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Jamezinho said:
The graphical issues such as frame rate slowdown may well be a result of lack of power, but the PS3 is surely capable of decent AI, goalkeepers and long range shooting.
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It's as if the software can only handle a certain amount of commands per second! Infact, you know i think this is the big issue with PES 2014! The PS3 can handle the gameplay alone in training mode, but add all the heart, crowds, and other ingame factors, it just fucks up.
 
Hmmm... I've downloaded patch 1.06 on WE J last night. Dribbling while running felt somehow better with less touches on the ball. Will need to try this again to confirm.
 
Does anyone know when we will be expecting a patch to come out for pes14, looks every other version is getting updated apart from us, I'm hoping before Xmas
 
klashman69 said:
Does the game play the same as it does in training mode?
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I guess. It doesn't stutter anymore at least.

Seems the less touches while running with the ball is only for slower players like defenders etc. Maybe it was the same before, forgot now. Will delete the patch to see the differences.
 
@Klash, thanks for the reply, some interesting points.

Personally I still think they made a huge error releasing this on current gen at all. I said two years ago (and remember, this engine was at one point thought to be appearing in PES2013) that PES2013 and 2014 should have been marginal updates to the existing engine, with most of the focus, and media hype, being focused on next-gen PES. Use PC tech to create the game from scratch until the new console hardware was fully known, and really focus on the game for next gen. Start the hype train early, rebrand, yes, rebrand, the entire series and make it all more relevant to the rest of the world. No more trailers with bizarre Japanese jazz music, essentially make the presentation, advertising, everything much more relevant to football culture as it stands today.

But most importantly, develop a new game on new hardware from scratch, make it look stunning for the hype train, and by now we could all be enjoying something special on next gen with a new name, new tech, new presentation, new everything. Instead they tried squeezing a game that doesn't work on the hardware it was designed for.
 
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Thespeedster84 said:
Lately been busy at the office.. going back home for PES 2014 1.04 for 1-2 games. Yup i enjoy it, great. I must have been the only one at this site have a good fun with it, no ? :P
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Nope Napoli still battling for series A supremacy

Got annoyed with the game yesterday against Sampdoria 1st leg Italian cup. The Damn CPU resorted to serious scripting ended 2 - 2 and I outplayed them but my poor finishing and superb goalkeeping kept me humble.

Oh yes they got 2 goals against the run of play. Lose ball chip boom both times . I pray Konami make it less obvious next year. The AI goes daft after a few games in the different modes
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
@Klash, thanks for the reply, some interesting points.

Personally I still think they made a huge error releasing this on current gen at all. I said two years ago (and remember, this engine was at one point thought to be appearing in PES2013) that PES2013 and 2014 should have been marginal updates to the existing engine, with most of the focus, and media hype, being focused on next-gen PES. Use PC tech to create the game from scratch until the new console hardware was fully known, and really focus on the game for next gen. Start the hype train early, rebrand, yes, rebrand, the entire series and make it all more relevant to the rest of the world. No more trailers with bizarre Japanese jazz music, essentially make the presentation, advertising, everything much more relevant to football culture as it stands today.
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I think re-branding for next year would be a great idea.

PES doesn't mean anything anymore. The hardcore will know what the game stands for, but playing on peoples ignorance could really work well. There are many who feel because it's called 'PES' its automatically shit.

I think until PES 2014 is sorted out, if sorted at all, it's back to 2013 i go when i get time (if i get time). FIFA is just the same old shit for me. They really need to refresh their engine and all.

But most importantly, develop a new game on new hardware from scratch, make it look stunning for the hype train, and by now we could all be enjoying something special on next gen with a new name, new tech, new presentation, new everything. Instead they tried squeezing a game that doesn't work on the hardware it was designed for.
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I never look too deep in hindsight. Should've, would've, could've it's a dangerous thing, the reality where we are is important, how we got there and how we can move forward. I think the piss poor development of the next gen consoles, firstly despite being much better compared to the current gen, they really aren't a gigantic step up at all, infact they are just current gen with X4 times the space and only about twice the software power, which is rather piss poor and lagging behind what PC's can do even now.

Money talks too much, Microsoft and Sony have been too busy milking current gen for what? Fucking 7-8 years! Usually it's 4-5 years, it's been so long the next generation consoles are relatively cheap at 350, compared to 400, 500 in previous launch prices for consoles. This i think is a result of Online gaming, companies don't bother creating smart AI anymore.

Konami probably thought a service update to PES 2013 wouldn't work if they released something on Next Gen, i think most of all they where caught out with the next en being released so late, so much so they thought it wasn't economically viable to continue with their old engine considering the new investment in the fox engine. They also thought they could try and squeeze it onto the PS3 in a working state, they got there, they didn't have time however to go over and check their work from top to bottom.

PES 2014 is like a typical School essay. They got all the content in that was needed to at least get a pass, just didn't have time to check all the spelling mistakes, grammatical errors and paragraph structure.
 
Lami said:
I guess. It doesn't stutter anymore at least.

Seems the less touches while running with the ball is only for slower players like defenders etc. Maybe it was the same before, forgot now. Will delete the patch to see the differences.
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Lami, i think the best thing to do is try playing i Training mode for an hour or so on Top Player or Superstar, then go back into the game and play on Superstar and see the differences.
 
All this chat of the PS3 not being bale to handle the heart feature, the stadium, the crowds, etc is absolute total bullshit. Fact.

As others have pointed out, many games are graphically superior and more cpu/ram intensive than PES 14 and run fine.

In Pes 14 we have less than half the stadiums that we had last year, we have no weather effects to have to process, and PES 13 ran and coped fine,this year, it doesnt even load the files from an option file on the PS3 correctly.

Its all purely down to poor, imcompetent, or just lazy coding and a lack of any form of quality control.
The fact that Konami KNOW that the game was far from finished, and were still happy to release a substandard, unfinished product, then go quiet and then make us wait months for any kind of commitment to sort any of it is purely shocking, in any othger industry sector, PES would fall short of the goods not fit for sale act.

So the fact that people moan, claim the game is unfinished and slate it and vow not to trust Konami again is completely justified.

I dont pay my hard earned money and expect to have to manually alter every team and players tactics in order to get the game to play varied, nor do I expect to have to delete patches or DLC, or adjust my super duper 1080p Hd Modern tv to resemble a 480 res tv from 20 years ago in order to reduce shoertcomings with the games performance.

This year has been a complet epic disaster for Konami and PES, from top to bottom, from the hyping, promises, broken promises, to the shambles that was marketing and PR, the abysmal 'community management', the actual release and the support afterwards.

In a year that Konai were supposed to come out guns blazing and de-throne FIFA, its completely the opposite, FIFA is so far ahead of PES now as a product that its embarassing.
 
klashman69 said:
Oh, ok, is english not your first language because you said THEY where closing you down and pressuring you, now your saying your are closing them down. :CONFUSE:

forget about it, total misunderstanding.
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lol no I also said.

Even when I'm right in front of the ball carrier he will run right at me stubbornly down the wing DETERMINED to use that route, no matter how much I stop that tactic from working. No matter how many times I dispossess him
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Sorry, I don't buy this at all. I have every right as a consumer to air my view on something I paid full price for then found to be less than satisfactory. Ultimately, I ended up selling the game to recoup some of the money I paid for it, but if someone pays full price for a game that they don't like and has countless issues, well, that's not 'feeling sorry for ourselves'.

I appreciate the good intentions of what you're saying here but focusing on what can be done is ultimately pointless. Konami don't pay attention to feedback. Or if they do, they do very little about it. They'll do in the future whatever they like, as it's their job. It's not my job. I pay my hard earned money for their product so I don't see why I should be either some kind of product tester while paying them for the privilege.

As for expecting perfection, well, I just expect a game where you don't score the same goals over and over again, where you don't see laughable goalkeeping nearly every match and where you can actually score goals from anywhere other than within 10-15 yards from goal. That's not too much to ask for as it was present in all PES games before this one, but not this.

Thanks to the pitiful amount to do in the actual game in terms of game modes etc, all we were sold was a tech demo for an engine that clearly doesn't work on the hardware it was made for. I paid for this and ended up losing money on it when I sold the game on, so I don't really see why I should cut Konami any slack to be honest.
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100% agree.
 
xPJRx said:
All this chat of the PS3 not being bale to handle the heart feature, the stadium, the crowds, etc is absolute total bullshit. Fact.

As others have pointed out, many games are graphically superior and more cpu/ram intensive than PES 14 and run fine.
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Hence why we have been discussing the time issue.

Getting everything together without optimizing the game is different to building something specifically for this generation and taking time to to optimize it.

The reason the game has issues with running properly because there has simply not been enough time to optimize the game. Can it be optimized, yes! But it seems there just been enough time spent on it, i'd imagine this would take some time and this is what happens when your spending the majority of time trying to get things to function in the first place.

We are looking to understand what went wrong. Also there is no point comparing it to an adventure game or Sandbox like GTA where they just push back the release date 6 months or a year to sort out bugs and re-test, so there is no point getting angry over that, better to focus anger on shit Konami have no excuse for like the player regen bug and the very poor DLC implementation which has made the game worse.
 
...or the fact that they ruined ML but removing 90% of its features, or the fact that they left out stadium editor due to it not being finished in time, NOT the excuse that EA licensed it which is bollox, or the fact that they promised dynamic weather and we get none at all, or the fact that the heart feature ruins the game or ..........


to be honest theres so much we can blame Konami for that its tiresome. Simple fact is, if the game wasnt ready, by release time and by not ready i mean in the shambolic state it is actually in, not just in a state that can be fixed with a few easy patches, then they SHOULD have delayed the release and got it right!!! like other companies do.

In what scenario is it acceptable to dish out a knowingly unfinished product, charge full price then claim ignorance?
 
klashman69 said:
I think re-branding for next year would be a great idea.
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Perhaps a superficial move, but I really think the time is right for a re-brand and re-boot.

The way I see it, PES has been a 'poor' series longer than it's been a 'good' one. I class the golden years as PES1-5. The shit years are PES6(360)-present. Basically the 'next-gen' period in its entirety. Five good years vs eight bad ones.

PES is running on fumes now as far as consumer interest and goodwill are concerned. A new name and new image on new consoles could do just enough to keep Konami hanging in there with this troubled series.

In any case, I've always thought Pro Evolution Soccer was a shit name for a football game. One of those quirky (nonsensical) Japanese game titles that sounds like it's the product of a random name generator.

This is Football was one of the best names for a football game.
 
PES has been dead in the UK for sometime now, with only a very few loyal fans buying every year. Re-branding would help there a little but until it has the Premierleague license I can't see it ever being prominent in the UK on a mass scale.

In Europe it's better, but not great, and it's doing well in South America and Asia.

Anyway, part of me feels like just playing PES 2014 in training mode only every now and again. Apart from that I think i'll just play PES 2013 when i get time. I realized this year i don't really have too much time for gaming, which is funny because looking at both titles i'm not really missing out on anything :LOL:
 
My 10cents,

Agreed with alot klashman has said bt have to say PES2010 to PES2014 have had numerous improvements. Pes2011 stands out in particular with MLO and a very stable online game.
Besides this there has been numerous improvements in AI and depth of gameplay. Yes KONAMI have made blunders along the way but to say they failed entirely this generation passed would be totally wrong.

if it was the case you Konami would not have survived 7 years.
 
We know PES doesn't make the same revenue as FIFA, but based on Konami financial reports (not that VGChartz bullshit), PES 2013 performed decently (around 5 million copies IIRC). It's much better than tons of AAA games with far greater budgets (€50-60 million). So the question is:

Where is the money?

As we seen with 2014 edition, Konami didn't support the dev team (which is small anyway) with enough resources to provide a better quality product. The same can be said about every other iteration in this gen. Maybe Konami as a company doesn't believe in PES as it should, maybe devs are incompetent no matter what budget you give them...

Seriously, a game sells 5-6 million copies yearly (wish I could make this revenue myself), and we're still talking about an evident lack of resources for PES?

What's going on? Is PES money being invested into Kojima Productions and it's Metal Gear products? Or not invested at all?
 
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As a complete package PES hasn't been good since PES6! I think only PES 2009 was 'satisfactory' as a all round package, with very arcade style gameplay however. This is the main point, in gameplay terms it's up and down.

PES 2013 despite not having the best animations is the best gameplay you can get currently, beats the PS2 games by some distance even let alone some of the well, nonsense we have seen on this gen, as a package its poor because of Magic boots and ruined BAL with super development, not to mention the graphics being underpowered.

The best and most piece of development for me came with PES 2011, the rebuilt game! It brought forward for the first time the 'common sense' of football. Two teams with a plan to score goals. A game where tactics become the basis, this has freed up so much room for variety. This has moved away from the old concept of realism by passing the ball around slowly and aimlessly for the very sake of it.

If you watch and experiment like i have on PES games before 2011 and FIFA games, notice how the AI doesn't react to how the opposition plays and instead plays along a script, FIFA is still particularity dreadful with this, with it's AI literally running into sweetspot zones to shot from certain pre programmed angles. Been watching some videos of the NextGen FIFA, Yes, the AI is still fucking doing this!

Thing is as a complete package PES really needs a lot of work, even me praising some of the development, they have been a fair few massive errors and some of the animations in the past have ranged bad, terrible to plain ugly!
 
klashman69 said:
Lami, i think the best thing to do is try playing i Training mode for an hour or so on Top Player or Superstar, then go back into the game and play on Superstar and see the differences.
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Done that already and don't see much of a difference tbh.
 
NikoLiberty4 said:
We know PES doesn't make the same revenue as FIFA, but based on Konami financial reports (not that VGChartz bullshit), PES 2013 performed decently (around 5 million copies IIRC). It's much better than tons of AAA games with far greater budgets (€50-60 million). So the question is:

Where is the money?

As we seen with 2014 edition, Konami didn't support the dev team (which is small anyway) with enough resources to provide a better quality product. The same can be said about every other iteration in this gen. Maybe Konami as a company doesn't believe in PES as it should, maybe devs are incompetent no matter what budget you give them...

Seriously, a game sells 5-6 million copies yearly (wish I could make this revenue myself), and we're still talking about an evident lack of resources for PES?

What's going on? Is PES money being invested into Kojima Productions and it's Metal Gear products? Or not invested at all?
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From the outside looking in it appears as though Konami aren't sufficiently investing in PES. Seabass alluded to this around the time of PES2008 (i.e. lack of funds and support), I just wish I could find the quote.

Inexcusable really, for a game that has sold in its millions for well over a decade. Those chickens have come home to roost unfortunately.

Then again it could be a case of incompetence (as you said) and/or the cultural scene among Japanese developers which has seen many Japanese titles struggle in recent years. Not having enough quality staff would fall under lack of investment though.

Konami treat PES like a low-budget, niche title. They don't appear to want to take on EA despite being a large, prestigious developer with decent resources. While Konami don't have the resources of EA, they do have a product that sells millions of copies worldwide every year.

Let's not forget that.

Time for Konami to invest big. Treat PES as a AAA title like its stablemate Metal Gear Solid.
 
sabh said:
PES reminds me of IRC (Internet Relay Chat). It was the most used chat client in 90's and early 2000 but what I read recently is IRC will shut down soon. Same thing with PES. The writing is on the wall. Konami did great and left us with great memories but they just wont overtake what EA started. Everyone I know and their mother plays FIFA on xbox one etc. EA are sitting on top and nobody will take them down. The hardcore PES fanbase isn't big enough to keep PES alive. Unless Seabass comes back full time, brings his old team back, takes the fundamentals from PES5/WE9LE, PES will be finished in a year or two. Mark my words.
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Thespeedster84 said:
Lately been busy at the office.. going back home for PES 2014 1.04 for 1-2 games. Yup i enjoy it, great. I must have been the only one at this site have a good fun with it, no ? :P
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i am too but sumhow i feel patch 1.04 has removed a part of the simulation gameplay i loved in 1.01
 
easypeazy said:
i am too but sumhow i feel patch 1.04 has removed a part of the simulation gameplay i loved in 1.01
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Its the command errors ingame. Just played training mode for an hour Atletico vs PSG, Gladbach vs Schalke and Ajax vs Barca on superstar.

I stopped because the AI was kicking my ass. It would be nice if the 1.06 stops all the ingame inconsistency and command errors so people could play this in exhibition and competition modes. Zlatan ibrahimovic in paticular was handing my ass to me several times over. Dropping off. Picking out passes and doing all manner of tricks. Impossible to deal with him it was. Also thundered one in from 25 yards. Im still unconviced by the shooting even on training mode. Too perfect it seems. Needs more variables.
 
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