Anjin
#NoTengoDinero
- 29 April 2012
Lemme drop my three cents in.
Allow me to preface by saying, I am with this franchise since like 2004, when my uncle first borrowed me his copy of PES 3. Barely got to play it (lost my PC), but the seed was sown. Only three years later I was able to finally play on my own, it was PES 5 on PS2. Year after that, PES 6 on PC pretty much until today. All the anger does not come from hate, quite contrary - from feeling hopeless and defenseless against Conami's actions, especially ones taken against its very own, hardcore fans and players.
Being the PC cheater bandit who hacked the demo and pirated all PES games he has (so 6, 2014 and 2015, first two on my shelf, last one on Steam) and having no friend with console and free time near to me, I cannot say a word about demo itself.
I am reading all kinds of opinions and they do not surprise me. Average-good, 3.5/5 PES 2015 (which is enough to beat best FIFA) won so many awards, so much hype and glory, why would Great Conami ever bother with any meaningful changes.
So far all pros you guys are listing sound like a bugfixes and not a features to me. New collision engine (contrary to no collision engine in 2015) is something we, customers have deserved - a bugfix to a broken feature. To read that these things still happen sometimes frighten me.
When did we switch from buying new game to buying new bugfix patch every year?
Don't get me wrong, PES 2015 has many strengths - and manual which I've tried few weeks ago makes it that much more fun - but, as always with new PESes, amazing features are paired with horrible mistakes and bugs Conami refuses to accept. Hence where my worries became reality - they do not need to bother with anyone's feedback. Twitter is overflowing with lovely vines and amazing random bits, but the vibe I get across all PES forums is that not much changed. Especially in penalty box action, where shooting ang goalkeepers are still so bland it is actually not even funny :/.
And what about gamemodes? ML will probably get few new interfaces. More licences than ever meant only paid DLC next May/June? What about online? I tried to get into it this year, if it wasn't for horrifying input lags it woulda been extremely fun. Not to mention Establishing Communications(TM) and not being able to play the game I paid for online for first few weeks.
I cannot do anything about it. WE cannot do anything about it. Conami does as it pleases. They refuse to respond to any meaningful feedback. Certain well-known manager outright blocked some smaller PES Youtuber (PESEP) for asking about lag cheaters, when receiving all the praise for game being good and promoting shitty fifa people who don't even know how to game.
My heart breaks a little when PES-people I follow send some feedback to Conami and receive no response. All the opinions about game becoming FIFA-like are worrying too.
I see people here bashing PS2 era games. Eight directions, okay, limited passing, I agree with you. Somebody mentioned word consistency and this is the point you are missing. Objectively, only good things about PES 5/6 are shooting and goalkeepers. Passing is mediocre, physics or AI is nothing to talk about. What you are missing is fact that all elements of gameplay blend together into beautiful game called football. All features work together and create a believable football-like environment. Meanwhile in PES 2015 scoring a header from corner is impossible (I managed to do it a few times across ~250h on Steam), collision engine does not exist, player awareness is laughable, goalkeepers let in funniest of shots, etc. etc. etc.
See what I am saying - PS2 PES is a consistent game, that creates consistent environment, where everything that happens simply makes goddamned SENSE. Contrary to PES 2015, where some elements are amazing (manual passing <3) and some are so outright illogical and shite, best case scenario bland, you want to smash your controller.
Handicaps in ML are ideal topping for this mix of honey and shit. Principle is good, it existed in PES6 too, but it never made me feel I cannot turn things around without playing cheaply. In my current PES 6 ML as Deportivo I was 6th in my first season in mixed Serie A-La Liga first division. That haven't happened to me in like three years - and I am happy about this! Meanwhile in PES 2015 only once I ended below 3rd position (Auxerre, first ML and first season in L1 on Superstar) and every season was filled with rage and anger. I won Eredivisie on Top Player as Go Ahead Eagles after so much screaming and heartbreak winning title was not even funny. Later on manual alleviated some of the problems, but not all of them.
To sum up, just as somebody else said above, I cannot love the PES anymore. KONAMI will become Conami, Disrespectful and Ungrateful Company #1. I intend to keep following the game and check PC demo if it will come out, but I don't think I will buy it. Even if outside of Steam game is way cheaper (paid 23€ day one compared to 40€ on Steam) I don't think a bugfix patch is worth 23€. Other gaming company I follow, Paradox Interactive, releases DLCs to their two flagship grand strategy games every three months. Most of features and tons of bugfixes come in a free patch, some exclusive stuff that doesn't change the game that much comes in 15€ worth DLC. PES 2016 seems to change as much as one of these DLCs. Except that with Paradox's games I will get a changelog hundreds of lines long, a forum where I can chat with developers (who visit forum every single day) and share my opinion on game just like many other people, and certainty that if there are bugs, there will be fixed, most of them instantly with a hotfix released day or two after patch/DLC.
Compare that to Conami.
If Conami hates its fanbase and just wants to sell the game, I will become a customer. And why would any conscious customer pay ~25€ for a bugfix patch? Not to mention you, console guys, who have no other choise.
And if you made it thru, just a reminder. This comes from a sheer hopelessness, from being shat on and not being able to do a thing about it. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SAY ALL OF THIS. Believe me, I don't. My gaming heart broke in half.
There you go.
Allow me to preface by saying, I am with this franchise since like 2004, when my uncle first borrowed me his copy of PES 3. Barely got to play it (lost my PC), but the seed was sown. Only three years later I was able to finally play on my own, it was PES 5 on PS2. Year after that, PES 6 on PC pretty much until today. All the anger does not come from hate, quite contrary - from feeling hopeless and defenseless against Conami's actions, especially ones taken against its very own, hardcore fans and players.
Being the PC cheater bandit who hacked the demo and pirated all PES games he has (so 6, 2014 and 2015, first two on my shelf, last one on Steam) and having no friend with console and free time near to me, I cannot say a word about demo itself.
I am reading all kinds of opinions and they do not surprise me. Average-good, 3.5/5 PES 2015 (which is enough to beat best FIFA) won so many awards, so much hype and glory, why would Great Conami ever bother with any meaningful changes.
So far all pros you guys are listing sound like a bugfixes and not a features to me. New collision engine (contrary to no collision engine in 2015) is something we, customers have deserved - a bugfix to a broken feature. To read that these things still happen sometimes frighten me.
When did we switch from buying new game to buying new bugfix patch every year?
Don't get me wrong, PES 2015 has many strengths - and manual which I've tried few weeks ago makes it that much more fun - but, as always with new PESes, amazing features are paired with horrible mistakes and bugs Conami refuses to accept. Hence where my worries became reality - they do not need to bother with anyone's feedback. Twitter is overflowing with lovely vines and amazing random bits, but the vibe I get across all PES forums is that not much changed. Especially in penalty box action, where shooting ang goalkeepers are still so bland it is actually not even funny :/.
And what about gamemodes? ML will probably get few new interfaces. More licences than ever meant only paid DLC next May/June? What about online? I tried to get into it this year, if it wasn't for horrifying input lags it woulda been extremely fun. Not to mention Establishing Communications(TM) and not being able to play the game I paid for online for first few weeks.
I cannot do anything about it. WE cannot do anything about it. Conami does as it pleases. They refuse to respond to any meaningful feedback. Certain well-known manager outright blocked some smaller PES Youtuber (PESEP) for asking about lag cheaters, when receiving all the praise for game being good and promoting shitty fifa people who don't even know how to game.
My heart breaks a little when PES-people I follow send some feedback to Conami and receive no response. All the opinions about game becoming FIFA-like are worrying too.
I see people here bashing PS2 era games. Eight directions, okay, limited passing, I agree with you. Somebody mentioned word consistency and this is the point you are missing. Objectively, only good things about PES 5/6 are shooting and goalkeepers. Passing is mediocre, physics or AI is nothing to talk about. What you are missing is fact that all elements of gameplay blend together into beautiful game called football. All features work together and create a believable football-like environment. Meanwhile in PES 2015 scoring a header from corner is impossible (I managed to do it a few times across ~250h on Steam), collision engine does not exist, player awareness is laughable, goalkeepers let in funniest of shots, etc. etc. etc.
See what I am saying - PS2 PES is a consistent game, that creates consistent environment, where everything that happens simply makes goddamned SENSE. Contrary to PES 2015, where some elements are amazing (manual passing <3) and some are so outright illogical and shite, best case scenario bland, you want to smash your controller.
Handicaps in ML are ideal topping for this mix of honey and shit. Principle is good, it existed in PES6 too, but it never made me feel I cannot turn things around without playing cheaply. In my current PES 6 ML as Deportivo I was 6th in my first season in mixed Serie A-La Liga first division. That haven't happened to me in like three years - and I am happy about this! Meanwhile in PES 2015 only once I ended below 3rd position (Auxerre, first ML and first season in L1 on Superstar) and every season was filled with rage and anger. I won Eredivisie on Top Player as Go Ahead Eagles after so much screaming and heartbreak winning title was not even funny. Later on manual alleviated some of the problems, but not all of them.
To sum up, just as somebody else said above, I cannot love the PES anymore. KONAMI will become Conami, Disrespectful and Ungrateful Company #1. I intend to keep following the game and check PC demo if it will come out, but I don't think I will buy it. Even if outside of Steam game is way cheaper (paid 23€ day one compared to 40€ on Steam) I don't think a bugfix patch is worth 23€. Other gaming company I follow, Paradox Interactive, releases DLCs to their two flagship grand strategy games every three months. Most of features and tons of bugfixes come in a free patch, some exclusive stuff that doesn't change the game that much comes in 15€ worth DLC. PES 2016 seems to change as much as one of these DLCs. Except that with Paradox's games I will get a changelog hundreds of lines long, a forum where I can chat with developers (who visit forum every single day) and share my opinion on game just like many other people, and certainty that if there are bugs, there will be fixed, most of them instantly with a hotfix released day or two after patch/DLC.
Compare that to Conami.
If Conami hates its fanbase and just wants to sell the game, I will become a customer. And why would any conscious customer pay ~25€ for a bugfix patch? Not to mention you, console guys, who have no other choise.
And if you made it thru, just a reminder. This comes from a sheer hopelessness, from being shat on and not being able to do a thing about it. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SAY ALL OF THIS. Believe me, I don't. My gaming heart broke in half.
There you go.
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