shots are either on target or just wide or just over. I would like to see more wild shots from the CPU. I think the shooting is over powered in general, even on manual I can hit the target quite easy from distance. That's not a boast that's a gripe. Funny though when i'm quite close to goal I miss but 20 plus yards out I hit the target.

The CPU fouls are very very slightly more frequent in 2015. But not as bad as 2016. I'm on PS3 by the way.

All of that is exactly the situation I'm in, except replacing 2015 with 2013!

Over the last couple of weeks I've played so many football games in my frustration - including FIFA World Cup 2010 (which is fun but too fast and with a slightly weird difficulty setting - World Class and I won 2-1, Legendary and I lost by nine goals), plus FIFA 14, 15 and 16, along with PES 2013 to 2016 (and I've even bought the FIFA 14 World Cup game, which I don't think I've ever played).

It's amazing how they're all slightly different, and all flawed. PES 2013, for me, gets so much right, and yet after playing FWC 2010, I miss quick breakaways that are impossible in PES 2013 (defenders just catch up to you, there's never a burst of pace and the flow isn't capable of being as loose and unpredictable).

There seems to be a giant slider for every football game, between "rigid/all-nil-nils" and "free/high-scoring", with no game able to offer both depending on the opponent.

What a shit state of affairs, frankly!

I have been reading your posts on this thread and FIFA and I really feel your pain, just haven't had time to post.

I can see why you like 2013, but I have had so many nearly 'smash the controller' moments playing that game because I was given the wrong defender to control. And they don't make controllers like they used to like the Atari 2600 ones. Otherwise I think it is good too.

If I'm honest I think 2015 is the best of a bad bunch. I'm looking through the flaws and looking forward to managing different teams and national teams. Something I have not done before in a footy game because I never get through a season normally.

Kind of struggling to really experience those fist pumping moments though. Last night I was QPR v Fulham, 0-2 down after 10 mins but managed to bring it back to 2-2. But never really jumped out of my seat. I think there are more fist pumping moments in 2013 because it is harder to score.

 

[Chris Davies]

Kind of struggling to really experience those fist pumping moments though. Last night I was QPR v Fulham, 0-2 down after 10 mins but managed to bring it back to 2-2. But never really jumped out of my seat. I think there are more fist pumping moments in 2013 because it is harder to score.

This is the one thing I feel like PES has totally lost. When I score in PES 2016, it never feels like the goal is my hard work or ingenuity, so there's no joy in it whatsoever.

I score from headers and the ball will go the complete opposite direction to what I'd intended, and instead of jumping for joy, I just think "that wasn't really me scoring, was it, that was a bit rubbish".

It's the same on shots - I'll call up the manual pass/shot arrow, hit shoot, and it will fly past the goalkeeper. There's no "YES, I chose the right shot type for that situation, and hit it with the right amount of power", because it's such an easy goal to score over and over. It's like getting a par in a round of golf, almost. You just move onto the next hole.

I've seen a few replays of great goals that people have uploaded, but they're one-offs from miles out that I'd never even try because I wouldn't in reality. Basic shots, which is about 90% of the shots you'll take in the game (and in real life), are all so identical.

In PES 2013, after hitting maybe 100 shots over 10-12 games, I'll hit a desperate shot in a random league game with a defender chasing me, and the player - seemingly breaking the "rules" of the game - will hit an absolute power-shot, really getting his foot behind it in a way you'll only see once-in-a-while - and you jump for joy and shout "HOLY SHIT".

I've also hit a shot that the striker drove into the ground, the ball bounced up with severe spin on it, hit the post, and the spin transfer took the ball over the line. I've not seen anything like that in PES 2016 (I'm sure someone will have a video of something like that happening, but I've played plenty of games with plenty of different teams and I've not seen a goal that was similarly "complicated").

When you make shooting and passing so utterly identical and repeatable, like in PES 2016, you take away all the individuality and all the fun. It may as well be Pong.

 

[geeeeee]

This is the one thing I feel like PES has totally lost. When I score in PES 2016, it never feels like the goal is my hard work or ingenuity, so there's no joy in it whatsoever.

I score from headers and the ball will go the complete opposite direction to what I'd intended, and instead of jumping for joy, I just think "that wasn't really me scoring, was it, that was a bit rubbish".

It's the same on shots - I'll call up the manual pass/shot arrow, hit shoot, and it will fly past the goalkeeper. There's no "YES, I chose the right shot type for that situation, and hit it with the right amount of power", because it's such an easy goal to score over and over. It's like getting a par in a round of golf, almost. You just move onto the next hole.

I've seen a few replays of great goals that people have uploaded, but they're one-offs from miles out that I'd never even try because I wouldn't in reality. Basic shots, which is about 90% of the shots you'll take in the game (and in real life), are all so identical.

In PES 2013, after hitting maybe 100 shots over 10-12 games, I'll hit a desperate shot in a random league game with a defender chasing me, and the player - seemingly breaking the "rules" of the game - will hit an absolute power-shot, really getting his foot behind it in a way you'll only see once-in-a-while - and you jump for joy and shout "HOLY SHIT".

I've also hit a shot that the striker drove into the ground, the ball bounced up with severe spin on it, hit the post, and the spin transfer took the ball over the line. I've not seen anything like that in PES 2016 (I'm sure someone will have a video of something like that happening, but I've played plenty of games with plenty of different teams and I've not seen a goal that was similarly "complicated").

When you make shooting and passing so utterly identical and repeatable, like in PES 2016, you take away all the individuality and all the fun. It may as well be Pong.

I totally agree with what you say about 2013. It took me ages to get used to the manual shooting and I would get fed up when Kranjcar would hit powder puff shots. But once manual shooting 'clicked' with me, I realised it was because of his body shape or wrong foot. When I got it right it was such a fantastic feeling getting a good shot away, even if it was saved or off target. And I knew that Kranjcar and Barton were the only ones to pull off 20-30 yarders, so I would try to give them the ball in space really trying to work that opening, but once you get it it's fantastic. Whereas in the new ones, anybody can shoot from anywhere with a powerful shot on target. When I see video's of wonder goals in PES nowadays it does nothing for me. I would prefer to see wonder goals from the CPU. When I see the CPU score a wonder goal, that is a fist pumping moment.

Hmm.. I'm kinda talking myself back into 2013

 

[Chris Davies]

Hmm.. I'm kinda talking myself back into 2013

They all do different things, and no matter which you pick you end up missing elements of a different game. I get the ball to a winger in a great position in PES 2013, and my instinct is to excitedly run forward into space - except within seconds, a marker has caught up to me, and is glued to me, and I can't do anything exciting.

So I switch to PES 2015, but then I miss the variety in the shooting, and the response times.

So I switch to FWC 2010, looking for excitement, but then the gameplay is much more basic and direct...

So I switch to FIFA 16, and suddenly it's all a midfield slog, there's no flow, and Burnley play like Barcelona...

So then I give up and play Football Manager.

Until I lose...

Then I switch back to PES 2013...

And the cycle repeats...

Forever...

And ever...

I have to admit, I'm really loving the game since I re-bought it.

Give it a while longer and I'd be willing to bet those issues you talk about become too frustrating to forgive!

 

[Ameppe]

When i say not a single Pes since Pes 6 feels complete that is what i was referring to.

Pes 6 and every Pes before had everything with the right balance, that's because they kept improving and tweaking the gameplay while keeping the good elements that worked. I don't really feel Pes 2016 needed to be so different from Pes 2016 yet they decided for whatever reason to make things worse.

They could have used Pes 2015 as a base, but no, they decided to make passing assistance, pace of the match, goalkeepers, referees, worse compared to Pes 2015.

I don't really understand why.

 

[zeemeister]

ffs Chris.

 

[Lami]

Hmm.. I'm kinda talking myself back into 2013

I'd play 2013 but I don't like the way they run and dribble. Animations way off.

It's fast (especially on + 2 I love it!)

Wut..?

They all do different things, and no matter which you pick you end up missing elements of a different game. I get the ball to a winger in a great position in PES 2013, and my instinct is to excitedly run forward into space - except within seconds, a marker has caught up to me, and is glued to me, and I can't do anything exciting.

So I switch to PES 2015, but then I miss the variety in the shooting, and the response times.

So I switch to FWC 2010, looking for excitement, but then the gameplay is much more basic and direct...

So I switch to FIFA 16, and suddenly it's all a midfield slog, there's no flow, and Burnley play like Barcelona...

So then I give up and play Football Manager.

Until I lose...

Then I switch back to PES 2013...

And the cycle repeats...

Forever...

And ever...


Give it a while longer and I'd be willing to bet those issues you talk about become too frustrating to forgive!

For the love of God Chris, give yourself a break! You're depressing yourself.

When i say not a single Pes since Pes 6 feels complete that is what i was referring to.

Pes 6 and every Pes before had everything with the right balance, that's because they kept improving and tweaking the gameplay while keeping the good elements that worked. I don't really feel Pes 2016 needed to be so different from Pes 2016 yet they decided for whatever reason to make things worse.

They could have used Pes 2015 as a base, but no, they decided to make passing assistance, pace of the match, goalkeepers, referees, worse compared to Pes 2015.

I don't really understand why.

Because instead of tweaking sticking to their vision (Seabass), they're constantly lost and changing chasing after a different crowd to please.

Stop depressing everyone, chris.

Lol.

 

[geeeeee]

They all do different things, and no matter which you pick you end up missing elements of a different game. I get the ball to a winger in a great position in PES 2013, and my instinct is to excitedly run forward into space - except within seconds, a marker has caught up to me, and is glued to me, and I can't do anything exciting.

So I switch to PES 2015, but then I miss the variety in the shooting, and the response times.

So I switch to FWC 2010, looking for excitement, but then the gameplay is much more basic and direct...

So I switch to FIFA 16, and suddenly it's all a midfield slog, there's no flow, and Burnley play like Barcelona...

So then I give up and play Football Manager.

Until I lose...

Then I switch back to PES 2013...

And the cycle repeats...

Forever...

And ever...

I agree, that is why I haven't been able to complete a whole season in a footy game for ages.

 

[klashman69]

Ok guys in regards to the tron running issue with PES 2016, what is fascinating is i played PES 2014 again and there is NO tron running in PES 2014!

On PES 2014 players do not run in a looped repeat animation like in PES 2016, the running in real time and each touch of the ball is generated.

This shows just how much Konami stick to a 3 year plan. Nothing has changed in the core whatsoever since PES 2014, infact they have made the game less realistic on purpose to make the game playable.

 

[B-Man]

Bigol83 over at WENB with good sales numbers math and info on 2015 to 2016

http://winningelevenblog.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23692&p=439952#p439952

Confirmation of what I been hearing for awhile sales were poor and not what Konami was expecting especially after the good reviews and awards. Now I KNOW they also made a ton of money on myClub. They maybe dumb when it comes to PR but they know where the money is at and it's in myClub and micro transactions. Also, Konami is no longer listed on the US/UK Stock Exchange whatever that means...

If they keep losing big licenses as I expect them to do I only see free-to-play myClub in the future if PES is to exist. It's where the money is at. And if I was a higher up at Konami, its what I would focus on. Milk the myClub crowd until practically most of the 2 mill fans go to FIFA and the economics don't make sense anymore then call it a quits.

Damn it I sound like Chris lol

 

[Elja]

I have to admit, I'm really loving the game since I re-bought it.

It feels like a modern PS2 PES game to me. It's fast (especially on + 2 I love it!), fluid, extremely responsive, fun with very good player individuality and animations.

The well known issues are irritating at times - low shooting, defender gaps, etc - but they don't seem to bother me that much anymore to be honest, especially not in multiplayer. I was too blind and critical to see that when I first played and sold the game way back in November.

I can totally see why it was such a critic's darling and why a lot of older PES fans have taken a shine to it, well not all of them, but many.

It is a good game, they only need to fix certain things like the team spirit system, AI defending, AI shooting variety, and the referees (especially the advantage play system).

But tbf players do tend to shoot low irl anyway, unless it's a volley or first time shot. But giving more variety is a must for PES 2017, a nice top corner goal from the AI is a good thing to see too.

 

[Elja]

Well well, if myclub is where the money is then bad future for offline sim players. I can definitely move easily to FIFA, as I play both games every year despite being more of a PES fan, and I can still play PES 2013 with mods. no worries for me

 

[Lami]

This shows just how much Konami stick to a 3 year plan. Nothing has changed in the core whatsoever since PES 2014, infact they have made the game less realistic on purpose to make the game playable.

And what a coincidence that is. I met Adam at Konami's convention in Dubai to test PES 2014 and it played like an almost simulation dream. He asks for my opinion and he can see my eyes filled with happiness. I then play with a Persian guy who's a Fifa fan. The whole time I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Coming from PES 2013 this looked so real. Obviously I didn't have time to see it's imperfections yet. The Persian guy however kept complaining 'It's not fast. Fifa is better'. Asim later comes out pooping on the game to no end (from a different play test) and praises Fifa. 2 years later, Asim praises PES 2016 to no end, while us PES retards are unhappy.

Well, you get the picture. If this trend continues, which I hope it doesn't, then PES will have successfully become Fifa's dog, instead of a competitor. And we know what that means.



EDIT: I'd like to clarify something so some don't take this the wrong way. When I say 'Fifa this and that', it's nothing degrading. It just means I prefer PES' style over Fifa's, and I don't want PES to become a clone of another game. In fact, I don't want Fifa to become a PES clone. Each has it's fans and it should stay that way. You can't please everyone with just one type of game. And I would love to see many more football games made instead of just these two, to see the different ideas and approaches they implement.

 

[Chuny]

PES 2013 dribbling was the best I've experienced, IMHO. With some more animations variety it would have been perfect.

Players like Hazard, Messi, Ronaldo, Robben, etc are amazing to dribble with and take on defenders. Ronaldo's running and dribbling animation was perfect. Messi kept the ball glued to his left foot just like in real life.

 

[wkhalil]

I'd advise to play on full manual and it feels so much nicer, thats about it though i mean the game is still heavily flawed and it should still be easy, but it becomes a like i think shez said a like 'fun ipad game'.

PES 2016 is way too flawed to simulate football in a challenging way.

PES 2016 is easy on full manual? how easy and on which level? I must be really behind on my skill level because I find it very challenging...

 

[Tinker]

And what a coincidence that is. I met Adam at Konami's convention in Dubai to test PES 2014 and it played like an almost simulation dream. He asks for my opinion and he can see my eyes filled with happiness. I then play with a Persian guy who's a Fifa fan. The whole time I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Coming from PES 2013 this looked so real. Obviously I didn't have time to see it's imperfections yet. The Persian guy however kept complaining 'It's not fast. Fifa is better'. Asim later comes out pooping on the game to no end (from a different play test) and praises Fifa. 2 years later, Asim praises PES 2016 to no end, while us PES retards are unhappy.

I am completely with you here. PES 2014 had so much good in it, so much promise, and for once it seamed Konami knew what their vision was. And now PES 2016.. for me it's the worst PES, probably ever. Can't play it more than 5 minutes. It's not football anymore.

 

[gerd]

It seems as if PES2014 suddenly seems a very good game now.
I remeber saying here that although it was a broken game, it was a good base to work on. I was laughed at, i was the biggest fanboy in the world.

Suppose that you work with Konami and based on the evo-web "feedback", what would you do for the next game? I would hang myself.

I'm genuinely aware that Konami keep shooting itself in the foot, but they aren't helped very much by the feedback from sites like this.

And B-man, why don't you are more critical when you come on the WENB-podcast? You are trying to be funny, but imo what you say about the game on that podcast doesn't make very much sense.

To my astonishment what you write here is rather good and makes sense. Who is the real one? The one on this site or the one on the WENB-podcast.

I think a guy like Bhatti genuinely wants to listen to the fans (because he himself is a big fan too), but it is very hard to go to one direction listening to what people say on sites like this one.

Conclusion: yes Konami are fucking up, but the fans too...(except me of course).

 

[Lami]

Always remember you are one of the 4

 

[robbieryan]

PES14 was good in my opinion! much rather that than a 100mph arcade mess. somewhere inbetween that and what we have now would be great

 

[Chris Davies]

And B-man, why don't you are more critical when you come on the WENB-podcast? You are trying to be funny, but imo what you say about the game on that podcast doesn't make very much sense.

To my astonishment what you write here is rather good and makes sense. Who is the real one? The one on this site or the one on the WENB-podcast.

Do you think he'd be invited onto the WENB podcast if he was as blunt as he is here? (Not a chance.)

Better to have a voice and criticise one thing, than have none and criticise every thing.

Then you'd just be, well, me...

 

[Paterson]

Yes, PES 2014 was good (after they fixed the catch-up Bug), but the ML was ridiculous. It was nothing, just game after game with no news, pictures, cutscenes, etc.

Although the introduction of the fox engine was great!

But especially after the great ML of PES 2013, the ML of PES 2014 was a really big disappointment.

 

[robbieryan]

Yes, PES 2014 was good (after they fixed the catch-up Bug), but the ML was ridiculous. It was nothing, just game after game with no news, pictures, cutscenes, etc.

Although the introduction of the fox engine was great!

But especially after the great ML of PES 2013, the ML of PES 2014 was a really big disappointment.

Every game of this era has had it's flaws and it's inexplicable regression of gameplay elements or features. It just seems to be Konami's mean way of doing things. bringing you something great with one hand but taking away something great with another.

 

[Chris Davies]

Every game of this era has had it's flaws and it's inexplicable regression of gameplay elements or features. It just seems to be Konami's mean way of doing things. bringing you something great with one hand but taking away something great with another.

Yep, and with the pacing stuff, I think they've said "okay, here's a slower, more realistic game, do the reviewers like this - no, okay here's a faster, less attribute-driven game, do the reviewers like this - YES, okay, do they like a prettier, more simplified game - they called it the BEST FOOTBALL GAME EVER!"

It's all downhill from here.

 

[robbieryan]

Yep, and with the pacing stuff, I think they've said "okay, here's a slower, more realistic game, do the reviewers like this - no, okay here's a faster, less attribute-driven game, do the reviewers like this - YES, okay, do they like a prettier, more simplified game - they called it the BEST FOOTBALL GAME EVER!"

It's all downhill from here.

you just have to have hope that Adam, who is a PES guy through and through no matter what you think of him, knows deep down what the true fans are thinking and will try and push towards consistent improvement. In fact I think with such critical acclaim, now would be the perfect time to slowly tweak the game towards a realistic experience, I don't think the reviewers would settle for stagnation that's for sure and I don't think there's any possible way they could further tweak the game in the direction it changed over the last year otherwise it would be 200mph pace and shooting with absolutely no fouls!

 

[Paterson]

Every game of this era has had it's flaws and it's inexplicable regression of gameplay elements or features. It just seems to be Konami's mean way of doing things. bringing you something great with one hand but taking away something great with another.

Yep, seems like that.