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This is like watching people with different religions discuss religion. Everyone is hung up on their own and have really no clue about what the others say.

@Jamezinho
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See the connection here?
 
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Jamezinho said:
Is PES2014 completely new and starting from scratch?

Not in my opinion.
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The game gives me the same feeling. That it's not completely new.

I feel that the only new is the fox engine (visuals), havok (physics), true ball tech & heart system.

Things like shooting-passing system, AI have remained the same and give us that feeling, that actually mean pes 2014 haven't worked from scratch. Or better not the whole game have worked from scratch but only some elements.
 
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Klash, while i agree with you that PES2014 is not as bad as supertalent and other people in this thread claim, i don't agree with your marketing post.
Konami could easily have gone for option 2, releasing the game later. Your argument about the november patch is not valid. Let's suppose nobody reacted negatively to the game as it was released. Do you think Konami would have made that (gameplay) patch ? I'm sure they would never have done this. The fact is that since a couple of years the development team has lost the belief in which direction they should go with their game. They listen too much to the fans.

This thread is a fine example that the fans don't give a clear signal. What would you learn about this thread ? Nothing except that the game was released too soon. I'm pretty sure the development team was well aware of that.

As for next year, i would be satisfied with your option 3 if this leads to a worthy next-gen PES.
 
zeemeister said:
Shooting the same as PES 2013?
Go home you're drunk.

This game is new in Its entirety barr the disgusting UI
and not even that carried over properly with the lag in the formation menu
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Where did I say everything is the same?

I'm simply debating the claim that PES2014 is all new. Many of the same old problems are still present which doesn't suggest a fresh start.
 
Shooting and passing in PES2014 are completely different from PES2013.
It's completely NEW !
Why fans are so reluctant to changes ?
 
zeemeister said:
Shooting the same as PES 2013?
Go home you're drunk.
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xpeter said:
Shooting and passing in PES2014 are completely different from PES2013.
It's completely NEW !
Why fans are so reluctant to changes ?
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Maybe in pes 2013 shooting was better (more powerful, more long range goals, maybe more animations), but it gives me the feel that the system is the same. Like passing. Different animations, different engine but the same feeling.

Maybe i'm wrong, but thats what i receive.

About AI. I'm not expert, so I have a question. Commentary, doesn't follow AI? Can a programmer to copy-paste the phrases in a different AI?
 
xpeter said:
Shooting and passing in PES2014 are completely different from PES2013.
It's completely NEW !
Why fans are so reluctant to changes ?
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It's new but the worst of last 10 years..I really really don't understand that Konami has been making football games for 20 years but they can't even implement proper shooting system..It's mind blowing..Apart from shooting, ı've always thought that they couldn't get rid of on-rail system because of the old engine..Fox engine feels more restricted than old engine(for now).We've heard lies since E3; the ball is soo free,it's entirely different entity etc..Where the fuck is this?
 
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As i've noticed, in some cases keepers have issues.
Especially when they are supposed to collect the ball
in front of an opponent..
And maybe they are prone to "close edge" goals(left-right).
As for individuality, i think that it's easily noticeable, especially when it comes for players like Ronaldinho, Ibra or CR7.
Anyway i will say no more, because i might seem biased.

SEASON GREETINGS to all!
 
The interesting thing is that shooting power always has been different from year to year.

In one release you had to load up the power bar longer and in the next one you just had to tip the shooting button slightly (i think it was in PES 2011 that way), otherwise it would have gone too strong.
 
There is individuality in this game, very much so when it works in training mode and Konami have carried over the dribbling philosophy from 2013, so it's simply wrong, sorry that is incorrect. It's there and very apparent in training mode, the bugs are the reason you don't see it ingame but you cannot say Konami haven't tried.

You can't say Konami have let individuality slide either since PES 2013 absolutely bring this to levels the old PS2 gen just couldn't touch.

Same with AI, it's there command errors are why it's not working. It's important to point out the difference between a company which doesn't bother at all and a company which does try but doesn't get it right.

Konami need to hurry up and release the 1.06 patch on the consoles because the game has much improved with very few if any command errors ingame. played yesterday a test with Barca vs City, the game is working about 90% of how it's supposed to which is promising.

gerd said:
Klash, while i agree with you that PES2014 is not as bad as supertalent and other people in this thread claim, i don't agree with your marketing post.
Konami could easily have gone for option 2, releasing the game later. Your argument about the november patch is not valid. Let's suppose nobody reacted negatively to the game as it was released. Do you think Konami would have made that (gameplay) patch ? I'm sure they would never have done this. The fact is that since a couple of years the development team has lost the belief in which direction they should go with their game. They listen too much to the fans.

This thread is a fine example that the fans don't give a clear signal. What would you learn about this thread ? Nothing except that the game was released too soon. I'm pretty sure the development team was well aware of that.

As for next year, i would be satisfied with your option 3 if this leads to a worthy next-gen PES.
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Thing is the game still would of had issues if released in November, since regardless of feedback the game needed a patch, you didn't even have to play the game to know it had issues, it was fundamentally shipped half finished.

Agree about this thread. too much red mist anger! People just abusing Konami and 'expecting' things to magically go back to perfection.

Jamezinho said:
Where did I say everything is the same?

I'm simply debating the claim that PES2014 is all new. Many of the same old problems are still present which doesn't suggest a fresh start.
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No, all the problems apart from Keepers and even keepers issues are different and new. The reason for the problem is it's been made from scratch.
 
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Jamezinho said:
What about goalkeepers, AI, player individuality (or lack of)?
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Indeed. In my time with the game, I had keepers rush under the bouncing ball in front of him, clean diving out the way the ball as it floats down the middle of the goal, coming out to pick up a through ball and just running past the ball, endlessly palming it into his own net, and constantly doing some bizarre spider impression that allowed the ball to run under his leg.

As for AI, it's far too similar to previous games but is more repetitive in the way goes about things. In 2012-2014 the AI is obsessed with trying to chip the ball out over the defence at an angle into the corner flags, getting the winger on the ball then crossing from the byline. The AI behaviour shares far too many similarities with recent PES games to be a totally new start. And I totally agree on individuality. It has the least amount than in any PES I've ever played.

Anyways, my point at the beginning (and the reason I posted in here) was that just because a lot of people don't rate the game, it doesn't mean we're 'wrong' or haven't played it enough.

And Klash, I admire your sentiments and enthusiasm, and maybe the game woIrks better in training mode, but it's a farce that this scenario might be occurring at all. The game needs to play properly in actual match scenarios otherwise it's simply broken. I think they might get it right in future games on next-gen but will that also include the rest of the game? When will they sort out game modes, audio, menus, online, all this yearly rigmarole of waiting for updated transfers from months before the game even came out, data packs screwing with option files etc....

At the moment I'm less fed up with the game as I am the yearly rituals of being pissed around before feeling like I have a complete game. I mean even now, this thread has been full of people claiming the game plays better with or without DLC installed, at different screen resolutions, assist settings, speed settings, camera settings, with or without having to edit Konami's AI stats. I mean this happens year after year now and it tells it's own story really.

Anyways I'm done before mods get annoyed, just had to say my opinion. I don't dislike PES 2014 because I haven't given it enough time, it's because partly of not liking the game but equally it's because I'm exhausted with all the stuff that surrounds the game after it has been released. Usually,by the time the game is settled and up-to-date, Konami are usually already going on about the next game.
 
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No player individuality?!

go play FIFA NG for a while and you will appreciate pes' individuality a whole lot more :COAT:

Supertalk I dont know what version you played but I do not have your issues on that magnitude. Maybe when I start my ML I will see how it goes. Havint said that I am not expecting much from the default ML keepers

Need the damn 1.06 patch already.
 
I didn't use default ML keepers. All keepers in the game were shite. Unbeatable from long range, from medium ro close range they just jump out the way of the ball sometimes.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
As for AI, it's far too similar to previous games but is more repetitive in the way goes about things. In 2012-2014 the AI is obsessed with trying to chip the ball out over the defence at an angle into the corner flags, getting the winger on the ball then crossing from the byline. The AI behaviour shares far too many similarities with recent PES games to be a totally new start. And I totally agree on individuality. It has the least amount than in any PES I've ever played..
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I think we have come to a close on PES 2014, yes ingame it was broken (1.00-1.04) on higher levels.

I massively disagree on 2012-2013. Please don't take your PES 2014 anger out on 2012/2013, both played completely different and both had the best level of individuality your going to get on PES, In PES 2013, every AI team did not play the same way, the truth was 'average' teams set to Long Ball usually played in a similar way, hence because they all had similarly rated players. Other teams used to player, very differently!

People did not learn to defend properly on PES 2013, if the AI scored and played in certain ways to you, it's because you weren't stopping them properly, why was there so much space for them to exploit on the wings, did you have to push up so much, if they where playing long ball, you need to take that into account, if you don't have a team of superstars or your not comfortable playing an extreme high line and pinning the team in their own half, then drop back deeper yourself and draw them out. You can naively get done on the counter on 12-13 and blame the game. Tactics are your weapon, you can change them constantly, the AI can't, you have so many weapons to defend and attack with, use them. PES 2012 after the 1.03-06 patch and PES 2013 took no prisoners.

I mean this, i need to show this i a video. People did not learn to cover space and properly organize their defence every game, making sure they marked the correct man depending on their opponent and most important people do not take responsibility for their own mistakes, they are too quick to blame the game these days, i see this all the time, hence why sliders and gameplay modding is so popular, people don't want a challenge they want something to fit around their own faults.

If one thing has ruined us over this generation, when PES got real, real bad (2008-2009) most people where playing FIFA, FIFA has destroyed many of our tactical understanding of football and it's importance, I see it on Youtube videos all the time, terrible unbalanced 4-4-2 formations, 4-2-2-2 formations with 4 WINGERS! (for fuck sake!) :RANT:. I done the mistake of going into a game on PES without setting up my team 7/10 i lose, no matter the opponent, i know for a fact others do this and just blame the game and don't see their own mistakes. This is very annoying since people are scared to admit this online, they think they are the perfect player, simply because they have been playing so long.

Here the best example here:
YouTube - Road To Manual Mastery Ep.34 "Düsseldorf" | FIFA 13 Manual Controls

Total baffon, makes so many errors but doesn't learn whatsoever, then drags that negative energy into the next failure with Palace.

Just because you use the jockey button doesn't mean you can defend. No organization whatsoever.

One thing PES has taught me, only in the last few years, much more so even when i played PES5, once you score, in a tight game, why keep going gung ho to score? Why not put an extra midfielder on? Drop a little deeper, sure up your team so you don't concede? As an Arsenal fan, i watched the 2009/10 premeir league years again, Arsenal 2-0 away from home vs Wigan at 80 minutes, we lose 3-2, though fucking stupidness by not dropping back and defending what we have!

Life is about learning and developing, that is what i look for in PES, if i lose a game how can i improve the next game. People these days want some sort of fucked up gaming orgasm, hence why the attention span of football games tends to last a few months, then people complain and off and do something else, unless they are online players who just do the same thing, over and over and over and over. Ths is also why i'm again this Bring back HD PES6 nonsense since many of these guys just want to do, the same thing over and over.

And Klash, I admire your sentiments and enthusiasm, and maybe the game woIrks better in training mode, but it's a farce that this scenario might be occurring at all. The game needs to play properly in actual match scenarios otherwise it's simply broken. I think they might get it right in future games on next-gen but will that also include the rest of the game? When will they sort out game modes, audio, menus, online, all this yearly rigmarole of waiting for updated transfers from months before the game even came out, data packs screwing with option files etc....
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The most important thing is gameplay, if that is correct in the future, the rest really very much is secondary. It's quality gameplay which keeps making you coming. I'm an artist, i love things that are aesthetically pleasing tot he eye, but n that i know full well if the gameplay just isn't there, I'm just not going to worry about the rest.

At the end of the day we all want a complete experience but this is still a game, it shouldn't run your life, games should be something you play for a bit then do something else after. PES being perfect will not change anybodies life and it shouldn't despite us wanting the best but in the holistic sense PES being perfect
 
I don´t know why Suuuuuupertalk and Jamezinho keep posting their hate about PES here. They both don´t play the game anymore and are not willing to play it again this version, so let it go and wait for 2015... or go to Fifa, but stop trolling this thread, you bastards! :RANT:

:P
 
PES was the benchmark for player individuality so I rate PES2014 against previous PES titles, not the competition. It's at an all-time low and I'm not pleased about that.

In the end I've given the game time and I dislike it because it's a shoddy, dated, half-arsed product that doesn't move the series forward in any way.

When Jimmy G-Force isn't playing the game - the most enthusiastic, passionate PES fan I've ever come across - you have to ask questions.
 
I'm giving the game another go but wondered whether going with manual shooting helps with the issues some have described with basic shooting. Any advice?
 
zeemeister said:
Lol honome. We must still hook up for that game. Sent jimmy a message to pull his head out his ass and meet me online like old times.
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Yah, my internet is shit at home that past week, i hope it gets better today and we can play some games.

BTW i played some games online with other people and it´s surprisely playable! I had almost no lag playing against people in Europe, so i have good hopes for our games.

Do we set it for 1 pass bar and manual shooting? And through ball, which do you use?
 
Jamezinho said:
When Jimmy G-Force isn't playing the game - the most enthusiastic, passionate PES fan I've ever come across - you have to ask questions.
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Not really. There's plenty of people enjoying PES 2014 that didn't really enjoy other PES games. Horses for courses...
 
Honome said:
Yah, my internet is shit at home that past week, i hope it gets better today and we can play some games.

BTW i played some games online with other people and it´s surprisely playable! I had almost no lag playing against people in Europe, so i have good hopes for our games.

Do we set it for 1 pass bar and manual shooting? And through ball, which do you use?
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1 bar pass, manual shoot and basic thruball.
 
Honome said:
I don´t know why Suuuuuupertalk and Jamezinho keep posting their hate about PES here. They both don´t play the game anymore and are not willing to play it again this version, so let it go and wait for 2015... or go to Fifa, but stop trolling this thread, you bastards! :RANT:

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Haha, well, being honest, the only reason I posted in here was as a reply to comments made that people who don't like PES 2014 (e.g. myself and Jamezinho) think the way we do because we never played it for long enough. It wasn't entirely necessary and came across as pretty condescending.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Haha, well, being honest, the only reason I posted in here was as a reply to comments made that people who don't like PES 2014 (e.g. myself and Jamezinho) think the way we do because we never played it for long enough. It wasn't entirely necessary and came across as pretty condescending.
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I honestly think you should buy the game again, mate. You know you miss it! :COOL:
 
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zeemeister said:
Did you sell it!! Dude too soon. Konami going to use all the PES2015 Dev time to patch it just for you :SMUG: then when PES2015 comes you gonna moan how unfinished it is :TTTH:
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Or they could release 2014 and 2015 as two finished, working products, y'know, like most other game companies. Crazy talk I know. My apologies for complaining about a game that had huge technical issues. What was I thinking, I must be so unreasonable. Me and a huge number of other people for that matter.

Oh well, I bet it does play a good game when the moon is aligned with the equator, you drop it down to 520p, remove transfer updates, keep that patch that stops your console from switching off or crazy amounts of judder etc etc.

But then I'm unreasonable for wanting a straightforward game that works out of the box, that I paid good money for.

Good grief.
 
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