PES 2015 Discussion Thread (PS4/XB1)

gabe.paul.logan said:
So with Real and Mcity shots are supposed to be 100% goal? Because its Ronaldo and Aguero? And keepers like Hart Casillas wont matter? Look at my signature:D
Konami made a kids game.
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This is true, unfortunately. Tap shoot = goal. It doesn't feel satisfying scoring goals in PES 2015.

It's weird now. PES used to be the game, back in the day, that I didn't like at first - but my god, I couldn't stop playing it and when you mastered it, there was no other sport's game around like it.

Now, it's great at first - but after a good play, all of the faults become apparent quickly.

Now, FIFA used to be this way. At first, "Wow, all the kits, the licenses" but after a few plays you found out what a shallow, poor product it was. Now, I didn't like FIFA pre-patch but since this it's such a great game. The learning curve is steep with FIFA now - just stay away from Ultimate Team, it's garbage.
 
Yes body balance finishing ability and the other shooting stats still come into play. I find guys like Hutchinson in myclub (long range specialist) is potent from range on manual compared to anyone else I have.

So much of this game is stat based. You can feel when a player is not in sync with the rest of your squad. Passing, receiving passes, making runs off each other, defending it's actually pretty remarkable Konami just need to build on that.
 
manual shooting is a bullshit placebo pill, plus stats wont even matter there. i hit the same rocket with Blacket and with Ronaldo too, its a joke.
why not play blind folded then?

even if you decrease the shooting skills of a player to 40 even then he can beat Neuer with ease. but i dont mind if someone liking this. arcade as hell. but its too much for me. Konami aimed to get all the FIFA-ARCADE liking kids, another proof for this is MyClub. im not really sure about that bright future...(and they not even want to change it in a patch!tells it all)

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Can someone help me with something?

In the command list and instructions it states that pressing R2 locks your direction/aim/curve on free kicks.
Yet I've tried this now numerous times and the ball goes where I aim instead of where I previously was.

Any ideas why it's not working?
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
manual shooting is a bullshit placebo pill, plus stats wont even matter there. i hit the same rocket with Blacket and with Ronaldo too, its a joke.
why not play blind folded then?

even if you decrease the shooting skills of a player to 40 even then he can beat Neuer with ease. but i dont mind if someone liking this. arcade as hell. but its too much for me. Konami aimed to get all the FIFA-ARCADE liking kids, another proof for this is MyClub. im not really sure about that bright future...(and they not even want to change it in a patch!tells it all)

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Do you think the passing is based on stats or the same as the shooting?
 
Defensive player reaction is so slow in this game. Half the goals I give up online are from my defender moving so slow to clear the ball or pass or turn that the offensive player steals it and goes in for a 1on1. Can't they fix this ???
 
Personally i don't get satisfaction playing PES 2015 anymore.

It's too ridig, with less freedom for my likings. Passing system is inconsistent, the transition between animations awful and players slipping to much on the pitch.
 
~turinski! said:
Why is KONAMI dumbing down the stats system every year?
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Because Konami decided to heard the PES2013 haters and instead of making an amazing sequel on PS4 for the game they made 2014 crap, or aka PES 7. They killed the series evolution and now playing PES is almost souless as playing Fifa.
 
Does anyone know why there are no PS3 option files anywhere for pes 2015? Even Wenb seem suspiciously quiet. Have they clamped down on this or something?
 
Honome said:
Because Konami decided to heard the PES2013 haters and instead of making an amazing sequel on PS4 for the game they made 2014 crap, or aka PES 7. They killed the series evolution and now playing PES is almost souless as playing Fifa.
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PES 2015 is more basic than 2013 because its a brand new engine and the focus has been on new physics and better real time animations.

PES 2015 is missing the movement from 2013 which is why it feels more basic compared to previous games. You can see PES 2015 biggest issue is players take far too many touches when turning since everything is all physics based with realistic leg transition in a human sense, not in a competitive football sense.

They took where they where at 2014, went back to PES6 and refined it from there.

Essentially we have the equivalent to FIFA 08 in PES 2015

YouTube - L.A.Galaxy Vs Barcelona [FIFA 08 XBOX360]

The second game on a new engine. They have the base now, With the movement commands and system from 2013 put back in they will need to start bringing back the lost stats from before, i think like with last year the game not deep enough in certain areas for all the old stats to count.
 
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Klashman, i apreciate your work with tactics and the ones for 2015 indeed make the game better. However my criticism with this game is with the fact that passing stats are completaly irelevant, no matter if a team have good passing players or not if they have a specific kind of tactics the team will ALWAYS have 90% or more on passing accurancy. We should not have to try to "fix" it dealing with tactict to make shit teams pass badly, the players stats should make this.
 
Honome said:
Klashman, i apreciate your work with tactics and the ones for 2015 indeed make the game better. However my criticism with this game is with the fact that passing stats are completaly irelevant, no matter if a team have good passing players or not if they have a specific kind of tactics the team will ALWAYS have 90% or more on passing accurancy. We should not have to try to "fix" it dealing with tactict to make shit teams pass badly, the players stats should make this.
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i have to disagree there slightly, i think your right in a way but wrong in that the cpu usually always meet their intended teammate, unless you force them under pressure.

So essentially the CPU will pass with 90% accuracy, if you stand off and let them do it, thing is if you pressure them in the correct way with tactics or close spaces to prevent them doing dangerous passes, thats when you see the mistakes.

Your right in that they pass too much and too acculturate but the football theory still applies to the game so it's not a huge issue for me, like i said about the movement is key here, it adds more variables and more difficult angles and positions to make passes. The movement is the most basic element of pes 2015 which is why passing and shooting is so accurate and overpowered by some.

I think we should expect Konami to take huge influence from 2014 as they go forward, the game like last year is screaming out for that development to be re-introduced. PES 2015 may have been released and marketed heavily on the PS4 but this is a lie, it's a bonafide PS3 game in everything it does, this is a conspiracy with the ps3 and pc versions being deliberately blurred and downgraded graphically to make the ps4 version look like it was a generation above which is bollocks since PES 2014 still looks as good if not better than PES 2015 PS4 there's little to no difference whatsoever from the ps3 to ps4 gameplay.
 
cowden_harley said:
Adam tweeting about my club stuff.

I wish they would get in about the gameplay first
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They won't address the gameplay or Master League issues though. They are lazy.

It will ALWAYS be 'Here, have some new Player Faces, MyClub, new boots' etc.

Konami and their staff are out of touch with the community. The whole franchise is a shambles.

I brought up the button lag and poor Master League with one of them on Twitter and was ignored. They just put their fingers in their ears and come out with fanboy nonsense like "THE KING IS BACK" etc.

Whilst I hate EA - they do look at what the fans want and rectify it.

PES is done & dusted until there are huge changes within their team. It's all well & good having a few people in here saying that it's the "best footy game ever" or whatever they pretend to believe but if we're all being honest, we know that Konami and the Pro Evolution Soccer franchise is facing an up-hill battle.

It really pains me. PES being the go-to football game is just a memory, it's just nostalgia now. I mean, come on - turn on PES 2015 on the PS4 - the whole thing looks and feels like a PS One game at times. NOT ACCEPTABLE! I paid FOURTY QUID for that!

The worst thing about PES fanboys is that generally, they refuse to accept that FIFA has come on leaps & bounds and just take the piss out of it, without even try it. What these fanboys don't realise is that most of the new FIFA players are ex-diehard PES players like myself who have HAD to go over to the other game simply because, as a package, it's better now. It has far more going for it.

IF the PES fanboys would just swallow their pride and stop buying PES, Konami would have to improve it A LOT more than they have in recent times. I am to blame there myself because I have also religiously bought it.

Well, NO MORE. I am not going to be brain washed by Adam Bhatti and his team of anti-FIFA, pro-PES bullshit.
 
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Diecii said:
Defensive player reaction is so slow in this game. Half the goals I give up online are from my defender moving so slow to clear the ball or pass or turn that the offensive player steals it and goes in for a 1on1. Can't they fix this ???
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Are you playing myclub? If so check your cb's tactical fit (all defenders really), even if your overall spirit is high.
I finally got myself a top, top cb a few days ago in T. Silva, but he's only a 71 tact. fit. My current teams spirit is between 95 -97, but there's no way in hell I'll be playing him against a high rated opponent.
71 tf seems high, but when I compare it to my full tac fit, lower 79-80 rated guys, they work as a great, responsive mind reading unit. With Silva in there atm, gaps, mistakes and ultimately chances increase. All it takes is 1 defender to mess up your defensive unit imo.
 
Dscru said:
Are you playing myclub? If so check your cb's tactical fit (all defenders really), even if your overall spirit is high.
I finally got myself a top, top cb a few days ago in T. Silva, but he's only a 71 tact. fit. My current teams spirit is between 95 -97, but there's no way in hell I'll be playing him against a high rated opponent.
71 tf seems high, but when I compare it to my full tac fit, lower 79-80 rated guys, they work as a great, responsive mind reading unit. With Silva in there atm, gaps, mistakes and ultimately chances increase. All it takes is 1 defender to mess up your defensive unit imo.
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This.

The tactical fit thing is absolutely critical. You feel it hard in all areas where the players aren't compatible
 
Guys I got PS4 last weekand cant find the PES 15 demo in the PS store! What am I missing? Please help, im in OZ by the way.

Thanks
 
just watched all the promo vids of the FIFA 15 game on youtube.
you get the feeling they were talking about PES 15 instead of their own game, cause all these new features just don't exist on FIFA.
the pitch looks good, everything happening around it is also very impressive but on it, is a whole other story. It is just not a game real footballers can and will enjoy.
If you are just a gamer and like watching matches then YES it is just the thing you need. if you are a player then it will not impress you at all.

PES 15 has all the features mentioned in the FIFA 15 promo vids but they didn't even mention them in their own promo vids at all.
marketting is just not their thing.

on the pitch a monster of a game, the best since PES 5 and PES 6. The pitches look average at best on the PS4 ( a little greener and better on the PS3)but the animations and details look better on the PS4. The physics feel a lot better to.

if you play football, you will appreciate everything that is implemented in this game. its just fantastic!

one real complaint about Pes 15, the difficulty should be bumped up a bit.
because a veteran like me just needs a bit more.
hey, i've played the game for years, on the green as well as on the screen, so just bump the difficulty up a notch.
 
pesorfifa said:
so player stats are not full until he is a full tactical fit? u reckon?
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Very much. It can be frustrating when you get say Cassano (which I just did) and it's better off playing with M Britos 71 rating because he has a better fit and makes better runs or finds space better. What I do then is play Cassano against the COM on lower difficulties till he has settled in. Some guys join and immediately have a phenomenal tactical fit.

It's not so much that their stats are worse. They just don't gel well enough. It's glaringly obvious with defenders as they become really bad at holding the line or even clearing the ball.
 
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acer0237 said:
Guys I got PS4 last weekand cant find the PES 15 demo in the PS store! What am I missing? Please help, im in OZ by the way.

Thanks
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Not sure about the Australian store but the PS4 demo is still available on the US store. It's fairly simple to make an account.
 
My only complains about PES 2015 ( gameplay only, as I am not interested commenting other parts ) :

1. CPU passes are too perfect ( this is one of the reasons, that bring the continuous possession game in their own half that much, which seems very unnatural )

2. Too perfect first touches ( second reason for the upper possession problem ).

3. As soon, as the footballer touch the first time ball, he loses all his momentum/ dynamic he has and there is a very unnatural ball/ footballer static moment in this situation.

4. There are still moves, that takes a bit more time ( slugish ), compared to real life. But it is better this way, compared the other ( fifa-ish ) instant direction change way.

5. Many of the feint animations don't have to be so slugish and also they begin with a lot of button lag, which is far from feeling good. Actually the lag have to be smaller in all other parts of the game too. Because I don't want to be this way -> pushing and then waiting seconds to see the result.. I am not watching a movie, so I want to see my control in split second. Also for example , when I do scissors, the ball automatically is pushed forward after the feint animation, if i don't push any diagonal direction, which is very bad ( again auto controling, what have to depends on our unput ).

6. The ball needs more zip and bouncing in ground passes, and it still feels a bit like bowling ball. Also zip/ controlled shots are a bit overpowered.

7. These are tactical problems - CPU not change enough their way of play - they lose, but they still passing around in their own half for example..
Also defensive lines are very widely-spaced, and midfilders don't help enough. So there are too much open spaces in the final third.

8. The dribble system, compared to PES 2013 for example, feels more like a complex of animations ( kind of what fifa's always been ), instead of a pure "raw" touches.

9. Body to body coliding situations are a bit too much, and feels not so great and realistic, especially when you find yourself pushed 1-2 meters away unconscious, just like you push yourself in a plate-glass, thinking it is an open space and you can come in trough.. : )

10. CPU defenders are too easy to pass by. Also when performing some tricks, it is like scripted for them to be lured from these tricks..

11. Don't know why they change gameplan screen, when it was perfect and intuitive enough before.

12. They use now the stuped fifa idea of changing defender speed ( like containing without pushing any button ) when he gets close to an atacker. I don't want this auto R2 push, I want to control it myself.

13. Shot and pass foot movement follow ups are not so great. The direction and duration are not refined in many situations.

14. Changing dribble speeds is not smooth enough. R2 slow dribble is at too low speed to be really usefull.




And by the way, the politics of removing things and then making them as new features in next versions is...

Also making the biggest teams tactics at least, close to reality don't have to be our work to do.. It is the same, as if a FPS shooter game has an option for us, to choose how much health every bullet shot can take, because they are lazy and don't have the time, or motivation to research and complete their game.

I prefer making a game not every year, but structured, tested and refined enough, instead of just pubilshing unfinished, or not properly re-thinked products.
 
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