PES 2015 Discussion Thread (PS4/XB1)

sabh said:
Last time I checked, UK was a part of Western Europe and there is no different "EU" versions.
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Sarcasm fail! BLES version itself had about five codes - 01708,01709,01710 etc. And despite BLES being meant for Europe, those games had some sort of region specifications and limitations. OF users might know.
 
People talking about overpowered R2 shots: I do use manual shooting plus manual passing. Give it a try! All that assisted stuff is crap! Maybe that's why you feel it's overpowered.

When I feel something overpowered, it's me pressing the shoot or pass button for to long! :)

If you want quick and easy results aka wins, than go for assisted settings and normal shooting.

btw: in the demo, madrid on superstar, always try to cross in from the outside. I see no problem here.
 
So this happened after scoring.

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Shikashi said:
The onus is not on Microsoft or Sony, it's on Konami. They're the ones who should have done what 2k did. But they didn't, as usual.
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KONAMI can't implement the necessary infrastructure with just a snap of the fingers only because the console manufacturers don't do their job. EA chose not to integrate their Creation Centre in the next-gen versions either although they already have the infrastructure in place.
 
@sabh: Played a lot on ps2 but maybe I grew up, or better, evolved some how. You know..! These days I like simulations, wether it's racing, sports or shooter games. I don't mind playing Mario Kart or resogun or things like that... But I like sim styled games.
 
manual shooting?

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- really annoying when a shot goes wide just because your finger slips
- really annoying probably stats doesnt matter that much in a stats based game that way

how about fix basic shooting to have it like in 2013 and before. i had no problem then at all. last year started this unbalanced nonsense with the Fox


meanwhile still messing with shooting skills and with keeper skills to balance it somehow. not much hope. even then i could have to get the pc version and i need a global editor...Konami doing the same mistakes as EA
 
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hitmanuk said:
so no one else think that video looks really unrealistic..i mean how an earth did the dribblers switch direction so quickly without losing control of the ball..its impossible..also this is the issue with the AI not comitting fouls
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Thats the biggest load of shite! Why are people putting these kind of videos up? Trying to undermine the game?

I wouldnt be able to dribble around a team like that if I was playing against my 6 year old daughter ffs! There isnt even one challenge made so its pure nonsense. The lowest level AI wouldnt even allow crap like that to happen!
 
PES and FIFA look like shit in graphics compared to these new modern games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvVpbz-Nwxo

Really is time for Konami and EA to start embracing the new power on the new consoles, these new games look genuinely advanced from the 360/PS3 gen games while FIFA 15 and PES2015 look like highly glossed PS3

hitmanuk said:
so no one else think that video looks really unrealistic..i mean how an earth did the dribblers switch direction so quickly without losing control of the ball..its impossible..also this is the issue with the AI not comitting fouls
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Its probably on regular
 
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majuh said:
KONAMI can't implement the necessary infrastructure with just a snap of the fingers only because the console manufacturers don't do their job. EA chose not to integrate their Creation Centre in the next-gen versions either although they already have the infrastructure in place.
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That's EA's choice, but licenses isn't a concern for their costumers, they know they're getting fully licensed leagues, teams and stadiums regardless of having a Creation Centre.

Konami's employees don't live under some rock, the X1 and PS4 have been out for 1 year and game developers have had devkits for longer than that. They knew that OFs would not work with the current restrictions, yet they did nothing to alleviate or rectify this issue. Just another case of waiting to tell people as late as possible and deflecting blame by saying that they can't do anything. Horse shit. They can. WWE game proves that. They just couldn't be bothered to, as usual. They could do it last gen as well, but OF makers are the ones that needed to come up with workarounds to fix Konami's ineptitude at getting licenses. Were it not for OF makers, people would still be playing as Merseyside Red in 2014. They couldn't even be arsed to afford these OF makers an easy to use platform to share their hard work. And easy to use for costumers as well.

And Sony and Microsoft are not about to change their policies and restrictions so that cheap Konami has a way of selling a product that only is actually complete with free community work from dedicated people.
 
Shikashi said:
That's EA's choice, but licenses isn't a concern for their costumers, they know they're getting fully licensed leagues, teams and stadiums regardless of having a Creation Centre.

Konami's employees don't live under some rock, the X1 and PS4 have been out for 1 year and game developers have had devkits for longer than that. They knew that OFs would not work with the current restrictions, yet they did nothing to alleviate or rectify this issue. Just another case of waiting to tell people as late as possible and deflecting blame by saying that they can't do anything. Horse shit. They can. WWE game proves that. They just couldn't be bothered to, as usual. They could do it last gen as well, but OF makers are the ones that needed to come up with workarounds to fix Konami's ineptitude at getting licenses. Were it not for OF makers, people would still be playing as Merseyside Red in 2014. They couldn't even be arsed to afford these OF makers an easy to use platform to share their hard work. And easy to use for costumers as well.

And Sony and Microsoft are not about to change their policies and restrictions so that cheap Konami has a way of selling a product that only is actually complete with free community work from dedicated people.
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very good post i have no intention of supporting ineptitude, pes is just about the same technical level as an android game. Adam blocked me on twitter because i asked him if the stupid 10-day time-skipping would be fixed in time for release and if there was any hope for more stadiums.

I realised that im being treated badly for nothing and honestly pes is not worth my money anymore. Its good he blocked me as i will retaliate by not giving konami my money. They are charging full price for an even emptier game than last year. 14 Stadiums Lol and pes 2014 had 18 stadiums. I am 100percent sure that next year there will be no improvement in commentary,presentation and modes because gameplay is focus.
 
sabh said:
seems to me your obsessed about graphics so im curious to know..what kind of graphics would you want in FIFA and PES ? PES 15 player faces look life like. I don't know what more do you want. Certain games depending on what they are its important to have vivid HD graphics but what is there about football that must have some special graphics that you speak of ?
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U played nba2k15 do u even see the strides that game is making? best 60 dollars i have ever spent. Graphics, commentary, presentation, gameplay, immersion. That game has better graphics than pes and fifa combined.
 
Shikashi said:
but OF makers are the ones that needed to come up with workarounds to fix Konami's ineptitude at getting licenses.
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:CONFUSE:

That is not incompetence that is lack of funding and EA securing exclusive licenses for leagues, teams, stadiums and more..!

Would you rather Konami do what Caterham and Marrusia did and spend money thy didn't have and end up going out of business? Look at Glasgow Rangers.

We live in times when people seem to think they can take out crazy amounts of loans and things will always work out, rather than living within their means.
 
sabh said:
seems to me your obsessed about graphics so im curious to know..what kind of graphics would you want in FIFA and PES ? PES 15 player faces look life like. I don't know what more do you want. Certain games depending on what they are its important to have vivid HD graphics but what is there about football that must have some special graphics that you speak of ?
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I do graphic design, i'm a kit modder and I've created 3D clothing models. :)

The faces are quality, not as good as what some modders are doing like Tzuninzou but they are very good, I have few complains there.

The bodies however, they look ok, not great by any means, the kits look basic and substandard for PS4! The kit models and bodies the PS3 made it capable to have this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI5svGCNct4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jSOLv9Q6Hg

This is Marvelous Designer, a 3D Clothing modeling program, i've used this before at University for my project, it's brilliant, so easy to use and really doesn't take up too much RAM or CPU power, this was around in 2010, early 2011. Using this has become standard for any CGI or anynew PS4 level video game.

Konami are using Marvelous Designer for MGS, yet the game which needs it the most PES doesn't have it? This should be standard for PES on this generation, i'm puzzled why they didn't use it since they showed it off in the Konami fox engine presentations last year.

PES 2015 on PS4 looks ok, the issue is for me it's a glossed PS3 game, it's time to move up in graphics. Also the pitch elements and stadiums, again it's all just glossed PS3. Konami i hope need to relax the PS3 development and for the PS4/PC/Xbone really start to, well just get on standard!

Looking at how the rain in those other games affects clothing, the weather effects in real time, the animations of humans moving and reacting to injury, pain. In terms of technology and physics, PES at least now has a base for things to be added but this needs focus and development,

I'ma positive guy again but Football games have been underwhelming for so long now, it's about time they really stepped up.
 
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Hi guys. Tried to catchup onthe 9 pages but gave up. Glad some people are enjoying the game already. Can't wait to get home on Thursday and I hope my copy will be waiting for me when I get there
 
What i want to see in this generation.

- Proper Dynamic Day and Night lighting like shown in MGS.

- Sophisticated weather engine affecting the turf. variable wind conditions affecting the ball

- Player physical condition engine. Like in WWE games or other fighting games, i'd like to see players have a health meter, this should show in team management which shows what parts of their body is hurt, how the fatigue, stamina and bruises have affected them game by game. Players can pick up injuries which they never truly recover from and you have to manage them through the pain barrier, along with managing ageing players who take longer to recover compared to younger players.

- PS4 Standard shirt physics. You know what Marvelous Designer is, you used it for MGS, surely the PES team would be working on this to bring this into PES, this could provide authentic shirt pulling and better physics in regards to ball contact, player jostling and more.
 
Rama78 said:
Thats the biggest load of shite! Why are people putting these kind of videos up? Trying to undermine the game?

I wouldnt be able to dribble around a team like that if I was playing against my 6 year old daughter ffs! There isnt even one challenge made so its pure nonsense. The lowest level AI wouldnt even allow crap like that to happen!
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I don't understand your response.
You say I'm trying to undermine the game by putting this vid up but you agree that the A.I is terrible in the vid.
Can you clarify what you mean please?

klashman69 said:
Its probably on regular
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Highest difficulty level on the demo actually (can't remember what it's called without checking)
 
sabh said:
klashman: good valid points, but I am afraid you won't see any of those things you've listed in PES or FIFA. Now, I understand you better. You need to realize that Konami PES team is a small team, not a major group that is skilled when it comes to creating a perfect game. MGS team has far more superior staff than what Adam Bhatti is able to pull off lol. You just cant compare the two. And also, maybe just maybe we are overhyping PS4 to be this superior gaming console.
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Yeah i knew that, maybe they should hire some of the modders here if they need people. The stadium debacle could make some sense.

The PS4 isn't a super powered console at all. It's has the specs of your average laptop. Gaming in general has been underdeveloped because its such a cash cow there wasant the need to evolve.

It seems the reason for the PS4/xbone release is now they want to literally create movies as games. This is why i gave up with gaming a very long time again and i only play football games. The majority of games are pretty shit, they have top quality graphics an the storylines are literally movies with movie stars featuring.

I'm progressive and i like things to get better.
 
Jamezinho said:
Since when did Konami become an indie dev?
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Since they started using that narrative to fool people into believing the "poor old Konami doesn't have the resources to compete with EA" nonsense.
It's a very easy excuse for ineptitude and lack of effort.

Last time I checked EA wasn't opening up fitness facilities and had a huge business on Casino games. But what are you gonna do, poor Konami just can't compete.

Konami:
Revenue - ¥265.758 billion (US$3.24 billion) (2012)
Operating income - ¥40.950 billion (US$401 million) (2012)
Net income - ¥23.012 billion (US$113 million) (2012)
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EA:
Revenue - US$3.797 billion (2013)
Operating income - US$121.00 million (2013)
Net income - US$98.00 million (2013)
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Boy, Konami sure is bleeding for money. It's a miracle they even manage to put out football games.

If only they were as good at making video games that are proper products as they are at playing the under dog.
 
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