PES 2014 Discussion Thread

[reinelt97]

The thing that stands out for me, despite there still being certain niggles in the gameplay post-patch, is just how good the CPU AI is in single player. Different teams play differently and intelligently.

I played a World Cup last night (not the new paid for one) with England and had three very different games in the group stage including a 1-1 with North Korea in which they scored a stunning long range goal and a mad backs-to-the-wall 1-0 victory vs Columbia who played a technically far superior game to me. Just defending a lucky break-away goal was fun.

One issue I have noticed is the ref and the way free kicks are implemented. A couple of times now I have whipped a cross in and either scored or forced a good opportunity, only for play to be pulled back to the wing and a free kick for me for some little contact after the cross came in. Frustrating and costly in a big game.

Otherwise, shooting is better, a bit mad but fun while passing doesn't feel quite as good as it did but is still better than Fifa's system.

 

[Lami]

But if that were the case, I shouldn't be able to draw Barcelona with a team like Heerenveen. Why aren't they destroying me 4-0?

Why did Celtic beat Barca 2-1?

 

[Deco]

Something isn't quite right here and I'd like some feedback on this.

After I first downloaded the patch, Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 underwent a ridiculous overhaul. It's almost as if Konami reverted back to their old animation system. The game was more rigid. The back four stayed where they were, dribbling wasn't as dynamic, etc. It's like I was playing Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 with a graphic upgrade. The amount of changes to the game was a bit mind-blowing. Almost hard to believe.

Well, I decided to completely wipe my hard drive clean of all PES files. No option file, no data packs, and no patches. After playing the game in it's original form for an hour, I soon got bored of that and redownloaded the latest patch and all of the data packs that released since release. What I got was a completely different game to the one I played after first downloading the newest patch.

I couldn't help but notice that some people here have talked about Konami giving up on the animation system. That the new patch no longer utilises M.A.S.S. Someone even described the patch as a "Pro Evo 13 + 14 hybrid". That is exactly what I got after first downloading the patch, but downloading it a second time it's completely different. The animation system is the same. It's nothing like Pro Evo 2013.

I think something has gone wrong somewhere for some users downloading the patch. The M.A.S.S animation system is still being used and yet some of our posters seem to think they changed the animations. They have, in that it's smoother, but they haven't dumped their core system.

As I say, I'd like some feedback on this.

Do you think it's worse or better than the first download that you played? I said that it was a hybrid and I think it is, you just have to look at the dribbling and shooting. This was done to try please all the Pes 13 cheerleaders and now that they have it they'll probably moan about something else.

To me the dribbling is more angular in turning as it was in PES 2013 and the shooting slightly overpowered and accurate but I still think the patch is brilliant. I don't take part in the "I'm always right" gang or I have to win matches the way I used to win them years ago.

The refs have an annoying habit of pulling back play for a trivial foul and the goalies are diving a split second too late sometimes but it doesn't stop me enjoying the positives in the game. I really don't know what people expect from this game anymore, it can't be tailor made to everybody's individual tastes.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Supertalk the Ai no longer does the low cross I haven't had one in about a dozen ML games

Can I get a hallelujah!

You mean someone at Konami actually picked up on this and fixed it?!

I'm in shock!

 

[Hersby]

Something isn't quite right here and I'd like some feedback on this.

After I first downloaded the patch, Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 underwent a ridiculous overhaul. It's almost as if Konami reverted back to their old animation system. The game was more rigid. The back four stayed where they were, dribbling wasn't as dynamic, etc. It's like I was playing Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 with a graphic upgrade. The amount of changes to the game was a bit mind-blowing. Almost hard to believe.

Well, I decided to completely wipe my hard drive clean of all PES files. No option file, no data packs, and no patches. After playing the game in it's original form for an hour, I soon got bored of that and redownloaded the latest patch and all of the data packs that released since release. What I got was a completely different game to the one I played after first downloading the newest patch.

I couldn't help but notice that some people here have talked about Konami giving up on the animation system. That the new patch no longer utilises M.A.S.S. Someone even described the patch as a "Pro Evo 13 + 14 hybrid". That is exactly what I got after first downloading the patch, but downloading it a second time it's completely different. The animation system is the same. It's nothing like Pro Evo 2013.

I think something has gone wrong somewhere for some users downloading the patch. The M.A.S.S animation system is still being used and yet some of our posters seem to think they changed the animations. They have, in that it's smoother, but they haven't dumped their core system.

As I say, I'd like some feedback on this.

Anyone else tried this and can confirm?? I don't wanna try it if it doens't have any effect.

 

[zeemeister]

Do you think it's worse or better than the first download that you played? I said that it was a hybrid and I think it is, you just have to look at the dribbling and shooting. This was done to try please all the Pes 13 cheerleaders and now that they have it they'll probably moan about something else.

To me the dribbling is more angular in turning as it was in PES 2013 and the shooting slightly overpowered and accurate but I still think the patch is brilliant. I don't take part in the "I'm always right" gang or I have to win matches the way I used to win them years ago.

The refs have an annoying habit of pulling back play for a trivial foul and the goalies are diving a split second too late sometimes but it doesn't stop me enjoying the positives in the game. I really don't know what people expect from this game anymore, it can't be tailor made to everybody's individual tastes.

Agree with everything you say here I haven't had w penalty as yet though but enough free kicks due to silly animations rather than foul play (if that makes any sense)

 

[Onetimer]

How is the player development in ML when playing many seasons?

 

[johnking]

Before I buy any pes in future.
They must fix !
Scripting online and offline it's a joke.
The inept player switching
The stupid Ai of players on your team especially defenders that don't appear to recognize the friggin ball! either stand still or run away from it . It's just plain stupid.
Also fix the gks.

Having said that I don't expect to being the game anytime soon cus they have not got a clue in fixing the above.

 

[Deco]

Agree with everything you say here I haven't had w penalty as yet though but enough free kicks due to silly animations rather than foul play (if that makes any sense)

I don't understand why they programmed the refs to give a free kick after a player shoots and a defenders momentum when trying to block or tackle carries him through the player long after the shots gone into the stands.

It's not even a foul in most cases, a strange one to put in. I'm not going to let a couple of small inconsistencies ruin the experience for me. I think it's a great effort from Konami, superstar is very challenging and that's the way it should be!

 

[bitz]

I haven't bothered with this year's game because performance was really bad in my system - gt630, dualcore 2.8 ghz, 4 gigs of ram. Thus I'm stuck with PES13. New patch seems intriguing from the feedback, I'm curious has performance got any better? Any optimizations for older systems perhaps?

 

[xicpanad]

I haven't bothered with this year's game because performance was really bad in my system - gt630, dualcore 2.8 ghz, 4 gigs of ram. Thus I'm stuck with PES13. New patch seems intriguing from the feedback, I'm curious has performance got any better? Any optimizations for older systems perhaps?

Well, on consoles no one has that problem now does it? Maybe you should post that in PC section, but don´t mind doing it right now, as the PC patch hasn´t been released yet.

 

[zeemeister]

Before I buy any pes in future.
They must fix !
Scripting online and offline it's a joke.
The inept player switching
The stupid Ai of players on your team especially defenders that don't appear to recognize the friggin ball! either stand still or run away from it . It's just plain stupid.
Also fix the gks.

Having said that I don't expect to being the game anytime soon cus they have not got a clue in fixing the above.

Don't know which version you referring to but on ps3 keepers are much improved and the defenders are great, both ai and your players.

Are you preempting the direction of the pass and moving into position or doubletap X to lunge out and either intercept or tackle?

Also player switching is hold L1 and flick right analogue and I seldom have issues in this regard.

 

[PieAir]

Why did Celtic beat Barca 2-1?

At least Celtic were under sustained pressure that day and Barça ended the game with 89% possession. I, on the other hand, was able to get a possession rate of 62% playing with Heerenveen against Barça, whilst playing my second game in weeks. That's just b***s**. I don't want to have the upper hand against them, I want them to destroy me.

 

[Lami]

At least Celtic were under sustained pressure that day and Barça ended the game with 89% possession. I, on the other hand, was able to get a possession rate of 62% playing with Heerenveen against Barça, whilst playing my second game in weeks. That's just b***s**. I don't want to have the upper hand against them, I want them to destroy me.

Are you playing on superstar? That's the difficulty I'm playing on and really struggling. Lost all my games so far.

 

[Honome]

Are you playing on superstar? That's the difficulty I'm playing on and really struggling. Lost all my games so far.

Moyes-gen

 

[Lami]

Haha.

Wait.. I shouldn't be laughing.

 

[rivaldinho]

Can someone post a link of the option file they're using

 

[xicpanad]

At least Celtic were under sustained pressure that day and Barça ended the game with 89% possession. I, on the other hand, was able to get a possession rate of 62% playing with Heerenveen against Barça, whilst playing my second game in weeks. That's just b***s**. I don't want to have the upper hand against them, I want them to destroy me.

Until now I can´t seem to remeber any video game that simulated soccer to that perfection, so maybe you´re expecting too much?
Tactically PES never came perfect out of the box, but with some tweaks on team tactics, you can achieve a closer thing and also harder. Try to tweak Barça´s tactics has they should be. Also, don´t judge PES dificulty playing friendlies, if that´s the case

 

[PieAir]

Maybe you're right, but PES 2011 did this quite well if I remember well. You could really tell whether you faced a strong or a weak opponent in that game, which is one of the reasons why I loved the game so much.

 

[Ipswich69]

At least Celtic were under sustained pressure that day and Barça ended the game with 89% possession. I, on the other hand, was able to get a possession rate of 62% playing with Heerenveen against Barça, whilst playing my second game in weeks. That's just b***s**. I don't want to have the upper hand against them, I want them to destroy me.

Tried replicating your match twice. My effort in the first game to get anywhere near your alleged 62+% resulted in a miserable game of keep-away. An urealistic experience dominated by me trying to ping the ball around in my own half for most of the game so that Barca weren't able to get possession of the ball. Even then I was only able to keep the ball for 49% of the game. Going forward and playing a "proper" and more realistic game of football in the second match resulted in me chasing the ball for much of the game in a 2-0 loss while having about 40% possession.

 

[andy18cruz]

Maybe you're right, but PES 2011 did this quite well if I remember well. You could really tell whether you faced a strong or a weak opponent in that game, which is one of the reasons why I loved the game so much.

IMO PES 2011 wasn't a good football simulation. Had an amazing passing system, tons of freedom, but defense was just terrible, anyone could just burst into to the middle. Plus the lack of animations, and very easy shooting.

To be true, in PES 2014 is much more harder to distinguished between an possession team and a quick counter or long ball has it as in the previous entries, but the gameplay is far superior.

 

[xicpanad]

Maybe you're right, but PES 2011 did this quite well if I remember well. You could really tell whether you faced a strong or a weak opponent in that game, which is one of the reasons why I loved the game so much.

Yeah you might be right about that, I cant remember it though. Think I didn´t enjoy pes 2011 as much as 2013, despite its flaws.

 

[Caniggia]

I'm beginning to like this more and more. It's really growing on me. I play on full manual.

 

[_anderson]

I've loved all the PES games from ISS on the SNES to PES 6, didn't like PES 2008-2010, absolutely loved PES 2011, liked PES 2012-13 and plain hated 2014.

A bit late, but that's pretty much my experience, though I can't say I enjoyed PES2012/2013 but it was tolarable/playable. And yeah, in retrospect, PES 2011 was sublime compared to everything else this gen (but was still a very flawed game).

@Ipswich69(I think): Maybe clunky is not the right word, but there's something really wrong with it imo.

 

[Lostlam]

I really can't believe the leap of the difficulty between pre patch and now.

 

[Ipswich69]

I really can't believe the leap of the difficulty between pre patch and now.

Indeed. I'm glad shooting has been improved because you really need to take your opportunities when you get them. The old ineffectual shooting model with the increase in difficulty would have been incredibly frustrating.

 

[Lostlam]

Indeed. I'm glad shooting has been improved because you really need to take your opportunities when you get them. The old ineffectual shooting model with the increase in difficulty would have been incredibly frustrating.

Defo. I am playing on manual aswell, so it is even more challenging.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Something isn't quite right here and I'd like some feedback on this.

After I first downloaded the patch, Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 underwent a ridiculous overhaul. It's almost as if Konami reverted back to their old animation system. The game was more rigid. The back four stayed where they were, dribbling wasn't as dynamic, etc. It's like I was playing Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 with a graphic upgrade. The amount of changes to the game was a bit mind-blowing. Almost hard to believe.

Well, I decided to completely wipe my hard drive clean of all PES files. No option file, no data packs, and no patches. After playing the game in it's original form for an hour, I soon got bored of that and redownloaded the latest patch and all of the data packs that released since release. What I got was a completely different game to the one I played after first downloading the newest patch.

I couldn't help but notice that some people here have talked about Konami giving up on the animation system. That the new patch no longer utilises M.A.S.S. Someone even described the patch as a "Pro Evo 13 + 14 hybrid". That is exactly what I got after first downloading the patch, but downloading it a second time it's completely different. The animation system is the same. It's nothing like Pro Evo 2013.

I think something has gone wrong somewhere for some users downloading the patch. The M.A.S.S animation system is still being used and yet some of our posters seem to think they changed the animations. They have, in that it's smoother, but they haven't dumped their core system.

As I say, I'd like some feedback on this.

MAAS is shit or not even in the game. Never gonna forget when we played 2vs2 with my mates and once we ran into each other on the midfield and the players were constantly just running at each other for 1 second before they bounced from eachother and continued to run in their basic direction, no collision, nothing. Laughed our asses off it was that sad.

 

[temporaomores]

Indeed. I'm glad shooting has been improved because you really need to take your opportunities when you get them. The old ineffectual shooting model with the increase in difficulty would have been incredibly frustrating.

Ipswich69 is like his team irl.

1.10. patch impressions(thankfully got mates to try the "so called improvements.").

It is better, it made the game better in many areas, but it DOES feel like PES 2013 + 2014 hybrid.

The animations took step back or the transitions were just removed. Feels like PES 2013 on rails now.

MASS didn't really work right due to lack of animations supporting it.

The biggest change? The shooting power and accuracy is ridiculous now. No wonder people have games vs AI ending in goals rout. GKs are still positioning terribly at times leading to lots of goals conceded.

Och yeah and no matter what kind of player you get, you can score from 25 yards out now. Every player can shoot the ball with C. Ronaldo/Z. Ibrahimovic power. Way off... :/

I mean, can't PES Production do things right for God sake? Where is all those people supporting them hope coming from? O_O

The patch did change the average game into good one, but that's about it. Best PES ever? Hardly so. It's still off the mark for me. PES 5/6 is doing some stuff still better.

 

[Pedderrs]

"PES 2013 on rails".

That's hilarious.

"Lots of goals conceded"

I'm conceding less goals now than I was before. At the worst, I'll concede 3 in one game against a top side. I've had a lot of 0-0s and 1-0s.

"You can score from 25 yards out with any player"

Yes, you can also expect to see the same rules apply to actual football being played at Sunday league level. Every professional player should have the capacity to score from 25 yards out. You seem to be insinuating that it's easy though which, like nearly everything else you've said, runs contrary to my own experiences. I've tried a lot of long range shots. I've score very, very few.