PES 2016 News & Discussion Thread

RAMAXWY said:
:APPLAUD:very well put. too bad they don't really get it.
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Thanks, just to reiterate my point clearly on negativity.

broxopios said:
So i made a comment about the gameplay teaser from ign and i became football game hater? Really? For the history i love PES 5 & 6 and i just can't tolerate that we have 2015 and football games can't reach the passion and feeling those games have.

As for the indie project, i don't like it so much (at this stage). I just support his efforts and the potential this game has.

Back to topic now.

What i don't like mostly in PES 2015 and i saw it clearly in yesterday videos, is the poor footplanting, the skating and bad transition between animation.

Here is an example from PES 2015. If this isn't a major issue KONAMI have to fix, then they should take out their motto "the pitch is ours".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tud7koQ0eac
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What the guy says here is right, i agree with him, animations are still an issue. My point is there are people here like who knew this would be the case anyway since when your not negative all the time, you look into WHY things are the way they are to get a balanced expectation rather than just moan and play Captain Hindsight.

Its explained well in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTgORSDPTOA
 
klashman69 said:
Thanks, just to reiterate my point clearly on negativity.

What the guy says here is right, i agree with him, animations are still an issue. My point is there are people here like who knew this would be the case anyway since when your not negative all the time, you look into WHY things are the way they are to get a balanced expectation rather than just moan and play Captain Hindsight.

Its explained well in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTgORSDPTOA
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Yeah i saw the video and i like their points.

My yesterday disappointment comes from the fact that, ok PES 2015 was a good effort. It has some major issue, like i said the poor transition between animation, skating etc. And i was sure that this year they could eliminate or improve these issues. Maybe they will, we don't know yet, but from the video i have the opposite feeling.

Something positive i saw from the ign teaser was the ball. It seems more free than PES 2015 and this is good.

See, i'm so negative person :)
 
I liked 2015 very much. With a lot of tinkering and patches I got it to where I'm happy. As a result, I will be getting 2016 on PC regardless. I think it will undoubtedly be even better. Maybe not by much but still better.
 
Trailer was alright, just fine to me. Online can do one, I only play* ML.

I was finished screeching about the game's flaws long ago. PES is a bugged, flawed game every year with positives that some will enjoy at various levels. I play PES2015 even now, so that's more than I played the previous 3 titles. All the yuppy mongoles will love it yes, but whoever decided, "Yes, let's definitely include the selfie celebration", needs lobbing out of the next plane to LAX.

* play / fathom / decipher / hate / love
 
I have to admit im a little surprised at the disappointment or 'meh' response of the announcement. Obviously there is the usual crowd who can't wait to slag the game off or mention nets (I agree with klash on that BTW) but I don't even mean those guys. I expected that a lot more people would have been impressed by what we saw, I know I am.

Firstly, by konamis standards of announcements this is actually really good. No teasers of teasers or dribbles of information. We actually have an extensive press release detailing everything we need to know, if I had to express any concern it would have to be if they have really gone all in with this announcement, will we get anything else new not yet mentioned? On the plus side they have a lot to elaborate on in the coming months (ML especially for me)

I should probably clarify that I thought PES15 was a good game that just needed a little more built upon in each department, with that in mind onto the video itself, it showed off new animations which I believe the press release says have increased threefold and much improved physicality including proper aerial battles. It also talks about much improved AI which incan only hope means that the AI teams will actually vary the playing styles a bit but I'd like to see more proof of that! Regardless it got me thinking, imagine playing PES15 but with those gameplay upgrades alone? That is pretty exciting for me, they could really nail the gameplay down, give me toned down shooting and advanced tactical options as a bonus and That is me with a big grin on my face.

Aside from the gameplay, any news of ML improvements is a big plus for me, it's left me excited to hear more!
 
For me there is only PES as a football game, I try the demo of Fifa every year, but despite many things that are better in Fifa, like for example the goalkeeper or the many animations, I just can't get into it. It doesn't feel right to me.

But despite my clear alliance with PES I think it's important to clearly state the negative aspects, because that will give PES productions the incentive to change more than just the cosmetic things or to merely update the teams.

The Fox engine was a good thing, it has many options, is scalable, theoretically it could provide nextgen graphics and offers the framework wherein a next-gen-animation- and physics-system could fit into.

But somehow PES productions is currently not nearly using the potential of the Fox engine. Is it because of time-constraints or budget-limitations? I don't know and I don't care. It's not my business to figure out what goes on behind the doors, all I care for is the end-product.

Still looking forward to the gameplay- and AI-improvements that will maybe come with it, but I can't deny that I'm disappointed that neither graphics nor the animation-system will be pushing the Fox engine. That means we have to wait for PES 2017 to get that.
 
broxopios said:
Yeah i saw the video and i like their points.

My yesterday disappointment comes from the fact that, ok PES 2015 was a good effort. It has some major issue, like i said the poor transition between animation, skating etc. And i was sure that this year they could eliminate or improve these issues. Maybe they will, we don't know yet, but from the video i have the opposite feeling.

Something positive i saw from the ign teaser was the ball. It seems more free than PES 2015 and this is good.

See, i'm so negative person :)
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Thats more like it!
 
Blimey, i have not been on here for ages, due to the recent poor games from Konami.

However the trailer is very encouraging IMO, the whole atmosphere seems much better, the ball more free and the keepers look to be improved.

Im genuinely looking forward to this!
 
klashman69 said:
Even with good ball physics like FIFA has, if passes are lazer guided to opposition, your going to get repetitive outcomes because there just not enough variables preventing passes from always being accurate. Manual i think has changed how passes work in PES so the 3 bar settings is far easier than the one passing standard we used to have.
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just get your hands on ISS Pro Evo 1 or 2 and play it for an hour or two. youll see what im talking about when i talk about assisted passing/shooting + player attributes + ball physics. in that game almost anything could happen, yet it came out in 2000-2001?
 
Hey, guys. I usually only read the forum and making a post is something extremely rare for me, because someone already said what was in my mind. Unfortunately very few people paid attention in both of the trailers for the important stuff. Since the way the games (both FIFA and PES) are made, we always control one player at a time. This means that except for tactics we dont have much control of the game. People who 'understand' football know that off the ball movement is as important as with the ball. The A.I. controls the other 9 players (exluding the GK). What I am trying to say is that in order to have a good game, the A.I. must be adequate. I am just going to copy/paste my comment under the gameplay trailer in youtube:

In the video, watch the atacks as many times as you need to observe every deffender's actions.
In general, what PES/WE needs is a total overhaul, although they now use the FOX engine, wich is amazing, you can't feel it in the game.
Also, the A.I. is very basic (it's obvious):
- 0:14 Look at Boateng when Neymar does that feint, why is he runing away from him and giving him all that space? Just because he did a special move?
- 0:34 When Brasil score that heading goal, look at Lahm (maybe). Although it is pretty obvious even from his prespective that he isn't going to have that ball, during the header you can see him still try to kick it. He clearly saw the brazilian bursting into the area, he could have tried covering it. Instead of that, he desided to do a complete stop, them move a little, and try to kick it. Remember that this all happens during a cross. It is ridiculuis.
- 0:44 When Reus is loosing the ball there are two germans that are close and can take it back into possession. Instead, they are moving away from the ball.
- 0:46 What is the deffender near Firmino trying to do? He had enough time to block eventual shot. And the shooting animation doesnt look realistic having in mind from where the ball is coming and the angle. The ball is coming from the bottom of the screen, the player who shoots moves that way. When he shoots his body enertia is to the right. The physics are very bad.
- 0:50 Neuer basicly left his net free to score. Instead of trying to be near him and block his eventual shot, he does nothing and keepes distance. He should go against him and challenge for the ball like keepers do it in FIFA. But in FIFA there is very unrealistic advantage for the keeper. So the balance is somewhere in between.
Those things cought my eye in just one viewing now, if I spent the time needed to do a complete breakdown of everything, it is going to be ugly, and I don't feel like loosing my time, since now I dont get something out of those things like I used to few years ago.

Of course they have to showcase Neymar doing stuff, since he is the new cover star. But they do it with recorded gameplay and basicly they are trying to do something cool. When this footage is the best they could come up with then it means something. Since this trailer is fast pacing and it changes scenes very fast i reccomend you using slow motion.
It could be the easiest difficulty, but what lower difficulties do is making the deffenders passive in actions. Meaning they stay where they should be, but they are not tackling for the ball. The difficulty might explain the bad goalkeeping, but not the other stuff.

The reason that most people are still playing PES6 is that the game doesn't have this broken AI that can ruin the game. This compensates for the lack of 360 movement, graphics etc.
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Some of those things are not valid if they played 1vs1 for capturing gameplay.

I will add that I had the chance for a few years to play beta and review codes under non-disclosure agreement and in terms of gameplay the changes in the last few months of development are minimal to none when comparing with retail version. When more gameplay videos show up I hope I get to change my opinion, but things are not looking good.
 
napsterbg said:
Hey, guys. I usually only read the forum and making a post is something extremely rare for me, because someone already said what was in my mind. Unfortunately very few people paid attention in both of the trailers for the important stuff. Since the way the games (both FIFA and PES) are made, we always control one player at a time. This means that except for tactics we dont have much control of the game. People who 'understand' football know that off the ball movement is as important as with the ball. The A.I. controls the other 9 players (exluding the GK). What I am trying to say is that in order to have a good game, the A.I. must be adequate. I am just going to copy/paste my comment under the gameplay trailer in youtube:



Some of those things are not valid if they played 1vs1 for capturing gameplay.

I will add that I had the chance for a few years to play beta and review codes under non-disclosure agreement and in terms of gameplay the changes in the last few months of development are minimal to none when comparing with retail version. When more gameplay videos show up I hope I get to change my opinion, but things are not looking good.
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Hopefully this dumb AI is only present at Beginner or Regular mode.
 
proxi said:
All the yuppy mongoles will love it yes, but whoever decided, "Yes, let's definitely include the selfie celebration", needs lobbing out of the next plane to LAX.

* play / fathom / decipher / hate / love
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napsterbg said:
Hey, guys. I usually only read the forum and making a post is something extremely rare for me, because someone already said what was in my mind. Unfortunately very few people paid attention in both of the trailers for the important stuff. Since the way the games (both FIFA and PES) are made, we always control one player at a time. This means that except for tactics we dont have much control of the game. People who 'understand' football know that off the ball movement is as important as with the ball. The A.I. controls the other 9 players (exluding the GK). What I am trying to say is that in order to have a good game, the A.I. must be adequate. I am just going to copy/paste my comment under the gameplay trailer in youtube:



Some of those things are not valid if they played 1vs1 for capturing gameplay.

I will add that I had the chance for a few years to play beta and review codes under non-disclosure agreement and in terms of gameplay the changes in the last few months of development are minimal to none when comparing with retail version. When more gameplay videos show up I hope I get to change my opinion, but things are not looking good.
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I agree with Mehtab. Most problems can be caused by the low playing level. If you try to show something, like Konami did in the trailer, it is often clearer to see with low opposition.
If you explain something, you do that with simple examples :)
 
I am as certain that it's low difficulty.

If there is one thing you can be sure of with people who have early access to pes it's 2 things

1) low difficulty
2) playing like 90% of the knobs online
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
just get your hands on ISS Pro Evo 1 or 2 and play it for an hour or two. youll see what im talking about when i talk about assisted passing/shooting + player attributes + ball physics. in that game almost anything could happen, yet it came out in 2000-2001?
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In 8 directions where first touches where perfect for every player, even shit players. Dribbling and movement is a completely different animal altogether. Like everyone has said here, animations and transitions alone is taking 2-3 games from PES 2014-2016 on the fox engine to get right. back then the technology just wasn't anywhere near the demands of today.

If you look at FIFA They had 3 games with this tech level from 07-09 that's before even moving to 36 degree movement So what you see in terms of this in FIFA 15 is 6 games using 360 degree movement on a modern engine 9 games although and almost a decade of working development.

With PES Productions, this is just their 3rd game in PES 2016. As we have seen with FIFA it usually takes 2-3 games to buildup the animations base, this alone is taking preference over that individuality which just isn't on the level of previous games yet.

The demand and tech needed to replicate that is tiny, miniature compared to whats needed today to recreate that!

Gaming and technology has come on 1000x times more powerful than then!
 
zeemeister said:
I am as certain that it's low difficulty.

If there is one thing you can be sure of with people who have early access to pes it's 2 things

1) low difficulty
2) playing like 90% of the knobs online
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That is obviously low difficulty but it's the way the ball moves and keeper dives that is bad, imo.

I'm talking about the diving header.
 
SteelHorse75 said:
Only £39 on Anazon but I've accepted it's never going to be the game we all craved and thought we would get in 2006.

So I'll enjoy it for what it is...a game.

If you want real football then your going to go grab a ball and go outside.
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its a game but it could be annoying, could be buggy just like in the past 8yrs. i'll wait for the final demo to see if it worth the money.
 
Ameppe said:
That is obviously low difficulty but it's the way the ball moves and keeper dives that is bad, imo.

I'm talking about the diving header.
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I do not agree with you. Keepers are so much better as in the previous PES versions. Did you see that double save in the E3-trailer?

@ Gabe.Paul.Logan: You are probably over cautious because of disappointments from last years, but just watch the analyses from Asim about the E3 trailer. Doesn't look that great? :APPLAUD:
 
I've always been the biggest PES evangelist in a place which has always preferred the Fifa (most places have, I guess) and I have usually been able to make some solid points about new PES games to people before they go ahead and get Fifa instead anyway. This year, when I'll be asked what is new, it's: "well... manual celebrations? And... Changing weather... I guess, kind of?"

It's going to be a tough sell this year.

The weather stuff is good but this one half clear, second half rain stuff could have been in there 10 years ago. There is so much more they could do with that to increase the atmosphere. Stadium shadows moving with time would probably look off because it's 90 minutes being converted to 10-15 most of the time. But how about moving clouds? sunshine turning into cloudy? Clear weather with thunder, then rain?

They could still put this in I guess, but... It's more likely to be in PES 2022
 
Han said:
I do not agree with you. Keepers are so much better as in the previous PES versions. Did you see that double save in the E3-trailer?

@ Gabe.Paul.Logan: You are probably over cautious because of disappointments from last years, but just watch the analyses from Asim about the E3 trailer. Doesn't look that great? :APPLAUD:
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content wise, yes it does. i would go even further, the content looks like what we fans wished for in the feedbacks we gave to Konami. yet the ballphysics are whats worrying for me and sorry if shooting, passin is so repetative like last year...i mean thats why i choosed PES back then instead of FIFA, This Is Football because anything could happen on the pitch. but atm it doesnt look like if thats the case
 
Commentary – New commentators have been introduced for both UK and Germany, with Peter Drury and Marco Hagemann joining the PES team. A wealth of new lines and specific stories have been recorded dedicated for Master League, responding to player transfers, player growth and team performance.

really? new commentators? why is nobody talking about it? or is fake? cant believe my eyes.
 
Enlil said:
Commentary – New commentators have been introduced for both UK and Germany, with Peter Drury and Marco Hagemann joining the PES team. A wealth of new lines and specific stories have been recorded dedicated for Master League, responding to player transfers, player growth and team performance.

really? new commentators? why is nobody talking about it? or is fake? cant believe my eyes.
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its real, you probably missed the 'full reveal' press release.
 
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