PES 2014 Discussion Thread

[Schwarzenbeck]

Yesterday i had a couple of very frustrating matches...
I was very enthousiastic about post patch PES2014...but yesterday i had very serious issues with player changing in defense... and this from the first game...strange...

In the weekend i must have played 20 matches and they were all fine...

It's strange, isn't it. You play and enjoy a string of matches where you feel in control and things feel balanced and it could go on like this, then along and out of no reason comes a bunch of games where everything goes wrong, your players don't react, every deflection goes to the opposition, you can't string two passes together, can't jump, can't run, your players move like in treacle, the ref interrupts every flow and the game feels 'fixed', almost like a boss fight.

In my case it's usually against lower ranked teams which suddenly play well out of their league, chasing you all over the pitch, outrunning you left and right, doing the silly pull-shimmie and hitting pixel-perfect lobs while I can't even select the defender who is running right next to the ball...

I don't get the thinking behind it.. It's just very random and frustrating.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

maybe just bad programming? not give a fuck-ing? or some far eastern fetish(no offence)

 

[yasujiro]

Yesterday i had a couple of very frustrating matches...
I was very enthousiastic about post patch PES2014...but yesterday i had very serious issues with player changing in defense... and this from the first game...strange...

In the weekend i must have played 20 matches and they were all fine...

Maybe players had 'FIFA virus' after this week international matches ...

 

[MadbaLL]

what is that new patch that was released today for japanese version, WE 2014?

i read this info at pesedit forums.

 

[superleeds1]

maybe just bad programming? not give a fuck-ing? or some far eastern fetish(no offence)

Just tone down Your posts a bit mate, less effing and suchlike.
And why post "no offence" after anything you have said, perhaps its better left unsaid in the first instance?

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

right, spending too much time on what i dont like isnt that healthy either, should focus on something else

 

[sgmullins]

I'll be honest, i played fifa 14 against my nephew last night and we had some good matches. Keepers are just so much better than pes keepers. Some of the goals were ok but never left you with that wow feeling that pes does.

The games ran lovely and fluid too. Obviously now i have sold pes 2014 , i will play fifa 14 until next year when pes 2015 comes out.
I won't be buying it from day one though, i'll wait a month or so to see how things turn out for it.

It's just strange how so many are not having the slowdown problems and i am. Gutted really as when pes 2014 plays well, it's great.

 

[Suarez75]

Strange, I find every thing you said there to be not true.

Of course you do.

Because of course there's nothing wrong with this game at all, well according to a fair few on here. I'm not sure what game you are playing but it's not Pes 2014. That game is broken and unfinished in so many ways.

 

[Suarez75]

I agree with you. Far too much negativety. I almost get depressed!
What you said about line-ups is true. I played the other day with River Plate and they have an unusual line-up. It played surprisingly good, compared with the 'normal' line-ups.

If people took the time to experimenting with strategy and tactics, they never would say PES is all the same gameplay. It's not!

Listen, negativity is good. This negativity is not a new thing, its been slowly building like a volcano over the last several years. Its the pinnacle of cock up.

Every year has been the same, the game will excel in certain areas and fail in others, then next year vice versa, then next year something else.

They never NAIL it. They have no direction, no organisation and no plan, i mean even that Bhatti fella, why employ him, will he make the game better or is he just there in the frontline to take the flak?

I understand that there's promise in this game, because there is glimpses of something good, but that doesn't mean they should have released the damn thing! If they were serious they would have put off the release date and afforded more development with the new engine and physics. I don't think anyone would mind if they released it a year or two later but fully playable with minimal bugs.

Im not saying people are liars but i will say people really go overboard with their praise on what is a broken game, that came to us sold as broken and only recently part fixed two and a half months after released.

Its just not good enough. Last year 13 was only playable because some community lads give up their time to produce gameplay tools and patches to make the game worthwhile. Its shocking.

 

[Suarez75]

I've flirted with FIFA alongside PES 2014 this year and although FIFA doesn't have the clusterlove of issues that PES has, it's still soulless to the core. PES still has a feeling about it even above and beyond the quadriplegic goalkeepers. I still think PES 6/2007 is the best footy game of all time followed by WE9LE but I'd put 2014 next on the list. If a patch fixed the gk's I'd be happier than a pervert at the zoo after hours.

You see that's just bollocks mate i'm sorry. Don't play fifa online, play it off, set custom sliders and stick it on manual controls, edit some team tactics for variety and tell me its souless? its far better than what pes offers.

And don't say you shouldn't edit custom tactics slots on fifa because the amount of editing you have to do with pes year on year outstrips it by miles.

I'm convinced most players who diss fifa do so with a pre conceived notion from yesteryear, rather than giving the game a good shot.

 

[Daisuk]

On a positive note - I played PES6 straight out of the box last night, and enjoyed it immensely! What a well-balanced game. Incredibly fun to play. I urge everyone pissed off with PES 2014 to give PES 6 another go, it is truly a classic.

 

[ziagg]

I've been lurking this thread for the past weeks then and again, and I really think that in the end we all know that we have to vote with our wallets. I believe that at the end of the day this is the only language a lot of companies really understand.

As long as we keep buying and pre-ordering we are giving them the OK to keep doing what they're doing.

It's a matter of taste as well of course, for some certain things are deal breakers, while other players can put up with it. For me personally this year there won't be a new PES because I know I won't be happy with it.

 

[superleeds1]

You see that's just bollocks mate i'm sorry. Don't play fifa online, play it off, set custom sliders and stick it on manual controls, edit some team tactics for variety and tell me its souless? its far better than what pes offers.

And don't say you shouldn't edit custom tactics slots on fifa because the amount of editing you have to do with pes year on year outstrips it by miles.

I'm convinced most players who diss fifa do so with a pre conceived notion from yesteryear, rather than giving the game a good shot.

What is actually bollocks is hijacking a pes2014 discussion thread with FIFA talk.
So if you like FIFA, go to the thread and talk there ,but don't engage conversations about it in this thread.

 

[TheWolf]

You see that's just bollocks mate i'm sorry. Don't play fifa online, play it off, set custom sliders and stick it on manual controls, edit some team tactics for variety and tell me its souless? its far better than what pes offers.

And don't say you shouldn't edit custom tactics slots on fifa because the amount of editing you have to do with pes year on year outstrips it by miles.

I'm convinced most players who diss fifa do so with a pre conceived notion from yesteryear, rather than giving the game a good shot.

I paid $65 for FIFA alongside getting PES for this year so I'm definitely open to both. I play equal amounts probably on each. Fifa's depth is awesome but PES for me pulls at my heart strings more than FIFA.

Anyway, don't want to make this FIFA vs PES but you have to have some relativity sometimes to see the evolution of a title.

We'll all be watching what next gen PES does for sure otherwise we'll be shitting outside Konami's hq and burning the building down!

 

[Rob92]

What is actually bollocks is hijacking a pes2014 discussion thread with FIFA talk.
So if you like FIFA, go to the thread and talk there ,but don't engage conversations about it in this thread.

I think this type of rule is ridiculous and unnecessary.

As long as the discussions can be had in a reasonable and constructive way, or just the odd suggestion to give FIFA a go with certain settings... Then I see no problem.

Do you really think the people in this thread are too childish to discuss things properly?... The immature ones can show blind brand loyalty and turn it into "FIFA shit LOL" but that is very rare here...
The two topics are very much related as they are the only two football titles on the market - contrasting and comparing, discussing what's done better on each title etc is worth talking about, to say that any FIFA talk is "hijacking the thread" is crazy.

 

[Enlil]

Those who say there is to much negativity don't understand that allot of people had been waiting 7 years for a proper PES. I think they have the right to complain after all these lies. The reason they are comparing it to FIFA is because there aint no other game out there to compare it to. FIFA is doing a better job, that's a fact. does that make it a better game? no. Everyone it's own taste.

 

[shilamounainai]

I agree with you. Far too much negativety. I almost get depressed!
What you said about line-ups is true. I played the other day with River Plate and they have an unusual line-up. It played surprisingly good, compared with the 'normal' line-ups.

If people took the time to experimenting with strategy and tactics, they never would say PES is all the same gameplay. It's not!

hi Han yes river plate its a good team! i really like the team individuality in pes 2014 is brilliant! konami managed to replicate how each different football school is playing on the pitch really fanatastic stuff. im not saying the game is perfect still a lot work must be done but again i really like where they are going with this.

Also Han give a go with Urawa Red Diamonds, Sanfrecce Hiroshima and jeonbuk hyundai motors if you want a different and unique playstyle those teams deliver!

thanks and sorry for my english

 

[Lostlam]

Whoever has WE 2014, could you detail what the new patch adds?

 

[Suarez75]

What is actually bollocks is hijacking a pes2014 discussion thread with FIFA talk.
So if you like FIFA, go to the thread and talk there ,but don't engage conversations about it in this thread.

Excuse me Mr moderator but I'm responding to a previous post that mentioned Fifa. What you want me to do not mention it? Its relevant.

 

[sportyfox]

Whoever has WE 2014, could you detail what the new patch adds?

Don't have it but hope it'll get rid of the stupid easily executed lob shots and rainbow flicks!!

 

[Lostlam]

Don't have it but hope it'll get rid of the stupid easily executed lob shots and rainbow flicks!!

By the sounds of it, it is only sorting mode issues and not gameplay per se, such as Team lobby cameras, etc.

 

[genesee]

whoever got WE 2014 please confirm that PES 2014 with new patch plays just like We 2014. There should not be any difference between them.

 

[genesee]

Iv played over 50 games now since new patch, and I'm convinced now for me THE KING IS BACK. This game is fkn brilliant still a few minor niggles that need sorting out apart from that I'm fully hooked, first time in a long time cannot get off this game.

PS3? Did you installed the game to HDD or playing from the disc? Do you have patch and other data installed as well?

 

[Han]

hi Han yes river plate its a good team! i really like the team individuality in pes 2014 is brilliant! konami managed to replicate how each different football school is playing on the pitch really fanatastic stuff. im not saying the game is perfect still a lot work must be done but again i really like where they are going with this.

Also Han give a go with Urawa Red Diamonds, Sanfrecce Hiroshima and jeonbuk hyundai motors if you want a different and unique playstyle those teams deliver!

thanks and sorry for my english

I will try those teams

 

[temporaomores]

Regarding what Suarez75 wrote, I have to agree with some points he does make.

If I sound negative, sorry.

I will not consider myself as hardcore fan of one game or another.

I believe the true battle will emerge on Next-Gens. Despite the slack "other title" gets in this thread, I feel it's worth mentioning at least that. Forget about Current-Gen version of the game. It's better by a fair margin.

Here is my concern. Why didn't KONAMI do what EA Sports once did with NBA Elite? Postpone the game release for few years. I mean NBA Elite got massive stick in the arse from NBA fans after Bynum bug (go search youtube for it. It's hilarious!).

I doubt any PES fan would doubt this decision after 7 years of constantly delivering subpar product. Sure the games could offer fun for some time, but you can't deny they were broken in one area or the other never to get fixed in later iteration (same bug fixed in previous game with final patch will reappear with new game?! HELLO?!).

The problem KONAMI might face now, with regards to PES 2014, is people distrust.

What do I mean? With NG football title appearing on the horizon, KONAMI, fumbled and royally screwed up. They offered people unfinished, unplayable (sadly, Master League/Online modes are stuck in the 90 or early 2000s!) for longer period of time with lack of longetivity possible. Just a mess. When you see hardcore database whining, it's not good sight.

If you didn't get my main point yet, people remember failures more than good things. Even if KONAMI produces World Class game next year, with unbeatable gameplay, I can still see KONAMI and PES sales dwindling in favor of EA title.

You need to realize, people don't seek gameplay alone in games nowadays. They are greedy bunch. The more the game offers on and off the pitch, the better.

Look, even games meant for hardcore fans, get changes done (SupCom 1 vs SupCom 2 :/).

I will say, after 100 games on PES 2014, I have no urge to touch it even again. Formations? Custom Gameplans? Sorry, but even if u change those, game can still play exactly the same like you didnt make those changes.

Try constant pressuring them. The tackling is easy, double teaming is working 99% of times.

Plus there is another thing PES players often point out. Interia.

I can say, essays can be written about this, I swear. I don't know if you played modern football on modern or not, but times changed a lot since PES 6.

New accessories are v. light, balls are awesome, the whole gear weights a feather.

I, myself being 194cm tall, weighting 89kg, can easily make turns on pitch, trying to mimic Messi/Ibrahimovic and the likes (being pretty solid GK for my club, but like to do some crazy things sometimes ). There is absolutely NO DUMPING down feeling you get on PES or mud like feeling. AT ALL.

Twists and turns are pretty easy if I dare to say so (and here is my praise to FIFA 14 NG, they have it got almost spot on, played it at media center 2 days ago - having touched FIFA at all since 96).

On PES 2014, I wouldn't call interia realistic. It's like they were basing this on 90s early 2000s, again...

The recommended action for KONAMI and PES to take is: Invest money in the title.

Do more motion-animation capturing. Including keepers/defenders/passing/shooting/running/walking!.

Add the frigging walk to the game! It's basic, but missing. If you watch TV matches you can see players taking breather with walking. Dictate tempo
with... Walking waiting for players to move into positions. Option still missing in PES! In 2013 it's ridiculous omission... To not have analogue input in game.

Make sprint speed variable with triggers. So you have jog-slow sprint-mid sprint-full pelt available. See, no need to double tap R1. Put sprint on R2. Using analogue capabilities of triggers. Simple and effective.

To appeal to fans, make option to update squads with real rosters available to be downloaded from net. With current rating changes. NBA 2k does that every week... (not that I agree with this, as without dynamic changes in career mode implemented, this is useless).

Update the LOD. Seriously, this game could look SO MUCH BETTER. Look at boot details from close range, it's shockingly bad and heavily pixelated. Same thing can be seen when team presentation is ongoing and players come out from the tunnel (Old Trafford).

Make graphic more candy like. Upgrade color palette. People prefer American visual style system. (to get what I mean, compare Arcania Gothic 4 USA vs EU version).

Add options for Advanced graphics settings - this is PC option only. Seriously, I don't get it. PC users are heavily handicapped by KONAMI and held back with lack of customization options. (did I mention, no custom chants?! or DLC stadiums...).

That's it for now. If I seem negative or you want to laugh my post off, please do spare your time. I know PES 2014 has glimpses of football there, but the problem I see is, is KONAMI and PES Team capable to deliver on next level? Open mind thinking? Think outside the box? (sadly speaking they were liars when they said Stadium Editor was prohibited by EA - it wasn't just programmed in, in time. Just like Spanish stadiums weren't converted using FOX Engine. This can be clearly seen with faces made from DLC 2.0. You can easily recognize faces made from SCRATCH on FOX and the ones ported from PES 2013...).

Shabby work. But I will repeat my point again: PEOPLE REMEMBER FAILURES AND ARE DISTRUSTFUL TOWARDS COMPANIES WHO MAKE THEM.

I don't want to get banned tho for stating my opinion and mine alone.

@Ipswich69

Regarding one of your posts, when you said, spammers like info0 will be banned by moderators, care to elaborate? I found that user comments valid, even when they were over the top or repeated (I guess annoyed some people with repetitiveness), but banning users for that? (You can see Banned underneath the name after all) - if it's permanent, sorry, but that's just cruel. Being a mod myself on few forums, I would never ban user for such thing, not when he didn't a) insult anyone, b) didn't threat anyone c) was just a plain troll. Ignore and move on. Maybe I am lenient or something, but respected regardless .

 

[superleeds1]

Hey no one gets banned for stating opinion,and that's a good if long post You have made, especially re lack of trust for next release.
I certainly will not be taking the plunge with a pre order next time,I will wait and decide especially after the way customers have been treated.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Rob 92 is a credit to this forum, certainly not a trouble-maker or wind-up merchant. Very knowledgable, knows football inside out, and is certainly one of my absolute favourite posters. Articulate and backs up his points and views with true and accurate football technical breakdowns.

Just sayin'

 

[Thespeedster84]

You see that's just bollocks mate i'm sorry. Don't play fifa online, play it off, set custom sliders and stick it on manual controls, edit some team tactics for variety and tell me its souless? its far better than what pes offers.

And don't say you shouldn't edit custom tactics slots on fifa because the amount of editing you have to do with pes year on year outstrips it by miles.

I'm convinced most players who diss fifa do so with a pre conceived notion from yesteryear, rather than giving the game a good shot.

Lets see an example, i am playing with your recommendation, Must I Like the game ? How if people said they still don't prefer it because that is exactly what they feel. Are you going to call this people blind and has pre conceived notion ?

People who still regards PES 2014 is the Best PES in CG does not mean they don't have something to complain about PES or blind, it probably just fall under their playable limiit. People has choice not to follow rant army.

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

PS3? Did you installed the game to HDD or playing from the disc? Do you have patch and other data installed as well?

I started from scratch I saved all my edit data on a USB incase I was suffering from placebo. I then loaded the patch 1.02 after that I downloaded the data pack and then installed game data . I didn't install any modified patches cause it does effect gameplay for the worse, try that and see how u go, u will see how great the game plays. Still there's your minor glitches but no where near bad as before. As I have said in my previous posts I'm totally hooked and it's fkn great :-)

 

[ZeroTheHero]

That game is broken and unfinished in so many ways.

Do you even know the contextual meaning of "broken"?

Broken in this context means "incomplete" unless you mean it's physically broken in two or more pieces which is impossible since it's not a physical item. So, why you would run around saying "this game is incomplete and unfinished" is quite interesting... It's comparable to saying "I have a pain in my head and a headache" or "I have an ache in my tooth and a toothache" as if they were two separate things.

Spoiler

1. Forcibly separated into two or more pieces; fractured: a broken arm; broken glass.
2. Sundered by divorce, separation, or desertion of a parent or parents: children from broken homes; a broken marriage.
3. Having been violated: a broken promise.
4.
a. Incomplete: a broken set of books. (In this case Incomplete or lack of coding/fine tuning)
b. Being in a state of disarray; disordered: troops fleeing in broken ranks.
5.
a. Intermittently stopping and starting; discontinuous: a broken cable transmission.
b. Varying abruptly, as in pitch: broken sobs.
c. Spoken with gaps and errors: broken English.
6. Topographically rough; uneven: broken terrain.
7.
a. Subdued totally; humbled: a broken spirit.
b. Weakened and infirm: broken health.
8. Crushed by grief: died of a broken heart.
9. Financially ruined; bankrupt.
10. Not functioning; out of order: a broken washing machine.

1) The game may not be to your liking, but that doesn't mean it's "broken".

2) Have you ever played real life sports emulation that is actually any good? I haven't and I've played them all. So I am curious to which standards you compare this "broken" game to of all the other "broken" games that makes this one come out so bad in your opinion.


I have played sports games that have had a better outcome than footy games in general, but they weren't good but rather less bad. That being said, I've enjoyed footy games more as I like that sport better and in the end the game makes or breaks largely on how you choose to approach it.

Look at combat games for example, how real do you think a computer game can represent melee combat? Not in the slightest. A game like Dark Souls have a fairly good melee combat engine as it gives you a lot of possibilities to vary strategy and approach to the fight. I like it. However it's piss poor compared to real life combat re-enactment for example. A computer game may possibly render 10% of the real thing and that's about it. What I am saying is that you may have too high expectations to how lifelike a computer programmer can re-create a match with 22 individual football players and a bunch of rules some of which only the most interested fans know of. Not to mention that every single game is different in real life, so anyone saying "football is like this" is bound to be wrong to begin with. Football is different in different countries, and there are huge differences within each country. How many combinations of football do you think that adds up to?

Lastly, "broken" is not constructive or explaining in any way but I agree that it's a simple way to seem like you know a little something about something. I suspect you don't, like most of us. So a simple "I didn't like the game, better luck next time" would probably be better. It's not like Konami owe you to create exactly the game you wanted.

I personally think the game is "not great but interesting" so I am not among the fanbois myself.