PES 2014 Discussion Thread

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OK, after further play testing I've noticed some very distinct differences between 1.06 and the previous patches. Take note that I've only tested BAL so far, which is in my opinion the funniest (in theory) game mode ever.

I am actually only going to compare 1.06 to 1.01, present compared to past in other words. I've been playing BAL in the Argentine league for the purpose of this testing, where all the teams' formations are Konami defaults.

1. Inertia is increased for AI as well as slightly for the human player. The most noticeable effect is that it's much easier to get wrong-footed but on the upside it's also easier to wrong-foot the AI. Gambeta is definitely viable again, which is very nice. Passing and shooting reaction from controller to player is fine though. I also noticed that the player reacts to your stick even if he doesn't turn instantly, which is also how you can wrong-foot opponents without using any of the pre-designed feints and moves. This part is really great in my opinion.

2. AI aggression in their own box has decreased noticeably. On the upside, the AI players on both sides takes advantage of this and manages to score regularly without human intervention. The downside is that you often find yourself with much time and space inside the enemy box and some of those goals feels a bit cheap. This might be better on the higher difficulties.

3. Space between defensive line and midfield seems less crowded. This also depends a bit on the formations represented on the pitch, but teams without DMC seems to leave too much space for AMC and SS to exploit.

4. Keepers are definitely better than before, but they are still a bit weak in some situations. They are quite capable on long shots and snap shots from more or less all positions and distances in front of goal but their weakness is when you come from one of the wings, especially near post finishers seem to find the net often. Lobbing the keeper with a tap ,when one on one, seems to work every time unless you miss the goal of course.

5. Core game speed seems to stay more stable than before. The last three matches I played I used a trainer to boost my players' abilities, increasing everything by 10 but Explosive Power and Top Speed which I increased by 20. I then ended up with 95 and 92 in those and 75-80 in everything else. A capable player in other words, which always resulted in crazy fast core match speed on previous patches. On 1.06, however, I didn't notice any significant increase in match speed at all. This has probably been the biggest turn off for me with PES for years so I can't hardly believe my eyes. Maybe it will kick in after a few more matches, I don't know, but so far it seems really good.

6. Defender cath-up is definitely present but less intrusive than before. By that I mean that sometimes it's there and in full force and sometimes it seems like it's completely gone. I'm not entirely sure but it seems to me that it kicks in once my team lead by three-four goals or when we play against much stronger teams. It also seems more present in cup matches than league matches. I emphasis "seems" because it's so on-and-off that it's hard to pinpoint a distinct pattern. In the same breath I'll also mention that my Balance 71-81 BAL player didn't feel like a pushover at all, and at 81 I felt really strong on the ball and could hold off defenders regularly. In the previous patches I've always felt like a pushover regardless of balance.

All in all, 1.06 is far from a perfect patch as they merely reverted a lot of gameplay stuff back to 1.01/1.0/demo standards. Personally the more or less static core match speed is the real winner with this patch.
 
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how can anyone imagine that a patch can solve all the issues when you got problem on the base !? Konami need one more year to develop this game to beta stage from present alpha stage !! I wonder why just a few talking about bullshit animations ! Are all the animations realistic ? Not at all..see pes 14 and a real match beside and then tell me.
 
Skylark said:
how can anyone imagine that a patch can solve all the issues when you got problem on the base !? Konami need one more year to develop this game to beta stage from present alpha stage !! I wonder why just a few talking about bullshit animations ! Are all the animations realistic ? Not at all..see pes 14 and a real match beside and then tell me.
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I totally disagree I think pes 2014 animations are very very close to real life football. Probaly more than any football game ever made .In fact squint a little and ul think its a real match
 
easypeazy said:
I totally disagree I think pes 2014 animations are very very close to real life football. Probaly more than any football game ever made .In fact squint a little and ul think its a real match
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So, you say player running animation,body movement is close to real life ?!! Funny ! Players running animation is purely unrealistic,specially on close control...their hands,head movement is not matched with body..as there is lack of player id(actually no player id except some bayern players), all players run the same way !
 
I also love PES 2013 on zero assistance, both shots and passing. That is the PES that I want everyone to learn. I'm sure eventually everyone would love that and see WHAT PES is all about; the creativity, the skilled through balls, the ability to actually intercept passes that do not home in on players.

And on top of that, manual shots make goalkeepers better, because the auto shot is preprogrammed to work well all the time (R2 shot) and manual shooting makes everything more random.
 
Skylark said:
So, you say player running animation,body movement is close to real life ?!! Funny ! Players running animation is purely unrealistic,specially on close control...their hands,head movement is not matched with body..as there is lack of player id(actually no player id except some bayern players), all players run the same way !
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I can't help but wonder what the hell you expect from a COMPUTER game after all...


A game that offers sexual content isn't going to give you a blowjob, and a football game isn't going to give you a pulled hamstring. There are certain things that aren't achievable, and you better come to terms with that fact sooner rather than later.
 
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klashman69 said:
PES 2013 still kicks ass!

By the way new patch for PES 2014 released today. 1.06 It's very good, the game is now playable finally on Superstar, still not quite there like it is on training mode but very good, the game is starting to show it's potential now.
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What do you mean by saying "finally playable on Superstar" ?
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I can't help but wonder what the hell you expect from a COMPUTER game after all...


A game that offers sexual content isn't going to give you a blowjob, and a football game isn't going to give you a pulled hamstring. There are certain things that aren't achievable, and you better come to terms with that fact sooner rather than later.
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I still do not agree that all players run the same way carzola, messi,neymar,tevez move differently amongst many others the fact that player I.D is subtle this year doesn't mean its not there I still say that the animations in pes 2014 are very natural
 
I had a few games today played with manchester city against manchester united and kolarov was trying to force vanpersie off the ball. I had to bring in yayatoure to put pressure on van persie , but toure got his footing wrong he fell as van persie shielded the ball very contextual and realistic. I saved that replay
 
I agree with you easypeazy. I just played a BAL match against Estudiantes and Verón controlled the match from his DMC position. I tried hovering around him to sneak the ball from them but he was remarkably good at holding me off and distributing the ball.

I also think some of this stuff is more noticeable in the latest patch, mainly because of the feature I forgot to mention earlier;

7. AI players has stopped running full speed into opponents that stop with the ball. The AI seems more wary of stopped players and if you (either in BAL or while controlling the whole team) let the AI a few breathers as well the match will be more or less like real football in that aspect. Notice that if the ball carrier is already under pressure they don't instantly hold off if you stop but they will if you manage to wrong foot them or shrug them off you and get some distance. I usually let them take the first initiative then, and just sidestep+double sprint in a viable direction which is exactly how I usually do when I play football in real life. This feature was also one of PES 2013's best features but until 1.06 it was lost in PES 2014. In the earlier patches the AI players just kept barging into you whenever you stopped.


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What do you mean by saying "finally playable on Superstar" ?
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That difficulty had many broken script-links or whatever it's called. AI players often seemed to lose their scripts and just move around with the rest of his line (midfielders, defenders etc.) without minding the ball or sometimes not even move at all. There are still some of these on all difficulties by the way, but not "game-breakingly" much.
 
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I don't like your tone, sir.
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And I don't like repetitive posts.

Excuse me, I've mentioned it before already, but if you've decided to trade in your game, meaning you don't have it anymore, then I don't see a reason for you to continue posting here. You're done with it, aren't you? So no need to continue on here then, right? You've obviously gotten rid of it for reasons. I'd like you to keep these reasons in a safe place until a feedback thread is opened again (if). I can then take all your good reasons on board and take good advantage of them. You've already taken action. So any more talk here is pointless for you, and will eventually become repetitive.
 
@Lami

Incoming TLDR

If I have to get rid of a game which I payed hard earned money for due to big game breaking problems. (Yes goalkeepers are game breakers)
Game-breakers which still months after release, they haven't fixed.

A game which has a particular forum/thread dedicated to DISCUSSING it. whether the good OR the bad. Then I am going to use that thread. Even if that means I pop back in to state I got rid of the game. I have an account. I bought the game. This is the thread to discuss it. Even me Trading it and my reasons for doing so, are pes 2014 related.

Then I have that right.

You don't have to read my posts. Nobody's forcing you. Maybe that's what you should do in future. Or call the thread "pes 2014 Discussion....... (but dont be too negative too much as it kills my buzz, guys" thread"

You're a moderator. You're here to moderate, to keep things civil and on topic, that's all. So how about you do that instead of trying to influence/dictate what people can or cannot discuss about the game (based on your personal process) by posting snarky comments (which it was) to frustrated long time fans, paying customers and evo web members using a thread you created, as was intended, to discuss pes 2014.

I'm a moderator myself on a different forum so I know how this shit works/is supposed to work.

The only reason this post is even here, the only reason why this is even continuing further than it needed to in the firs place is because of you.

Maybe you should have waited to see if I came back to still complain after my "farewell"' I quit with the game parting post. Then you would have had a point.

"I don't get it, if you don't like the game then just..."

Look man Nobody cares if YOU don't get it. Nobody cares if YOU do things a certain way. Nobody cares that if YOU don't like certain broken aspects of the game then YOU simply just move on and that's that. Nobody follows your outlook and way of dealing with things. (expecting such or imposing that view to w.e degree makes you worse if not worse and even more tiresome than the "complainers") because everyone has their own way and process. That's the way the world works, and this is a pes 2014 discussion thread. The Good and the bad. People payed, people felt let down, people vent, it's their individual and justifiable process. The sooner you understand that, the better.

And you can't expect people to save certain views/posts for "feedback time"

These things are embedded deep into the games code thus you can't discuss pes 2014 without hitting on them as they repeatedly rear their ugly head as you play the game.

That's just how it is going to go. In the environment You have set up you can't prevent it. So it's a completely fruitless exercise trying to enforce such a rule, never mind just expecting it.

How about you just let people discuss the game in the discuss the game thread as long as it's kept respectful?

Because with all the countless problems Konami have produced. They've done nothing but put you in a position of doing nothing but tryna flog a dead horse when trying to police such negativity.
 
Caniggia said:
I also love PES 2013 on zero assistance, both shots and passing. That is the PES that I want everyone to learn. I'm sure eventually everyone would love that and see WHAT PES is all about; the creativity, the skilled through balls, the ability to actually intercept passes that do not home in on players.

And on top of that, manual shots make goalkeepers better, because the auto shot is preprogrammed to work well all the time (R2 shot) and manual shooting makes everything more random.
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Amen brother. I agree 110%. :TU:
 
I'm playing WE2014 Jap ver 1.06 and WE2014 Asia ver 1.04 and the gameplay is totally different. I play ML Offline, Top Star, 30 min game with the same team and exactly the same Game plan.

In Asia ver 1.04 gameplay is just perfect, everything flows at slower pace, control over your players is total, the game is responsive, AI is different for every team and Sliders in Game Plan are very important. Every single game feels different. I think this is the most 'simulation' PES ever.

In Jap ver 1.06 the game is too fast, AI teams plays just the same and your team don't mind sliders, players lose their positions too often allowing the AI teams to create goal scoring chances, plays totally different than Asia ver with the same sliders.
 
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@Lami

Incoming TLDR

If I have to get rid of a game which I payed hard earned money for due to big game breaking problems. (Yes goalkeepers are game breakers)
Game-breakers which still months after release, they haven't fixed.

A game which has a particular forum/thread dedicated to DISCUSSING it. whether the good OR the bad. Then I am going to use that thread. Even if that means I pop back in to state I got rid of the game. I have an account. I bought the game. This is the thread to discuss it. Even me Trading it and my reasons for doing so, are pes 2014 related.

Then I have that right.

You don't have to read my posts. Nobody's forcing you. Maybe that's what you should do in future. Or call the thread "pes 2014 Discussion....... (but dont be too negative too much as it kills my buzz, guys" thread"

You're a moderator. You're here to moderate, to keep things civil and on topic, that's all. So how about you do that instead of trying to influence/dictate what people can or cannot discuss about the game (based on your personal process) by posting snarky comments (which it was) to frustrated long time fans, paying customers and evo web members using a thread you created, as was intended, to discuss pes 2014.

I'm a moderator myself on a different forum so I know how this shit works/is supposed to work.

The only reason this post is even here, the only reason why this is even continuing further than it needed to in the firs place is because of you.

Maybe you should have waited to see if I came back to still complain after my "farewell"' I quit with the game parting post. Then you would have had a point.

"I don't get it, if you don't like the game then just..."

Look man Nobody cares if YOU don't get it. Nobody cares if YOU do things a certain way. Nobody cares that if YOU don't like certain broken aspects of the game then YOU simply just move on and that's that. Nobody follows your outlook and way of dealing with things. (expecting such or imposing that view to w.e degree makes you worse if not worse and even more tiresome than the "complainers") because everyone has their own way and process. That's the way the world works, and this is a pes 2014 discussion thread. The Good and the bad. People payed, people felt let down, people vent, it's their individual and justifiable process. The sooner you understand that, the better.

And you can't expect people to save certain views/posts for "feedback time"

These things are embedded deep into the games code thus you can't discuss pes 2014 without hitting on them as they repeatedly rear their ugly head as you play the game.

That's just how it is going to go. In the environment You have set up you can't prevent it. So it's a completely fruitless exercise trying to enforce such a rule, never mind just expecting it.

How about you just let people discuss the game in the discuss the game thread as long as it's kept respectful?

Because with all the countless problems Konami have produced. They've done nothing but put you in a position of doing nothing but tryna flog a dead horse when trying to police such negativity.
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I could care less if you're a mod anywhere. That's one.

Now, like I said, you sold the game, you shared your bad experiences with the game. Didn't you? We've read it, got it, done. Yes? Now that's done, I don't understand why you're still here. To continue sharing the same experience that you've already done? So you want to be repetitive and have it your way? Does this make you feel better?

The bolded part. I guess you agree with me then.
 
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MazeMazy said:
What do you mean by saying "finally playable on Superstar" ?
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Superstar on 1.00, 1.01, 1.04 was plain and simple broken. You could barely make it through a game without a keeper error, defensive error, or some bullshit ruining your experience, on professional this shit didn't happen hardly.

On 1.06, you can actually play a proper match and not have keeper fuck up or defenders just give you tons of space.
 
Lami said:
I could care less if you're a mod anywhere. That's one.

Now, like I said, you sold the game, you shared your bad experiences with the game. Didn't you? We've read it, got it, done. Yes? Now that's done, I don't understand why you're still here. To continue sharing the same experience that you've already done? So you want to be repetitive and have it your way? Does this make you feel better?

The bolded part. I guess you agree with me then.
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Ok first off, it's I COULDN'T care less. Saying you could care less implies that you do indeed, care.

2ndly. Everyone reading besides YOU can see that the only reason and I do mean the ONLY reason I am "still here" is because of you poking that stick with your snidey parting shot as well my desire/right to reply/entertain your B.S.

I had said my piece and was about to bounce, but wasn't given that chance because you jumped on my case by trying to be a slick little smart ass.

3rdly if you can't distinguish the difference between treading old ground merely to make a point in regards to your post and views within it aimed at me and "continuing" to vent for the sake of venting about a game I currently no longer own, then that's your problem, and you're wrong.

Look man, I'm a guy who likes to have my say, so if you really want to keep poking that stick and keep playing this silly game of "who's right" just to save face over an arrogant antagonistic stupid post you made, I'll gladly oblige. And I'll gladly shoot down your flawed skewered view all day until the cows come home. Just remember, you were the 1 being the dick for absolutely no reason. If this isn't what you want then you've learnt a lesson for any future conduct to help save you the hassle. That's something at least. You live and you learn.

This shit is stupid. I didn't even want this lol but I'll be fucked if I let you be slick for absolutely no reason without me getting mine.
 
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Ok first off, it's I COULDN'T care less. Saying you could care less implies that you do indeed, care.

2ndly. Everyone reading besides YOU can see that the only reason and I do mean the ONLY reason I am "still here" is because of you poking that stick with your snidey parting shot as well my desire/right to reply/entertain your B.S.

I had said my piece and was about to bounce, but wasn't given that chance because you jumped on my case by trying to be a slick little smart ass.

3rdly if you can't distinguish the difference between treading old ground merely to make a point in regards to your post and views within it aimed at me and "continuing" to vent for the sake of venting about a game I currently no longer own, then that's your problem, and you're wrong.

Look man, I'm a guy who likes to have my say, so if you really want to keep poking that stick and keep playing this silly game of "who's right" just to save face over an arrogant antagonistic stupid post you made, I'll gladly oblige. And I'll gladly shoot down your flawed skewered view all day until the cows come home. Just remember, you were the 1 being the dick for absolutely no reason. If this isn't what you want then you've learnt a lesson for any future conduct to help save you the hassle. That's something at least. You live and you learn.

This shit is stupid. I didn't even want this lol but I'll be fucked if I let you be slick for absolutely no reason without me getting mine.
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Good to know you're a hypocrite. I thought you were ok with keeping it respectful. Your post wasn't. So I can't help but ban you.

Enjoy the other forum you moderate.
 
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Guys jst came back and had a game, playing as manchester city against arsenal, dribbled through and tried a finesse shot with nasri and he produced a nyc little outside of the foot curler. Although szczesny made a spectacular save the animation was a thing of beauty so fluid and natural and realistic. The ai played good football feels like I'm playing a human being. I also noticed the AI taking bad touches dunno if its a game bug or its deliberate but its certainly pleasing and realistic . PS no keeper errors so far
 
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