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easypeazy said:
i am too but sumhow i feel patch 1.04 has removed a part of the simulation gameplay i loved in 1.01
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It is very noticeable in BAL, as the AI players just run straight into an AI controlled opponent, which in turn runs straight back into another opponent and so the match goes... intense midfield struggle by a bunch of semi blind virtual footballers. I went back to 1.01 just to check as I was certain that the game was different (better) before the patch. The AI defends better with 1.04 though... tighter and more pressure. Maybe that's what the AI can't handle when it plays against itself.
 
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geeeeee said:
So I turned it off and decided to put PES2013 on with GTMP's option file. It is so much better and quite simply because you can rely on your keeper to make some saves. I didn't play it much last year because of shooting and through balls but, on manual shooting and low back line, 2013 is actually quite good.


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I actually think it's brilliant. As do all of my long-time PES friends.

We had our weekly Lads Night last night, and decided NOT to give to PES 2014 another chance, as everyone, including myself, has hated multi-player action on that game.

Within 5 minutes of playing PES 2013, everyone literally screamed the same thing, 'Fuck !! this is miles better', 'So much better to control, better shooting, better keepers, better Ai' and on and on.......

It actually looked like football again, and Zero Assistance Passing was a dream. We played it for 4 hours straight, all 2 v 2. What a breath of fresh air. And R2, wow R2. God, did we all miss R2.

PES 2104 will never see the light of day again in my home, unless I give it another try after another 10 patches, but only on single player against the CPU, never again in Multi-Player.

Sure PES 2013 isn't perfect, but in my opinion, and my friends, it's the best PES by a mile. I don't get what others don't see in that regard.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
I actually think it's brilliant. As do all of my long-time PES friends.

We had our weekly Lads Night last night, and decided NOT to give to PES 2014 another chance, as everyone, including myself, has hated multi-player action on that game.

Within 5 minutes of playing PES 2013, everyone literally screamed the same thing, 'Fuck !! this is miles better', 'So much better to control, better shooting, better keepers, better Ai' and on and on.......

It actually looked like football again, and Zero Assistance Passing was a dream. We played it for 4 hours straight, all 2 v 2. What a breath of fresh air. And R2, wow R2. God, did we all miss R2.

PES 2104 will never see the light of day again in my home, unless I give it another try after another 10 patches, but only on single player against the CPU, never again in Multi-Player.

Sure PES 2013 isn't perfect, but in my opinion, and my friends, it's the best PES by a mile. I don't get what others don't see in that regard.
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I'm not sure if I prefer either. I like both games.

Regarding manual passing in both PES13 and PES14, I actually prefer neither. PES14 requires you to play manual passes very, very carefully, regardless of distance. It's a bit unrealistic when 2 players are facing each other and have eye contact/mutual acknowledgement, and the pass played right in front of him, the receiving player can still has trouble reading/collecting the pass in moderately short distance (not too close). On the other hand, PES13's manual passing has a bit too much magnetism on the tail end of the pass. I've played against manual players in ranking matches who had a passion for spamming mid-to-long blind passes. The receiving player is a bit too aware of all sorts of passes, regardless of context. The defensive players do not understand the context until the ball is collected by the receiving player. For mid-to-long passes, a lot of them are not 50/50 enough, in situations that the context should play out that way. PES14 doesn't have this problem at all in manual passing.

I like the feeling of "open space" in PES14. Defenders can get wrong footed. Once wrong footed, I can have some time on the ball, or even stand still. The pressurer freezes. Pressuring players in PES13 is too much like homing missiles. There's not enough "freeze time" when a pressuring defender misses the ball. Double pressure, however, feels just as unrealistic in both versions. Only difference is the space left behind by double pressurers are more exploitable in PES14, and sometimes in PES14 you can isolate the double pressuring players into 2 1-on-1 situations, if you plan ahead, and then wrong foot them/take them out individually. In any case, double pressure is still too rewarding in both games. I want to see drastic draining of stamina in continuous pressuring.


What I don't like is the lack of error in R2 control in PES13. That is one big problem in human vs human games, it's too easy to kill the clock in your own half. Manual vs manual adds a layer of error/mistakes, but it'd be nice to introduce some more poor touches. I feel like R2 is too reliable when my defenders are on the ball.

Manual shooting is definitely better in PES13. Double touch command felt better as well.

What's wrong with PES14 is that the tricks are almost not error prone at all. What's with being able to use sombero flicks and rainbow flicks with ease with every player? Why not introduce errors where players will actually miss the ball entirely? Or at least introduce a poor touch for less technical players during a trick where the ball carrier is surprised of the outcome himself? And then the ball becomes loose and then becomes a 50/50 chance? Ball carrier has too much advantage in awareness of ball outcome ATM.

Player changing works better in PES13. I rarely make mistakes with selecting the right player.

There's more variation in the support offered by AI off ball players in PES14.

Even though I rarely use it, the ability to suddenly accelerate to full speed is very unrealistic in PES14.

I really don't know which game I prefer playing manually. I also think PES13 feels great when dribbling with nimble players in the box. But I also don't want to dribble like that everywhere on the field...so I don't know. And I play mostly online since PES11, so I can't speak for games vs COM.

Drunk posting BTW. Sorry if it reads like a mess.
 
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PES2013 is still the King!

For me PES2014 is more like an attempt to make a PES7 than a proper evolution of 2013, and that is a shame, IMO.

So many complain about 2013 only because they did not know how to defend properly in the game.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
You can wrong foot players so much better on PES 13, using R2, in my opinion. It's a whole different ball game, pardon the pun.
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I feel like that's because of how the ball stays so close to the player's feet during R2, with hardly any error. Not because of actual wrong footing, where the pressurer just dashes off in his trajectory and gets frozen.

In PES13, it takes only a millisecond for a wrong footed defender to get back into the game.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
I actually think it's brilliant. As do all of my long-time PES friends.

We had our weekly Lads Night last night, and decided NOT to give to PES 2014 another chance, as everyone, including myself, has hated multi-player action on that game.

Within 5 minutes of playing PES 2013, everyone literally screamed the same thing, 'Fuck !! this is miles better', 'So much better to control, better shooting, better keepers, better Ai' and on and on.......

It actually looked like football again, and Zero Assistance Passing was a dream. We played it for 4 hours straight, all 2 v 2. What a breath of fresh air. And R2, wow R2. God, did we all miss R2.

PES 2104 will never see the light of day again in my home, unless I give it another try after another 10 patches, but only on single player against the CPU, never again in Multi-Player.

Sure PES 2013 isn't perfect, but in my opinion, and my friends, it's the best PES by a mile. I don't get what others don't see in that regard.
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It's funny because PES 2014 actually got me to like PES 2013 more. I was playing PES 2014 with my brother on basic or advanced shooting and one game was like 6-3. Every shot was on target. So we changed it to manual and it was a lot more realistic.

So when i got home i thought let me try PES 2013 on manual shooting and it's fantastic. I never liked it before because the shooting on assisted was too powder puff and i gave up on it. I was too scared to play on manual before :P.

For me it's the bad keepers in PES 2014 and also the fact that the ML has been stripped down, that has put me off it. I do like the collisions and the little battles that go on though.

Hopefully a new patch will sort some things out. But it's PES 2013 for me at the moment. And of course PES 5 and WE9LE :P
 
Honome said:
PES2013 is still the King!

For me PES2014 is more like an attempt to make a PES7 than a proper evolution of 2013, and that is a shame, IMO.

So many complain about 2013 only because they did not know how to defend properly in the game.
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Heh yeh i think i was one of them. But now i've sorted out my formations and got used to it. And if the attacker breaks through on goal you know that the keeper still has the ability to save it but in PES 2014 it's a guaranteed goal.
 
Early sign showed they're listening to my feedback. Now when sending both your CBs forward during set pieces, your two midfielder will drop back to cover their spaces.

As expected, the patch contain nothing but small fixes.
 
PES 2013 still kicks ass!

By the way new patch for PES 2014 released today. 1.06 It's very good, the game is now playable finally on Superstar, still not quite there like it is on training mode but very good, the game is starting to show it's potential now.

Not as good as PES 2013 still, despite the animations being 100 times better. Like Jimmy said, the way you can wrong foot players is just gorgeous on the game. Here, best shown by the Bryan Ruiz goal at 9:09

YouTube - This was PES 2013
 
klashman69 said:
PES 2013 still kicks ass!

By the way new patch for PES 2014 released today. 1.06 It's very good, the game is now playable finally on Superstar, still not quite there like it is on training mode but very good, the game is starting to show it's potential now.
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What are you playing on klashman? I can't see anything on PS3 yet.

Played a bit more of PES2013. I forgot about certain things that irritated me. Playing as QPR, and Assou-Ekotto finds himself in the right back position during the match and Wright-Phillips suddenly turns up in our defence when we have just wasted a corner. Don't recall that happening on PES2014. Also the cursor change can be annoying costing me 2 goals.

Hmm... now i'm starting to lean back towards PES2014 :JAY:
 
Those things I dislike with PES2014 were present in PES2013,12,11,10 and so as well for the most part. OK2014 has some weird keepers but in general I think this years version is the best so far.

The new patch is actually very enjoyable. Two thumbs up!
 
Seems 1.06 is out on PC only so far and it doesn't seem to contain much if anything in the way of gameplay improvements. The usual "we’ve fine-tuned each mode to improve your overall gaming experience" line in the Konami details.

By the way, does manual shooting and/passing make PES2014 more or less playable?
 
I had enough of the keepers and traded the game. Every game they'd let in atleast 1 soft goal.

I found my self checking forums too often to see if others experienced the same. And when that happens, it's time to let it go.

I'll keep my eye out to see if they get fixed with a patch.

I just bought pes 10 rolf. Noooooo. The faces are better but the player movement and game pace is so wrong after playing pes 14.

But I'ma play it for a bit before I re DL FIFA 13. This way FIFA will feel like gods gift after going from this with custom sliders.

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Going back to pes 14. I'm about to contradict myself here. But player stats mean very little this year.

I maxed out every player on my team and played an exhibit game.

My players were getting beat in straight sprints. Getting pushed off the ball. I couldn't out muscle the opposition when defending.

It's as if every player has been given the same stats across the board. It feels very automated.

I have big 6'7 players like Ibra with max stats getting barged off the ball by Ramsey. Getting out paced by Merta. Pretty much the same wig every player tbh.
 
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reinelt97 said:
Seems 1.06 is out on PC only so far and it doesn't seem to contain much if anything in the way of gameplay improvements. The usual "we’ve fine-tuned each mode to improve your overall gaming experience" line in the Konami details.

By the way, does manual shooting and/passing make PES2014 more or less playable?
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That's not a fair reflection on the patch. Most important is that it added camera-views for online team-play. That one was one of the most important feedback.
 
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I had enough of the keepers and traded the game. Every game they'd let in atleast 1 soft goal.

I found my self checking forums too often to see if others experienced the same. And when that happens, it's time to let it go.

I'll keep my eye out to see if they get fixed with a patch.

I just bought pes 10 rolf. Noooooo. The faces are better but the player movement and game pace is so wrong after playing pes 14.

But I'ma play it for a bit before I re DL FIFA 13. This way FIFA will feel like gods gift after going from this with custom sliders.

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Going back to pes 14. I'm about to contradict myself here. But player stats mean very little this year.

I maxed out every player on my team and played an exhibit game.

My players were getting beat in straight sprints. Getting pushed off the ball. I couldn't out muscle the opposition when defending.

It's as if every player has been given the same stats across the board. It feels very automated.

I have big 6'7 players like Ibra with max stats getting barged off the ball by Ramsey. Getting out paced by Merta. Pretty much the same wig every player tbh.
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So you've traded it in? No more posts from you then?
 
I saw a lot of potential in 2013, and I did have some really good games with it. The main issues I had were with the online, and as I nearly exclusively play online then it frustrated me a lot...

The passing assistance was ridiculous - with high assistance pretty much every pass was a laser guided missile right into the feet of the recipient... This meant that people could literally just mash A and vaguely aim at a teammate and ping the ball around to their heart's content, with no thought or consideration placed on balance/wrong foot/attributes etc. You ended up chasing the ball around like a fucking headless chicken and if you backed off to cover channels then they could just ping-pong it to the edge of your box and blast it in with Ronaldo...

Also, pretty much every one-on-one was a goal if you used the controlled R2 shot so that took some of the magic out of scoring from them. Also, the slight input lag due to playing online made the defending really frustrating, with your players often refusing to intercept a ball that literally rolls over their toes to let an opponent in...

The zero-assistance passing game however was lovely, probably the best in any football game - you could craft moves that simply were not possible in any other football game. Some of the exquisite dinks with slight taps of the chipped through ball, perfectly weighted manual through-balls, little triangles... The intricate play you could pull off around the box was delightful, especially with the addition of the "dynamic one-two" where you could control the direction of the run of the initial passer.

The physics and variation on the crossing as well... Brilliant, second to none.

As others have mentioned here, the dribbling felt really nice - my move of choice was to burst into space, hold R2 to stop the ball dead, quickly assess the momentum of the defender/dangerous areas/potential passes and then burst off in whichever direction or distribute the ball... Teasing the full-back near the byline was great too, especially once you learned some of the dragback turns and feints (which looked realistic and were useful without being unnecessarily flashy).

The long passing was lacklustre though, with a very inconsistent relation between the power bar and distance of the kick... 3/4 power would go about 20 yards, any more and you've overhit it by miles.

In terms of online multiplayer, I think PES 2011 was the best that this generation had to offer - patient, methodical football using your brain trumped 90% of the usual cheap tactics online players employ and it's been the only football game ever where that's happened. I could come up against a Div1 stupidly high rated opponent and still know I could well and truly have them if I played well.

Lami said:
So you've traded it in? No more posts from you then?
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It's always hard to tell how someone intends a post to come across on a forum, but I have to say that this seems quite smug/condescending...
 
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I have been searching the web but find no answers.

Does anybody know when this patch will be available for PS3?

Also, can somebody please confirm that the keepers are better, even slightly?

Thanks
 
Enlil said:
I don't see it that way.
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As I said, it's not easy to judge how people intend a post to come across so interpretations will differ, but to me it seems that Lami's post is basically saying "So that's you finished? Good riddance"...
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
Brilliant, brilliant post Rob. As ever, and I agree with about 95% of that. I didn't play online for all the reasons you stated, and not a patch on our PES 11 MLO, that we all adored, including Rom.

Offline multi-player is amazing though, which is more what I was referring towards.

R2 shots were a little over-powered at times, but that could be said about many PES games. No where near FIFA's Finesse variant though.
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Cheers :). Yeah, I wish I had some like-minded people to play PES 2013 with on zero assistance, it would have been excellent - I envy you PS3 guys who seemed to have a great thing going with that PEEL league you used to mention.

Yeah PES 11 MLO was pretty special - the online was surprisingly stable for a PES game, the MLO progression was done fairly well so that new player you brought in would be a real treat and clearly improve your play... I remember that Djemsav guy playing as an advanced playmaker on the left and making a massive impact on my play... Then I added the midfield dynamo Arevalo who was magnificent at breaking up the play... I could go on about my 2011 MLO experience but that's gone now, especially as it's now impossible to play that version online. I still have a goals compilation to remember it by though :D.

Yeah 2013's R2 shots were nowhere near FIFA's finesse sweet spots, you did still need to carve out the chance with good football, but it was anti-climactic to receive the ball in a certain area and already know you've scored well before it hits the back of the net.

I stuck to 15 minute online unranked games using zero assistance, quite a lot of the guys in those servers just wanted to play decent competitive games and would pick sides other than the elite... When I was on my game I would score for fun, but when that "spark" wasn't there the games would be terribly dull... I suppose that's like real football though to be honest!
 
Errm I do not agree with jimmy on pes 2013 being the best. I thought so at first but I think the terrible keepers and stripped down modes led to pple prefering pes 2013. Let's not forget the ronaldo spamming without any fatigue, the blind passing, shooting at very awkward angles with accuracy. I stopped playing 2013 because it pissed me off. I guess the most annoying pes 2013 issue for me is being tackled by the last defender and the defender gets a yellow card. I feel that pes 2014 is a flawed genius when everything works. I played barca vs napoli today and got my ass handed to me. I feel the r2 dribble on 13 was very unrealistic and magnetic, players on pes 2014 move more like footballers. After playing the 1.04 patch I went back to 1.01. To me it played more like a sim konami seems to be reacting to feedback and making the game more like pes 2013 and altering their vision. But the keepers in pes 2013 react better overall but poorly in some situations. Its almost as if konami programmed them not to dive past a certain distance. My friend and I tested keepers in pes 2014 in training mode with ronaldo and played the free kick close to the bar. The keepers kept diving inside the net and passing through the crossbar at the same tym. Almost like konami didn't program them to handle that situation, not to mention the palming the ball into the net I think konami need to stick with 1.01 gameplay and increase the awareness radius of each player and stop speeding up the animations as they did with 1.04 I tried the early cross with adebayor and he produced a nyc little flicking animation I have never seen before on pes. It was a joy I had to save that replay. Pes 2014 comes so close attimes but so far at the same tym . I dunno if there is any way we can provide a really consise feedback to konami bcos I think too much feedback is ruining the idea konami had for this game.. Btw pes 2013 ai was and still is class best cpu ai ever, combine that with the possesion cpu ai of pes 2014 and we have a true game . Let's see how we can help konami out of this predicament as a community consise feedback touching on all aspects is key
 
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Errm I do not agree with jimmy on pes 2013 being the best I thought so at first I think the terrible keepers and stripped down modes led to pple prefering pes 2013... Let's not forget the ronaldo spamming without any fatigue the blind passing, shooting at very awkward angles with accuracy I stopped playing 2013 cuz it pissed me off I guess the most annoying pes 2013 issue for me is being tackled by the last defender and the defender get a yellow card. I feel that pes 2014 is a flawed genius when everything works played barca vs napoli today and got my ass handed to me I feel the r2 dribble on 13 was very unrealistic and magnetic players on pes 2014 also move more like footballers after playing the 1.04 patch I went back to 1.01 to me it played more like a sim konami seems to be reacting to feedback and making the game more like pes 2013 but the keepers in pes 2013 react better overall but poorly in some situations its almost as if konami programmed them not to dive past a certain distance my friend and I tested keepers pes 2014 in training mode with ronaldo and played the free kick close to the bAr and the keepers kept diving inside thenet and passing through the crossbar everytym almost like konami didn't program them to handle that situation and also the palming the ball into the net I think konami need to stick with 1.01 gameplay aand increase the awareness radius of each player and stop speeding up the animations as they did with 1.04 I tried the early cross with adebayor and he produced a nyc little flicking animation I have never seen before on pes it was a joy I had to save that pes 2014 comes so close attimes but so far at the same tym I dunno if there is any way we can provide a really consise feedback to konami bcos I think too much feedback is ruining the idea konami had for this game.. Btw pes 2013 ai was class best cpu ai ever combine that with the possesion cpu ai of pes 2014 and we have a true game let's see how we can help konami out of this predicament as a community consise feedback touching on all aspects is key
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2013 was only fun playing against like-minded human opponent. As for against the CPU it is easily one of the worst. The game has AI that never make back and sideway passes, ultra direct, and 80% of their goals came from controlled shot. And who can forgot the 90% success rate of their freekick attempt?

But my biggest gripe were heavily on-rail control off the ball and once your enter the 18 yard box aka crossing zone. Honorable mention for the legendary stumbling animation as well.

However I really liked their La Liga stadium and unique anthem rendition. And the Master League was easily the best, thorough since 2008. Nothing wrong with unlockable boots, cutscenes and inventory. ML was always and will always will be a football fantasy mode. People were so irrational back then. Once stuff stepped out of their comfort zone, they went mad.
 
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Going back to pes 14. I'm about to contradict myself here. But player stats mean very little this year.

I maxed out every player on my team and played an exhibit game.

My players were getting beat in straight sprints. Getting pushed off the ball. I couldn't out muscle the opposition when defending.

It's as if every player has been given the same stats across the board. It feels very automated.

I have big 6'7 players like Ibra with max stats getting barged off the ball by Ramsey. Getting out paced by Merta. Pretty much the same wig every player tbh.
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And this is one of the main reasons why I haven't touched this game for more then two months now...
Happy to play PES 2010, unfortunately this version don't have any editing tools, at least for XboX 360 version... :(
 
OK, after further play testing I've noticed some very distinct differences between 1.06 and the previous patches. Take note that I've only tested BAL so far, which is in my opinion the funniest (in theory) game mode ever.

I am actually only going to compare 1.06 to 1.01, present compared to past in other words. I've been playing BAL in the Argentine league for the purpose of this testing, where all the teams' formations are Konami defaults.

1. Inertia is increased for AI as well as slightly for the human player. The most noticeable effect is that it's much easier to get wrong-footed but on the upside it's also easier to wrong-foot the AI. Gambeta is definitely viable again, which is very nice. Passing and shooting reaction from controller to player is fine though. I also noticed that the player reacts to your stick even if he doesn't turn instantly, which is also how you can wrong-foot opponents without using any of the pre-designed feints and moves. This part is really great in my opinion.

2. AI aggression in their own box has decreased noticeably. On the upside, the AI players on both sides takes advantage of this and manages to score regularly without human intervention. The downside is that you often find yourself with much time and space inside the enemy box and some of those goals feels a bit cheap. This might be better on the higher difficulties.

3. Space between defensive line and midfield seems less crowded. This also depends a bit on the formations represented on the pitch, but teams without DMC seems to leave too much space for AMC and SS to exploit.

4. Keepers are definitely better than before, but they are still a bit weak in some situations. They are quite capable on long shots and snap shots from more or less all positions and distances in front of goal but their weakness is when you come from one of the wings, especially near post finishers seem to find the net often. Lobbing the keeper with a tap ,when one on one, seems to work every time unless you miss the goal of course.

5. Core game speed seems to stay more stable than before. The last three matches I played I used a trainer to boost my players' abilities, increasing everything by 10 but Explosive Power and Top Speed which I increased by 20. I then ended up with 95 and 92 in those and 75-80 in everything else. A capable player in other words, which always resulted in crazy fast core match speed on previous patches. On 1.06, however, I didn't notice any significant increase in match speed at all. This has probably been the biggest turn off for me with PES for years so I can't hardly believe my eyes. Maybe it will kick in after a few more matches, I don't know, but so far it seems really good.

6. Defender cath-up is definitely present but less intrusive than before. By that I mean that sometimes it's there and in full force and sometimes it seems like it's completely gone. I'm not entirely sure but it seems to me that it kicks in once my team lead by three-four goals or when we play against much stronger teams. It also seems more present in cup matches than league matches. I emphasis "seems" because it's so on-and-off that it's hard to pinpoint a distinct pattern. In the same breath I'll also mention that my Balance 71-81 BAL player didn't feel like a pushover at all, and at 81 I felt really strong on the ball and could hold off defenders regularly. In the previous patches I've always felt like a pushover regardless of balance.

All in all, 1.06 is far from a perfect patch as they merely reverted a lot of gameplay stuff back to 1.01/1.0/demo standards. Personally the more or less static core match speed is the real winner with this patch.
 
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