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- #631
- 16 July 2004
- LUFC O.K.
Well said Ramaxwy, we need plenty more of that around here at launch time.


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very well put. too bad they don't really get it.
So i made a comment about the gameplay teaser from ign and i became football game hater? Really? For the history i love PES 5 & 6 and i just can't tolerate that we have 2015 and football games can't reach the passion and feeling those games have.
As for the indie project, i don't like it so much (at this stage). I just support his efforts and the potential this game has.
Back to topic now.
What i don't like mostly in PES 2015 and i saw it clearly in yesterday videos, is the poor footplanting, the skating and bad transition between animation.
Here is an example from PES 2015. If this isn't a major issue KONAMI have to fix, then they should take out their motto "the pitch is ours".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tud7koQ0eac
Thanks, just to reiterate my point clearly on negativity.
What the guy says here is right, i agree with him, animations are still an issue. My point is there are people here like who knew this would be the case anyway since when your not negative all the time, you look into WHY things are the way they are to get a balanced expectation rather than just moan and play Captain Hindsight.
Its explained well in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTgORSDPTOA
Yeah i saw the video and i like their points.
My yesterday disappointment comes from the fact that, ok PES 2015 was a good effort. It has some major issue, like i said the poor transition between animation, skating etc. And i was sure that this year they could eliminate or improve these issues. Maybe they will, we don't know yet, but from the video i have the opposite feeling.
Something positive i saw from the ign teaser was the ball. It seems more free than PES 2015 and this is good.
See, i'm so negative person![]()
Even with good ball physics like FIFA has, if passes are lazer guided to opposition, your going to get repetitive outcomes because there just not enough variables preventing passes from always being accurate. Manual i think has changed how passes work in PES so the 3 bar settings is far easier than the one passing standard we used to have.
In the video, watch the atacks as many times as you need to observe every deffender's actions.
In general, what PES/WE needs is a total overhaul, although they now use the FOX engine, wich is amazing, you can't feel it in the game.
Also, the A.I. is very basic (it's obvious):
- 0:14 Look at Boateng when Neymar does that feint, why is he runing away from him and giving him all that space? Just because he did a special move?
- 0:34 When Brasil score that heading goal, look at Lahm (maybe). Although it is pretty obvious even from his prespective that he isn't going to have that ball, during the header you can see him still try to kick it. He clearly saw the brazilian bursting into the area, he could have tried covering it. Instead of that, he desided to do a complete stop, them move a little, and try to kick it. Remember that this all happens during a cross. It is ridiculuis.
- 0:44 When Reus is loosing the ball there are two germans that are close and can take it back into possession. Instead, they are moving away from the ball.
- 0:46 What is the deffender near Firmino trying to do? He had enough time to block eventual shot. And the shooting animation doesnt look realistic having in mind from where the ball is coming and the angle. The ball is coming from the bottom of the screen, the player who shoots moves that way. When he shoots his body enertia is to the right. The physics are very bad.
- 0:50 Neuer basicly left his net free to score. Instead of trying to be near him and block his eventual shot, he does nothing and keepes distance. He should go against him and challenge for the ball like keepers do it in FIFA. But in FIFA there is very unrealistic advantage for the keeper. So the balance is somewhere in between.
Those things cought my eye in just one viewing now, if I spent the time needed to do a complete breakdown of everything, it is going to be ugly, and I don't feel like loosing my time, since now I dont get something out of those things like I used to few years ago.
Of course they have to showcase Neymar doing stuff, since he is the new cover star. But they do it with recorded gameplay and basicly they are trying to do something cool. When this footage is the best they could come up with then it means something. Since this trailer is fast pacing and it changes scenes very fast i reccomend you using slow motion.
It could be the easiest difficulty, but what lower difficulties do is making the deffenders passive in actions. Meaning they stay where they should be, but they are not tackling for the ball. The difficulty might explain the bad goalkeeping, but not the other stuff.
The reason that most people are still playing PES6 is that the game doesn't have this broken AI that can ruin the game. This compensates for the lack of 360 movement, graphics etc.
Hey, guys. I usually only read the forum and making a post is something extremely rare for me, because someone already said what was in my mind. Unfortunately very few people paid attention in both of the trailers for the important stuff. Since the way the games (both FIFA and PES) are made, we always control one player at a time. This means that except for tactics we dont have much control of the game. People who 'understand' football know that off the ball movement is as important as with the ball. The A.I. controls the other 9 players (exluding the GK). What I am trying to say is that in order to have a good game, the A.I. must be adequate. I am just going to copy/paste my comment under the gameplay trailer in youtube:
Some of those things are not valid if they played 1vs1 for capturing gameplay.
I will add that I had the chance for a few years to play beta and review codes under non-disclosure agreement and in terms of gameplay the changes in the last few months of development are minimal to none when comparing with retail version. When more gameplay videos show up I hope I get to change my opinion, but things are not looking good.
All the yuppy mongoles will love it yes, but whoever decided, "Yes, let's definitely include the selfie celebration", needs lobbing out of the next plane to LAX.
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Hey, guys. I usually only read the forum and making a post is something extremely rare for me, because someone already said what was in my mind. Unfortunately very few people paid attention in both of the trailers for the important stuff. Since the way the games (both FIFA and PES) are made, we always control one player at a time. This means that except for tactics we dont have much control of the game. People who 'understand' football know that off the ball movement is as important as with the ball. The A.I. controls the other 9 players (exluding the GK). What I am trying to say is that in order to have a good game, the A.I. must be adequate. I am just going to copy/paste my comment under the gameplay trailer in youtube:
Some of those things are not valid if they played 1vs1 for capturing gameplay.
I will add that I had the chance for a few years to play beta and review codes under non-disclosure agreement and in terms of gameplay the changes in the last few months of development are minimal to none when comparing with retail version. When more gameplay videos show up I hope I get to change my opinion, but things are not looking good.
just get your hands on ISS Pro Evo 1 or 2 and play it for an hour or two. youll see what im talking about when i talk about assisted passing/shooting + player attributes + ball physics. in that game almost anything could happen, yet it came out in 2000-2001?
Preordered.
u have some balls
I am as certain that it's low difficulty.
If there is one thing you can be sure of with people who have early access to pes it's 2 things
1) low difficulty
2) playing like 90% of the knobs online
Only £39 on Anazon but I've accepted it's never going to be the game we all craved and thought we would get in 2006.
So I'll enjoy it for what it is...a game.
If you want real football then your going to go grab a ball and go outside.
That is obviously low difficulty but it's the way the ball moves and keeper dives that is bad, imo.
I'm talking about the diving header.
I do not agree with you. Keepers are so much better as in the previous PES versions. Did you see that double save in the E3-trailer?
@ Gabe.Paul.Logan: You are probably over cautious because of disappointments from last years, but just watch the analyses from Asim about the E3 trailer. Doesn't look that great?![]()
Commentary – New commentators have been introduced for both UK and Germany, with Peter Drury and Marco Hagemann joining the PES team. A wealth of new lines and specific stories have been recorded dedicated for Master League, responding to player transfers, player growth and team performance.
really? new commentators? why is nobody talking about it? or is fake? cant believe my eyes.