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Enlil said:
The day Adam and KONAMI will admit they don't read the forums or listen to community feedback is the day I will eat my hat. You would think after all this rage they would have come out with a concrete message. but no we need a fucking interpreter from mars to tell us what they mean by " tweaks" . Good job KONAMI. lol
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Calm down dear.
 
Enlil said:
I am the one laughing. If you think I give a shit about the game you are wrong. For me its a game, it's the way this company is treating their customers, as if they are nonexistent.

:APPLAUD::APPLAUD::APPLAUD::APPLAUD:
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Yeah, it is very odd, indeed. I don't really care whether PES turns out great this year or not, it's not really that important to me personally, but I find it very, very strange how Konami "interacts" with their fans/customers (or rather, lacks interaction with their fans). And I'm sad to say that this Adam-guy, who were supposed to be the link between Konami and the European users, seems to be left as much in the dark about the development of things as us. The communication is basically non-existing. I really wonder whether any of the people running Konami have had a proper business course. Rule number one - know your fucking customer base.

Does anyone have any statistics on the sales of FIFA vs PES over the last few years? Would be interesting to see the development of that.
 
I dont know if these are accurate but http://www.vgchartz.com/ has some figures. Remember the game is released every year, even with 1 million copies sold every year they should manage to pay for all cost and still make a profit.
 
Enlil said:
I dont know if these are accurate but http://www.vgchartz.com/ has some figures. Remember the game is released every year, even with 1 million copies sold every year they should manage to pay for all cost and still make a profit.
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Nice, thanks for the link. Interesting stuff. Not too shabby for PES in 2012, but remarkably lower than all the Fifa iterations. PES is not yet on this year's list, as far as I can see.
 
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I rarely play the game these days but I gave it another go with some exhibition matches tonight. I'm desperately trying to like the game, and keep mucking around with tactics to see if I can get a better experience out of it, but man, it's so boring. The AI for your fellow team mates is worse than PES2013. In that, if you had the ball in midfield and slowed the play down you'd see team mates running off the ball in all sorts of directions trying to make space.

If this game, no matter what tactics I set up, my midfielders just stand around waiting for the ball. The only runs thoe AI makes of it's own accord are those looking for through passes, or breaks down the wing. Play a patient build up and no-one seems to bother moving into intelligent positions further up the pitch. Everyone just stands around.

When playing the game it feels like it's trying to force you into spamming the lofted through ball or by going down the wings and putting crosses in. Apart from these tactics, the game doesn't seem to want you to play any other way. And that's plain boring.
 
Sorry for any misunderstanding but this new update. Its new gameplay and faces etc.... or just boots and faces.

Is the gameplay coming later? The gameplay will certianly look and play like a new game after this update.

I can only think they released early as mostly a corporate decision for sales and also in regards to bug fixing. Seems it was inevitable this game would have bugs and desipte the whole 'beta' feel to this version. It seems as if it will be benefical in the long run. I think we have found a ton more issues than konami would of found even if released later.

Is it just me but looking at the faces. Especially mascherano. Have konami just used their old face template and simply put necessary upgrades on them so they work in 2014. His face especially looks littke to no different than on PES 2013. A lot of those la liga faces dont look massivley detailed or look as if they took a high resolutio photo with shadows above the players eyes left in.

Im not saying this is bad. More a decision than you cant get every face to be as detailed as messi or cristiano etc...
 
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Yes Klash, the first time i look at some of them, PES 2013 comes into my mind, lol. But they will look great in the game Klash. PES 2013 faces are already good enough, the lighting and texture in PES 2014 will make a difference. Fox engine, yay..
 
Only noticed this today but on the advertisements on the ground next to the goals it says Pro Evolution Soccer but then in a replay I noticed in smaller letters it said Beta underneath - thought that was odd in a final release game, any one else noticed this?
Wonder why it's there? Weird
 
I'm not 100% sure but I think he already did a couple times before. It is somewhere in this thread or 2013's.
 
Do you know if there is a outside foot passing animation in Pes 2014? Just saw Fifa 14 gameplay and you often see beautiful outside foot passing. Its a nice detail, havent noticed it in Pes 2014 unfortunately.
 
Coach pep said:
Do you know if there is a outside foot passing animation in Pes 2014? Just saw Fifa 14 gameplay and you often see beautiful outside foot passing. Its a nice detail, havent noticed it in Pes 2014 unfortunately.
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Yes there is. I´ve seen a couple ones. It depends on the player you control and specially on the situation.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
I rarely play the game these days but I gave it another go with some exhibition matches tonight. I'm desperately trying to like the game, and keep mucking around with tactics to see if I can get a better experience out of it, but man, it's so boring. The AI for your fellow team mates is worse than PES2013. In that, if you had the ball in midfield and slowed the play down you'd see team mates running off the ball in all sorts of directions trying to make space.

If this game, no matter what tactics I set up, my midfielders just stand around waiting for the ball. The only runs thoe AI makes of it's own accord are those looking for through passes, or breaks down the wing. Play a patient build up and no-one seems to bother moving into intelligent positions further up the pitch. Everyone just stands around.

When playing the game it feels like it's trying to force you into spamming the lofted through ball or by going down the wings and putting crosses in. Apart from these tactics, the game doesn't seem to want you to play any other way. And that's plain boring.
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Midfielder just stands around and wait ? We must have played different game then..

I play germany with its default gameplan setting.. whenever i take it slow in the middle.. defender, the winger, or other midfielder normally move into better position asking for the ball.
 
Weird. The only midfielders to break forwards are ones designated as attacking midfielders. Players marked as just central midfielders seem to just stand around.
 
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Weird. The only midfielders to break forwards are ones designated as attacking midfielders. Players marked as just central midfielders seem to just stand around.
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That's not the case for me.

I never see the case you describe where the CPU goes wide and plays it short to the near post either. I've come up against long ball tactics, direct passing and possession play quite often, using Top Player in ML. It sounds very much like you're a victim of your own tactics to me. A team is more likely to go wide if your defense is very narrow, and a team is very likely to play it short if the man at the near post is unmarked and the passing angle isn't being blocked off by the fullback.
 
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romagnoli said:
That's not the case for me.

I never see the case you describe where the CPU goes wide and plays it short to the near post either. I've come up against long ball tactics, direct passing and possession play quite often, using Top Player in ML. It sounds very much like you're a victim of your own tactics to me. A team is more likely to go wide if your defense is very narrow, and a team is very likely to play it short if the man at the near post is unmarked and the passing angle isn't being blocked off by the fullback.
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That one does happen. Which in one hand it is normal because when a player is free near post, but i have a mixed feeling about this.

First, the cpu rarely make a ground cross (double tap :circle:) for this situation, instead it was like just normal ground pass :X: directly to the attacker's foot. It sometimes take away the joy of seeing CPU's attacking play.

Second, our defender is kinda being pushed automatically behind the cpu attacker before our cursor get to him. Although it is getting easier to overcome this because most of the time, we already know that from this situation the cpu will do the same thing over and over (pass to near post). So get our cursor earlier to the defender near him, supercancel if needed, then move him in front cpu attacker to intercept. This is quite predictable which is something we don't really want to see often from CPU.

All in all, as a human controlled player, there is quite amount of output we can make from crossing area.. especially with the manual modifier. This what i personally would like cpu to take advantages too.

I feel the need to add defender awareness too. for instances i play one two with a midfielder from my area, this man will run forward and pass by cpu defender as if they don't anticipate. hence, late run and lose momentum. It encourages us to get easy lob through ball. In PES 2013, the cpu defender often read this situation perfectly. Balance between PES 2014 and 2013 will be very nice i guess. Especially, if defender attributes plays significant role.
 
Enlil said:
Then provide us with accurate information.
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That's not nearly as easy as it sounds, companies only divulge numbers to the general public when it fits their purpose. So, if PES 2014 sells remarkably well, you could probably read about it in a Konami press release. If it doesn't, Konami will not tell you about it unless they're trying to make a point.

As far as VGChartz go, it's not accurate at all. NPD is a good source, but you'll hardly find any numbers for PES.

Best bet would be to wait for Konami's fiscal year reports.
 
Played this game yesterday and we are being faaar too harsh on it.

I dont know how I got sucked into this shit flinging. Yes there are issues, yes Konami could do better but what is there is not half as bad as how it is portrayed here.
 
zeemeister said:
Played this game yesterday and we are being faaar too harsh on it.

I dont know how I got sucked into this shit flinging. Yes there are issues, yes Konami could do better but what is there is not half as bad as how it is portrayed here.
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Sure, that's why i am in 3rd season of ML campaign... on PC :))

@Lami
Recently, we are discussing the way Konami PES team handle gameplay feedback, etc. They show less effort/communication to be engaged with fan especially the loyal one. No wonder something is blown out of proportion.
 
romagnoli said:
That's not the case for me.

I never see the case you describe where the CPU goes wide and plays it short to the near post either. I've come up against long ball tactics, direct passing and possession play quite often, using Top Player in ML. It sounds very much like you're a victim of your own tactics to me. A team is more likely to go wide if your defense is very narrow, and a team is very likely to play it short if the man at the near post is unmarked and the passing angle isn't being blocked off by the fullback.
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That's the thing, I do counteract it, and the game rarely ever scores from this method, but it still tries to do the same thing over and over and it's the fact that it tries it that drives me nuts. To counteract the long pass over the top of the full back, I just set the FB position deeper than the CBs. But if the COM is in any kind of crossing position, it seems to always try passing to the near post along the ground.

I can easily cut out the low pass to the near post by taking control of a CB in the middle and nipping ahead of the attacker but I still don't want the game to keep trying the tactic over and over. I don't even play a narrow defence, and I've tried altering its width at all ends of the spectrum but the game always passes rather than crosses whenever it gets into those kind of positions.
 
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zeemeister said:
Played this game yesterday and we are being faaar too harsh on it.

I dont know how I got sucked into this shit flinging. Yes there are issues, yes Konami could do better but what is there is not half as bad as how it is portrayed here.
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Maybe. I know my complaints are being amplified by the lack of variety in goals you can score. In previous PES games I used to post loads of videos in the ML threads showing goals I'd scored, but all the goals in this feel the same and I can't get excited about any of them. That's my number one complaint. If they can alter this in the patch then great, otherwise I'm not spending hours upon hours playing the game and scoring the same headers from crosses, the same types of finishes when through on goal, and never bothering to try anything extravagant because I know for a fact that it won't work. That's no way to play a football game.

That said, I am hopeful. One of the patches in PES2013 managed to rectify the fact that you could score R2 shots from outside the box far too easily, so this type of thing can be altered regarding shooting and keepers.
 
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Oh, come on! There's plenty to whinge about! Do I have to remind you?

- incredibly shit goalkeepers
- incredibly poor defensive AI (especially in tournaments and ML)
- shit awareness and reactions, especially in and around the box
- no variety in goals
- only 16 or something stadia, and most of them look exactly the same
- slow menus

To name a few. It's pretty poor for a PES, allright. But! Can hopefully be fixed with a proper patch.
 
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