RockyJJP
FIFA fan, PES lover
Oh ok thanx. Was extremely confused
PES 2014 Discussion Thread
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Oh ok thanx. Was extremely confused
reinelt97
League 1
- 29 September 2007
Blimey, the game is indeed a lot tougher post-patch. I'm really struggling in ML on World Class level. Any tips? Also, what game speed is generally best? I've been using the default but was wondering if -1 might help give me a bit more time on the ball.
Giving this game another go since the patch. Now I think is the time to give it a real go considering its in a retail state. I am enjoying it. It challenging on superstar 1 bar pass assistance. Feels smooth and I'm getting used to the movement of player s in the way they change direction etc. But so far very nice. Graphics are good enough and havent seen too much nosense from ai. More patches like this and it could a real little belter.
robbieryan
I dream of occasional fanzine mentions
-1 is perfect for me.
zeemeister
foxy engine
Dude how on earth did you get that blasted flat cross?!
ML over 20 games and nothing. Downloaded the digital version and will see if it pays any different
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All that glitters isn't gold. PES 2014 on the 7 year old PS3 plays a better game of football than FIFA 14 on the 5 month old PS4
Well said mate, look. . . .if it's not the near post it's the refs or the through ball or whatever, it has to be something. The game is great . .a few imperfections but show me the perfect game.
- Finally, they've (somewhat) fixed the shooting! I like that whenever I try to blast left-footed shots with the likes of Felliani and Valencia, the ball skies over the bar every time.
- I've for some reason just started to use the grounded shots with Y and the keeper keeps on saving them with his feet. Maybe I need to play a few more games.
- Through balls seem to be useless for me now. Anything less than halfways seems incredibly timid. Y seems to work as a O-lite button because it's always passing behind the player not ahead.
- For some reason the difficulty I had set at Superstar diverted back to Top Player, and it's much more difficult. Although, one should note I've only played a handful of games in the past couple of months.
- I've for some reason just started to use the grounded shots with Y and the keeper keeps on saving them with his feet. Maybe I need to play a few more games.
- Through balls seem to be useless for me now. Anything less than halfways seems incredibly timid. Y seems to work as a O-lite button because it's always passing behind the player not ahead.
- For some reason the difficulty I had set at Superstar diverted back to Top Player, and it's much more difficult. Although, one should note I've only played a handful of games in the past couple of months.
It's much better since this last patch. I actually enjoy the game now.
One of the key things is that it feels balanced, which is great because both Attack and Defence feel rewarding in their own ways and there's a skill to both. I played online earlier and there was little lag; it was enjoyable.
Another thing I like, which many might not, is how you need to pay attention to the direction your player receives the ball in. If a player is running one way, and you try to trap the ball and run the other instantly then often you'll just end up with a really heavy touch and give the ball away. You need to look where they are moving and adjust your own direction accordingly.
Complaints:
Even though shooting has been fixed (well balanced), it's still so very basic. Players can't and don't struggle to get powerful shots in and around the goal area from any angle at any stage. It needs to be contextual and based on their body position. They need to work on that in PES 2015 because it's probably the kind of thing I'd expect from a sub-par PS1 football game at present. Kudos to them for making most long shots go slightly over the bar now. At least there's a reason not to shoot from distance all the time.
Players feel so flimsy on the ball, and can get knocked off it too easily which promotes a passing game but only because they seem to lack control and you know it's better to give the ball to another player than to try to hold onto it.
Player switching. Might just be online but it's bad. I've had many problems in defence where it switches to a player further away from the ball, and it won't switch fluidly to the guy I want.
One of the key things is that it feels balanced, which is great because both Attack and Defence feel rewarding in their own ways and there's a skill to both. I played online earlier and there was little lag; it was enjoyable.
Another thing I like, which many might not, is how you need to pay attention to the direction your player receives the ball in. If a player is running one way, and you try to trap the ball and run the other instantly then often you'll just end up with a really heavy touch and give the ball away. You need to look where they are moving and adjust your own direction accordingly.
Complaints:
Even though shooting has been fixed (well balanced), it's still so very basic. Players can't and don't struggle to get powerful shots in and around the goal area from any angle at any stage. It needs to be contextual and based on their body position. They need to work on that in PES 2015 because it's probably the kind of thing I'd expect from a sub-par PS1 football game at present. Kudos to them for making most long shots go slightly over the bar now. At least there's a reason not to shoot from distance all the time.
Players feel so flimsy on the ball, and can get knocked off it too easily which promotes a passing game but only because they seem to lack control and you know it's better to give the ball to another player than to try to hold onto it.
Player switching. Might just be online but it's bad. I've had many problems in defence where it switches to a player further away from the ball, and it won't switch fluidly to the guy I want.
Anybody else having problems avoiding relegation on Superstar Master League offline. The CPU is determined to send me down no matter what I do.
You could even try Moyes tactics the other night of 9 in the box defending and you still won't stop it.
The old Pes 13 scripting of conceding a quick goal or two is back. . . .must have came free with the accurate hard shots.
Nevertheless it's still very enjoyable. . . have to avoid the sack though.
You could even try Moyes tactics the other night of 9 in the box defending and you still won't stop it.
The old Pes 13 scripting of conceding a quick goal or two is back. . . .must have came free with the accurate hard shots.
Nevertheless it's still very enjoyable. . . have to avoid the sack though.
- The binary outcome of the shove stick (RS) is still in full effect. Either they stumble as you get the ball from them, or they do that weird 3-step stumble before falling and winning a foul. Don't think I've ever seen a player do that animation without winning a free kick. Doesn't matter whether it's Felliani or Mata shoving Modric, FK every time.
- I still have little use for the through pass button. Passing seems much harder in terms of placing the direction and makes through passing exponentially harder. I've pulled off or almost pulled off a few after 50 or so attempts at it.
- Free kicks are still pretty easy with the guide on.
- I'm not able to attack any corners. Don't know whether this is due to improved defense or just static attackers.
- Central defenders are still prone to getting sucked in to doubling a player when it's not needed.
- I've noticed what someone said yesterday/today about players winning FK/penalties after already shooting. I won a PK with RVP from this.
- I've still not been able to score a grounded goal.
- I still have little use for the through pass button. Passing seems much harder in terms of placing the direction and makes through passing exponentially harder. I've pulled off or almost pulled off a few after 50 or so attempts at it.
- Free kicks are still pretty easy with the guide on.
- I'm not able to attack any corners. Don't know whether this is due to improved defense or just static attackers.
- Central defenders are still prone to getting sucked in to doubling a player when it's not needed.
- I've noticed what someone said yesterday/today about players winning FK/penalties after already shooting. I won a PK with RVP from this.
- I've still not been able to score a grounded goal.
Sack Moyes, sell Giggs!
zeemeister
foxy engine
1st game ML against Middlesborough and 3 low crosses by the COM wtf have you done Suuuuupertalk?
This thing is old, i have not seen any goals on corner kick since I have the game, and I have it since day one. Dont know what the problem really is, I think that you are right saying the attackers are static + the fact that the headers are really weak. Even the AI cant score on a corner kick
Pedderrs
Conference
- 22 September 2013
This new patch has made me use manual pass a lot more. I actually prefer to use manual pass instead of basic through ball in the final third. Some beautiful balls played.
I've scored hundreds of goals from corners...
I've scored hundreds of goals from corners...
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andy18cruz
Sth, sth ... dark side
I've scored tone of goals from corners. And they feel very realistic, with a player coming from behind and hitting the ball with tones of force. The CPU on the other hand as struggled immensely to score, altough I saw a few.
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ZeroTheHero
Banned
Watch the attackers movement pattern and time the corner to just before they start to move against the goal. Before they removed the manual A/D levels you could push and pull players in and out of the box but now you simply have to wait and time it. At least that's how I do it.
It looks like it will be sack Moyes halfway through next season and appoint Giggs as manager.
Shikashi
League 1
- 6 November 2009
Finally got around playing the PS3 version with Plus, wow. The game is almost unplayable on PS3. Really poor, I hated it.
I feel bad for people that can't play on 360 or PC. This is laughable, to say the least.
I feel bad for people that can't play on 360 or PC. This is laughable, to say the least.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
In all seriousness, I think I've seen you mention that before about the near post passes, but for some reason I'm totally oblivious to that issue, on any version of the game since launch. Weird.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Scored a few corners over the months by luck mostly, I think, rather than skill... Engaging the shot button as soon as possible after the kick though and following Zero's advice above helps. In contrast, I've scored a shed load of crosses though by using manual modifier in combination with the R2 button for loft and curve.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Fair enough, my version before the patches was really noticeable, all the COM did was the same pass to the near post over and over again. Strange we see it different, but there you go.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Haha sorry!!
I actually played a couple of games tonight and didn't see it, strange as it was constant in my game last night.
I'm still not a massive fan of the game but I will admit Konami have made it much, much more playable with all the patches. So fair enough to them for that. I personally can't wait for PES on PS4, there are a lot of good things about the game but for me it just doesn't all come together properly. But it's a first attempt on limited hardware so we'll see where they go from here.
zeemeister
foxy engine
I suspect it may be down to team tactics
RockyJJP
FIFA fan, PES lover
after reading here, i've finally gone back to PES and DL'd 1.5 or 1.10 and its clear to see. this should have been launch code. it's finally playable and getting more enjoyable everytime.
Only, what speed does everyone play on and still feels bit sluggish when trying to head clear and the player chests it. maybe im not imputing right or its a timing thing.
Only, what speed does everyone play on and still feels bit sluggish when trying to head clear and the player chests it. maybe im not imputing right or its a timing thing.
Chimps-with-quiffs
Champions League
- 11 August 2003
I never got near any corners until I spent a good half hour practicing them.
I use andvance shooting, I am sure you need to hold shoot down for power and then press it again for the timing of the jump and header
I use andvance shooting, I am sure you need to hold shoot down for power and then press it again for the timing of the jump and header
Do you think the main problem at this point is how lifeless attacking feels? Nothing really feels very rewarding; from build-up play to taking shots it's all quite dull. Shots never really take you by surprise, and it's just really slow when it should be more dynamic and exciting. You seem to get a lot of attacking opportunities which perhaps isn't the best way for the game to play. It'd be better if you got attacking opportunities less and if they felt more exciting when they did happen.
As far as I see it, this is the biggest problem with the game alongside players lacking control on the ball and the patch really hasn't done much to fix either of these issues.
I didn't like the game pre-patch but now I'd be willing to say that PES 2014 is a game of good parts, but not a good game as a whole.
As far as I see it, this is the biggest problem with the game alongside players lacking control on the ball and the patch really hasn't done much to fix either of these issues.
I didn't like the game pre-patch but now I'd be willing to say that PES 2014 is a game of good parts, but not a good game as a whole.
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I AM getting very little attacking opportunities but you have to take them cos the CPU just shoots and scores at will.
I find it's better on -1 speed otherwise it can end up like the alamo trying to stop attacks.
If you can hold on to the ball and shrug off players pressuring it helps.
There is nice build up play, just depends on your tactics and approach. This is on Superstar I can't vouch for other levels.
The way I play, I get so many counter-attacking opportunities and they basically end every time with my players on the ball, who then become a hell of a lot slower than the 5 or 6 defenders who track back and (very quickly) get behind my attackers. Attackers are very rarely interested in making any darting runs, choosing instead to take the most obvious run straight into a defenders path. Passing the ball becomes pointless when you're crowded out like this because you know the ball's path will probably go into the direction of the defender who will always react quicker than attacker making the run into that position. You can take one of those missile-long shots which always seem to go on target but the GK will probably end up catching it so what's the point. I don't think these are an issue. I'd rather they didn't go in, but I'd rather the shooting physics not be terrible as well.
There's a bunch of issues with the game but in the final-third they all seem to come together just to annoy me. It's all very static (too static) and I feel the only way to succeed is to play an unrealistic way. For instance, the best success I've had is to keep the ball with one player, weaving in and out of the defenders, which to be honest looks ridiculous when you're not playing with Messi/Bale/Ronaldo etc, but it works very well with most players so long as you can anticipate which way to dribble.
I really can see why they've chosen to balance it this way but I think it's been a bit of a quick job that was there to masquerade the flaws on release which they still haven't been able to fix properly with their 10 patches to date.
The game does play well, but really only in the middle of the pitch when the time it takes to pass and trap the ball appears to mimic the realistic slower style that a team will play in that position. I'd also be willing to say that defending has been improved immensely but Attacking still hasn't been changed to suit a dynamic style. It plays like it does in the middle and it shouldn't because football teams tend to take more risks in the final third, move about a lot more, and look for runs they wouldn't make in the middle. It's just much faster, and there's more errors as a result there. The languid style of the attackers in this game is Berbatov-esque but not all players are like Dimitar.
Somebody get me on the phone to Japan.
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