PES 2014 Discussion Thread

[shilamounainai]

I think that's because everybody else is talking about PES 2014 as a game, not merely a base for another game. I don't think that anybody who bought PES 2014 got a free voucher for a copy of 2015.

From what you're saying it almost sounds like you're advocating this year's beta test. Most people here paid good money for half-a-game and are pretty right to (constructively) criticise the game if they perceive it to be lacking in refinements that are typical of major mainstream releases in 2013. I wager if they'd have paid £20 rather than £40 (the price I'd evaluate the game at) then I think people would be less pissed off and willing to hold back their snarling posts. That didn't happen though unfortunately and if it did, I think people would proceed with a more positive appraisal of what the game may bring in the future like yours. I hope you can perhaps understand why so many people are being 'negative'.

i believe the positive aspects of the game outweight the negatives and its not a half-a game infact it plays a good game
of football pes2014 its probably the best pes to date.
contributing with some constructive criticism like what suuuper-talk does that i agree and i can see some of his points. although i believe he needs to dig deeper because there are much more to this game. the magic of pes comes out when u are constantly trying to improve ur skills and style of play instead of sitting back just playing and thinking that all u know is all there is in the game. im playing it on a daily basis and im continusly finding new things which make my experience playing pes 2014 better and better. this game is very rewarding if you put the time in.

sorry for my english

 

[Jamezinho]

Some people are satisfied with mediocrity, nothing new.

That's very clear.

If people actually enjoy this yearly fuck about by Konami and are genuinely satisfied with the product they are paying good money for, then great. However, if you keep making excuses for Konami and accepting crap each year then guess what? More crap will come your way.

Konami need to do what EA did with NBA Live and take some time out with this franchise. It needs reworking from the ground up.

 

[jaboy]

Some people are satisfied with mediocrity, nothing new.

I see a pretty clear consensus on the problems with the game, and I have yet to see a post saying that it's a perfect game.

The question is how to transmit these concerns to Konami in a coherent way. As far as I see, we are disenfranchised from the development process, so we have to take what we get. I've seen the abuse thrown at the developers - it's no wonder they are reluctant to engage.

So, if you know how we can push for changes, let us know. Maybe then we can organise and submit a constructive critique to Konami. I assume this has been tried in the past...and did it work?

With the all the droning negativity, the positives of the game - and there are many - are being ignored. It's a good game - flawed yes, but eminently playable and still a lot of fun.

 

[Ipswich69]

That's very clear.

If people actually enjoy this yearly fuck about by Konami and are genuinely satisfied with the product they are paying good money for, then great. However, if you keep making excuses for Konami and accepting crap each year then guess what? More crap will come your way.

Konami need to do what EA did with NBA Live and take some time out with this franchise. It needs reworking from the ground up.

The game isn't crap though. It's far from perfect but it's a good game that many people enjoy. The problem here is that there's several people that keep leaving misguided snarky comments that Konami will never read and that are really directed more at the posters here who are enjoying the game in varying degrees. It would be better if people who are unhappy with the game or elements of it, leave detailed feedback like Suuuuuupertalk and some others do that focuses on the game rather than the people who get enjoyment out of it.

 

[Northzzz]

I see a pretty clear consensus on the problems with the game, and I have yet to see a post saying that it's a perfect game.

The question is how to transmit these concerns to Konami in a coherent way. As far as I see, we are disenfranchised from the development process, so we have to take what we get. I've seen the abuse thrown at the developers - it's no wonder they are reluctant to engage.

So, if you know how we can push for changes, let us know. Maybe then we can organise and submit a constructive critique to Konami. I assume this has been tried in the past...and did it work?

With the all the droning negativity, the positives of the game - and there are many - are being ignored. It's a good game - flawed yes, but eminently playable and still a lot of fun.

I think we have to face facts that we're really not important enough to make major observations about the game. I'm sure many posters could write an essay on the problems but would Konami even want to read it? I've given feedback to Konami before online and IIRC it was nothing but a simple form sheet to fill out with boxes to tick. It's more likely that problems would only get seen as bullet-points arguments and then become trivial things such as 'make keepers better'. That doesn't exactly explain a lot of things which are wrong with them. Perhaps it is a mute point as it's probably hardly a revelation to the people making the game that there are problems, or at least I hope.

Plus, I'd rather not go down that route because most people who give feedback aren't like evo-web users and don't tend to think much about what they're saying (i.e. Twitter).

As with any other company, they should work to the vision of their lead-developers and lead-designers getting feedback from what the play-testers and other developers have to say about the game. That's how games work in general so I'm not sure why PES needs to be different in order to be a good game.

Beta-tests are becoming more popular lately and it's another possibility. Konami even used one before for Master League Online. They'd do well to do that with the main-game (discounting previous arguments made that PES 2014 is in fact quite like a Beta-test). The one-year release schedule would make things pretty tight though.

 

[EvolutionSwede]

So, instead of me throwing it away...

Does anyone want a free copy of the game for the PS3? I haven't entered the online code so everything should be in order. PM me if there's any interest.

And yes, I'm being legit. Hell, I've been on these forums for 100 years by now.

 

[zeemeister]

Firstly i been playin pes for over 15 years, i only switched to ps3 versions for 2012 and it wasnt great, 2013 wasnt great but playing with likeminded ppl like zee and the other lads from peel and then pesallstars.net fully manual, the game was at least enjoyable.. 2014 pre patch was unplayable online since patch yes it is playable online but thts about all, im not gunna list all the problems with it they are well documented in this forum, but some of the basic things atm im struggling with player switching its a complete joke while defending it is near on impossible to pick correct player and tht also goes for offline aswell this will be my last pes im not throwing anymore money at it, and tbh i will miss the guys i played regularly but wont actually miss pes while it plays so poorly... and the OTHER game has neva been a option for me... PES2014 has left a bad taste in my mouth and konami and their staff have mugged us all off.. adam has been not much help due to the fact he aint got a clue what was being worked on for patch i asked him many questions on twatter he replied but basically didnt no jack shit

hope we can get the leagues up and running again

 

[theepexpress]

What i want to say, i respect other people's opinion. I even understand them, i agree that Konami has treated us like sh*t. But is there any use to make the same posts over and over. How many times have people like Suupertalk and gabe paul logan already posted that PES2014 is a very bad, broken game...i think most people have understood now.

Suupertalk is someone I have huge time and respect for and I can relate to his suffering with PES over the past several years, I am now of the opinion that Konami will get it right and produce a wonderful game when Luton Town return to the Football League

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Suupertalk is someone I have huge time and respect for and I can relate to his suffering with PES over the past several years, I am now of the opinion that Konami will get it right and produce a wonderful game when Luton Town return to the Football League

Thanks mate, appreciate it Gerd was right, I did sound a bit like a broken record. Here's hoping we all can enjoy PES 2015!

And to be honest I'm expecting to see a great PES game before we see Luton return to the Football League!

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

I'm amused by the incessant moaning, negativity and sense of entitlement. Konami owes you nothing.

Putting aside the idea of brand loyalty and just looking at PES 2014 in isolation, if you've paid full retail price for PES 2014, they do owe you a full retail game. Not a base game with features missing and roster updates way beyond what is acceptable for a sports title.

And if you've bought the game for the last few years and been told thanks for spending your hard earned cash but we can't make many improvements this year because of engine limitations or time limitations, stick with us and we'll implement it next year, then I think they are creating a sense of enitlement for the loyal fans.

Yes there are still bugs and annoyances, but mostly they can be worked-around. For example, people complaining about floaty shots yet using basic shooting? I've had no such issues on manual.

Why must we use a work around? Why must we lose the ability to play on one of the control settings that Konami have given us as an option. If floaty shots only occur on Basic shooting, that's a coding error not a user input error. If Basic shooting holds your hand a bit in regards to direction and power, then the shot power should be weak at times, NOT floaty.

Floaty shooting represents an immersion breaking visual. I'm happy for weak or scuffed shots to be in the game and I'd love to see that properly represented so you know how to adjust your body shape the next time you shoot. But the ball looping in the air like a ball boy has thrown it to the throw in taker as a trajectory to represent a professional footballer hitting a shot? Show me a real life example of this.

 

[Thespeedster84]

Putting aside the idea of brand loyalty and just looking at PES 2014 in isolation, if you've paid full retail price for PES 2014, they do owe you a full retail game. Not a base game with features missing and roster updates way beyond what is acceptable for a sports title.

And if you've bought the game for the last few years and been told thanks for spending your hard earned cash but we can't make many improvements this year because of engine limitations or time limitations, stick with us and we'll implement it next year, then I think they are creating a sense of enitlement for the loyal fans.



Why must we use a work around? Why must we lose the ability to play on one of the control settings that Konami have given us as an option. If floaty shots only occur on Basic shooting, that's a coding error not a user input error. If Basic shooting holds your hand a bit in regards to direction and power, then the shot power should be weak at times, NOT floaty.

Floaty shooting represents an immersion breaking visual. I'm happy for weak or scuffed shots to be in the game and I'd love to see that properly represented so you know how to adjust your body shape the next time you shoot. But the ball looping in the air like a ball boy has thrown it to the throw in taker as a trajectory to represent a professional footballer hitting a shot? Show me a real life example of this.

Here you go...

YouTube - unbelievable own goal assisted by the wind

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

Here you go...

YouTube - unbelievable own goal assisted by the wind

I said a footballer hitting a shot. That wasn't a shot

 

[jaboy]

Putting aside the idea of brand loyalty and just looking at PES 2014 in isolation, if you've paid full retail price for PES 2014, they do owe you a full retail game. Not a base game with features missing and roster updates way beyond what is acceptable for a sports title.

And if you've bought the game for the last few years and been told thanks for spending your hard earned cash but we can't make many improvements this year because of engine limitations or time limitations, stick with us and we'll implement it next year, then I think they are creating a sense of enitlement for the loyal fans.

I've bought products and (very expensive) software - and maybe you have too - that fell far below what was expected, either in quality, or in content on release.

What do YOU usually do in such cases? Small claims court or wait for a fix? Konami are not immune from upholding your statutory rights. If you feel you have been cheated you should take action.

Personally, I don't feel cheated, but I still want to see improvements.

Why must we use a work around?

Because we must.

As pointed-out in my previous post, we seem to be in a 'like it or leave it' situation regarding PES. We live in hope for another patch. Like every other year.
Even so, I still haven't seen any coherent attempt to bring the current complaints to Konami.

I've had some outstanding games on PES2014 so far (15 mins, Professional, full manual). Should I feel ashamed to say that? Am I desperately uncool?

 

[robbieryan]

I can also admit to having some outstanding games on PES2014, i'm not ashamed of that. Even so, the game can still equally be described as disappointing.

Someone else had previously said that they feel no satisfaction in scoring, personally i think i feel that most of the time too and not even when the goal itself is a bit crappy. the disjointedness of the game and the mixed reactions from everyone has left me questioning why I have scored goals even if they are perfectly valid. I'm almost subconciously looking for a reason to say 'That goal was rubbish' even when it wasn't.

Personally i think so many more people could change their opinions on this game if this was the next area to be improved. All they would need to do is lower the effectiveness of through balls and lofted through balls to lessen the frequency of one on ones occuring, plus continue to make improvements to the goalkeepers so that they're not awful from short to mid range (12-20yards) and they're on the right track,

My personal opinion is that through balls should not even be a seperate function. they are simply passes into space. I would love to see a game be brave and remove the mechanic completely relying on the players passing ability or maybe even some sort of subtle modifier button instead. but that's a different discussion for a different day.

 

[Edgars]

Putting aside the idea of brand loyalty and just looking at PES 2014 in isolation, if you've paid full retail price for PES 2014, they do owe you a full retail game. Not a base game with features missing and roster updates way beyond what is acceptable for a sports title.

Pff... You are complete !! What features are missing that have been in this title last year or even year before + before release they told their costumers that such features as snow (which haven't been in the game for ages anyway), stadiums won't be in the game + poor/late roster updates like that have been for PES from beginning and they didn't promise to improve it this year!! After it all you buy this game anyway and then complain and say that they own you something - if you are a complete and buy a product that you didn't wanted in the first place, then it's your own fault and if you keep on doing it year after year then you simply are a masochist!!

By the way, have a nice day

 

[Skylark]

I think, We should keep giving our thoughts and wishes for NG PES from now !! and send it anyhow to Konami...because they have already started NG project may be...if we create a wish list in april-june that will not help so much...imo we need a new thread for "Next Gen PES wishes" and if any moderator can assure that it will go to Konami then it will be great.otherwise the result will be zero.

 

[acillatem]

Pff... You are complete !! What features are missing that have been in this title last year or even year before + before release they told their costumers that such features as snow (which haven't been in the game for ages anyway), stadiums won't be in the game + poor/late roster updates like that have been for PES from beginning and they didn't promise to improve it this year!! After it all you buy this game anyway and then complain and say that they own you something - if you are a complete and buy a product that you didn't wanted in the first place, then it's your own fault and if you keep on doing it year after year then you simply are a masochist!!

By the way, have a nice day

good post i will add there was a demo to play still with all that info you bought the produt you can´t complain, someone wrote "Some people are satisfied with mediocrity" i say "to some the world is not enought" go and play fifa if you prefer and stop the negativity in this forum.

 

[araul]

hi guys. anyone else experiencing VERY long loafing tomes on online matches?? im on 360 and can be waiting up to 5 mins for a game to start after pressing kick off. Please answer. Pretend im jimmy g force.

 

[Ameppe]

I think, We should keep giving our thoughts and wishes for NG PES from now !! and send it anyhow to Konami...because they have already started NG project may be...if we create a wish list in april-june that will not help so much...imo we need a new thread for "Next Gen PES wishes" and if any moderator can assure that it will go to Konami then it will be great.otherwise the result will be zero.

I think it's best if we stop telling them what they have to do, i want to see what's their idea of football game
Feedback has only been dangerous for the series, it should only be used for fixing bugs.
Remember when they developed Iss pro 1,2, Pes 1-6? Well,they never had feedback from us back then.

 

[theaussie1]

That's very clear.

If people actually enjoy this yearly fuck about by Konami and are genuinely satisfied with the product they are paying good money for, then great. However, if you keep making excuses for Konami and accepting crap each year then guess what? More crap will come your way.

Konami need to do what EA did with NBA Live and take some time out with this franchise. It needs reworking from the ground up.

Completely agree!

I'm just hoping its not like PES 2008 again when they release their first game on next-gen.

 

[theaussie1]

I think it's best if we stop telling them what they have to do, i want to see what's their idea of football game
Feedback has only been dangerous for the series, it should only be used for fixing bugs.
Remember when they developed Iss pro 1,2, Pes 1-6? Well,they never had feedback from us back then.

I honestly don't think the series would have progressed, if it weren't for the feedback - both negative and positive.

They've built a good foundation to work on. That's a promising start, the only way is up from here(I hope) with the new Konami office in the UK, it can only help bridge the gap between the Eastern & Western market.

You just have to look at the other game to see how far it's progressed from where it was. I'm not saying the other game is better, they just listened to what people wanted and built off it,that's part of why it's so popular today.

 

[Lami]

After reading this thread since it's inception, I just had to post a little reminder,

The guys who've decided to stop playing this game, please do us and yourselves a favor and stop posting in this thread. You've already decided to part ways with it. Remember there are people still enjoying the game for what it is. They do know of the existing issues, surely as they're still playing they see and can't ignore them.

Your problems with the product has been noted. It's all over this thread mentioned more than enough really. They did not evaporate.

If your concern is the future of the product and want your feedback reaching the PES team then be active and productive when a feedback thread is opened and save all your energy and effort for it. There was one opened not long ago and some people did post their feedback which was collated and sent to the PES team. Hoping for the best.

Until then, please, pretty please, let the rest enjoy the game for whatever reason they have and discuss it in peace.

To the ones who are still playing this but unsatisfied over something and can't seem to find a solution, please ask here nicely. Someone will surely help you. Some people hit a hard wall but can find solutions themselves, while others may have less patience and get frustrated quicker. I understand this. But I only ask you to ask nicely in here without being overly aggressive and word your issues properly. Describe them. Elaborate on them so others can have a better assessment and help you accordingly.

Thanks.

 

[Northzzz]

After reading this thread since it's inception, I just had to post a little reminder,

The guys who've decided to stop playing this game, please do us and yourselves a favor and stop posting in this thread. You've already decided to part ways with it. Remember there are people still enjoying the game for what it is. They do know of the existing issues, surely as they're still playing they see and can't ignore them.

Your problems with the product has been noted. It's all over this thread mentioned more than enough really. They did not evaporate.

If your concern is the future of the product and want your feedback reaching the PES team then be active and productive when a feedback thread is opened and save all your energy and effort for it. There was one opened not long ago and some people did post their feedback which was collated and sent to the PES team. Hoping for the best.

Until then, please, pretty please, let the rest enjoy the game for whatever reason they have and discuss it in peace.

To the ones who are still playing this but unsatisfied over something and can't seem to find a solution, please ask here nicely. Someone will surely help you. Some people hit a hard wall but can find solutions themselves, while others may have less patience and get frustrated quicker. I understand this. But I only ask you to ask nicely in here without being overly aggressive and word your issues properly. Describe them. Elaborate on them so others can have a better assessment and help you accordingly.

Thanks.

The problems of PES 2014 will remain a contentious issue but I will accept your decision because it's probably true that the negativity is threatening to spiral out of control. For one, I have little left to say on the matter now (as you've pointed out).

As a matter of reflection though, I've been here for a few years now and I know that the series has always had nay-sayers and negative viewpoints but it's also had a lot of positivity to counter-balance things. One of the things that stands out to me this year is that the positivity-factor is much smaller than usual. Jimmy G Force usually accounts for something like 70% of that. Somebody else needs to step up to the man's plate.

 

[Schwarzenbeck]

My personal opinion is that through balls should not even be a seperate function. they are simply passes into space. I would love to see a game be brave and remove the mechanic completely relying on the players passing ability or maybe even some sort of subtle modifier button instead. but that's a different discussion for a different day.

But it is an important discussion.

I know it's not going to happen, but I would love them to split their team in half, have one part churn out a regular version based on this year's for next October and have the other, more talented half lock themselves up in a room for a year or two, throw everything away and start from scratch. It's the right time – new engine, new hardware generation – and if they don't do it, I am convinced, this series will fade to oblivion sooner or later.

Yes, it currently does a lot of things well – animations, passing, ball physics, game situation variety – but too much of it is based on a fundament that has aged and should be put to rest. Though we have gazillion times more of the hard- and software power that we had ten years ago, we still need to use bloody 'super cancel' to make our players stop chasing a ball that is obviously passing the side line before they will reach it. Should a PS4 not be capable of calculating this for us? Is it not absurd that, after 13 years and three generations of hardware upgrades, my player still refuses to run towards a ball that is too short?

Likewise, modern hardware and controllers have the power and granularity to process and display an infinitesimal amount of speed variations, not just 'dash', 'jog' and 'stand still'. This binary stuff was maybe acceptable during the PS1 era, but now we are three generations ahead, for crying out loud.

Have them rethink the control system. As robbieryan said: passes, shots, crosses are all a result of the same thing: a human leg kicking a ball. So do we really need three buttons for all of it or is maybe just one that works contextually enough? How about putting the left foot on the left shoulder button and the right foot on the right, allowing me to actively/consciously pick the foot with which I want to pass/shoot/cross? Maybe it's a crap idea, but at least I try. Let's sit together with a programmer for a day and try out how it feels. Maybe it's the shit..

How about rethink the difficulty system? Do we need 5 levels when GTA has shown over the years that there is a way of having one setting that caters to a million different people. Who said it doesn't work for a football game?

And so on. The important thing is: you need the gut to throw your own holy grails over board and start questioning everything that you created. Remember: complacency brought you to where you are today.

 

[acillatem]

After reading this thread since it's inception, I just had to post a little reminder,

The guys who've decided to stop playing this game, please do us and yourselves a favor and stop posting in this thread. You've already decided to part ways with it. Remember there are people still enjoying the game for what it is. They do know of the existing issues, surely as they're still playing they see and can't ignore them.

Your problems with the product has been noted. It's all over this thread mentioned more than enough really. They did not evaporate.

If your concern is the future of the product and want your feedback reaching the PES team then be active and productive when a feedback thread is opened and save all your energy and effort for it. There was one opened not long ago and some people did post their feedback which was collated and sent to the PES team. Hoping for the best.

Until then, please, pretty please, let the rest enjoy the game for whatever reason they have and discuss it in peace.

To the ones who are still playing this but unsatisfied over something and can't seem to find a solution, please ask here nicely. Someone will surely help you. Some people hit a hard wall but can find solutions themselves, while others may have less patience and get frustrated quicker. I understand this. But I only ask you to ask nicely in here without being overly aggressive and word your issues properly. Describe them. Elaborate on them so others can have a better assessment and help you accordingly.

Thanks.

thanks

 

[Thespeedster84]

But it is an important discussion.

I know it's not going to happen, but I would love them to split their team in half, have one part churn out a regular version based on this year's for next October and have the other, more talented half lock themselves up in a room for a year or two, throw everything away and start from scratch. It's the right time – new engine, new hardware generation – and if they don't do it, I am convinced, this series will fade to oblivion sooner or later.

Yes, it currently does a lot of things well – animations, passing, ball physics, game situation variety – but too much of it is based on a fundament that has aged and should be put to rest. Though we have gazillion times more of the hard- and software power that we had ten years ago, we still need to use bloody 'super cancel' to make our players stop chasing a ball that is obviously passing the side line before they will reach it. Should a PS4 not be capable of calculating this for us? Is it not absurd that, after 13 years and three generations of hardware upgrades, my player still refuses to run towards a ball that is too short?

Likewise, modern hardware and controllers have the power and granularity to process and display an infinitesimal amount of speed variations, not just 'dash', 'jog' and 'stand still'. This binary stuff was maybe acceptable during the PS1 era, but now we are three generations ahead, for crying out loud.

Have them rethink the control system. As robbieryan said: passes, shots, crosses are all a result of the same thing: a human leg kicking a ball. So do we really need three buttons for all of it or is maybe just one that works contextually enough? How about putting the left foot on the left shoulder button and the right foot on the right, allowing me to actively/consciously pick the foot with which I want to pass/shoot/cross? Maybe it's a crap idea, but at least I try. Let's sit together with a programmer for a day and try out how it feels. Maybe it's the shit..

How about rethink the difficulty system? Do we need 5 levels when GTA has shown over the years that there is a way of having one setting that caters to a million different people. Who said it doesn't work for a football game?

And so on. The important thing is: you need the gut to throw your own holy grails over board and start questioning everything that you created. Remember: complacency brought you to where you are today.

yeah, sometimes i am thinking why we need through ball button. I can understand lob one.

Many thing still don't understand. Especially, manual pass againts player stats for passing.

 

[_anderson]

Oh cmon, I'd like to still post my ocasional moan here :p

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

I'd like to see the through pass button completely removed. When I used to play the 'other' game, I just set through-pass to be a completely manual button. It made passes into space much more difficult and satisfying to pull off. In the case of PES, removing the button as a function separate from a regular pass might encourage Konami to programme an AI that doesn't so heavily rely on it.

 

[Northzzz]

I'd like to see the through pass button completely removed. When I used to play the 'other' game, I just set through-pass to be a completely manual button. It made passes into space much more difficult and satisfying to pull off. In the case of PES, removing the button as a function separate from a regular pass might encourage Konami to programme an AI that doesn't so heavily rely on it.

Can't you use manual passing (zero assist) to get the same effect?

 

[sonoman]

Re: PES 2014 Discussion Thread (NO PIRACY TALK, YOU WILL GET BANNED!)

i guess i can say goodbye to my social life now..

Spoiler

after over 2 months of this picture, the difference is abysmal.

GTA V is one of the best games ever created: has nearly perfect controls, a lot of content and stunning visuals. The online mode could be better but it's pretty impressive for their first real attempt at it.

PES 2014 is the most dull, boring, soul less footie game i've ever played.
This truly saddens me since i've always been a PES fan. I was blindly hoping the datapack or update would solve some of the inherent issues but it was too much of a harm done to be ammended by some updates.
I hate playing nearly every match in the same stadium, lack of options, rain, cutscenes (even if most of the people hated them), lack of depth in football life modes, lack of stamina system (i played almost a whole season of ML campaign using the same 11 with no stamina problems), etc, etc

End of rant