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broxopios said:
PES team have to concentrate on AI for pes 2015. It's obviously that pes 2014 has the same or at least very similar AI as pes 2012 & 13 which for me is not good.

They changed their engine but the game except from collision system and some new animations feels and plays like pes 2013. Same passing and shooting system, same CPU built-up play, bad stamina system. Things that i don't like in the game.
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have you seen PES 2012-2013 where the cpu ai passes around and even pass back to their GK ? In my opinion, it only happens in PES 2014.
 
I posted this in a different thread but no answer…

geeeeee said:
Can someone confirm if the ML on PES2014 is broken? I read on a different forum that regenerated players come back with the same stats that they had when they retired. :CONFUSE:
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Can somebody please confirm this?

Thanks ;)
 
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That's right. The only thing holding the AI back are 2 things.

The Datapack DLC causing them to play in predictable patterns.

The poor stat distribution.

You can't tell me that world class players having a form of 4 out of 8 is correct. You can't say that this doesn't play a factor, unless you want to tell me that player attributes are nothing but window dressing.

You've got players like Gareth Barry with the same OVR as Mario Gotze. Theirs very little, if ANYTHING separating the very average players from the world class players any top team would give their left arm to have playing for their team. And there are TONS of these players with their attributes completely out of wack.

I know. I went through them all over a few hours bumping the stats of each teams key stand out players (Including every starting keeper maxing all the vital GL stats.. But unfortunately THEY are unsaveable... Wahey!)

Accomplished Players like Messi Ibra Ronaldo Suarez Cavani and the likes are now at a round 105 OVR while players like Gotze, Rooney, Kagawa, Matta are hovering around 100 OVR. With the barrys giggsys ect hovering at their original stats.

Lowering the over rated players isn't the issue. It's raising the special players in their key strengths to make them stand out. Thats the solution.

As a result you get players who are much more aware of their surroundings. Not making nearly as many stupid jogging pace runs, holding up the ball better, picking out the player in space. More attempts outside the box (Def and Att Awareness). More zip on their shots leading to goals.

These at a key part. It just needs you to invest the time. The AI is there. It just needs a push in the right direction. Some world ass ayers had SHOCKINGLY low Def/Att awareness handed to them amongst many other stats.

Just raise any yellow orange or red Atts by 10. And some other minor adjustments if you feel they need them.

As a result Andros Townsend and Baines are starting for England Llana is in the squad ect. Ravel Morrison gets called up Danny Sturredge is a beast supporting a super consistent Suarez ect ect ect....Like they should be but the in edited vanilla doesn't allow this. It has positive effects across the board.
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Once the GTM patch is updated for 1.02 on the PS3, I am going to go through the game and edit a lot of players and teams stats. Its alway the same in PES. Unless a player is extremely well known, like the top 10 players in the world, they don't have the stats.

There are only a handfull of players who can cross the ball well and only a few attackers with pace and shooting and its rare to find a player with accuracy and kicking power.

All of this combined with lower stats all over the place, means that players rarely get the space and time needed to shoot unles they are through on goal. It also means that its rare that a good cross is put in for a forward who reacts well to it and has the heading quality needed to score.

This leads to goals that mostly look the same as there is a rarety of goals outside the box or headed crosses.
 
Thespeedster84 said:
have you seen PES 2012-2013 where the cpu ai passes around and even pass back to their GK ? In my opinion, it only happens in PES 2014.
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So do you think AI is solid in pes 2014? Even if cpu pass back to their keeper sometimes? What about variaty in attack?

We have 2014 and somehow we9le, a 2005 game, had (and has) better AI.
 
The point is that a game should be enjoyable without having to edit lots of stats and without deleting DLC, and i write this with all respect for the people who do this...they have an immense value for the shrinking PES community...the question i have is that by their efforts they don't help to give a wrong signal to Konami.

I've participated to the survey (well after trying for a couple of days) and if i read that survey, i'm not entirely sure if Konami have understood what the fans think about the game. Fact is that i couldn't give a clear signal with the questions in that survey.

I'm a customer who is dissatisfied for all the obvious shortcomings, but i still think the game has the core of a great game. In the survey i wrote that FIFA is the better game to sent out a signal to Konami. As a game FIFA is better, but as a football simulation, mo PES is still the better game. To play PES, one has to think like on a football pitch. That is not the case for the superb game package that FIFA is...
 
gerd said:
The point is that a game should be enjoyable without having to edit lots of stats and without deleting DLC, and i write this with all respect for the people who do this...they have an immense value for the shrinking PES community...the question i have is that by their efforts they don't help to give a wrong signal to Konami.

I've participated to the survey (well after trying for a couple of days) and if i read that survey, i'm not entirely sure if Konami have understood what the fans think about the game. Fact is that i couldn't give a clear signal with the questions in that survey.

I'm a customer who is dissatisfied for all the obvious shortcomings, but i still think the game has the core of a great game. In the survey i wrote that FIFA is the better game to sent out a signal to Konami. As a game FIFA is better, but as a football simulation, mo PES is still the better game. To play PES, one has to think like on a football pitch. That is not the case for the superb game package that FIFA is...
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but what do you think about the cover? :))
 
broxopios said:
So do you think AI is solid in pes 2014? Even if cpu pass back to their keeper sometimes? What about variaty in attack?

We have 2014 and somehow we9le, a 2005 game, had (and has) better AI.
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Its incredible how PES 5 and WE9le was ahead of its gen in every spec. It was incomparable.
 
Danny Henry said:
Sometimes this game makes me anger. Great match by Pato but, the goalkeeper put the ball to the goal nets twice. This is BS man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRSLJ8aYKv8
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They need to fix these keepers. Keep your DLC boots faces and stadia. Just fix the damn keepers.

Every game I play there is atleast 1 goal due to these keeper reaction/animation errors. It's insufferable.

I've read people say it makes them more "realistic" rofl. No it DOESN'T!

Goalies make fatal mistakes. Not EVERY GAME. Please please PLEASE fix it.
 
Finally said:
They need to fix these keepers. Keep your DLC boots faces and stadia. Just fix the damn keepers.

Every game I play there is atleast 1 goal due to these keeper reaction/animation errors. It's insufferable.

I've read people say it makes them more "realistic" rofl. No it DOESN'T!

Goalies make fatal mistakes. Not EVERY GAME. Please please PLEASE fix it.
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You can improve your goalkeepers setting to 99 Defensive Prowess, Attacking Prowess and Explosive Power, then Marauding increases automatically.
 
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That doesn't work. I've swept through every goalkeepr and outfielder editing attributes and the goalkeepers are no better than they were before.

Anyway it's not just reaction time and awareness. It's an animation problem which Attribute edits can't fix. It's a problem embedded in the game code.

They make saves at certain angles using an animation which positions them in such a way them punching the ball in their own net is inevitable.

The ball clips through finger tips, Legs, Feet, arms, torso's, arses, dicks, everything. We can't fix that.
 
Finally said:
They need to fix these keepers. Keep your DLC boots faces and stadia. Just fix the damn keepers.

Every game I play there is atleast 1 goal due to these keeper reaction/animation errors. It's insufferable.

I've read people say it makes them more "realistic" rofl. No it DOESN'T!

Goalies make fatal mistakes. Not EVERY GAME. Please please PLEASE fix it.
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yeah thats right but i mention the problem with the keepers are always in games with "heart" features ( ML, Cups, ect.)

if i play against Mates offline exhibition without "heart" we really dont see this keeper faults as much as with "heart"

and i played hundred of games against friends...

for me is this heart feature killing the game!
 
Yeah Heart should be turn-offable.

Anyway, PES 2014 is on a twelve deals of Christmas price right now on PSN! I think until noon tomorrow.

Come on. There could be someone out there who still wants to buy it.
 
elloco said:
yeah thats right but i mention the problem with the keepers are always in games with "heart" features ( ML, Cups, ect.)

if i play against Mates offline exhibition without "heart" we really dont see this keeper faults as much as with "heart"

and i played hundred of games against friends...

for me is this heart feature killing the game!
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I guess I'll have to try out League mode. Hopefully the Heart feature isn't mandatory in there.

Do you think it effects all players in this stupid way because I just tried coach mode in ML and my team are straight up stupid. It's driving me nutty. And this is after hours of editing.

Sometimes their great others they are absolutely stupid.

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Nvm u can't disable it. I hate it when company's FORCE these features on you. If I don't wan't to play with your heart gimmick I should be given the option to turn it off.
 
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Isslander said:
Yeah Heart should be turn-offable.

Anyway, PES 2014 is on a twelve deals of Christmas price right now on PSN! I think until noon tomorrow.

Come on. There could be someone out there who still wants to buy it.
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Just an advice for those who want to buy it, I recommend to buy Winning Eleven 2014 Asia version in HK PSN store, gameplay is way better than PES 2014 or WE 2014 Jap version.
 
yasujiro said:
Just an advice for those who want to buy it, I recommend to buy Winning Eleven 2014 Asia version in HK PSN store, gameplay is way better than PES 2014 or WE 2014 Jap version.
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Have you tried all of the different versions available? I'm currently on the US version. Have you played on this one? If so, what do you think about it?

I was planning to put in my order before xmas for an EU copy, to play in some of the manual leagues with EU folks...

I also heard that the HK version is even slower with patch and kit updates (not by much, maybe a few days to a week).
 
Isslander said:
Yeah Heart should be turn-offable.

Anyway, PES 2014 is on a twelve deals of Christmas price right now on PSN! I think until noon tomorrow.

Come on. There could be someone out there who still wants to buy it.
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Does the game price on PSN include the online pass, or is that something I have to purchase separately to play online?
 
yasujiro said:
Just an advice for those who want to buy it, I recommend to buy Winning Eleven 2014 Asia version in HK PSN store, gameplay is way better than PES 2014 or WE 2014 Jap version.
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Why would Konami release different gameplays? Surely it's making more work for themselves? Have these differences been measured objectively?

Curious...
 
vxcmplx said:
Have you tried all of the different versions available? I'm currently on the US version. Have you played on this one? If so, what do you think about it?

I was planning to put in my order before xmas for an EU copy, to play in some of the manual leagues with EU folks...

I also heard that the HK version is even slower with patch and kit updates (not by much, maybe a few days to a week).
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I haven't played US version, I played European, Asian and Japanese version and the best gameplay is on Asian version, offline all teams plays different styles and have better IA, I enjoy ML playing on Professional and Top Player.

WE Jap version is now 1.05 and WE Asian is 1.02 with Data Pack 2.0 but plays perfect football, I quit playing Japanese version. I don't want new patches for Asian version since new patches for European and Japanese ruins the AI. I been playing WE and PES since ISS PRO 98 and this year Asian version is the best football game ever. I needed more than 100 matches to master basic shooting but now I find it the more realistic shooting system in the series.
 
mate im confused, isnt the asian version, japanese version the same. if not whats the actual title called for the best version you recommend and also from which store can i download it from thanks.
 
This is what I call placebo effect.

Although HK is in Asia. HK ver is just a renamed copy of US ver. It's release date is same as US. Just go to PSN store and check the release date.

I don't know JP ver is better or not. But I'm quite sure HK ver is just the same.

Don't be fooled by it's title.

Placebo effect saved Konami every year.
 
snowymydog said:
This is what I call placebo effect.

Although HK is in Asia. HK ver is just a renamed copy of US ver. It's release date is same as US. Just go to PSN store and check the release date.

I don't know JP ver is better or not. But I'm quite sure HK ver is just the same.

Don't be fooled by it's title.

Placebo effect saved Konami every year.
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PES 2014 US ver release date was 24th september and Winning Eleven 2014 Asia ver release date was 30th september.

PES 2014 European ver is on patch 1.04, WE 2014 Jap ver is 1.05 (release date version was 1.04) and WE 2014 Asian ver is 1.02, so these three versions plays different right now.

Since PS2 Winning Eleven and Pro Evolution series always had subtle gameplay differences, no placebo effect.
 
Jimi_Zuko said:
mate im confused, isnt the asian version, japanese version the same. if not whats the actual title called for the best version you recommend and also from which store can i download it from thanks.
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I haven't played US version, I played European, Japanese and Asian version, the best gameplay now is on Asian version patch 1.02, AI is way better, teams play different. You can donwload it from PSN HK store.
 
yasujiro said:
PES 2014 US ver release date was 24th september and Winning Eleven 2014 Asia ver release date was 30th september.

PES 2014 European ver is on patch 1.04, WE 2014 Jap ver is 1.05 (release date version was 1.04) and WE 2014 Asian ver is 1.02, so these three versions plays different right now.

Since PS2 Winning Eleven and Pro Evolution series always had subtle gameplay differences, no placebo effect.
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we all know WE & PES always have difference gameplay. But Asia edition is just a US PES with language packs. Why Asia have the title WE? because from the past Asia countries didn't have official distribution. They parallel import WE from JP. They need to keep the title for marketing strategy. From the release date, no way the HK edition is the true WE.
 
So as to conclude with this issue,
which version is the best:
1)European version
2)Japanese version
3)Asian version
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yasujiro said:
I haven't played US version, I played European, Japanese and Asian version, the best gameplay now is on Asian version patch 1.02, AI is way better, teams play different. You can donwload it from PSN HK store.
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Thanks for telling your experience with all the versions.

I want to tell, that for Xbox 360, the Asian version is up to TU 5, so TU 2 is not the final one. Are you on PC and TU 2 is final there, or are you just reject to use TU 5 and stay on TU 2, because the gameplay is better on it?


My thoughts of PES 2014 are that it is slightly better than 2013 (comapring "+" and "-" for both ), but only two of all the bad things really ruin the experience for me:

1. Keepers

- They are not "keepers", they're just normal people walking near the post... if you know what i mean. The other things for them, you guys already said.

2. The lack of normal dribble

- I don't know why Konami made such a bad decision to remove the normal left stick dribble, and now there is only glued to the foot slow dribble, or running... Nothing in between. This is one of the reasons for lack of individuality and lack of different dribble animations. Also this way it became a fake physical battles, body coliding into another body everywhere on the pitch, because reaching the ball means coliding with the other body..

3. Other problems

- Far too many animations take too long to acomplish, compared to real world moves. There is not enough realistic dynamic in dribble anymore.

- Shoots also seemed a bit fake, because of the unproper animation to it. "After-shot" body animation of players is like they don't shoot miliseconds before.. It's like a "little foot movement <=> fast shot" . The ball goes out of the foot at very unrealistical speed depending on the "seen" foot planting and movement.

- CPU variety of play, fastly done unreal stats and formations for the teams. I mean it doesn't have to be our work to do them properly..

- Fastly done ML with very little features, bad penalty system, broken "one-touch" shots, in some situations "catch up" is a bit stronger than it should be and many more small things, making our faces to look like this -_-

In the end the feel on the field is still better than FIFA, like always. PES is for a football, FIFA is for a video game, but the way the things go, they may become on-par next years.


PS. By the way i know the answer, why we will never have a perfect PES, and there always be bugs and bad things. It is very easy, if you think a bit what will happen if we have this perfect PES. It's the same like the other games, which are published every year - new part.. The problem is the same, as the problem for the most bad things happening in the world at all. Its the word starting with M .
 
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That's the problem, there isn't 1.

I'm starting to think you can only
Get max satisfaction playing coach mode in exhibition with Heart turned off.

Players play really good. But enter ML and they turn into a stupid bumbling mess.
 
Is that using coach mode?

I have started an ML. Just had a friendly against Liverpool. All of the best players have had stat boosts but they outright refuse to pass the ball in patterns. Like Barca do. Liverpool are 100% route 1 direct football. They are all on medium heart. They run around like headless chickens. But do the same game in exhibition mode with heart turned off and they play brilliant technical passing football.

Something is definitely wrong. At least from my end.
 
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