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OMG, how many spoilers did you put?![]()
For you, maybe.no, online is fundemental to games like call of duty, battlefield etc...
for sports games, single player modes are fundamental and most important aspects.
Yes... You may play a football game just to play against the CPU, but there are thousands more who play solely online so for the PES series to be successful it needs to improve substantially in that area whether you like it or not.
I already said I put gameplay above other aspects, but the example I mentioned (lack of 2v2 with a guest) is completely gameplay related and as AntrAcsA pointed out - it isn't due to engine limitations so it's simply some stupid decision making by Konami.Fundamental is gameplay. Second is features in game. In features in game online is fundamental but if You look stricte into a game not for package gameplay is fundamental. That's all.
I can't understand your argument about gameplay & online. In my point of view, gameplay & AI should be number one priority for every game. Online (which is very important nowadays) depends on gameplay-AI of the game. I can't explain how can someone play a game with crappy gameplay-AI, but with fantastic online modes.
I agree, the ideal would be a pes with fantastic gameplay-AI-online. But personally i couldn't play a game with crappy or even mediocre gameplay. That's why i can't play fifa for a very long time, even if it has some very good (almost addictive) online modes.
Yeah... All that's needed is good/quick matchmaking with players of a similar skill level, 2v2 (with guest and on 4 consoles), 5v5 (preferably 11v11) clubs mode and an MLO that can compete with FIFA's Ultimate Team... I don't think any of these are beyond reasonable expectations yet Konami has failed to deliver the majority of that for years.It's not exactly hard to have a great online (although Konami is strangely always finding new ways to fail miserably), the same can't be said about great gameplay&AI.
No. Fundamental is gameplay. Second is features in game. In features in game online is fundamental but if You look stricte into a game not for package gameplay is fundamental. That's all.
Where's your source for this claim? I haven't seen any figures published to give numbers on the matter.more people play sports games in single player modes than online.
and it is a fact.
Nobody has said otherwise... If we were saying "screw the gameplay, we want 11v11" then I'd understand people's reactions.thus, i agree with others saying GAMEPLAY is fundamental. that's the key point i hope we can all agree with.
I don't get this discussion, isn't it better for everyone that both the single player and online play are completely overhauled/fixed?
you say this but even though i absolutely love pes 2013 manual gameplay i could never find an online game, so i sold it for sub-par fifa gameplay but also easy matchmaking
what is the point in good gameplay when you cant use it how you want? lets flip the scenario for all you 'non-online' people... say they stripped out every single player mode, how would you feel then?
Just seems everyone expected Konami to fail this year and now want to choose for themselves what to be, single or online mode
It is sad but no one believes in Konami anymore, nobody believes that we will can have complete and good game![]()
I never say " WANTS" , of course everyone want great game, but ... there is a big difference between want and expectI don't think for a moment anyone wants Konami to fail. Everyone wants a great game. A game that has competent A.I; a game that provides us with an excellent offline and online experience. That's the reason we have been debating pes on the internet for the last 7 years. I think people are just frustrated, and can't understand why Konami haven't delivered.
99% bollocks.Is there any PES14 news or is it just 16 pages of bollocks so far?
I never say " WANTS" , of course everyone want great game, but ... there is a big difference between want and expect![]()
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The name of the topic is "PES 2014 Discussion Thread". If you want only news about PES 2014 go to Konami's website and wait for official announcements...
discuss it then!
If my memory serves me correctly, first solid PES information, screens, trailers etc... is usually released around the end of April.
And Adam said this year announcement is a bit later because they are preparing much more content to be released.