Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Completely agree.
PES 2014 Discussion Thread
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Completely agree.
yasujiro
FUMA player
Last two days I'm playing Winning Eleven 2014 Japanese version 1.05 with TV settings 576p and I'm enjoying the old PS2 look. Anyone tried these TV settings?
Totally agree. I plugged my ps2 back in a little while ago (it was sitting around collecting dust) and played pes 3 to 6 expecting to have great fun due to the fond memories... boy was I disappointed! I considered 5 to be the pick of the series but even that was waay too fast and just felt like it was on rails or something.
I can only conclude that most people talk about how good the ps2 games are/were without even having played them since they were released.
Strange thing is though I also found a copy of ISS Pro Evolution 2 for the PS1 which I discovered worked in my PS3... now that still plays unbelievably well (once you get past the 8 directions)!!
ccshopland
Premier League
- 4 January 2011
Try and be brief guys.
Had PES on the PC and played quite a bit of it first up, but left it for a while whilst KONAMI worked on some of the problems.
Can I ask is it worth buying the PS3 version now, with all the updates and stuff that KONAMI have supposedly fixed. Whilst I like my PC version nothing quite beats playing it on the big tv.
So basically, what's the latest PS3 version like, game play, graphics etc etc? Thanks
Had PES on the PC and played quite a bit of it first up, but left it for a while whilst KONAMI worked on some of the problems.
Can I ask is it worth buying the PS3 version now, with all the updates and stuff that KONAMI have supposedly fixed. Whilst I like my PC version nothing quite beats playing it on the big tv.
So basically, what's the latest PS3 version like, game play, graphics etc etc? Thanks
NikoLiberty4
Premier League
Well, if I play PES 3 (the best of the series IMO) right now I still get amazed with some animations, with its pace and its recreation of individuality. This doesn't mean the game is perfect, but it had a "soul"*, if you want to call it that way.
*"Soul" probably means that Konami's vision of how a football game should be was perfectly translated to their product.
I didn't mean it to imply that so I do agree with you. If it were as simple as merely liking the older games people who were dissatisfied would just play them instead. I've definitely played enough PES 5 for two lifetimes at this point.
I do sort of think the game has put so many eggs into making itself look good on the surface this year and hasn't done much about the underneath parts which is always where the game shone hugely despite its graphics being worse than its competitor and the lack of licenses and all that jazz. I don't think realism should be a measurement of the enjoyment somebody gets from a game. It's all about depth of gameplay when it comes to keeping somebody hooked.
It's funny because I look at it from the other perspective. I think this PES is made for the instant-gratification generation. I was initially floored by it but then, a few weeks down the line, the shine wore off completely. It was only the newness that made the game seem special. As per my post above, playing the game more made it not seem less in-depth than I had initially thought.
Again, I do hope you're enjoying the game and all that. It is certainly not a bad game despite my criticisms.
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henrys hand
Premier League
- 2 September 2010
Played some more last night and found that playing on game speed -1 is better on xbox360. Gamespeed 0 is just too fast, especially the acceleration of the players is too big, making the game easier.
Now on -1 acceleration is toned down so that it isn't as easy to just outpace the CPU.
So now my ideal settings are: game speed -1, zero bar passing, everything as manual as possible except for shooting which I have on basic and top player difficulty.
Now on -1 acceleration is toned down so that it isn't as easy to just outpace the CPU.
So now my ideal settings are: game speed -1, zero bar passing, everything as manual as possible except for shooting which I have on basic and top player difficulty.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
But it's not a case of instant gratification, the majority on here have had the game since release day way back in September. How long do you give a game? I've recently completely given up on it because I just can't extract any fun from the game whatsoever. I find it predictable and dull, and just like Northz says, it's a game that initially seems amazing but scratch under the surface and the gloss wears off. The game has no character, no sense of unpredictability, and frankly this is the only game series I could possibly still be playing way into November and not enjoying it, feeling there must be some PES magic in there.
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Robbery
stay cool its a Robbery
I still think the game has a lot of potential but the basics are not very good this year. For example:
- shooting (basic setting) isn't very exiting. long shots needs more power, more variation, less accurateness. R2 shots from outside the box are soooo weak, without any power. Shots in the box are a little bit lofty. Overall shooting is ok at a max but no that much fun.
- height through balls (basic settings) are way to scripted /automated and every player can land them perfectly - even CB like van Buyten. Individuality doesn't matter if it comes to height through balls. You can play them with close eyes and that doesn't make so much fun.
- goalkeepers are still to strong at long shots. Most of the time you have to reach the box to score. And that doesn't make so much fun.
Just this 3 basic points are so important in a football game. If you have no (or not that much) fun scoring a goal or playing a brilliant pass you will never fall in love with this game.
Beside that the AI is very questionable this year. They can't score from corner kicks, after the patch they put pressure on you like crazy (on topplayer) and they tend to attack the near post way to often and of course they try to reach the box on almost every attack.
But i think with better (through ball) passing, shooting, a little bit more space (less pressure) and goalkeepers the game would be much more fun to play.
- shooting (basic setting) isn't very exiting. long shots needs more power, more variation, less accurateness. R2 shots from outside the box are soooo weak, without any power. Shots in the box are a little bit lofty. Overall shooting is ok at a max but no that much fun.
- height through balls (basic settings) are way to scripted /automated and every player can land them perfectly - even CB like van Buyten. Individuality doesn't matter if it comes to height through balls. You can play them with close eyes and that doesn't make so much fun.
- goalkeepers are still to strong at long shots. Most of the time you have to reach the box to score. And that doesn't make so much fun.
Just this 3 basic points are so important in a football game. If you have no (or not that much) fun scoring a goal or playing a brilliant pass you will never fall in love with this game.
Beside that the AI is very questionable this year. They can't score from corner kicks, after the patch they put pressure on you like crazy (on topplayer) and they tend to attack the near post way to often and of course they try to reach the box on almost every attack.
But i think with better (through ball) passing, shooting, a little bit more space (less pressure) and goalkeepers the game would be much more fun to play.
reinelt97
League 1
- 29 September 2007
That's basically the whole game! Not exactly a great inditement of the game is it?
Robbery
stay cool its a Robbery
You're right but i don't think it's the whole game. Pressure was ok before the patch arrived. So that shouldn't be the problem to correct.
Goalkeepers and shooting depend on each other. They need to find a better balance between long range shots (with more power and better accuracy if the shot is technically a good one and the player is a good shooter) and less superior goalkeeper reaction. That must be possible. R2 Shots with more power should be possible too.
The through ball, i don't know. This could be the biggest problem because it seems that stats doesn't matter at all. I don't know if this is fixable.
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A lot of people here owe an apology to those of us that anticipated these defects by watching videos before the game was launched. Granted, some critics were nonsense, but others completely spot on remarks were completely disregarded. Next year, it will be up to you to discern which people know their stuff.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I don't know where Konami go from here. I wonder if PES2015 will be a port over to the PS4/XB1/PC with some alterations to the current game? It won't be good enough if they do. It needs a rebuild from the ground up.
They need to escape this feeling that the game is somehow still a variant on the old engine, AI needs a drastic overhaul, graphics will need a huge step up and they're gonna need to learn how to develop perfectly for all three formats.
They also need to revamp its general presentation, make it more modern, improve editing, redo commentary from the ground up, and sort out this stadium situation. But they don't have time to do all of this by next year.
They need to escape this feeling that the game is somehow still a variant on the old engine, AI needs a drastic overhaul, graphics will need a huge step up and they're gonna need to learn how to develop perfectly for all three formats.
They also need to revamp its general presentation, make it more modern, improve editing, redo commentary from the ground up, and sort out this stadium situation. But they don't have time to do all of this by next year.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Completely agree with that last paragraph.
See this article:
http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/87014/PES+2014%3A+%22We+could+lose+every+fan+we%27ve+ever+had%22/
The only reason they didn't port it to next generation console is because they didn't have enough time to make a 'proper' one. They even said that the whole revamp with its new engine would lose that 'pes feeling' and Konami even admitted that they "could lose every fan" with its change.
I'm not expecting Konami to deliver what FIFA has in terms of content, the least i'm expecting is Konami matching the maximum content we had in previous PES; i'm not expecting any miracles with the presentation though. It's a next generation console with many many times the power of previous generation consoles; Graphics, Basic AI (more players competing for headers etc), and physics should be practically a guarantee; so I wouldn't be worried about that. PES 2015 is also the first PES the UK development team is actually co-developing with the japanese team.
I don't agree agree with it being somewhat a variant of the old engine. There is enough changes, for better or worst to justify that it is really is a new game. The dribbling mechanics was changed completely, it's alot better than last year for me; there is actual physics governing collisions + the ball and the player is finaly a saparate entity ;the AI is arguably worst than PES 2013, having not only a few similar problems with PES 2013 but with a whole new array of problems rarely seen in previous PES; the goalkeepers are just as bad, the most important thing is, it has problems completely different from PES 2013 and previous PES. They changed the control scheme abit; you can tell they are trying to place more emphasis on the right stick: physical battles and manually triggered off the ball movement and team combinations; it just didn't work out as planned.
NikoLiberty4
Premier League
They have an opportunity, only if they outsource a lot of content creation to other companies.
Konami can assign:
- Stadium creation to Chinese or Korean designers (they are pretty good and fast)
- UI/UX design to a third-party European studio (good design taste here)
- SFX, commentary scripts, chants to London Studio so it can start to be useful (WTF are they doing right now?)
- Online infraestructure to another third-party company
- Marketing/PR/Licensing business to another third-party company (European or North-American)
This way, PES Team in Tokyo have more time to focus on gameplay and Fox Engine implementation. Sure it costs a ton of money, but PES series is one of the few franchises which still make a profit). Also, there's hardly another way to fix current situation in a short span of time.
reinelt97
League 1
- 29 September 2007
Just a quick question while we're either not playing or not enjoying PES 2014 - which PES would you go back and play again?
I only ask as I NEED a PES on the go and really can't decide what to revisit.
I only ask as I NEED a PES on the go and really can't decide what to revisit.
read lots of stuff above. Just some thoughts.
I think there is some depth left in this year's version, I'm still learning how to make full use of the Right stick, that to me at least is a completely new learning curve. The dribbling is different too, that to me is another learning curve.
As for shooting, I am starting to think there is more to it because of this goal I just scored, which I have never done before:
http://youtu.be/oUQGxEGKzHQ
Question to whether if there is more depth than in previous versions? Its a new engine and possibly a new approach to footy games, I reserve my conclusion. Maybe in another few months I will say its crap? maybe not.
Moreover, if there are more gameplay patches in future, there could be more re-learning, which I'm doing now. In addition I'm no longer a teenager like yesteryear who can afford plenty of time to play a game.
I think there is some depth left in this year's version, I'm still learning how to make full use of the Right stick, that to me at least is a completely new learning curve. The dribbling is different too, that to me is another learning curve.
As for shooting, I am starting to think there is more to it because of this goal I just scored, which I have never done before:
http://youtu.be/oUQGxEGKzHQ
Question to whether if there is more depth than in previous versions? Its a new engine and possibly a new approach to footy games, I reserve my conclusion. Maybe in another few months I will say its crap? maybe not.
Moreover, if there are more gameplay patches in future, there could be more re-learning, which I'm doing now. In addition I'm no longer a teenager like yesteryear who can afford plenty of time to play a game.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
Konami should just fucking not bother. sick and tired of them wasting licences and opprtunitt to make a footy game.
Give the rights to an indie dev or 2k sports.
Give the rights to an indie dev or 2k sports.
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
Current animation and physic is closely working with Havok, me think. Ireland based studio ?
jamiee
League 1
PC is super smooth.PS3 is better now but still is not as smooth as PC .
Also quality of players in ps3 is better pc has more spammers.
one advantange on ps3 is there is anti cheat mechanism but not on pc so your choice
I started playing PES 6 for this reason, and enjoy it a lot, but then I tried PES 2013 with the Jenkey gameplay tool, and enjoyed that even more. With the PesGalaxy patch (with this season's teams), it should be fine.
snowymydog
Non-League
- 25 November 2013
I just wonder, why the hell Konami changed the controls every single year? Are we talking about the learning curve? We are all playing this game for over 10 years, why we still need to "LEARN" the control every year.
In the past, they only change the tricks every year, but now they are addicted to change everything.
God, there are whole lot of things waiting to fix. Why waste time on designing a new control system every year. If you have time, rework the goal keeper.
Facts told us, "potential" "next year" is all shit. They'll break the good things next year, and let the broken things untouched.
Why FIFA getting better & better? Anything that is working, they don't "fix" it.
When FIFA stepped into this gen and introducing the new engine, they were facing a simular situation like PES today. FIFA 08 is just a passing game, no indivduality, lack of game modes, game balance have some problem. FIFA 09 had over a 100 of bugs that EA only can fix a small part. And then they improves 1 by 1. Once they completed something, they don't "fix" it again. Maybe some little tweak, but never broke anything that's working fine. That is FIFA's successful formula.
No need to argue, they stole the property of PES. PES is the father of modern football games. PES defines what a football game should be. Anyone who refuses to follow the rules must fail. I can't count how many football games were punished in the past 20 years. Will Konami be the next one? If Konami wants to survive in this match. He must do something. PES needs a blue print of the future. Stop introducing new controls. Re-do the whole AI, it's really bad right now. Re-do the keeper, it's unacceptable. Do everything you can to fix it. Stop introducing new system like "heart" before you fix the AI. Stop introducing new FK system, stop, just stop and fix the most basic things.
ATM, if I have a chance to combine PES and FIFA into 1 football game. It will be 80% of FIFA & 20% of PES. I wish after 3 years, it will be 50/50.
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well you have points there. Y did they change? Well according to some interviews I remember, they are recreating the game because they don't believe PES 2013 and even earlier versions don't resemble their "vision" of football.
So lets take a seat back and think for a second. What is their "vision"? that is what I think why we have so many diverse opinions here on the forums. Some agree with Konami's current vision and enjoy the game, some don't and don't enjoy the game. Is it that simple?
Football is played so many different ways...if you seen how Football has evolved and even now with so many styles...EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga all play different styles and each has their own Strengths. Same goes for national teams...same goes for everywhere else like Asia. Do you remember when the World Cup was held in Japan & South Korea and how the latter beat all the odds and went to the semi-finals? They had a dutch coach, imbused a new philisophy never seen for Asian national teams.
and these Philisophies CHANGE, it has, it will now and it will in the future. so if Konami and even Fifa changes. In fact I read somewhere FiFA is going to be revamped for NG.
So lets take a seat back and think for a second. What is their "vision"? that is what I think why we have so many diverse opinions here on the forums. Some agree with Konami's current vision and enjoy the game, some don't and don't enjoy the game. Is it that simple?
Football is played so many different ways...if you seen how Football has evolved and even now with so many styles...EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga all play different styles and each has their own Strengths. Same goes for national teams...same goes for everywhere else like Asia. Do you remember when the World Cup was held in Japan & South Korea and how the latter beat all the odds and went to the semi-finals? They had a dutch coach, imbused a new philisophy never seen for Asian national teams.
and these Philisophies CHANGE, it has, it will now and it will in the future. so if Konami and even Fifa changes. In fact I read somewhere FiFA is going to be revamped for NG.
zeemeister
foxy engine
This I do not agree with. Surely you cant negate all the good konami have done and continue to do?
I can see Adam Bhatti in march/april 2014 saying PES 2015 will be the proper next-gen title and by that time allot of people wont even bother anymore. I have noticed I have been lurking more on the FIFA forums on this website. It's just because I don' care anymore. I am the sucker now believing they will change year after year. Gotta use my brains more.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
I also think Konami should stop trying.
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TheWolf
Premier League
Putting the worst goalkeepers in any soccer title ever should be reason enough for them to quit. Even if the rest of the game was perfect, what's the point if any shot from 12 yards from any angle, hit at any strength goes in 99% of the time? I've quit the game completely. The lag was one thing but trying to play the CPU or friends and working hard only to have what equates to having a kitten or 18-month old child in goal is a joke.
F Konami. They screwed us all over this year. An unfinished game which months later is still Unfinished. Pathetic.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
If KONAMI stops trying we will have just have one football game,this is awful for the competition and customers (except if 2k or some other developers try to develop a new football series)
I think KONAMI should not stop trying but should greatly improve their Pes developing scheme. The way they develop Pes is too similar to Ps2 days and this is really bad for a modern videogame software house.
They still have a little group of people developing the game and using way too much time to make simple tasks,too.
My only hope is the European Team.If they decide to make the developing team grow adding these European developers the game will obviously be better than it is now,but honestly if they don't do that,or limit the European Team to a mere cultural task Pes will quickly become irrilevant everywhere, Europe, America and Japan.
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