PES 2016 News & Discussion Thread

aussiepesfan said:
.. there is a bit of a catch up bug with pes2014, but what certainly helps is getting away from your man with the first touch, especially when running onto the ball. I found that just before your player reaches the ball (has to happen before you get to the ball)you need to double press r1 and then quickly hold down r3. This allows your player to knock the ball the furthest (slightly more than the typical double tap r1).

What you can also do to beat another player, is dribble slowly diagonally one way, and as the defender approaches, double tap r1 + r3 in the opposite diagonal direction.. awesome way to take the ball away in a sudden knock on and sprint.

Speaking of pes14 dribbling, what I really like are the "small steps animation" that you take when you are slowing down (taking your hand of the left stick after moving in any direction). Very realistic, as you have more control and can then suddenly change direction, or take a shot. Something that isn't present in any other version, certainly not pes15 or 16. They really need these animations back....

And quickly about the manual shooting in pes14-16. I actually disagree with the fact that using the L2 arrow indicator for shooting is unrealistic or cheating. I think its more realistic than for a player to just point the controller in the direction unprecisely (if that's a word). In real life, particularly if the striker has time, he'll aim quite precisely towards a specific area of the goal. Even when you quite a bit of time and aren't under defender pressure, its still a challenge to do this with the arrow indicator, let alone when you are under pressure and need to use it quickly (ive stuffed up heaps of simple tap ins due to the pressure of having to hit a quick first timer). The only time I want shoot with the arrow indicator is if its an open goal, and im not far out, an simply need to hit in the general direction of the goal, like in real life - no real precision required. What needs to happen though, is that the arrow indicator should be harder to control (eg. overly sensitive) for the less able players... Konami also needs to incorporate, or at least have as an option, an error attribute for full manual passing/shooting, so that player individuality is present. If you point a certain direction (with arrow indicator) using a "not so great passer of the ball", the ball should rarely go exactly where that arrow is pointing. It should be variably skewed..
That and making it actually harder to control the indicator for less able player is the way forward.
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This is the 'Tron Running' issue which spoils PES 2016 especially where players stay in a straight line while holding down sprint as if they are a riding a tron bike.
 
Jimi_Zuko said:
sorry dude strongly disagree, as much of a pes fan i am, fifa is making more of an effort to become more sim that pes is atm, cos pes now to me is arcade, every player can do anything u would like them to do, as for fifa its not possible, it wasnt when the game first came out, dont know how it plays now with the latest patch tho, but the latest patch has turned off alot of people from what iv heard, as iv stated before, il be taking pes more seriously when u have to earn your space, passing and shooting depending on the player you have, then yes pes is making a comback, thats what alot of the hardcore players would like to see back.
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I totally respect your opinion buddy it would be foolish if i claimed pes was a better overall package than fifa i was just looking at them from their basic first layers to me football is explosive mistakes at top level are mimimal by professional players (hence why any mistake makes headlines) but sadly its too far in that direction in pes passing dribbling ect is TOO easy the smoothness is just right tho

fifa has also gone too far in one direction i mean i love the more sim direction but wayyy too often the players feel so stupid at times running into each other skewing simple passes its a bit of a slog like controlling 11 sunday league player imo anyway

Both games AI vs CPU is pretty terrible for a 2016 game too much to ever point out so i wont bother
 
zeemeister said:
In other news Asim is now Social media manager for KonamiUK
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Il Grande Silenzio said:
It means fans that hate PES 2016 will surely hate PES 2017 as well since he and Adam think 2016 is the best game ever.

I like it too so I'm not too fussed about it.

Then again, I seriously doubt Asim or even Adam for that matter have any influence on the development of PES at all.
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I doubt they even communicate with the team in Japan. You do you're job, we do ours.
 
saintric said:
I totally respect your opinion buddy it would be foolish if i claimed pes was a better overall package than fifa i was just looking at them from their basic first layers to me football is explosive mistakes at top level are mimimal by professional players (hence why any mistake makes headlines) but sadly its too far in that direction in pes passing dribbling ect is TOO easy the smoothness is just right tho

fifa has also gone too far in one direction i mean i love the more sim direction but wayyy too often the players feel so stupid at times running into each other skewing simple passes its a bit of a slog like controlling 11 sunday league player imo anyway

Both games AI vs CPU is pretty terrible for a 2016 game too much to ever point out so i wont bother
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dont get me wrong fifa does have some serious faults, i was more referring to the individuality side of things, fifa did alot better before the patches destroyed the game, i really like how NOT every player had the same type of pass, first touches was also better presented t as well as the agility of the player, shooting too had a variety of individuality, those areas brang back the old days for me, but the player models and lack of variety of AI team tactics screen turned me off the game alot, these key areas are a minimum for me to be fixed for pes17, both games still need alot of deep work.
 
Jimi_Zuko said:
makes alot of fkn sense now why he's defending the game from its faults, if they listen to him more this game will remain the same as it is RIP PES
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all he's going to do is run the social media accounts, not exactly the new Seabass. that's not a dig at him or anything, just saying there's no point saying he's going to come in and make the game worse or anything.

At least he'll be towing the party line in an official capacity now rather than in his previous 'unofficial' capacity
 
robbieryan said:
all he's going to do is run the social media accounts, not exactly the new Seabass. that's not a dig at him or anything, just saying there's no point saying he's going to come in and make the game worse or anything.

At least he'll be towing the party line in an official capacity now rather than in his previous 'unofficial' capacity
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it depends, the way he wants pes to be could have some influence which already has cos he will be working closer with adam, and its not the direction i would like to see the game go, i do hope im wrong.
 
In fairness I think social media/community management is what Asim done for a job before Konami.

Saying that, God knows where the job was advertised and I always have an eye open for konami jobs just on the very unlikely off chance they want to hire a QA guy in the UK to fix their shit up :D

You can see why people think it's a bit 'jobs for the boys' even though it may not be
 
yeah I get you and i'm not defending the appointment or saying it's a good one. I guess it was just so predictable I find it difficult to give a reaction other than rolling my eyes. I bet people would be reading this news now thinking 'huh, didn't Asim already work for konami?'.

When I first started reading WENB I was under the impression that Asim was a FIFA fan that Adam was trying to convert into a PES fan so personally I find it hard to shake off that impression of him. While that may well be an incorrect assumption from me brought simply by timing of when I first started hearing stuff from him, what's definitely true is that he seems to prefer the FIFA style elements that have made their way into recent PES games (laser bullet shooting, OP finesse shooting, lightning pace etc) the more the game has suited his own personal tastes, the more the brickwall and meltdown approach to criticism has reared its head (including the cheek of telling people to stop whinging that the game doesn't play specifically to their tastes) and has culminated in a job at Konami.

like I said though, being a social media manager doesn't (or shouldn't) give any influence on game development. the only difference now though is no matter what direction the game goes in, he won't be able to air any criticism this time., ironic when there are many people who give his opinions credibility simply on the slating of that PES14 preview.
 
In a few years (two or three max) if things don't change Adam will be surprised Pes development will stop. Because sales show that's the way Pes is going to.
 
Jimi_Zuko said:
dont get me wrong fifa does have some serious faults, i was more referring to the individuality side of things, fifa did alot better before the patches destroyed the game, i really like how NOT every player had the same type of pass, first touches was also better presented t as well as the agility of the player, shooting too had a variety of individuality, those areas brang back the old days for me, but the player models and lack of variety of AI team tactics screen turned me off the game alot, these key areas are a minimum for me to be fixed for pes17, both games still need alot of deep work.
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First touch is one of the things that is so poorly implemented this year, its unbelievable how bad it is in comparison to what was once very good in Pes 2014 from what I can remember (I played pes 2014 few times tho).

Its very unrealistic and its individuality is almos bo existent as well. The game doesnt make you think that its better not holding down the sprint button non stop when recieving a pass, otherwise your player will unwittingly hit the ball few meters away, wich could give the opponent team the chance to anticipate and steal the ball, and thats one of the big reasons why we have no exciting midfield battle on this game (along with very poor CPU AI who just drop back, has no desire to anticipate to any play and intercept a pass, and it also has zero sense aggressiveness).

Theres almos no risk of loosing ball possession by overhitting a pass, making it harder for the recieving pass temmate to control the ball. When you know you made pass faster than you should, it doesnt matter how close the target teammate is from the player that made the pass and it doesnt matter his atributes, the ball just strangely go up a bit and then the player cam keep controlling it perfectly.

Pes 2016 has clearly a more arcade approach and, unfortunetly, nothing suggests that this will change.
 
Hey guys,

Posted this on WENB earlier and thought it may apply here as well:

Reading the posts the past few days and wanted to reach out to you all who keep this thing going!

First, congrats to Asim he worked extremely hard on WENB and NGB and always wanted a career in the gaming industry and all his hard work has paid off. He is a true go-getter. Did knowing Adam help him get his foot in the door? I'm sure it did but networking is part of the business world I do it everyday so you can't fault Asim for his connections. Connections are how I got into my current career.

I know there are people on these forums who have had bad experiences with Asim or Adam either here or on twitter. Anyone who personally knows me, knows I like to stay out of other peoples business. It's how I always have been. Asim and I had an argument not too long ago with some back and forth on twitter that we both took out of context when we spoke privately so I do know from personal experience it is hard to gauge the context of a conversation on twitter with limited characters and not understanding the way someone is trying to express themselves. Regardless, having spoke to them they know they could have handled some things differently so you live and learn nobody is perfect.

My relationship with them is great. I hope that means great things for all of us as well. Being critical of PES the past few years and knowing my criticisms which-- are shared by a lot of you here--have been taken on board by Konami is great to hear. I want all of you to know I will continue to send feedback from you guys DIRECTLY to both Adam and Asim... **** that survey bullshit lol

We all want the PES we grew up with. The one with depth that we grew up playing, the one with a balanced mix of sim and fun. I'm hearing good things that the hardcore fans will be rewarded this year. We won't know for sure until we get our hands on it. After two years of trying to reach as many fans as possible I look forward to the core being rewarded for there loyalty and love of PES. I hope it works out that way. Also from all indications, PES is making good money and isn't going anywhere in the near future. I did speculate free-to-play in 2-3 years but if I'm wrong and it appears I am then that is great news for us.

As far as the site, I think Suff and I will be doing WENB podcasts. Not sure if Nico and Adam Neaves will be joining us. But my goal is to have one of you guys on each podcast. A hardcore guy joining us each time I think will be great. Gives people a voice on the airwaves. I'm all about the fans yo.

Finally, there is a new project being worked on. More social media side of things not affiliated with WENB. Myself, Suff, Jose & Nestor formally of FSB and Charles from Footy United will be doing video casts every 2-4 weeks focusing each week on a different aspect of FIFA/PES gameplay with video analyzation edited by none other than Mr. Gari Clark. Providing visual feedback is more powerful than talking about issues. For example, and this is just an example, say the next video cast in 3 weeks is focuses on defensive A.I. We will have an account for fans to send us videos of defensive A.I. things they like or need to be changed and we can address them and analyze them. It can be from any game. If there is something awesome from PES 6 that isn't around anymore and fits the topic we are talking about in the next video cast send it over!

I hope this is something football gaming fans in general will be interested it. More to come on this in the near future.

I'd love to give guys on hear a voice. So if any of you would like to join a PES Podcast in the future and speak decent English let me know. Positive or negative. I have no agenda. My only agenda is whether PES or FIFA I just want to play a damn good football game!
 
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B-Man said:
Hey guys,

Posted this on WENB earlier and thought it may apply here as well:

Reading the posts the past few days and wanted to reach out to you all who keep this thing going!

First, congrats to Asim he worked extremely hard on WENB and NGB and always wanted a career in the gaming industry and all his hard work has paid off. He is a true go-getter. Did knowing Adam help him get his foot in the door? I'm sure it did but networking is part of the business world I do it everyday so you can't fault Asim for his connections. Connections are how I got into my current career.

I know there are people on these forums who have had bad experiences with Asim or Adam either here or on twitter. Anyone who personally knows me, knows I like to stay out of other peoples business. It's how I always have been. Asim and I had an argument not too long ago with some back and forth on twitter that we both took out of context when we spoke privately so I do know from personal experience it is hard to gauge the context of a conversation on twitter with limited characters and not understanding the way someone is trying to express themselves. Regardless, having spoke to them they know they could have handled some things differently so you live and learn nobody is perfect.

My relationship with them is great. I hope that means great things for all of us as well. Being critical of PES the past few years and knowing my criticisms which-- are shared by a lot of you here--have been taken on board by Konami is great to hear. I want all of you to know I will continue to send feedback from you guys DIRECTLY to both Adam and Asim... **** that survey bullshit lol

We all want the PES we grew up with. The one with depth that we grew up playing, the one with a balanced mix of sim and fun. I'm hearing good things that the hardcore fans will be rewarded this year. We won't know for sure until we get our hands on it. After two years of trying to reach as many fans as possible I look forward to the core being rewarded for there loyalty and love of PES. I hope it works out that way. Also from all indications, PES is making good money and isn't going anywhere in the near future. I did speculate free-to-play in 2-3 years but if I'm wrong and it appears I am then that is great news for us.

As far as the site, I think Suff and I will be doing WENB podcasts. Not sure if Nico and Adam Neaves will be joining us. But my goal is to have one of you guys on each podcast. A hardcore guy joining us each time I think will be great. Gives people a voice on the airwaves. I'm all about the fans yo.

Finally, there is a new project being worked on. More social media side of things not affiliated with WENB. Myself, Suff, Jose & Nestor formally of FSB and Charles from Footy United will be doing video casts every 2-4 weeks focusing each week on a different aspect of FIFA/PES gameplay with video analyzation edited by none other than Mr. Gari Clark. Providing visual feedback is more powerful than talking about issues. For example, and this is just an example, say the next video cast in 3 weeks is focuses on defensive A.I. We will have an account for fans to send us videos of defensive A.I. things they like or need to be changed and we can address them and analyze them. It can be from any game. If there is something awesome from PES 6 that isn't around anymore and fits the topic we are talking about in the next video cast send it over!

I hope this is something football gaming fans in general will be interested it. More to come on this in the near future.

I'd love to give guys on hear a voice. So if any of you would like to join a PES Podcast in the future and speak decent English let me know. Positive or negative. I have no agenda. My only agenda is whether PES or FIFA I just want to play a damn good football game!
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I have a lot of respect for you b-man keep up the good work.
 
B-Man said:
Asim and I had an argument not too long ago with some back and forth on twitter that we both took out of context when we spoke privately so I do know from personal experience it is hard to gauge the context of a conversation on twitter with limited characters and not understanding the way someone is trying to express themselves. Regardless, having spoke to them they know they could have handled some things differently so you live and learn nobody is perfect.
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Agree that it is hard to express what we really feel or think with limited characters in twitter, but blocking people for being critical is just about personality, he needs to change as he is now official konami.
 
Elja said:
Agree that it is hard to express what we really feel or think with limited characters in twitter, but blocking people for being critical is just about personality, he needs to change as he is now official konami.
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Adam is official Konami as well and hasn't changed. Don't keep your hopes up
 
B-Man said:
Hey guys,

Posted this on WENB earlier and thought it may apply here as well:

Reading the posts the past few days and wanted to reach out to you all who keep this thing going!

First, congrats to Asim he worked extremely hard on WENB and NGB and always wanted a career in the gaming industry and all his hard work has paid off. He is a true go-getter. Did knowing Adam help him get his foot in the door? I'm sure it did but networking is part of the business world I do it everyday so you can't fault Asim for his connections. Connections are how I got into my current career.

I know there are people on these forums who have had bad experiences with Asim or Adam either here or on twitter. Anyone who personally knows me, knows I like to stay out of other peoples business. It's how I always have been. Asim and I had an argument not too long ago with some back and forth on twitter that we both took out of context when we spoke privately so I do know from personal experience it is hard to gauge the context of a conversation on twitter with limited characters and not understanding the way someone is trying to express themselves. Regardless, having spoke to them they know they could have handled some things differently so you live and learn nobody is perfect.

My relationship with them is great. I hope that means great things for all of us as well. Being critical of PES the past few years and knowing my criticisms which-- are shared by a lot of you here--have been taken on board by Konami is great to hear. I want all of you to know I will continue to send feedback from you guys DIRECTLY to both Adam and Asim... **** that survey bullshit lol

We all want the PES we grew up with. The one with depth that we grew up playing, the one with a balanced mix of sim and fun. I'm hearing good things that the hardcore fans will be rewarded this year. We won't know for sure until we get our hands on it. After two years of trying to reach as many fans as possible I look forward to the core being rewarded for there loyalty and love of PES. I hope it works out that way. Also from all indications, PES is making good money and isn't going anywhere in the near future. I did speculate free-to-play in 2-3 years but if I'm wrong and it appears I am then that is great news for us.

As far as the site, I think Suff and I will be doing WENB podcasts. Not sure if Nico and Adam Neaves will be joining us. But my goal is to have one of you guys on each podcast. A hardcore guy joining us each time I think will be great. Gives people a voice on the airwaves. I'm all about the fans yo.

Finally, there is a new project being worked on. More social media side of things not affiliated with WENB. Myself, Suff, Jose & Nestor formally of FSB and Charles from Footy United will be doing video casts every 2-4 weeks focusing each week on a different aspect of FIFA/PES gameplay with video analyzation edited by none other than Mr. Gari Clark. Providing visual feedback is more powerful than talking about issues. For example, and this is just an example, say the next video cast in 3 weeks is focuses on defensive A.I. We will have an account for fans to send us videos of defensive A.I. things they like or need to be changed and we can address them and analyze them. It can be from any game. If there is something awesome from PES 6 that isn't around anymore and fits the topic we are talking about in the next video cast send it over!

I hope this is something football gaming fans in general will be interested it. More to come on this in the near future.

I'd love to give guys on hear a voice. So if any of you would like to join a PES Podcast in the future and speak decent English let me know. Positive or negative. I have no agenda. My only agenda is whether PES or FIFA I just want to play a damn good football game!
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Sorry B-Man, but that doesn't give him excuse for overreacting. He knows twitter is limited yet he still chooses to overreact.

Anyway, good one for doing what you're doing. The PES team need someone who shows them the right direction, not a yes-man or someone who just guarantees the easiest money.
 
I honestly feel Pes 2016 is the most complex futebol game to date, especially in comparison to earlier Pes games. The AI is far more advanced and the freedom of play and variation in games is alot better.

- Pes 2012 is good for what it is, but freedom of play is not that great, feels verey restricted with dribbling.

- Pes 2013 good again , I dont like the balloony ball physics and the way the ball feels like it is attached to a spring.

- Pes 2014 not bad, but the variation and freedom is the worst here, I found this game very repetitive. Not to mention how players who should be faster just get overtaken by slow defenders.

- Pes 2015, well just a not as good version of Pes 2016.

Im playing superstar difficulty, and at this difficulty it is the hardest Pes by quite a margin. Im guessing thats why many folks dont like it, as it requires you to be alot better than earlier Pes games. Ive had to improve so much to be able to consistently play well against better teams, even lower teams can surprise with their 'different' game plan.

Took me so long to find a formation and settings for my team that suit my playstyle, this is another factor that hugely influences the quality of games.
 
Edmundo 22 said:
I honestly feel Pes 2016 is the most complex futebol game to date, especially in comparison to earlier Pes games. The AI is far more advanced and the freedom of play and variation in games is alot better.

- Pes 2012 is good for what it is, but freedom of play is not that great, feels verey restricted with dribbling.

- Pes 2013 good again , I dont like the balloony ball physics and the way the ball feels like it is attached to a spring.

- Pes 2014 not bad, but the variation and freedom is the worst here, I found this game very repetitive. Not to mention how players who should be faster just get overtaken by slow defenders.

- Pes 2015, well just a not as good version of Pes 2016.

Im playing superstar difficulty, and at this difficulty it is the hardest Pes by quite a margin. Im guessing thats why many folks dont like it, as it requires you to be alot better than earlier Pes games. Ive had to improve so much to be able to consistently play well against better teams, even lower teams can surprise with their 'different' game plan.

Took me so long to find a formation and settings for my team that suit my playstyle, this is another factor that hugely influences the quality of games.
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I like PES 2016, It would be a great game if Konami just fix the issues that the community had been complaining about, like AI shot variation, team spirit, AI defense backing off and following to the box, and of course the referees. Many also complain about the goalkeepers, but for me they are fine as long as you know how to use them. What is annoying is that they don't listen to feed backs and insist the game is great the way it is.
 
And for me PES2016 is terrible. Absolutely soulless, even compared to PES2015, which I quite enjoy.

The only thing that keeps my hopes in PES2017 up, is that it's a start of a new three year cycle.
 
B-Man said:
Hey guys,

Posted this on WENB earlier and thought it may apply here as well:

Reading the posts the past few days and wanted to reach out to you all who keep this thing going!

First, congrats to Asim he worked extremely hard on WENB and NGB and always wanted a career in the gaming industry and all his hard work has paid off. He is a true go-getter. Did knowing Adam help him get his foot in the door? I'm sure it did but networking is part of the business world I do it everyday so you can't fault Asim for his connections. Connections are how I got into my current career.

I know there are people on these forums who have had bad experiences with Asim or Adam either here or on twitter. Anyone who personally knows me, knows I like to stay out of other peoples business. It's how I always have been. Asim and I had an argument not too long ago with some back and forth on twitter that we both took out of context when we spoke privately so I do know from personal experience it is hard to gauge the context of a conversation on twitter with limited characters and not understanding the way someone is trying to express themselves. Regardless, having spoke to them they know they could have handled some things differently so you live and learn nobody is perfect.

My relationship with them is great. I hope that means great things for all of us as well. Being critical of PES the past few years and knowing my criticisms which-- are shared by a lot of you here--have been taken on board by Konami is great to hear. I want all of you to know I will continue to send feedback from you guys DIRECTLY to both Adam and Asim... **** that survey bullshit lol

We all want the PES we grew up with. The one with depth that we grew up playing, the one with a balanced mix of sim and fun. I'm hearing good things that the hardcore fans will be rewarded this year. We won't know for sure until we get our hands on it. After two years of trying to reach as many fans as possible I look forward to the core being rewarded for there loyalty and love of PES. I hope it works out that way. Also from all indications, PES is making good money and isn't going anywhere in the near future. I did speculate free-to-play in 2-3 years but if I'm wrong and it appears I am then that is great news for us.

As far as the site, I think Suff and I will be doing WENB podcasts. Not sure if Nico and Adam Neaves will be joining us. But my goal is to have one of you guys on each podcast. A hardcore guy joining us each time I think will be great. Gives people a voice on the airwaves. I'm all about the fans yo.

Finally, there is a new project being worked on. More social media side of things not affiliated with WENB. Myself, Suff, Jose & Nestor formally of FSB and Charles from Footy United will be doing video casts every 2-4 weeks focusing each week on a different aspect of FIFA/PES gameplay with video analyzation edited by none other than Mr. Gari Clark. Providing visual feedback is more powerful than talking about issues. For example, and this is just an example, say the next video cast in 3 weeks is focuses on defensive A.I. We will have an account for fans to send us videos of defensive A.I. things they like or need to be changed and we can address them and analyze them. It can be from any game. If there is something awesome from PES 6 that isn't around anymore and fits the topic we are talking about in the next video cast send it over!

I hope this is something football gaming fans in general will be interested it. More to come on this in the near future.

I'd love to give guys on hear a voice. So if any of you would like to join a PES Podcast in the future and speak decent English let me know. Positive or negative. I have no agenda. My only agenda is whether PES or FIFA I just want to play a damn good football game!
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Sounds really promising. Specially the bold parts and I really wish your effort is gonna reach to the ones who are necessary to change stuff.
 
These are the two worst people to have promoting this game. Adam has a history of denying fundamental issues and Asim will say anything positive to work for Konami. It is ludicrous. Also they are just part of the hype train neither have any development input
 
B-Man said:
Hey guys,

Posted this on WENB earlier and thought it may apply here as well:

Reading the posts the past few days and wanted to reach out to you all who keep this thing going!

First, congrats to Asim he worked extremely hard on WENB and NGB and always wanted a career in the gaming industry and all his hard work has paid off. He is a true go-getter. Did knowing Adam help him get his foot in the door? I'm sure it did but networking is part of the business world I do it everyday so you can't fault Asim for his connections. Connections are how I got into my current career.

I know there are people on these forums who have had bad experiences with Asim or Adam either here or on twitter. Anyone who personally knows me, knows I like to stay out of other peoples business. It's how I always have been. Asim and I had an argument not too long ago with some back and forth on twitter that we both took out of context when we spoke privately so I do know from personal experience it is hard to gauge the context of a conversation on twitter with limited characters and not understanding the way someone is trying to express themselves. Regardless, having spoke to them they know they could have handled some things differently so you live and learn nobody is perfect.

My relationship with them is great. I hope that means great things for all of us as well. Being critical of PES the past few years and knowing my criticisms which-- are shared by a lot of you here--have been taken on board by Konami is great to hear. I want all of you to know I will continue to send feedback from you guys DIRECTLY to both Adam and Asim... **** that survey bullshit lol

We all want the PES we grew up with. The one with depth that we grew up playing, the one with a balanced mix of sim and fun. I'm hearing good things that the hardcore fans will be rewarded this year. We won't know for sure until we get our hands on it. After two years of trying to reach as many fans as possible I look forward to the core being rewarded for there loyalty and love of PES. I hope it works out that way. Also from all indications, PES is making good money and isn't going anywhere in the near future. I did speculate free-to-play in 2-3 years but if I'm wrong and it appears I am then that is great news for us.

As far as the site, I think Suff and I will be doing WENB podcasts. Not sure if Nico and Adam Neaves will be joining us. But my goal is to have one of you guys on each podcast. A hardcore guy joining us each time I think will be great. Gives people a voice on the airwaves. I'm all about the fans yo.

Finally, there is a new project being worked on. More social media side of things not affiliated with WENB. Myself, Suff, Jose & Nestor formally of FSB and Charles from Footy United will be doing video casts every 2-4 weeks focusing each week on a different aspect of FIFA/PES gameplay with video analyzation edited by none other than Mr. Gari Clark. Providing visual feedback is more powerful than talking about issues. For example, and this is just an example, say the next video cast in 3 weeks is focuses on defensive A.I. We will have an account for fans to send us videos of defensive A.I. things they like or need to be changed and we can address them and analyze them. It can be from any game. If there is something awesome from PES 6 that isn't around anymore and fits the topic we are talking about in the next video cast send it over!

I hope this is something football gaming fans in general will be interested it. More to come on this in the near future.

I'd love to give guys on hear a voice. So if any of you would like to join a PES Podcast in the future and speak decent English let me know. Positive or negative. I have no agenda. My only agenda is whether PES or FIFA I just want to play a damn good football game!
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I love the podcasts and B-man your a major reason why I do enjoy them. My only complaint I guess is that there isn't more of them but I understand there only so much you can discuss about one game with sporadic updates before you run out of topics or things to critique that you hadn't already.

Anyway, if love to appear on it someday, I been a loyal fan of both games since 2004 so I feel like I have more than enough knowledge and experience of both series' to do a half decent job taking PES.
 
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gabe.paul.logan said:
this isnt a PES game anymore. its a FIFA clone and you can figure out what happens if there is a FIFA clone on the market without licences and FIFA with bunch of licences
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preach brotha

It was a perfect storm for PES 2016 because FIFA went totally sim pissing off factions of their fan base those people went to play PES. But we all know after the latest patches that FIFA 17 is going to go back to ping pong arcadey sprinting whores gameplay to appease the masses so what does PES do to counter that? If they come out with just an extension of 2016 with similar ethos to FIFA 17 and a lot less licenses and crappier online stability then Konami might as well wave the white flag already.

They really need to be different and separate themselves from the competition. They have used up all of the fan bases' good will.

Konami won't do this, but if they had half a brain they'd seriously consider going back to PES2014 leaked demo code, build from there and spend loads of time fixing responsiveness and adding in more transition animations.

I was dropping a deuce at work watching gameplay videos from the leaked demo code of 2014 :WHISTLE: and the game looks and moves night and day better compared to 2016 and that was on PS3! The detail and lighting were phenomenal, ball physics were great, pace was great, animations superb just needed some more transitions and be more responsive along with fixing keepers and the shooting while sprinting you got that sliding shot. But these are things you could correct in a year you would think along with other niggles. :CRY:
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Now i see...only just listened to your latest WENB podcast. :D creepy connection we have


Btw just to explain the player individuality you are craving for:

stats in PES 6

Attack: 76
Defence: 40
Header Accuracy: 75
Dribble Accuracy: 77
Short Pass Accuracy: 69
Short Pass Speed: 69
Long Pass Accuracy: 68
Long Pass Speed: 68
Shot Accuracy: 77
Place Kicking: 65
Swerve: 66
Ball Control: 78
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Response: 76
Explosive Power: 75
Dribble Speed: 77
Top Speed: 78
Body Balance: 81
Stamina: 76
Kicking Power: 80
Jump: 75
Injury Tolerance: C
Attack Awareness: 3
Defence Awareness: 1
Form: 3
Tenacity: 68
Teamwork: 68
Acceleration: 79
Shot Technique: 75
Aggression: 80

stats in PES 2016

97 Attacking Prowess
96 Ball Control
96 Dribbling
84 Low Pass
82 Lofted Pass
94 Finishing
88 Place Kicking
87 Swerve
70 Header
42 Defensive Prowess
41 Ball Winning
80 Kicking Power
86 Speed
94 Explosive Power
94 Body Balance
70 Jump
70 Stamina
40 Goalkeeping
40 Catching
40 Clearing
40 Reflexes
40 Coverage
2 Weak Foot Use
2 Weak Foot Accuracy
7 Form
3 Injury Resistance


Just compare the shooting stats in the two games, in PES 6 there is accuracy, power, technique to define shooting, yet in 2016 only accuracy and power are in there for it, no wonder why all players shoot the same. Same goes for passing.
There are way less stats nowdays, in PES 6 there are 30+ stats, in 2016 there are 26 and 5 of them are related to goalkeepers only.
No wonder why all players are the same.

Somewhat the special skills in both generation are in balance regarding the numbers, they give the same depth to both games. And i think the special skills that gives a slight individualty to the players, wich are actually visible like passing, shooting with the outside of the foot or doing special moves are indeed there...and they are cool and fancy but they are just like that. And mostly because these animations the majority of the people say there is player ID.
I think Konami is still in for a stat based game, they just started to build the house from the top. I mean where are the stats wich define a player with shooting and passing technique like Messi?

And the same goes for the tactics and for the AI. This new tactic system is great, you can set up several tactics wich add more layer to the game...yet the AI isnt capable to alter its tactic like in PES 6 by bringing in an another defender, midfielder, striker.
 
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