PES 2014 Discussion Thread

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no, online is fundemental to games like call of duty, battlefield etc...

for sports games, single player modes are fundamental and most important aspects.
 
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MadbaLL said:
no, online is fundemental to games like call of duty, battlefield etc...

for sports games, single player modes are fundamental and most important aspects.
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For you, maybe.

More than enough people play sports games online for the online side to be a key aspect to develop. Finding statistics on such things is difficult but here's a Kotaku article about FIFA 09:

http://kotaku.com/5151098/more-people-play-fifa-than-you-could-possibly-imagine

They don't mention who their source was but that number doesn't sound too farfetched to me. Over 1 million games played per day and that was back in 2008/9.

So online is very much fundamental to the package of a good sports game - whether you enjoy it or not is your prerogative, but don't pretend to know things you don't have a clue about.
 
lons_pl said:
No.
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Yes... You may play a football game just to play against the CPU, but there are thousands more who play solely online so for the PES series to be successful it needs to improve substantially in that area whether you like it or not.

lons_pl said:
Fundamental is gameplay. Second is features in game. In features in game online is fundamental but if You look stricte into a game not for package gameplay is fundamental. That's all.
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I already said I put gameplay above other aspects, but the example I mentioned (lack of 2v2 with a guest) is completely gameplay related and as AntrAcsA pointed out - it isn't due to engine limitations so it's simply some stupid decision making by Konami.

That is a concern because if Konami can make such easily-avoided and bizarre mistakes like that (it's one of their hallmarks, has been for years), it's logical to expect more of the same even in terms of gameplay or anything else. That's most likely why many here aren't getting too hyped up for PES 2014 because despite having a new engine, the same team is behind it that's made these monumental fuck ups in the past.

To make an analogy relating it to F1 - If you put Bruno Senna (who has made many mistakes and crashes a lot), into a Red Bull car (best car on the grid) it's very unlikely he's going to be world champion at the end of the season. Senna = Konami, Red Bull = Fox Engine.

Adding to that though, we don't even anything about how well the Fox Engine works in terms of a football game... We can see that visually it looks nice from test screenshots/MGS but the physics and implementation of gameplay are entirely yet-to-be-seen with only a few tidbits released by Konami (i.e. Barycentre physics).
Konami's word isn't that strong though really, remember THIS?
 
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I can't understand your argument about gameplay & online. In my point of view, gameplay & AI should be number one priority for every game. Online (which is very important nowadays) depends on gameplay-AI of the game. I can't explain how can someone play a game with crappy gameplay-AI, but with fantastic online modes.

I agree, the ideal would be a pes with fantastic gameplay-AI-online. But personally i couldn't play a game with crappy or even mediocre gameplay. That's why i can't play fifa for a very long time, even if it has some very good (almost addictive) online modes.
 
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It's not exactly hard to have a great online (although Konami is strangely always finding new ways to fail miserably), the same can't be said about great gameplay&AI.
 
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broxopios said:
I can't understand your argument about gameplay & online. In my point of view, gameplay & AI should be number one priority for every game. Online (which is very important nowadays) depends on gameplay-AI of the game. I can't explain how can someone play a game with crappy gameplay-AI, but with fantastic online modes.

I agree, the ideal would be a pes with fantastic gameplay-AI-online. But personally i couldn't play a game with crappy or even mediocre gameplay. That's why i can't play fifa for a very long time, even if it has some very good (almost addictive) online modes.
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+ 1 You exactly know what i mean :APPLAUD:
 
_anderson said:
It's not exactly hard to have a great online (although Konami is strangely always finding new ways to fail miserably), the same can't be said about great gameplay&AI.
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Yeah... All that's needed is good/quick matchmaking with players of a similar skill level, 2v2 (with guest and on 4 consoles), 5v5 (preferably 11v11) clubs mode and an MLO that can compete with FIFA's Ultimate Team... I don't think any of these are beyond reasonable expectations yet Konami has failed to deliver the majority of that for years.

All of that is pointless of course if the gameplay isn't up to scratch, I'm not saying that game modes will save the game if the gameplay is poor. The other way around, the gameplay does somewhat redeem the game having poor features (hence why I still play PES 2013 more often than FIFA).
 
lons_pl said:
No. Fundamental is gameplay. Second is features in game. In features in game online is fundamental but if You look stricte into a game not for package gameplay is fundamental. That's all.
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you say this but even though i absolutely love pes 2013 manual gameplay i could never find an online game, so i sold it for sub-par fifa gameplay but also easy matchmaking

what is the point in good gameplay when you cant use it how you want? lets flip the scenario for all you 'non-online' people... say they stripped out every single player mode, how would you feel then?
 
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MadbaLL said:
more people play sports games in single player modes than online.

and it is a fact.
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Where's your source for this claim? I haven't seen any figures published to give numbers on the matter.

Even if you're right, the success of FIFA is in no small part down to it's implementation of solid online features - the popularity of online gaming is clearly evident so it's stupid of Konami to not give the online modes some substance.

MadbaLL said:
thus, i agree with others saying GAMEPLAY is fundamental. that's the key point i hope we can all agree with.
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Nobody has said otherwise... If we were saying "screw the gameplay, we want 11v11" then I'd understand people's reactions.

There just seems to be a lot of people misunderstanding what's been posted or simply not making the effort to read the thread properly and coming back with bullshit posts.
 
I don't get this discussion, isn't it better for everyone that both the single player and online play are completely overhauled/fixed?
 
fanolato said:
I don't get this discussion, isn't it better for everyone that both the single player and online play are completely overhauled/fixed?
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Just seems everyone expected Konami to fail this year and now want to choose for themselves what to be, single or online mode :BRMM:
It is sad but no one believes in Konami anymore, nobody believes that we will can have complete and good game :)
 
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Matty_17 said:
you say this but even though i absolutely love pes 2013 manual gameplay i could never find an online game, so i sold it for sub-par fifa gameplay but also easy matchmaking

what is the point in good gameplay when you cant use it how you want? lets flip the scenario for all you 'non-online' people... say they stripped out every single player mode, how would you feel then?
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I know what You mean. I play Pes only online too but seriously first for what i look is gameplay and second is online. If I can choose between good gameplay and poor online features and awesome online features and archaic gameplay i definitely would choose first option ;) Of course all we want brilliant gameplay and awesome online features:BOP:
 
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AntrAcsA said:
Just seems everyone expected Konami to fail this year and now want to choose for themselves what to be, single or online mode :BRMM:
It is sad but no one believes in Konami anymore, nobody believes that we will can have complete and good game :)
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I don't think for a moment anyone wants Konami to fail. Everyone wants a great game. A game that has competent A.I; a game that provides us with an excellent offline and online experience. That's the reason we have been debating pes on the internet for the last 7 years. I think people are just frustrated, and can't understand why Konami haven't delivered.
 
stephen said:
I don't think for a moment anyone wants Konami to fail. Everyone wants a great game. A game that has competent A.I; a game that provides us with an excellent offline and online experience. That's the reason we have been debating pes on the internet for the last 7 years. I think people are just frustrated, and can't understand why Konami haven't delivered.
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I never say " WANTS" , of course everyone want great game, but ... there is a big difference between want and expect;) ;)
 
The name of the topic is "PES 2014 Discussion Thread". If you want only news about PES 2014 go to Konami's website and wait for official announcements...
 
AntrAcsA said:
I never say " WANTS" , of course everyone want great game, but ... there is a big difference between want and expect;) ;)
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Of course, expectation levels are very low. Like I pointed out; we are still scratching our heads in disbelief from the last 6 years of why Konami decided to stick with an inferior engine, coupled with crazy decisions and why they didn't take the plunge sooner. This is of course going to cause people to be slightly apprehensive towards the new title. We will know soon enough though.

@Steelhorse - 100% bollocks mate.
 
The guilt is not in Evo-web society for that KONAMI is so silent this year. In the past in April we had plenty of information. It is strange , this year we will have a new engine in Pes 2014 and we need much more information . The game will be relesed in october and we do not even know how it will look :SHOCK: .
 
If my memory serves me correctly, first solid PES information, screens, trailers etc... is usually released around the end of April.
 
Ipswich69 said:
If my memory serves me correctly, first solid PES information, screens, trailers etc... is usually released around the end of April.
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And Adam said this year announcement is a bit later because they are preparing much more content to be released.
 
Ameppe said:
And Adam said this year announcement is a bit later because they are preparing much more content to be released.
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Which I take that as not much. They won't reveal too much simply because they can't. They just won't have enough material to show. Mid-summer is when it all heats up, no pun intended.
 
I'm happy that they don't have anything to show as yet. Indicates we have finally seen the end of PES2010-2013 which just seemed tweaks. They gonna show something substantial and very different..........I hope.
 
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